Masashi Kishimoto contradicting Naruto's original Character

[Jack Spicer]

This is character growth. Seriously, no contradictions. If Naruto barely won every fight it'd be boring. Naruto is a beast now. He's earned it. Main Theme- Work hard enough and you'll achieve your dreams

Naruto has grown so much. That's the point of most stories. Achieving. To achieve you got to grow.

 

[Supa]

And right back at you, did you forget the years that he trained with Jiraiya, he months he trained with the toads, Kakashi and Bee?:flaw:



Right back at you, i can't believe that Sasuke got susanoo, amaterasu and tsukuyomi bu killed Danzo with only chidori ...:flaw:



well that was obvious the moment we all started reading Naruo and that was that these two would become the most powerful in the ninja series, i don't get what are you are really on about here?

Jiraiya and Naruto's training consisted of nothing but Rasengan and Jiraiya testing how strong Naruto's seal was.

Susano'o, Amaterasu, and Genjutsu were used effectively throughout the fight, not too much of the other.

I'm saying Naruto getting OP in such a short amount of time is ignorant.

Unrealistic power ups? Since we heard of the Hashirama vs Madara fight, it was obvious in which direction the show would be headed.
And yeah in part 1 Naruto is trying to be like Sasuke but now Sasuke is evil so that can't be the case anymore can't it? lol

And yes he's dream is still to become hokage.
Accept and deal with the fact that they have matured and developed, Naruto can't stay the same immature, stupid underdog as he was in Part 1. Now he's on his way becoming the greatest Hokage of all time like it was obvious in the beginning of the show.



M2licee already pwned you in that first matter but to the latter line:

Yes, that is exactly what Kishi is trying to do. And it was obvious from the beginning since those two are the main characters. Deal with it.

The greatest Hokage ever will always be the First. Naruto's dream is to save his "friend" Sasuke. If anything, he'll become a universal 'Kage like Jiraiya was instead, because he will want to travel.

Sasuke's powers are reasonable though: Sharingan.
Naruto's powers come out of nowhere.

 

[Raikiri10]

Your missing the main point of his development from part 1 to part 2 your correct in some aspects but i think kishi is trying to portray that he was always a genius just a little dense and all he needed to do was put the hard work in to master what those before him had failed at in a far quicker manner.

And his power didn't come out of no where he trained like crazy to learn his wind nature and he worked like hell to master rasengan same with rasenshuriken also the same with sage mode and tailed beast mode if anyone hasn't worked for there power it's sasuke he was given his most deadly techniques that have constantly saved his ass many times so far where as naruto created his most deadly technique i have no idea what manga you have been reading maybe you need to go back and have another read because your misinformed

 

[Bhil]

It's called character development. These are not contradictions.

Alright.

 

[Unmasked]

Naruto? Arrogant?... Whatever floats your boat.
There are no contradictions. Kishi intended for Naruto to be an underdog at the start of the series and become stronger as he grew and then earn the respect he has now. That's pretty much the basic plot; Naruto's journey.

Only for Naruto Uzumaki fans, but for fans of the manga and not a particular character see right through Kishimoto's bullshit. He clearly is giving Naruto everything Sasuke has so they can be on par when they fight.

I don't think "giving" is the right word to use here but again, whatever floats you boat. Naruto worked for everything he has now right? Or have you been skipping all those training scenes and rushing to the fights? Admittedly Sasuke worked hard when he was younger but since Shippuden came round, his powers seem to just keep "popping" up.

 

[Raikiri10]

Naruto? Arrogant?... Whatever floats your boat.
There are no contradictions. Kishi intended for Naruto to be an underdog at the start of the series and become stronger as he grew and then earn the respect he has now. That's pretty much the basic plot; Naruto's journey.



I don't think "giving" is the right word to use here but again, whatever floats you boat. Naruto worked for everything he has now right? Or have you been skipping all those training scenes and rushing to the fights? Admittedly Sasuke worked hard when he was younger but since Shippuden came round, his powers seem to just keep "popping" up.

