Masashi Kishimoto contradicting Naruto's original Character

[-Hades-]

Well if you think characters are developing too fast then you don't really understand what it means to write a manga, and you clearly don't know all the things that need to be taken into account.
You wanted to see Naruto and Sasuke train for like 10 yers each to get their sage/sharingan abilities... another couple of years for Kiuby mode/Ems? then the manga would have never ended... even if there was a time skip... every other character would also have to evolve... and if those 10 years would not be shown (like what the characters did all that time) you would still complain about the manga not showing it...
Kishi found a way to balance it and i think it works just fine... he can still evolve his characters while showing us their training, the abilities they develop and so on... or would you rather see a cover with "After 10 years..." and we see Naruto vs Sasuke, both pulling out jutsu that we have never seen before, and not knowing how they got them?

 

[Supa]

why dont u make ur own manga instead of criticizing others work which you obviously dont understand., now that is being arrogant.,

I respect Kishi and is a big fan of his work, but unrealistically overpowering Naruto in only five weeks so he can reach Sasuke's level of power is sad.

It's called character development. These are not contradictions.

It contradicts his original character though, that is where I'm getting at.

I really don't see any contradictions. Just the protagonists character being developed over the last 10 + years of the series.

If everyone knew who Naruto's parents were from the start, and why the 4th sealed the fox in Naruto, everyone would have thought differently.

I am pretty sure that he still wants to be the Hokage, but we don't really hear it to much from him directly. This is probably due to the fact that he has other goals, that are probably more important to him at the moment, and he focus's his attention on those, versus his dream of Hokage.

It has always been hinted at who his father was, Jiraiya said in the first series he was taking Naruto as his apprentice, because of his resemblance to the 4th. Granted Jiraiya knew who his father was, but it was still not revealed until much later.

Is there some kind of time line that state's exactly how long he was training with the toads? I have always wondered how long he was with the toads myself.

He obviously was always part of the Uzumaki clan. The whole chain of hatred thing has been a vital part of the entire story, just with different names attached to it, and it needs to be seen in a different way, and on different scales.

There is a fine line between arrogance and self confidence. People are that are seen as arrogant are typically only seen that way by people that have low self confidence.

I don't believe he is OP. As of right now he is only on par with the Raikage. We haven't seen what he can do fully with his new powers, so maybe he has peaked (which is highly unlikely). We also don't know what Kabuto, Tobi/Madara, or Sasuke can do yet.

Kishi clearly pulled that out of his ass, to give Naruto more power; Him surpassing the Fourth.

Well, that's the fruits of his determination and intense training of 3 years and some months. It's character development of Kishi and have you ever heard of the philosophy that hard work always pays off.
That's why Kishi's Naruto character develop with time and becomes more powerful. Perhaps, you should know that in Part1, he was always striving to earn respect due to the fact of being hated and underrated. His hard work paid off and that's good. These are no contradictions as you are saying. He's not arrogant, he's just determined and hard-working.
Sasuke, on the other hand, is arrogant as he's kinda of a genius due to the status of his Clan. That's why both make good rivals as they have similarities and differences. Kishi based most of his works on these aspects and characters and if you don't like it, then just stop reading it...

How can hard work get you so much abilities in one month?

Naruto went onto his knees to beg for his friend's life... is this arrogance?
He'll need all the power he's got and who knows if it'll be enough? I hope so!

He went on his knees because he didn't fully understand the situation. He thinks he can do whatever he wants, only because Tsunade let's him.
So him getting powered up to Rikudo Sennin-level in less than a month doesn't bother you and make things unrealistic?

That's why the show is called Naruto.

But yeah I actually agree with you to a certain point...Naruto is becoming too OP too fast..that's Kishi's way for making him a hero I guess and so that he is able to confront Sasuke. My guess is the show is coming to an end soon since there aren't soon many people that Naruto couldn't handle..if he beats Raikage, then Madara and Sasuke are only ones stronger/same levele than/with him.

It's ridiculous yeah but it's not contradicting..just too small time frame..Naruto will become Hokage someday and if he learns some awesome jutsu along the way, I guess that was Kishi's plan the whole time.

Unrealistic power-ups and bloodlines just so he can be on par with Sasuke. It's contradictory because in Part l Naruto was trying to be like Sasuke, but not because of some bloodline ability like he's having in Part ll.

