Discussion: Sasuke vs Naruto

[MrSharingan]

You basically took each fight out of context and turned it into Naruto's favor via opinion and by discrediting Sasuke. Nothing you said actually supported anything else you said.

In all of those fights Naruto had a clear advantage, if you looked at those fights from square 1 full chakra reservoir/abilities Naruto would have a difficult time winning.

Naruto VS Kakuzu: Naruto came in with 1 jutsu and pretty much Naruto'd him, Kakuzu could have easily gotten around it, after all he did fight the Shodai and lived.
Naruto VS Orochimaru: The battle was interrupted by Yamato pulling the "Sit" card on him, really we don't know who would have actually won. Orochimaru does know how the Four Element Seal works and could have probably sealed the Kyuubi chakra away like he did in the Forest of Death during the Chunin Exams.
Naruto VS Pain: Prior knowledge essentially won the battle, and the fact that Kyuubi came out in full force was really the only reason he lost.

In all of the Naruto VS xxx fights in which he really won it wasn't actually him it was the Kyuubi over powering whoever he was fighting with pure force, no strategy really involved what so ever.

So yes it was probably luck on Naruto's part if you put it into a reality based situation and not in one that Naruto had Main-Character-no-jutsu

Sasuke VS Orochimaru: Yes Orochimaru was half dead but he was doomed to this from the start anyway, regardless of however many bodies he went through they would always start deteriorating because of the Body Transfer Tech and the fact he has half a soul.
Sasuke VS Deidara: Good fight, Sasuke figured out Deidara's weakness from the start and used it against him, Deidara suicide bombing out of desperation is hardly Sasuke "not winning"
Sasuke VS Itachi: Itachi let him win from the start, his goal never was to kill Sasuke it was to awaken his MS and Seal away the Curse Seal and Orochimaru, the fight wasn't even based on the two opponets killing or beating each other, they both had completely different goals.
Sasuke VS Danzo: You really want to say Madara attacking once compares to having to live through an entire fight of Danzo using Izanagi and Sasuke having to chain use his MS abilities in quick succession and then out smarting Danzo with a Tsukiyomi?

Please think about your posts before you post them, it makes you look stupid when you don't.

THANK YOU. and i just want to say for the killer bee fight, that it was pretty much the same scenario as the pain vs naruto fight, and main pain wasnt at full power, neither was sasuke, and both was dealt the task to CAPTURE, not kill the host, which is alot more difficult.

 

[NamkazeNaruto]

You basically took each fight out of context and turned it into Naruto's favor via opinion and by discrediting Sasuke. Nothing you said actually supported anything else you said.

In all of those fights Naruto had a clear advantage, if you looked at those fights from square 1 full chakra reservoir/abilities Naruto would have a difficult time winning.

Naruto VS Kakuzu: Naruto came in with 1 jutsu and pretty much Naruto'd him, Kakuzu could have easily gotten around it, after all he did fight the Shodai and lived.
Naruto VS Orochimaru: The battle was interrupted by Yamato pulling the "Sit" card on him, really we don't know who would have actually won. Orochimaru does know how the Four Element Seal works and could have probably sealed the Kyuubi chakra away like he did in the Forest of Death during the Chunin Exams.
Naruto VS Pain: Prior knowledge essentially won the battle, and the fact that Kyuubi came out in full force was really the only reason he lost.

In all of the Naruto VS xxx fights in which he really won it wasn't actually him it was the Kyuubi over powering whoever he was fighting with pure force, no strategy really involved what so ever.

