Sasuke's Powers Unfair?

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So I probably am not the first person to ask this question but does anyone else think its crap how Sasuke's powers are just unfair? I mean I could go on and on but the long, short of it is, he developed Sharingan, and the initial powers of the Sharingan are vague at best, the consensus being "they have the power to see the flow of chakra" so basically every time Sasuke's Sharingan upgrade in part 1, he gets sort of an unexplainable boost in power (strength, speed etc) just because of his eyes. But then in part two it gets even more ridiculous with the Mangekyo Sharingan. I mean, I'm not disputing that Sasuke, shouldn't be powerful at all but it seems like half the time its the involuntary actions of his eyes that give him his skill.

I mean for example, I just watched episode 209
and Danzo TOTALLY had the drop on him at some point, I mean the look in Sasuke's eyes was like "holy shit I am so about to die" (I'm not a Danzo fan or anything but still) and through NO action or intent of his own Susanoo just protects him.
I mean its a little ridiculous, with Itachi at least we had some boundaries, he would get tired after using both Tsukoyomi and Amaterasu (spelling?) in the same day and Susano'o was his final trump card and itachi was vomiting blood because it took such a toll on his but Sasuke just does it any time he's in a bit of a bind. I mean I guess it just irks me to see Naruto work his ass for for 400 and some episodes and then FINALLY gets somewhat strong (except he still usually gets his ass kicked when it comes to anything but raw strength and power) but Sasuke matches every step and then some; by what appears to be genetic luck. :flaw:

I know i rambled a bit but I'm curious about how people feel about this.
 

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Yeah I quit enjoying watching his fights after he got Susano'o.. And after the surgery there will be no limitations on his Mangekyo usage. Greaaat
 

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Naruto has Kyubi and Sage Mode. Do you think it's unfair every time he's on the brink of death one of those two excluding his friends save him?
 

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well sasuke is a lucky but also unlucky case he was born in the uchiha which is lucky but his clan was murdered unlucky

it was fate for him to be tht strong no matter how many upgrades he gets i dont think its unfair i just think his extremly lucky with him gaining tht much power
 

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Well I think the whole premace of naruto and sauske being opposites is that they both come from good genes just one side has to work countless hours to obtain powr while the other is just granted it no matter what. I think this comes down to the SO6P's sons one wanting to rule with power and the other wanting peace through love. Its hard to understand what true power is if you nevwr have to work to hard to obtain it. Sauske reminds me of the spoiled kid whos dad bought him a dodgw vioer for no reason. Doesnt understand what it took to get the car. And narto is the kid with a toyota corolla who works 2 jobs just to some day have the dream of owning the viper. And im no fan boy lol. Its for these reasons why I love the manga/anume so much
 

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Oh go cry me a river. geez dude. Sasuke works his ****ing ass off for what he gets, i dont see naruto going around assaulting a building full of kages and shit. All naruto did for sage mode was get covered in oil, sit and get beat over the head by a frog, that, my friend, is unfair.
 

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Yes sasuke would have been extremely overpowered, But remember the usuage of those things has huge consequences: (Spoiler )

During Sasuke's and Naruto's final encounter before the war, he was almost blind due to him overusing Susano\Mange Sharingan. So if he never had itachi's eyes he would have just been a disabled blind shinobi, just like Madara was before he got his brothers eyes.

So in any case he's just very damn lucky.
 

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Nah sasuke's eyes are just like any ninja tool!! and a tool is only as strong as its user ><! i could say mizukage techs are unfair but everyone has their own special jutsu!!! use wat u got!!
 

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okay I may, IN THEORY, be willing to believe that every cell in his body hurts or whatever when he uses it but still I mean come one, when Itachi used it he was puking blood (yes i know other stuff happened before that) and he looked like he was about to keel over whereas sasuke is just unphased, as if summoning this giant monster skeleton is just a reflex. (which it basically is at this point)
 

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Naruto has Kyubi and Sage Mode. Do you think it's unfair every time he's on the brink of death one of those two excluding his friends save him?
Okay I was prepared for someone to bring this point up, YES the kyuubi has been a huge boost in Naruto's power when he needed it. But it was completely different mainly because there were consequences for it being someone else's power, Sasuke's Susano'o, from what we can see basically just depletes his chakra and slowly damages his vision (and no not permanently because just like every other time Sasuke has had a problem, kishimoto writes in a magical solution, being Itachi's sharingan transplant, I also was never very clear on how someone can have eyes transplanted into them when they already have eyes but whatever...) but back to my point which is that Naruto had like zero control over the Kyuubi in part 2, I'll admit that in part 1, he was really able to use it to his advantage. But then in part 2, Naruto can't even see straight in his one tails, I mean its almost comical how much energy Naruto wastes once he is using the Kyuubi's chakra, then theres the fact that he can't tell friend from foe and THEN theres the fact that its basically taboo to use it because the ninetails could go nuclear and completely take over, so to some up the ninetails power is more of a liability in shipudden than an asset, which is what makes him stop using it almost completely from after he attacks Sakura until he loses it when Hinata almost dies. Now how Kyuubi's controlled chakra will help him in the future, only time will tell since we haven't really seen it in action yet.