Probably one of those ones skipping to all the fight scenes classic newbie mistake

 

[Akademic]

i see where supa is going with this, for having naruto learn sage mode in just acouple of days, and kyuubi chakra form. its like kishi lost intrested in naruto and just wants to call it quits.

 

[JoeyofBlades]

Naruto isn't arrogant, just determined. He's seeing the world for himself, understanding the pain of losing a sensei that was like a Godfather to him, and starting to mature and understand other people. The thing that makes him different is his determination to save Sasuke and end the war without anyone getting hurt because of trying to protect him. He's irrational because honestly, he's still rushing into battle like he did when he was younger and thinking he can save Sasuke and the world. But the main character has to be like that sometimes, otherwise it would be dull if everyone acted realistically and did the logical things. Even Killer Bee helps him escape because he sees his determination. He still has that knuckle-headedness from Part 1, just with a little maturity behind it now.

And about Sage Mode... Jiraiya never tried to master it. Fukusaku says at the beginning of the Pain battle that Jiraiya never used Sage Mode because it made him "unpopular with the ladies." Yeah, Naruto mastering it that quickly is kind of hard to believe, even given the excuse that he learns through the experience of his Shadow Clones... That was something Kishimoto made up so we wouldn't have to sit through many chapters/issues of him training like a normal person. He's getting all of these new abilities out of nowhere, but it keeps things interesting.

I agree that it's character development... why would he stay bratty and hated by the villagers until the very end of the series? It's about overcoming that hatred and becoming accepted. Kishimoto presents character flaws and then remedies them as he matures.

 

[Unmasked]

Probably one of those ones skipping to all the fight scenes classic newbie mistake

Confusious say... Justify this my Pink Floyd fan! (Off topic but I think they're a pretty good band)
.....Wait in case you don't know what I'm getting at with Pink Floyd... Your location "The Dark Side of The Moon" was the title of one of their albums >.<

 

[Raikiri10]

Confusious say... Justify this my Pink Floyd fan! (Off topic but I think they're a pretty good band)
.....Wait in case you don't know what I'm getting at with Pink Floyd... Your location "The Dark Side of The Moon" was the title of one of their albums >.<

Indeed i do enjoy listening to pink floyd there guitarist David Gilmore is brilliant and yes the dark side of the moon is one of there albums and can be implied to ones state of mind as well xd

 

[tw3lv3shinobi]

Part l Naruto
Underrated by everyone
Wanted to become Hokage
Didn't have anything special (Kyubi was a curse)

Part ll Naruto
Fourth Hokage's son
Mastered SM in days, Jiraiya never mastered in 50+ years
Kyubi Mode
Uzumaki Clan (Plot-no-Jutsu) becoming related to Sasuke's clan so this Chain of Hatred thing can continue
Arrogant to the max; Child of Prophecy
Overpowered

Such contradictions!

Haha!!! there's no contradictions about naruto, all of these are planned on what would be happened to the main character(naruto), and yet what would be happened to naruto is not our own business, is in the writer's view point..so relax and enjoy reading the manga.And before going to release a chapter is would be undergo to review of the editor, so there's no chance to contradict the story line...Masashi is one of the great writers.... see! kuha mo?! XD

 

[22966633634]

I think Supa is trying to get some Kumi. Please donate some for him and end these arguments. Seriously, they are not worth it. I won't even get into it.

 

[sensiekim033]

hahaha you're right he just wants a lot of kumi, to all of you who doesn't like how the naruto's story goes then better stop watching it or reading the manga, after all, this is kishi's work, he can do "ANYTHING" that he wants to... do you understand? or you're too lame, stubborn to accept what's happening to naruto now? suck it up coz IT IS NOT YOUR MANGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Inichi Matsuka]

Part l Naruto
Underrated by everyone
Wanted to become Hokage
Didn't have anything special (Kyubi was a curse)

Part ll Naruto
Fourth Hokage's son
Mastered SM in days, Jiraiya never mastered in 50+ years
Kyubi Mode
Uzumaki Clan (Plot-no-Jutsu) becoming related to Sasuke's clan so this Chain of Hatred thing can continue
Arrogant to the max; Child of Prophecy
Overpowered

Such contradictions!

