When are Itachi and Pain gonna roll...??

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Its been almost 40 chapters since they were first shown as IWR'd bodies. Still no action. Why?

Its obvious that Itachi's MS powers have a huge role that they can potentially play, especially his illusion techniques. Its all about the timing as he mentions himself:
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'The technique user will use my illusion powers at the perfect moment.' What moment exactly does this refer to ? I think there is a hint in the title of the next chapter,'Madara's Strategy'. (Sorry if the Japaneese version is something else). In this chapter, we see a zetsu clone sneak into the Joint shinobi army's Medical unit's tent. Once revealed , he says others may very well have also snuck in undetected. The next 3 chapters are about Naruto trying to reach the battlefield. But we get a hint that Madara's battle strategy is in fact centred around the zetsu's infiltrating the camps and attacking the enemy while he sleeps.
Now, obviously Madara can't hope to win the war solely by this. The zetsus will have the advantage of surprise, but as we have seen they were'nt very strong in the open field, i.e in all probability the good guys will eventually beat them. So my guess is they're a diversionary tactic. The real battle starts after they are all finished, so basically when all zetsu clones(and by clones i mean the white ones) are killed off, then Itachi and Nagato will join the battlefront in whatever role they are to play.
The fact that this is Madara's original strategy vis a vis zetsu, can be seen from this page, where the shinobis rightly deduce his plot:
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As Kabuto was not originally a part of Madara's war game, it only makes sense that the IWR's of Itachi and Nagato serve a purpose that has to take place afterwards. See so far, the original Akatsuki war plan is going ahead as if Itachi and Nagato were'nt even there. This can only mean:
1. They are to be used after the original plan fails
2. They are'nt going to be used.
What they will be used for is more tricky. Its possible that Itachi, as being the only character to so far to use tsukiyomi, helps Madara with the Moon's eye plan in some way. However, i have a feeling that both he and Nagato might potentially serve as deterrents to Naruto and Killer bee. I mean, who better to capture the 8 and 9 tails then these 2? We have already seen Naruto in Kyuubi mode is not invincible, and there's a good chance that Pain might have beat him had the former not used his talk no jutsu at such an oppurtune time.
Thoughts?
 
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40 chapters...hmm...do you know how to countxd
still pein and itachi are trump cards and they will be shown in the battle before naruto and tobi..probably
 
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40 chapters...hmm...do you know how to countxd
still pein and itachi are trump cards and they will be shown in the battle before naruto and tobi..probably
Yes i do but i don't know if you know how to read. I said 'almost', meaning its approx. 40. But in fact its even more. 1st time they are shown:

So its been more like 54 chaptes, that proves my point even more.
 

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Yes i do but i don't know if you know how to read. I said 'almost', meaning its approx. 40. But in fact its even more. 1st time they are shown:

So its been more like 54 chaptes, that proves my point even more.
dude...that was a joke...no need to take it serious....and BTW approx means give or take max 2 but almost a gap of 14 chaps......well thanks for proving my point!!!
 

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dude...that was a joke...no need to take it serious....and BTW approx means give or take max 2 but almost a gap of 14 chaps......well thanks for proving my point!!!
Bullshit. Approx could be rounded off to a 100, a 1000 or even 1000000. It isnt really ****ing defined now is it? You still know what it means, so discuss the thread or gtfo
 

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Bullshit. Approx could be rounded off to a 100, a 1000 or even 1000000. It isnt really ****ing defined now is it? You still know what it means, so discuss the thread or gtfo
Owned!


But yeah on topic, I think that Kabuto has his own plans for these two. Maybe he will help naruto and tell him more about the gift he gave naruto so he can incorporate this gift with his new RM?
 