So yes it was probably luck on Naruto's part if you put it into a reality based situation and not in one that Naruto had Main-Character-no-jutsu

Sasuke VS Orochimaru: Yes Orochimaru was half dead but he was doomed to this from the start anyway, regardless of however many bodies he went through they would always start deteriorating because of the Body Transfer Tech and the fact he has half a soul.
Sasuke VS Deidara: Good fight, Sasuke figured out Deidara's weakness from the start and used it against him, Deidara suicide bombing out of desperation is hardly Sasuke "not winning"
Sasuke VS Itachi: Itachi let him win from the start, his goal never was to kill Sasuke it was to awaken his MS and Seal away the Curse Seal and Orochimaru, the fight wasn't even based on the two opponets killing or beating each other, they both had completely different goals.
Sasuke VS Danzo: You really want to say Madara attacking once compares to having to live through an entire fight of Danzo using Izanagi and Sasuke having to chain use his MS abilities in quick succession and then out smarting Danzo with a Tsukiyomi?

Please think about your posts before you post them, it makes you look stupid when you don't.

yes all of that is true , Both of them had advantage in each battle . but taking into account pain's battle , Naruto's knowledge helped him ... yes but another prior thing would be is that Fox is not kind of Luck or anything . He could have used it a long time ago, He could have gone into a rage while seeing konoha destroyed .Naruto held down his emotions not to let fox take over . The fox is just like the Cursed seal or the Sharingan, People do not learn the jutsu they just obtain it

 

[NamkazeNaruto]

THANK YOU. and i just want to say for the killer bee fight, that it was pretty much the same scenario as the pain vs naruto fight, and main pain wasnt at full power, neither was sasuke, and both was dealt the task to CAPTURE, not kill the host, which is alot more difficult.

Killer fight . You noticed that Sasuke got killed twice ? while the worst case scenario did not take place at Pain vs Naruto fight . Naruto wiped the floor with pain . While Sasuke was wiped , 3 on 1 vs bee and still got owned in the outcome .

 

[NamkazeNaruto]

You basically took each fight out of context and turned it into Naruto's favor via opinion and by discrediting Sasuke. Nothing you said actually supported anything else you said.

In all of those fights Naruto had a clear advantage, if you looked at those fights from square 1 full chakra reservoir/abilities Naruto would have a difficult time winning.

Naruto VS Kakuzu: Naruto came in with 1 jutsu and pretty much Naruto'd him, Kakuzu could have easily gotten around it, after all he did fight the Shodai and lived.
Naruto VS Orochimaru: The battle was interrupted by Yamato pulling the "Sit" card on him, really we don't know who would have actually won. Orochimaru does know how the Four Element Seal works and could have probably sealed the Kyuubi chakra away like he did in the Forest of Death during the Chunin Exams.
Naruto VS Pain: Prior knowledge essentially won the battle, and the fact that Kyuubi came out in full force was really the only reason he lost.

In all of the Naruto VS xxx fights in which he really won it wasn't actually him it was the Kyuubi over powering whoever he was fighting with pure force, no strategy really involved what so ever.

So yes it was probably luck on Naruto's part if you put it into a reality based situation and not in one that Naruto had Main-Character-no-jutsu

Sasuke VS Orochimaru: Yes Orochimaru was half dead but he was doomed to this from the start anyway, regardless of however many bodies he went through they would always start deteriorating because of the Body Transfer Tech and the fact he has half a soul.
Sasuke VS Deidara: Good fight, Sasuke figured out Deidara's weakness from the start and used it against him, Deidara suicide bombing out of desperation is hardly Sasuke "not winning"
Sasuke VS Itachi: Itachi let him win from the start, his goal never was to kill Sasuke it was to awaken his MS and Seal away the Curse Seal and Orochimaru, the fight wasn't even based on the two opponets killing or beating each other, they both had completely different goals.
Sasuke VS Danzo: You really want to say Madara attacking once compares to having to live through an entire fight of Danzo using Izanagi and Sasuke having to chain use his MS abilities in quick succession and then out smarting Danzo with a Tsukiyomi?

Please think about your posts before you post them, it makes you look stupid when you don't.