Well Supa, it's already obvious that you make threads like this for attention, which you have clearly shown.Naruto isn't arrogant, if anything he was more arrogant in the first series.

Are you forgetting all of those years with Orochimaru training? He got Rasen Shuriken, yet it only took Rasengan to defeat Deva Path -_- He then got Kyubi Mode so he can match Sasuke's EMS, lol.

I know what Kishi is trying to do. OP these two to the max.

Your point?Look, we don't even know what Sasuke's EMS abilities are yet.And the same goes for Naruto's Rikodu mode.And also don't you see that the series is starting to come to a close?The end fight between the two or however it may go would be boring as HELL if they weren't overpowered.

Jiraiya and Naruto's training consisted of nothing but Rasengan and Jiraiya testing how strong Naruto's seal was.

Susano'o, Amaterasu, and Genjutsu were used effectively throughout the fight, not too much of the other.

I'm saying Naruto getting OP in such a short amount of time is ignorant.

Firstly, we didn't even see all of Naruto and Jiraiya's training, so how would you say that it only consisted of learning Rasengan?The fourth made Rasengan, but it took him 3 years to do so and even then he didn't fully master the technique as Naruto obviously has.We saw about one clip of Naruto developing his Giant Rasengan, and one clip of Naruto attacking Jiraiya while in three-tailed cloak mode, but does that prove that his training only consists of mastering Rasengan and testing Naruto's seal either?No.And also, Susano'o and Amaterasu being used effectively?Sasuke pretty much just whored those techniques during all of his recent fights except for the Killer Bee one.Although I do agree about him using Genjutsu effectively.

Jiraiya and Naruto's training consisted of nothing but Rasengan and Jiraiya testing how strong Naruto's seal was.

Susano'o, Amaterasu, and Genjutsu were used effectively throughout the fight, not too much of the other.

I'm saying Naruto getting OP in such a short amount of time is ignorant.

How can hard work get you so much abilities in one month?

Well, Naruto always has been a quick learner, so I guess you could say that's still an original trait of his.Also, it took more than one month.

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Another point to be made: You obviously don't know what you're talking about because you're not even using ignorant correctly, which is the word you're using for your thesis.Here's the definition:

1.lacking in knowledge or training;unlearned: an ignorant man.
2.lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics.
3.Uninformed; unaware.
4.due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement (Just like yours! )

That doesn't mean Naruto should go from underrated to already one of the greatest in Konoha history in one measly month.

Also, people change, even in real life.(though some never do) And that's also one of Masashi's key Naruto story migrations; Naruto growing from a prank-loving brat who was hated by everyone to the savior of the Leaf, which everyone admires.Plus, that also took more than a month.

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I don't know why I have taken the time to write this post, because you'll just end up saying something that's completely unrelated to the point I was trying to make so that you can keep on trolling on your thread.

As you've shown here:

who cares its how the story goes and it the story is soo good

being the underdog in part 1 and becoming the greatest in the end its the way it shuld be

Only for Naruto Uzumaki fans, but for fans of the manga and not a particular character see right through Kishimoto's bullshit. He clearly is giving Naruto everything Sasuke has so they can be on par when they fight.

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I really don't see any contradictions. Just the protagonists character being developed over the last 10 + years of the series.

If everyone knew who Naruto's parents were from the start, and why the 4th sealed the fox in Naruto, everyone would have thought differently.

I am pretty sure that he still wants to be the Hokage, but we don't really hear it to much from him directly. This is probably due to the fact that he has other goals, that are probably more important to him at the moment, and he focus's his attention on those, versus his dream of Hokage.