Now onto Sage mode, yes sage mode is superrr cool and it boosts basically all of his skill (probably giving himself just a slight edge, if any over sasuke) but there is a huge drawback, it only lasts for five minutes unless he has time to prepare clones beforehand to meditate and accumulate nature chakra (and seriously, when will he ever have time for that again):confused:

And with the brink of death point, Sasuke has got Naruto waayy beat on that count I mean it is so unfair 1. with his fight with Deidara, Sasuke somehow has enough time to summon Manda, cast a genjustu on him, then crawl into its stomach and reverse summon him??? Come on people I mean Naruto either gets his ass kicked or he kicks ass but rarely anything in between. But sasuke just walks up to Akatsuki guys that no one has been able to beat and is just like "hey tell me what i wanna know and I won't beat your ass" 2. Itachi sooooo had him beat I mean Sasuke looked like he was about to crap his pants when Itachi was walking toward him (yes I know that Itachi had no real intention of killing his little brother but now everyone is like 'bow to the mighty Sasuke, the slayer of the great orochimaru and powerful Itachi, when in reality, yes he fought hard but they were both flukes, Sasuke even admitted this about Orochimaru. Then we go to the five kage summit, where by this point his ego is so over-inflated that he thinks he's unbeatable 'five kage? ha no sweat, give me ten minutes' is his attitude and people actually BELIEVE IT, both Bunjiro and Ao from the mist made a remark or possibly a thought that was like 'Uchiha Sasuke? the one who defeated Zabuza and Haku?) HE DID NO SUCH THING AND ITS RIDICULOUS THAT PEOPLE WOULD EVEN SUGGEST IT, LET ALONE BELIEVE IT!

and look I'm seriously not a Sasuke hater, he is actually a pretty good character and the complexity of the adversary relationship with Naruto makes it so much more interesting than your 'run of the mill' bad guy, I am totally willing to say that Sasuke worked his ass off when he was younger to compete with Itachi and then even more after his clan was annihilated. BUT, what I'm trying to say is that it really irks me that Sasuke is just generally better at everything, without really trying at this point and Naruto is ALWAYS then underdog, in EVERY fight, it just gets tiresome I guess. I have rambled quite a bit here but I mean every word
 

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Yes sasuke would have been extremely overpowered, But remember the usuage of those things has huge consequences: (Spoiler )

During Sasuke's and Naruto's final encounter before the war, he was almost blind due to him overusing Susano\Mange Sharingan. So if he never had itachi's eyes he would have just been a disabled blind shinobi, just like Madara was before he got his brothers eyes.

So in any case he's just very damn lucky.
Okay now I know I've rambled alot about this stuff so this is probably the last I will say. Yes this was like the one weakness I thought Sasuke would have but then wouldn't you know it, Sasuke sees Naruto for like ten minutes and rather than go train his ass off like what Naruto has to do everytime he has been beaten; Sasuke just cheats and is like 'okay madara give me Itachi's eyes' and now that problem will go away like it never existed. I guess the point behind all of my arguments here is that Sasuke is sooo arrogant and it just feels like he deserves to be served up some humility and every time he comes close in part 2 (Deidara and Itachi), he pulls a victory out of his ass and is like 'yeah I knew I wouldn't need any help.' Just once, thats all I'm asking Sasuke needs to be completely and utterly defeated in battle (not die, just not able to keep fighting, or run away like he did with the four kage)
 

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Okay I was prepared for someone to bring this point up, YES the kyuubi has been a huge boost in Naruto's power when he needed it. But it was completely different mainly because there were consequences for it being someone else's power, Sasuke's Susano'o, from what we can see basically just depletes his chakra and slowly damages his vision (and no not permanently because just like every other time Sasuke has had a problem, kishimoto writes in a magical solution, being Itachi's sharingan transplant, I also was never very clear on how someone can have eyes transplanted into them when they already have eyes but whatever...) but back to my point which is that Naruto had like zero control over the Kyuubi in part 2, I'll admit that in part 1, he was really able to use it to his advantage. But then in part 2, Naruto can't even see straight in his one tails, I mean its almost comical how much energy Naruto wastes once he is using the Kyuubi's chakra, then theres the fact that he can't tell friend from foe and THEN theres the fact that its basically taboo to use it because the ninetails could go nuclear and completely take over, so to some up the ninetails power is more of a liability in shipudden than an asset, which is what makes him stop using it almost completely from after he attacks Sakura until he loses it when Hinata almost dies. Now how Kyuubi's controlled chakra will help him in the future, only time will tell since we haven't really seen it in action yet.