And furthermost i have to notice that your stbbornness to accept Sasuke's Lucky wins ( except for maybe Danzo) is most annoying . If we look at it this way from a sceptics Side , Naruto Winning Pain was utterly based on the fox , And not Naruto killing all the bodies by himself ( reminding that the Deva's path was allso Rasengan'd ) .Another Naruto - sceptic view . Naruto did not kill kakuzu with one blow it was lucky that he was even alive after missing the Rasen-shuriken the first time . Still he killed him with one blow . If this is what you want , But each fan has to have his prior character .
Another Point of view . Deidara was not killed by Sasuke , Itachi - not killed by Sasuke and Itachi would Demolish him if he wanted . Orochimaru ...... even if he changed 1000 bodies the fact that he was half dead and that was the reason he would loose in the process does not change the fact thatt Sasuke vs Oro was not a fair fight .Sasuke with Danzo , may agree on this one . but still i am very sceptic towards any battle

 

[NamkazeNaruto]

and i do not event want to tlak about Sasuke with Bee , Sasuke would havve died 3 -4 times . If it was not for the Hawk team . You can not kill a tailed beast , It is pure energy . If you go to school you should have learned , Energy-can not be destroyed.There was no chance of sasuke winning even if he had Susanoo .

 

[lvnaruto]

we`ll see i think even

 

[Anub]

And furthermost i have to notice that your stbbornness to accept Sasuke's Lucky wins ( except for maybe Danzo) is most annoying . If we look at it this way from a sceptics Side , Naruto Winning Pain was utterly based on the fox , And not Naruto killing all the bodies by himself ( reminding that the Deva's path was allso Rasengan'd ) .Another Naruto - sceptic view . Naruto did not kill kakuzu with one blow it was lucky that he was even alive after missing the Rasen-shuriken the first time . Still he killed him with one blow . If this is what you want , But each fan has to have his prior character .
Another Point of view . Deidara was not killed by Sasuke , Itachi - not killed by Sasuke and Itachi would Demolish him if he wanted . Orochimaru ...... even if he changed 1000 bodies the fact that he was half dead and that was the reason he would loose in the process does not change the fact thatt Sasuke vs Oro was not a fair fight .Sasuke with Danzo , may agree on this one . but still i am very sceptic towards any battle

Naruto killing all the bodies by himself? What about when the toad helped him? And what about all the info he received on them? That's hardly by himself.

"Deidara was not killed by Sasuke , Itachi - not killed by Sasuke and Itachi would Demolish him if he wanted" - Deidara was not killed by sasuke, but still lost to sasuke. get it ?
And why do mention itachi? Why does ANYONE mention itachi? He wanted to lose that fight. THERE IS NO ARGUMENT THERE, BOTH SIDES AGREE.

You should really take another close look at the fights.

 

[PositiveEmotions]

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[eyesofthekyuubi44]

I'll join in on this battle war.

Naruto vs. Orochimaru- Well, since Sasuke used the Cursed Seal which was given to him by Orochimaru to win, and slowly corrupts his brain at the same time, I don't see how this isn't fair.

Naruto vs. Sasuke-This fight was fair for the most part. I think the ending might have been different had Naruto not decided to hit Sasuke's forehead and Sasuke decided not to hit Naruto's stomach

Sasuke vs. Orochimaru- if Naruto get's the Kyuubi, Sasuke gets the CS. It's fair in this aspect, seeing as they weren't that far off from each other. Orochimaru was in a body that was rejecting him even farther, and even Sasuke stated that the only reason he won was because Orochimaru was weak.

Sasuke vs. Deidara- Very fair, unless you count the fact that Suigetsu was able to summon Manda at the end. It would have been a draw anyway. I'd say it was fair because Sasuke had enough foresight to prepare everything before he went up against Deidara, who caught him off guard.

Naruto vs. Pain-Yes, Naruto had prior knowledge, but keep in mind that Pain was dumb enough to raid Konoha like a stampede of elephants, fight everyone because he thought he could take everyone out (which he pretty much did), then fought Naruto. VERY low intelligence on Pain's part, but then again, Hinata also triggered Naruto's Kyuubi transformation. In a fight by themselves in the middle of nowhere? Pain would likely have defeated Naruto, unless Naruto decided to go Hachibi and have Yondaime stop him, which wouldn't happen.