It has always been hinted at who his father was, Jiraiya said in the first series he was taking Naruto as his apprentice, because of his resemblance to the 4th. Granted Jiraiya knew who his father was, but it was still not revealed until much later.

Is there some kind of time line that state's exactly how long he was training with the toads? I have always wondered how long he was with the toads myself.

He obviously was always part of the Uzumaki clan. The whole chain of hatred thing has been a vital part of the entire story, just with different names attached to it, and it needs to be seen in a different way, and on different scales.

There is a fine line between arrogance and self confidence. People are that are seen as arrogant are typically only seen that way by people that have low self confidence.

I don't believe he is OP. As of right now he is only on par with the Raikage. We haven't seen what he can do fully with his new powers, so maybe he has peaked (which is highly unlikely). We also don't know what Kabuto, Tobi/Madara, or Sasuke can do yet.

Kishi clearly pulled that out of his ass, to give Naruto more power; Him surpassing the Fourth.

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That's why the show is called Naruto.

But yeah I actually agree with you to a certain point...Naruto is becoming too OP too fast..that's Kishi's way for making him a hero I guess and so that he is able to confront Sasuke. My guess is the show is coming to an end soon since there aren't soon many people that Naruto couldn't handle..if he beats Raikage, then Madara and Sasuke are only ones stronger/same levele than/with him.

It's ridiculous yeah but it's not contradicting..just too small time frame..Naruto will become Hokage someday and if he learns some awesome jutsu along the way, I guess that was Kishi's plan the whole time.

Unrealistic power-ups and bloodlines just so he can be on par with Sasuke. It's contradictory because in Part l Naruto was trying to be like Sasuke, but not because of some bloodline ability like he's having in Part ll.

No, Naruto's dream isn't to be Hokage anymore. I think he'll be a universal 'Kage like Jiraiya sorta was.

And these are just three examples.I could easily find many more examples to show, but I think I've already wasted enough of my time making this post.


Also, sorry to anyone else who thought this was extremely long, I've been a forum mod before, so I guess the whole 'trouncing trolls' thing just came back for a bit

 

[m2licee]

Jiraiya and Naruto's training consisted of nothing but Rasengan and Jiraiya testing how strong Naruto's seal was.

Yeah sure Jiraiya's training was rasengan, how to disrupt chakra when under genjutsu, and all the other stuff that we were never shown. I mean you cannot honestly believe that in the 3years that they were together, Naruto only learned the Rasengan. Also Naruto learnt how to perform the rasengan the first time they went out of the village together, to get the new hokage, so it stands to reason that they focused on other things when they went again for the second time, when the time skip happened. Don't be an idiot.

Kakashi came in and helped Naruto move on to his next level where they would be utilising nature manipulation. And as it was explained, clones increased his experience, so no problem there.

Fortunately Naruto hasn't had only one master, the toads came in and they taught him how to use sennin mode. THat took him a little over month to a month because he was driven. Jiraiya never really had anything pushing him besides wanting to bang Tsunade, Naruto however needed to learn this art or his life and the life of the other villagers was on the line. Because he was driven by revenge and wanting self-preservation he took the training head on and came out tops.

He fought with the Kyuubi under the guidance fo his latest master, and because he had become as powerful as he had, he succeeded, although he did need some help from his mother. Nothing about that was far-fetched and overpowered. He used the powers he had and overcame the kyuubi. End of story.

Susano'o, Amaterasu, and Genjutsu were used effectively throughout the fight, not too much of the other.

THen the same can be said for the Rasengan, Rasen-Shuriken and Sage mode. They are the techniques that we know and unfortunately because Kishi doesn't want Naruto revealing his techniques yet, they are the only ones we will see now. He used them just as effectively in that fight because they were his arsenal and for now we don't know any other. I don't get what yu are on about on tis point though. So now you have a problem with the techniques that Naruto uses and how he fights? Do you love sucking Sasuke's **** that much?U_U

I'm saying Naruto getting OP in such a short amount of time is ignorant.