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Bullshit. Approx could be rounded off to a 100, a 1000 or even 1000000. It isnt really ****ing defined now is it? You still know what it means, so discuss the thread or gtfo
sorry for the late reply...and by the looks of it f*** is pretty much the only word in your vocabulary...hands off......and i was not planning on sticking around......and next time use search tool genius
 

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But yeah on topic, I think that Kabuto has his own plans for these two. Maybe he will help naruto and tell him more about the gift he gave naruto so he can incorporate this gift with his new RM?
That is actually a very important point. The gift is probably the most intriguing question in Naruto after why does Tobi wear his mask? I personally think it is'nt just coincidence that Itachi is resurrected and been shown just before Naruto comes into the war. Its possible he meets to help him with his power.
 

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I think you're on to something. The only drawback I see though is that Itachi and Nagato are under Kabuto's control, and I don't think he's under any inclination to help Madara unless his life is on the line, such as when he explained IWR. Even then I think he left stuff out and was not fully honest.

If Madara becomes the Juubi Jinchuuriki, I think he can regain his EMS if he's lost it. I think Kabuto needs Itachi and Nagato to protect himself from Madara. If Madara needs Itachi for Eternal Tsukiyomi, that's plausible. Further, it would be much more convenient to not have to sync Sasuke to Gedo Mazo if he can just use IWR Nagato given the apparent cost and the need to have Sasuke fight Naruto.

Just some random thoughts, but I see where you're going. There's no way in the manga issue the moon appeared around 5 times with Itachi, and there's no significance in my opinion.

Peace

dude...that was a joke...no need to take it serious....and BTW approx means give or take max 2 but almost a gap of 14 chaps......well thanks for proving my point!!!
The words "couple" or "few" refer to around the number 2. The word approximately is not directly associated with any number except the context of the sentence of the user, so I have no idea where you're getting this from other than the screw with the OP.

sorry for the late reply...and by the looks of it f*** is pretty much the only word in your vocabulary...hands off......and i was not planning on sticking around......and next time use search tool genius
He made a solid set of points and questions, which could not have been done if his post was filled with asterisks. Are you here to hate or actually ask something that has to do with the content of the OP, and not try to just nitpick the language.

The search tool has nothing to do with this, I'm quite active recently, and this is a novel theory/discussion, and not a retread.

Please either critically analyze his theory, and not try to focus on the minutia of his grammar, or move on so we can judge it on it's merits and not waste time on this. Thanks :hug:

Peace
 

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I think you're on to something. The only drawback I see though is that Itachi and Nagato are under Kabuto's control, and I don't think he's under any inclination to help Madara unless his life is on the line, such as when he explained IWR. Even then I think he left stuff out and was not fully honest.

If Madara becomes the Juubi Jinchuuriki, I think he can regain his EMS if he's lost it. I think Kabuto needs Itachi and Nagato to protect himself from Madara. If Madara needs Itachi for Eternal Tsukiyomi, that's plausible. Further, it would be much more convenient to not have to sync Sasuke to Gedo Mazo if he can just use IWR Nagato given the apparent cost and the need to have Sasuke fight Naruto.

Just some random thoughts, but I see where you're going. There's no way in the manga issue the moon appeared around 5 times with Itachi, and there's no significance in my opinion.

Peace



The words "couple" or "few" refer to around the number 2. The word approximately is not directly associated with any number except the context of the sentence of the user, so I have no idea where you're getting this from other than the screw with the OP.



He made a solid set of points and questions, which could not have been done if his post was filled with asterisks. Are you here to hate or actually ask something that has to do with the content of the OP, and not try to just nitpick the language.

The search tool has nothing to do with this, I'm quite active recently, and this is a novel theory/discussion, and not a retread.

Please either critically analyze his theory, and not try to focus on the minutia of his grammar, or move on so we can judge it on it's merits and not waste time on this. Thanks :hug:

Peace
Dammit, have to spread rep around before i can rep you for all that. You make solid points there, leafeater.
You're correct, Itachi and Nagato being under Kabuto's control does change the context of things here quite a bit. For starters, there's a very good chance that they don't further Madara's agenda like he would like as you mention. However, Madara has already seen Itachi and Nagato's summoned bodies, and i think through zetsu he knows whats been going on in the battlefield. He would know they have'nt fought anyone, and eventually he'll start getting suspicious. Nagato syncing with gedo mazo is likely, but probably only to extract a tailed beast from Naruto/Killer bee if that happens. Madara would need his own body strong enough to withstand the strength of playing host to the Juubi.
 