Now onto Sage mode, yes sage mode is superrr cool and it boosts basically all of his skill (probably giving himself just a slight edge, if any over sasuke) but there is a huge drawback, it only lasts for five minutes unless he has time to prepare clones beforehand to meditate and accumulate nature chakra (and seriously, when will he ever have time for that again):confused:

And with the brink of death point, Sasuke has got Naruto waayy beat on that count I mean it is so unfair 1. with his fight with Deidara, Sasuke somehow has enough time to summon Manda, cast a genjustu on him, then crawl into its stomach and reverse summon him??? Come on people I mean Naruto either gets his ass kicked or he kicks ass but rarely anything in between. But sasuke just walks up to Akatsuki guys that no one has been able to beat and is just like "hey tell me what i wanna know and I won't beat your ass" 2. Itachi sooooo had him beat I mean Sasuke looked like he was about to crap his pants when Itachi was walking toward him (yes I know that Itachi had no real intention of killing his little brother but now everyone is like 'bow to the mighty Sasuke, the slayer of the great orochimaru and powerful Itachi, when in reality, yes he fought hard but they were both flukes, Sasuke even admitted this about Orochimaru. Then we go to the five kage summit, where by this point his ego is so over-inflated that he thinks he's unbeatable 'five kage? ha no sweat, give me ten minutes' is his attitude and people actually BELIEVE IT, both Bunjiro and Ao from the mist made a remark or possibly a thought that was like 'Uchiha Sasuke? the one who defeated Zabuza and Haku?) HE DID NO SUCH THING AND ITS RIDICULOUS THAT PEOPLE WOULD EVEN SUGGEST IT, LET ALONE BELIEVE IT!

and look I'm seriously not a Sasuke hater, he is actually a pretty good character and the complexity of the adversary relationship with Naruto makes it so much more interesting than your 'run of the mill' bad guy, I am totally willing to say that Sasuke worked his ass off when he was younger to compete with Itachi and then even more after his clan was annihilated. BUT, what I'm trying to say is that it really irks me that Sasuke is just generally better at everything, without really trying at this point and Naruto is ALWAYS then underdog, in EVERY fight, it just gets tiresome I guess. I have rambled quite a bit here but I mean every word
I believe Sasuke summoned Manda then used the genjustu to have Manda eat him and he then let Manda get blasted while he was safe inside him. If he reversed summoned him then Manda wouldn't have died.

What are you referring to when you say he just walks up to Akatsuki members and says "hey tell me what i wanna know and I won't beat your ass"? I don't recalled him doing that except when he asked Danzo if it was true that Itachi was given orders to his clan but I doubt that's what you're talking about.
I also think it's bullsh*t how people think Sasuke defeated Zabuza. The credit really belongs to Kakashi, although Zabuza was killed after he took on the mob and got stabbed multiple time by random members of the mob.
 

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in end of story, Naruto and Sasuke will fight. so if one weak fault certainly not balanced. To counterbalance the power of sage and kyuubi, Sasuke must use eternal Mangekyou ( in part story that the reason to implan his brother's eye )
 

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they may be unfair, but thats just something you gotta deal with buddy. Thats usually how the major 1v1 conflicts go in manga's. The evil one is just an almost untouchable beast, and the good guy has to work his ass off to get on his level and pull out the win. The same thing happened in bleach and more or less in one piece as well. As far as narutos training, of course he will get beaten and have to train. Wouldnt it be boring if he waltzed up to everyone he had to fight and ball tapped them into submission in minutes? on that premise there wouldnt hardly be much of a shippuden because he would have pwnd sasuke at the end of part 1. If anything, there would have been a long movie covering it all.
 

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Oh go cry me a river. geez dude. Sasuke works his ****ing ass off for what he gets, i dont see naruto going around assaulting a building full of kages and shit. All naruto did for sage mode was get covered in oil, sit and get beat over the head by a frog, that, my friend, is unfair.
Are you Sasukes brother or something?
 

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I agree with you man.
1- Naruto train his ass hard to get rasengan, rasen-shuriken ( spelling? ), Sage-mod and last one to get nine-tails chakra ( k mb not so hard the last one...). Bur think little what is the price of uses rasen-shuriken ( if he use it too much will cut his "chakar veins" ), for sage-mod [ he could turn in stone (thank to that little frog for help ) ] and of course for nine-tails chakra again he could lose his body.
2- I never saw Sasuke training so hard ( maybe lightning blade ) or there to be a big price to pay if u can't gain the power for what u train or for overuses...
Sasuke is like "****, i don't have the power to defeat this guy -_- and in next 2 min he gain the power form nowhere".
I want to see Sasuke dead ( I know this will not happen ) or maybe to lose his powers/ability. I say that because he is too arrogant and full of himself.

Ok, I think I got a little too seriously? xD
 
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