THat was not a short time, and if anything this has happened in the same time frame as Sasuke gaining his powers.This is the pattern and whether you lke it or not it is not going to change anytime soon.

Sasuke - Chidori = Rasengan - Naruto

Sasuke - Kirin = Rasen-Shuriken - Naruto

Sasuke - Mangekyou Sharingan = Sage Mode - Naruto

Sasuke - Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan = Kyuubi Mode - Naruto

 

[Inichi Matsuka]

Yeah sure Jiraiya's training was rasengan, how to disrupt chakra when under genjutsu, and all the other stuff that we were never shown. I mean you cannot honestly believe that in the 3years that they were together, Naruto only learned the Rasengan. Also Naruto learnt how to perform the rasengan the first time they went out of the village together, to get the new hokage, so it stands to reason that they focused on other things when they went again for the second time, when the time skip happened. Don't be an idiot.

Kakashi came in and helped Naruto move on to his next level where they would be utilising nature manipulation. And as it was explained, clones increased his experience, so no problem there.

Fortunately Naruto hasn't had only one master, the toads came in and they taught him how to use sennin mode. THat took him a little over month to a month because he was driven. Jiraiya never really had anything pushing him besides wanting to bang Tsunade, Naruto however needed to learn this art or his life and the life of the other villagers was on the line. Because he was driven by revenge and wanting self-preservation he took the training head on and came out tops.

He fought with the Kyuubi under the guidance fo his latest master, and because he had become as powerful as he had, he succeeded, although he did need some help from his mother. Nothing about that was far-fetched and overpowered. He used the powers he had and overcame the kyuubi. End of story.



THen the same can be said for the Rasengan, Rasen-Shuriken and Sage mode. They are the techniques that we know and unfortunately because Kishi doesn't want Naruto revealing his techniques yet, they are the only ones we will see now. He used them just as effectively in that fight because they were his arsenal and for now we don't know any other. I don't get what yu are on about on tis point though. So now you have a problem with the techniques that Naruto uses and how he fights? Do you love sucking Sasuke's **** that much?U_U




THat was not a short time, and if anything this has happened in the same time frame as Sasuke gaining his powers.This is the pattern and whether you lke it or not it is not going to change anytime soon.

Sasuke - Chidori = Rasengan - Naruto

Sasuke - Kirin = Rasen-Shuriken - Naruto

Sasuke - Mangekyou Sharingan = Sage Mode - Naruto

Sasuke - Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan = Kyuubi Mode - Naruto

Very nice.It's good to see someone else bashing him like myself xd

 

[tyson2005]

why dont u make ur own manga instead of criticizing others work which you obviously dont understand., now that is being arrogant.,

hahahaha awesome comment dude.

 

[SasukeMangekyo5]

why dont u make ur own manga instead of criticizing others work which you obviously dont understand., now that is being arrogant.,

He's not being arrogant, if you don't know what to write then stop writing meaningless things because he's just writing his opinion, IT'S HIS RIGHT AND YOU ARE NOT HIS BOSS.

I think you are right because the process of character development should have started before the Naruto Shippuden it should have been a process step-by-step.

 

[Inichi Matsuka]

He's not being arrogant, if you don't know what to write then stop writing meaningless things because he's just writing his opinion, IT'S HIS RIGHT AND YOU ARE NOT HIS BOSS.

I think you are right because the process of character development should have started before the Naruto Shippuden it should have been a process step-by-step.

This has been said because Supa is a troll.I'm sure he'd troll you if he had the chance.

 

[SasukeMangekyo5]

This has been said because Supa is a troll.I'm sure he'd troll you if he had the chance.

If he'd troll me I would say to him the same things I wrote for the people here who can't do nothing and try to show their-selves as "TRUE FANS"..................I have a message for them........... SHUT UP