Sasuke vs. Killer Bee- Whoever said Sasuke "underestimated" Killer Bee is ****ing retarded. Underestimating your opponents in manga nearly ALWAYS leads to an asswhooping. He is going up against the second strongest tailed beast. Yes, he was aiming only to capture, but Killer Bee was beating on Sasuke so bad it wouldn't have mattered, and it appears that Killer Bee did not intend to kill Sasuke either because then he couldn't leave Kumogakure for a "vacation", plus all that compassion shit that makes a brotha vomit.

Sasuke vs. Danzo-Danzo did not have access to his right eye for most of the fight, had Karin figuring out his abilities, and had to conserve chakra in case Madara decided to fight. This was one of the most unfair fights Sasuke had (but a good one nonetheless). He could have put Sasuke in Shisui's ninjutsu, or at least used the Body Flicker technique instead of Izanagi.

Naruto vs. Kakuzu-this battle went in Naruto's favor. I agree.

Sasuke vs. Itachi has been discussed in detail many, many, MANY times. We know that Itachi set it up. Nuff said.

 

[Photon]

Ok look, this about the billionth thread about this fight ive seen even before the time skip. the show is NARUTO, when it comes down to it, when the show is at the final battle with the climax near, something amazing and magical will happen to make the main character win and become glorious. It always does. Now, putting that unfair and bias reality aside. skill wise, sasuke wins this fight. why? Well, as of now we dont know how strong either of them are even in the least, now lets assume that its your typical good guy bad guy showdown. they'll be just about even, thus it come down to the person himself. Now, naruto has guts and he has grown some kind of brain over the past years but he's still soft hearted and ignorant to the person sasuke is now. Now sasuke, is smart, he makes tactics on the fly, analyzes everything to the tiniest detail and has more than enough power to back those things up. He too has alot of guts to not quit anymore, whether thats guts or blind hatred, it doesnt really matter. he's been turned into a pin cushion by bee, had his chest blown off, nearly got devoured by orochimaru, almost got blown to bits by deidara and so many other things yet he still comes out fighting. This is a fight naruto wouldn't win in real life reality, plain and simple

what you forget is that when bee did blow his chest off jugo healed him, he was healed several times in that fight just because a jinchuriki with full control ober a host nearly killed him a couple of times ( the only reason it was nearly dead and not dead was because sasuke had back up and medical ninjutsu users), so now naruto has full control of his biju which is the nine tails why wouldnt he posses the same problem to sasuke? so why would bee kill sasuke but not naruto considering naruto's cloak is more powerfull than bee's?

 

[naruto sennin]

just a gut feeling naruto will win, not a fanboy just a gut feeling. It will be epic filled with times when we think naruto is about to loose but somehow escapes and all the usual fun stuff.

 

[Phemo]

Actually naruto seems to have enough power to demolish sasuke. But due to the fact that naruto wants to save sasuke,he would mostly be defending in a fight. On the other hand sasuke can surpress the tailed fox's power as the fox has earlier said and sasuke has previously done. Sasuke also seems to be able to launch attacks capable of destroying his opponents at once.
I feel itachi's eyes given to sasuke unlocked some unknown possibilities,cos itachi seemed to have a flair for acquiring strange abilities while sasuke has a nack for improving on them,thus proving his genius.
Overall intelligence conquers bruteforce,while sheer will shows determination to never give up. But even the fox appears to be a force for evil,and might end up being sealed for that,afterall why are the treasures being revealed. Lets not forget madara his eye capabilities and kabuto.

 

[Cyborg]

this thread has probably been made thousands of times but i havent seen one in a while so I grew a pair and am ready to face your criticisms.


Alright so we know that sasuke has EMS and will soon awaken some sick powers that no-one knows te true extent yet but I still believe that Naruto is gonna woooooop some ass. I mean he has the kyuubi and as of now through his training with bee can probably control its speed, therefore he has the speed advatnage over sasuke. Along with his kyuubi he has sage mode and combined with the kyuubi cloak theres no telling what powers can come from that. He can also have two clones with sage mode.
Sasuke on the other hand has EMS and is very smart and observant. he has susanoo, amaterasu, and tsukuyomi, as well as that power that no one knows about yet (mentioned by itachi).