No, Naruto's dream isn't to be Hokage anymore. I think he'll be a universal 'Kage like Jiraiya sorta was.

All Naruto's power ups are justified...

He got Rasengan, moved on to Rasen Shuriken, got Sage mode, and then used Sage mode to defeat the Kyuubi. He was already powerful enough. I would have found it strange that Naruto would have failed to defeat the Kyuubi with the natural energy. Getting the Kyuubi mode that quickly shows just how far he has come, and also that the kyuubi that's sealed in him is half the chakra, but anyway.

Its weird, we always see Naruto training and progressing, but we then see Sasuke coming up against new opponents and just receiving new abilities. Naruto's powerful because he trains, there's no way around that. If you are angry, be angry at the fact that Sasuke is majorly overpowered and we never saw him doing any hard work for his new abilities.

Are you forgetting all of those years with Orochimaru training? He got Rasen Shuriken, yet it only took Rasengan to defeat Deva Path -_- He then got Kyubi Mode so he can match Sasuke's EMS, lol.

I know what Kishi is trying to do. OP these two to the max.

 

[Blackie Chan]

i thought narutos ninja way is not going back on his word, so he cant give up on sasuke, plus naruto is the first to try to jump into the fight, it seems like he just matured and he believes in minato and jiraiya believing in him saving the world,

 

[Drizzy]

Hmmmmmmm, naruto havent said anything about being hokage in such a long time.........................

 

[kingdondunga]

I think you are taking it the wrong way. There has been hatred in the ninja world and its a cycle that has to be broken. The issue with naruto and sasuke is same as jiraiya and orochimaru and similar to sarutobi and danzo. The villages all want to be powerful and have full control but they all want peace and go about it the wrong way thats why they end of killing everyone just like hanzo, pain even madara they want peace but want to have control.

The way kishi is taking the story is trying to paint a picture about the history and present and take us forward to a proper solution to peace which needs good strong characters.

Naruto has developed and if you read the manga and watched the series then you would understand and see why he developed in this way. Naruto couldve ended up like sasuke because everyone hated him and taken revenge on all but because of iruka and jiraiya he was able to overcome that and he shows that its a choice you make to be good or bad.

Naruto has the will of fire which enables him to develop quickly and remember he is the 4th hokages and kushinas son so he has their dna to help him. He has self belief not arrogance and he is doing what he believes to bring about peace.

Part 1 shows two good friends naruto and sasuke go down two different paths and the reasons why this is the same with so many other ninjas.

To bring about peace you have to be special and naruto is special because of his parents and the kyubi but there has to be something else he also has will of fire which is determination to succeed which makes him extra special than everyone else and because of this he will be the child of prophecy and bring about peace and he will be a lot stronger.

Was i able to clarify things for you?

 

[Hawker]

It contradicts his original character though, that is where I'm getting at.

No. He is just developing in a high pace. It's character development as said already. In first episode Naruto learned jounin level technique kage bunshin from that book in only few hours. And he learned rasengan in such a young age. So he has always been a quick learner as he is a underdog, not a genius.
Where do you see contradiction comparing current Naruto to that??

It would be boring and lame if Naruto were to stay the same level of which he was at part 1..now he is older and learning things in a more faster way. Nothing odd or contradicting in that. Just the nature of the show.

 

[Supa]

No. He is just developing in a high pace. It's character development as said already. In first episode Naruto learned jounin level technique kage bunshin from that book in only few hours. And he learned rasengan in such a young age. So he has always been a quick learner as he is a underdog, not a genius.
Where do you see contradiction comparing current Naruto to that??

It would be boring and lame if Naruto were to stay the same level of which he was at part 1..now he is older and learning things in a more faster way. Nothing odd or contradicting in that. Just the nature of the show.

I'm referring to Naruto's original character (Part l) that was deemed an underdog, which completely switched in Shippuden (Part ll) as he's learnt powerful jutsu (Sage Mode, Kyubi Mode) in days while it took Jiraiya and Killer Bee years.

Also, the Uzumaki Clan being related to the Uchiha Clan is Kishi's Plot-no-Jutsu to make Naruto and Sasuke's battle part of the Chain of Hatred.