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I've been thinking about those two actually..there are many much awaited scenes on the war and that's one of them.
Pain and Itachi were Kabuto's strong prawns so probably they'll join the battle when Madara appears or before Naruto and Sasuke's fight. Well who knows..
 

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hey bruh! i feel you on the two best being out of action, i just cant wait! i love them both, and want to see how/who will defeat them!..
 

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hey bruh! i feel you on the two best being out of action, i just cant wait! i love them both, and want to see how/who will defeat them!..
Yeah man, i mean this thing has been eagerly anticipated for a while now.....i kinda think it'll be Naruto and Sasuke who eventually beat them, kinda like the ultimate showdown in a way actually. Nd yea, nice to see u around too, wats up though, you're not that active man??
 

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Dammit, have to spread rep around before i can rep you for all that. You make solid points there, leafeater.
You're correct, Itachi and Nagato being under Kabuto's control does change the context of things here quite a bit. For starters, there's a very good chance that they don't further Madara's agenda like he would like as you mention. However, Madara has already seen Itachi and Nagato's summoned bodies, and i think through zetsu he knows whats been going on in the battlefield. He would know they have'nt fought anyone, and eventually he'll start getting suspicious. Nagato syncing with gedo mazo is likely, but probably only to extract a tailed beast from Naruto/Killer bee if that happens. Madara would need his own body strong enough to withstand the strength of playing host to the Juubi.
My fear is that a scenario of Madara asking Kabuto to have Nagato sync with Gedo Mazo and on his command have Itachi use Tsukiyomi on the moon. Of course, this is then followed by the great betrayal when Madara is weak and in the middle of becoming the Juubi Jinchuuriki. That's what I'm afraid of.

I assume Madara's body is fine. He's currently a shell of his former self, and possibly no EMS, but if he becomes the Juubi Jinchuuriki like the So6P's did, he can become supra-human for his body like the Sage. I think what's more important is the strength of the seal than the body personally. If the seal is strong, the Juubi will invigorate Madara with its chakra; otherwise, it will consume him.

In fact, some wild speculations, I don't know if this has really been popularly speculated, but the final enemy may not even be Madara or Kabuto, but it may be the Juubi itself, which may be far more advanced than we realize and make the Kyuubi and Madara look like a joke possessing the most powerful doujutsu, chakra, and be sentient unlike other Bijou who were weak (ex. 3-tails) because they lacked human hosts, i.e. Jinchuuriki.

hey bruh! i feel you on the two best being out of action, i just cant wait! i love them both, and want to see how/who will defeat them!..
Personally, I'd like them to stick around for a while. These are two of the most interesting and knowledgeable people ever in the Narutoverse sitting around talking about the secrets of Akatsuki and who knows where their conversation could go. Perhaps it's best not to rush them to defeat yet? I'd love it if they had a Q&A, but I doubt they're on twitter or anything, lol. Still, them sitting on the dragon statue under the moon discussing things was an incredible image, savor it. They'll fight soon enough and return to the pure world.
 

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I think Naruto will find them & I think Itachi will tell Naruto the truth about the Uchiha massacre & that's when we'll find out the truth as well & I think it will be a little bit different than Madara's version that he told to Sasuke.
 

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I think Naruto will find them & I think Itachi will tell Naruto the truth about the Uchiha massacre & that's when we'll find out the truth as well & I think it will be a little bit different than Madara's version that he told to Sasuke.
I dnt think it would be any differnt from "Me n Madara kill our clan cuz of an order from the leaf" Danzo confirmed it, Itachi confirmed that he had Madaras help, Madara admitted to helping kill the Uchiha(HOW THE HELL HAS SASUKE NOT ACKNOWLEDGED THIS YET???), I dont think there can be much difference in the story that Itachi would tell
 
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