So who do you think will win? Naruto (with everyhting hes learned so far) or Sasuke (with EMS and his keen instinct). THANKS

You forgot to add naruto's mysterious powers given to him by itachi.....its just a guess but i think that will be the deciding factor when these 2 fight

 

[lord niijima]

first of all i would like to comment on naruto vs. kakuzu's fight- kakuzu even admitted himself that naruto was also beaten up and this was naruto who was coming straight from training without even a rest. it was just like sasuke after the kage fight. naruto had been training for how long? much longer than it took sasuke to fight the kages and he went to battle straight away. so it wasn't like naruto was full 100% when he met kakuzu.

people refers to naruto using the kyuubi as a cheat or an easy way out but when sasuke uses the cursed seal or sharingan, then it's normal. both of them works just the same way. let sasuke try to suppress the kyuubi's anger and takeover and we will see what will happen. he can easily be corrupted. naruto has to fight whiles always keeping check that he doesn't lose his emotions.

in naruto vs. pain fight, i just want to ask that who thinks that he couldn't have entered kyuubi mode prior to hinata's death or defeat or whatever. naruto just chooses not to use the power of the kyuubi. it's not like it just comes out when naruto is about to die. it's just like how sasuke was using the cursed seal only when he felt the battle was tougher.

also in pain vs. naruto fight, there was no luck there. naruto again came straight from his training with the frogs. he had also used up some amount of chakra.

 

[NamkazeNaruto]

Naruto killing all the bodies by himself? What about when the toad helped him? And what about all the info he received on them? That's hardly by himself.

"Deidara was not killed by Sasuke , Itachi - not killed by Sasuke and Itachi would Demolish him if he wanted" - Deidara was not killed by sasuke, but still lost to sasuke. get it ?
And why do mention itachi? Why does ANYONE mention itachi? He wanted to lose that fight. THERE IS NO ARGUMENT THERE, BOTH SIDES AGREE.

You should really take another close look at the fights.

What ? How pathetic of you . Toad is a summon that Naruto Uses that is not a character . It is as well as saying Sasuke wins due to the help of Susanoo idiot

 

[Lostdreams]

Naruto is light
Sasuke is Dark

To put it simple Light always win specially in Japanese Manga the person who is at peace with the nature and world always wins in the end.

So even if sasuke was stronger Naruto will win...He is Goku(the guy only suppose to be nothing as egate was a prince) or ichigo(who wasnt really suppose to be a reaper)

GOOD GUYS ALWAYS WIN(and this series is called Naruto)

 

[Lostdreams]

Naruto killing all the bodies by himself? What about when the toad helped him? And what about all the info he received on them? That's hardly by himself.

"Deidara was not killed by Sasuke , Itachi - not killed by Sasuke and Itachi would Demolish him if he wanted" - Deidara was not killed by sasuke, but still lost to sasuke. get it ?
And why do mention itachi? Why does ANYONE mention itachi? He wanted to lose that fight. THERE IS NO ARGUMENT THERE, BOTH SIDES AGREE.

You should really take another close look at the fights.

Yeah but those summons were his.
C'mon they're summons and nothing else. Pein was using summons(obviously) and almost every character in this manga uses them.

That's like saying kankuro is winning since he uses puppets or Kiba isn't winning because he uses a dog for jutsu. And to be frank all he used to toads were so he can focus on the actual bodies.

WHO WERE USING SUMMONS!

 

[Mugetsu]

Naruto wins this time. He has devoted himself to become stronger to bring Sasuke home and to defeat anyone who stands in his way. Naruto deserves more than Sasuke does, Naruto achieved power the right way while Sasuke achieved his powers by hate. Naruto will snap off Sasuke's legs like he said in the Valley Of The End. Naruto is stornger than he is at the moment, but with his new and improved eyes Sasuke's gonna become a challenge