I think you are taking it the wrong way. There has been hatred in the ninja world and its a cycle that has to be broken. The issue with naruto and sasuke is same as jiraiya and orochimaru and similar to sarutobi and danzo. The villages all want to be powerful and have full control but they all want peace and go about it the wrong way thats why they end of killing everyone just like hanzo, pain even madara they want peace but want to have control.

The way kishi is taking the story is trying to paint a picture about the history and present and take us forward to a proper solution to peace which needs good strong characters.

Naruto has developed and if you read the manga and watched the series then you would understand and see why he developed in this way. Naruto couldve ended up like sasuke because everyone hated him and taken revenge on all but because of iruka and jiraiya he was able to overcome that and he shows that its a choice you make to be good or bad.

Naruto has the will of fire which enables him to develop quickly and remember he is the 4th hokages and kushinas son so he has their dna to help him. He has self belief not arrogance and he is doing what he believes to bring about peace.

Part 1 shows two good friends naruto and sasuke go down two different paths and the reasons why this is the same with so many other ninjas.

To bring about peace you have to be special and naruto is special because of his parents and the kyubi but there has to be something else he also has will of fire which is determination to succeed which makes him extra special than everyone else and because of this he will be the child of prophecy and bring about peace and he will be a lot stronger.

Was i able to clarify things for you?

So having the Will of Fire makes you learn powerful jutsu? If that's the case, Kakashi should be Rikudo Sage level then.

No!

Kishi is trying to power up Naruto to Sasuke's level so they can seem equal, but the LENGTH and TIME he's reaching these powerful jutsu are insane.

 

[Cyborg]

I don't really see any difference per se. However, in part 1 he was like going on and on obnoxiously about his ninja way to never give up etc, and he does'nt do that now.....still the same genral traits, just a more mature version of naruto.

 

[Hawker]

I'm referring to Naruto's original character (Part l) that was deemed an underdog, which completely switched in Shippuden (Part ll) as he's learnt powerful jutsu (Sage Mode, Kyubi Mode) in days while it took Jiraiya and Killer Bee years.

Also, the Uzumaki Clan being related to the Uchiha Clan is Kishi's Plot-no-Jutsu to make Naruto and Sasuke's battle part of the Chain of Hatred.

If he's going to become Hokage some day, he can't be the underdog always..so that's Kishi's point about the developement of Naruto.

 

[soggysombrero]

the name of the freaking series is NARUTO. did u think he was going to be a side character or something lmao. everyone tries to get power for different reasons. sasukes at first was to kill itachi. narutos at first was to beat sasuke. then sasuke wanted power to destroy the leaf. naruto wanted power to save sasuke. you can go down the list man. neji wanted power to prove the branch family was just as good as if not better than the head family. lee wanted power to prove that he could be a great shinobi without any ninjutsu. the list goes on and on

 

[ghost401]

Naruto is just too powerful that it doesdnt make sense anymore, I mean he's nothing more than a simpleton. He's been told about the war and still wants to go out and fight cuz thats the only thing on his dumb mind. Kishi is becoming predictable, all Naruto can say nowadays is that he will take all the hatred(talking like he's got a brain) and anger. And the biggest question from me is "what is he trying to save Sasuke from?"

 

[Supa]

If he's going to become Hokage some day, he can't be the underdog always..so that's Kishi's point about the developement of Naruto.

That's not the point I'm trying to make. I'm saying the amount of power he's gaining is ridiculous, if you consider the time frame in which he's receiving them. That's not development, more like OP.

the name of the freaking series is NARUTO. did u think he was going to be a side character or something lmao. everyone tries to get power for different reasons. sasukes at first was to kill itachi. narutos at first was to beat sasuke. then sasuke wanted power to destroy the leaf. naruto wanted power to save sasuke. you can go down the list man. neji wanted power to prove the branch family was just as good as if not better than the head family. lee wanted power to prove that he could be a great shinobi without any ninjutsu. the list goes on and on

That is not the point. I'm saying the time in which Naruto is getting powers is unrealistic.

Naruto is just too powerful that it doesdnt make sense anymore, I mean he's nothing more than a simpleton. He's been told about the war and still wants to go out and fight cuz thats the only thing on his dumb mind. Kishi is becoming predictable, all Naruto can say nowadays is that he will take all the hatred(talking like he's got a brain) and anger. And the biggest question from me is "what is he trying to save Sasuke from?"

I agree fully, but don't be shocked if you get haters.

 

[DESTRUCTO]

Kage buunshin dude c'mon. He gains experience from every kage buunshin. In some fights he uses a hundred of them, that means, hundred times the experience. The reason his level from the start of shippuden to the end of the pain arc increased so much is because he had the realization of the gaining of this experience, before then, it was just happening subconciously. Imagine if you could make one hundred clones, have all of them do one math problem, then end the jutsu. You would have that problem memorized in a matter of one minute, compared to the hours it would take to study.

 

[Hawker]

That's not the point I'm trying to make. I'm saying the amount of power he's gaining is ridiculous, if you consider the time frame in which he's receiving them. That's not development, more like OP.

That's why the show is called Naruto.

But yeah I actually agree with you to a certain point...Naruto is becoming too OP too fast..that's Kishi's way for making him a hero I guess and so that he is able to confront Sasuke. My guess is the show is coming to an end soon since there aren't soon many people that Naruto couldn't handle..if he beats Raikage, then Madara and Sasuke are only ones stronger/same levele than/with him.

It's ridiculous yeah but it's not contradicting..just too small time frame..Naruto will become Hokage someday and if he learns some awesome jutsu along the way, I guess that was Kishi's plan the whole time.

 

[minatoisagod]

can't expect it to b the same man. I see you prefer the 1st part which is cool everyone has there likes as much as i do not like naruto has a character he did mature in fighting and in skills. Plus the whole 4th being his dad thing was already speculation he just confirmed it.

 

[m2licee]

All Naruto's power ups are justified...

He got Rasengan, moved on to Rasen Shuriken, got Sage mode, and then used Sage mode to defeat the Kyuubi. He was already powerful enough. I would have found it strange that Naruto would have failed to defeat the Kyuubi with the natural energy. Getting the Kyuubi mode that quickly shows just how far he has come, and also that the kyuubi that's sealed in him is half the chakra, but anyway.

Its weird, we always see Naruto training and progressing, but we then see Sasuke coming up against new opponents and just receiving new abilities. Naruto's powerful because he trains, there's no way around that. If you are angry, be angry at the fact that Sasuke is majorly overpowered and we never saw him doing any hard work for his new abilities.

 

[m2licee]

Are you forgetting all of those years with Orochimaru training?

And right back at you, did you forget the years that he trained with Jiraiya, he months he trained with the toads, Kakashi and Bee?:flaw:

He got Rasen Shuriken, yet it only took Rasengan to defeat Deva Path -_- He then got Kyubi Mode so he can match Sasuke's EMS, lol.

Right back at you, i can't believe that Sasuke got susanoo, amaterasu and tsukuyomi bu killed Danzo with only chidori ...:flaw:

I know what Kishi is trying to do. OP these two to the max.

well that was obvious the moment we all started reading Naruo and that was that these two would become the most powerful in the ninja series, i don't get what are you are really on about here?

 

[Hawker]

Unrealistic power-ups and bloodlines just so he can be on par with Sasuke. It's contradictory because in Part l Naruto was trying to be like Sasuke, but not because of some bloodline ability like he's having in Part ll.

No, Naruto's dream isn't to be Hokage anymore. I think he'll be a universal 'Kage like Jiraiya sorta was.

Unrealistic power ups? Since we heard of the Hashirama vs Madara fight, it was obvious in which direction the show would be headed.
And yeah in part 1 Naruto is trying to be like Sasuke but now Sasuke is evil so that can't be the case anymore can't it? lol

And yes he's dream is still to become hokage.
Accept and deal with the fact that they have matured and developed, Naruto can't stay the same immature, stupid underdog as he was in Part 1. Now he's on his way becoming the greatest Hokage of all time like it was obvious in the beginning of the show.

Are you forgetting all of those years with Orochimaru training? He got Rasen Shuriken, yet it only took Rasengan to defeat Deva Path -_- He then got Kyubi Mode so he can match Sasuke's EMS, lol.

I know what Kishi is trying to do. OP these two to the max.

M2licee already pwned you in that first matter but to the latter line:

Yes, that is exactly what Kishi is trying to do. And it was obvious from the beginning since those two are the main characters. Deal with it.

 

[KishiforPresident]

character development man... no real contradictions

 

[Gildarts Clive]

supa GTH naruto goes like kishi wants now shut it