TheOrangeSage
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Naruto didn't sense his chakra, and tsunade's slug thing said he was dead, so he had died! Then was brought back to life
Who is this "Tobi" you speak of?
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Okay.... STFU!!
We all know that Tobi has Sharingan, but every time we see his sharingan it's always Activated. and we've never seen him with MS or EMS....
Kakashi and Danzo both are not able to turn off there Sharingan because they are not Uchiha.
So if you F**King think about it, Tobi Is Not of Uchiha Blood, meaning he is not Obito or Madara.
Also he cant be Obito because he fight's the 4th when there are still kids....
so if you still think that he is Obito that you are F**king DUMB!
Benefit of the doubt everyone.......innocent until proven guilty.
Here he(tobi) reveals it himself:
Also, kakashi WAS dead. Here's why:
Took me a while to find that.....but katsuyu detected he was dead.
Here he(tobi) reveals it himself:
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Also, kakashi WAS dead. Here's why:
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Took me a while to find that.....but katsuyu detected he was dead.
He had Senju in him as well, how is him using izanagi prove that it isn't Madara.
Well you can't completely rule out that he is not of Uchiha blood, because almost everytime we saw Itachi his sharingan was activated. He could turn it off, but he kept it on, maybe Tobi does the same thing, never let's his guard down
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Besides, what normal sharingan allows you to suck people into another dimension?? It sure as heck ain't no ordinary eye, and its hilarious that a non-uchiha would train someone like itachi(sry for repeating myself, but some ppl just don't get it).
i think tobi is just madara... but kishimoto called him "tobi" so it would look like obito and it would cause confusion.
Or maybe... tobi is shishui (then the eyes Danzo had where fake)... he and madara hated uchiha-clan and gave Itachi a anonimous tip xd about killin ur best friend for MS, Shishui died, madara uses some stuff, shishui back to life. Hes tobi then and Madara controls behind the scenes.
Or the guy in the coffin could be Shishui Uchiha, (then kabuto lied about finding no Dna) they say he was strong... so maybe thats why madara's scared
Just a tought !
Or maybe... tobi is shishui (then the eyes Danzo had where fake)... he and madara hated uchiha-clan and gave Itachi a anonimous tip xd about killin ur best friend for MS, Shishui died, madara uses some stuff, shishui back to life. Hes tobi then and Madara controls behind the scenes.
Or the guy in the coffin could be Shishui Uchiha, (then kabuto lied about finding no Dna) they say he was strong... so maybe thats why madara's scared
Just a tought !
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There we have it ladies and gentlemen.
It was just easy for everyone to claim Tobi was Obito because the (clearly by purpose) misleading names and eye factors.
What do you mean he didn't die?
That slug thing confirmed he was dead and he was brough back to life by Nagatos jutsu.
And you don't perform a autopsy to confirm if someone is dead. It's used to confirm the cause of death. You know...after someone has died. Would be rather brutal to puncture a knife through your chest and noatice "ooooh he was alive
lets not cut him open anymore."And they don't perform autopsies outside in the dirt.
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Many of you see age as the problem here. Well, he had to be healed before anything happened. A healing of this extent would age the person greatly. Also, ANYONE who receives a Sharingan that is not theres has the same effect as kakashi. Because his left eye was crushed, he would need a new one, explaining all the eyes he has in storage. no need to get angry k?
His right eye was crushed... his left eye is now Kakashi's. (if we're talking about Obito)
You show me anything that proves healing the extent of his damage would not only age him 20+ years, but also make him increase in height.
This is true, in that "Tobi" had two eyes during his fight with Konan. However this can easily be explained in that when fighting the Uchihas alongside Itachi, he could have easily taken another Uchiha eye for himself. It wouldn't probably be as powerful as the original eye which his original mask left open, and would explain why he used that particular eye for sacrifice during his jutsu. I also believe he may have tried to collect Uchiha eyes during that night with Itachi, which would explain that weird wall behind him in his fortress that looked like drawers with metal tags on them. I have no idea if that holds any water at all, but it was an idea that I had.
I'm inclinded to agree with this train of thought. Adding that if Itachi had killed him by Madara's order why wouldn't he have taken his eyes at that time and avoided almost going blind when fighting Sasuke. This would also quell the issue of age as Shishui was old enough and grown enough to fight the forth.i think tobi is just madara... but kishimoto called him "tobi" so it would look like obito and it would cause confusion.
Or maybe... tobi is shishui (then the eyes Danzo had where fake)... he and madara hated uchiha-clan and gave Itachi a anonimous tip xd about killin ur best friend for MS, Shishui died, madara uses some stuff, shishui back to life. Hes tobi then and Madara controls behind the scenes.
Or the guy in the coffin could be Shishui Uchiha, (then kabuto lied about finding no Dna) they say he was strong... so maybe thats why madara's scared
Just a tought !
Kakashi didn't see Obito as he did his father when he died, he merely thought of Obito, Rin, himself, and the Fourth Hokage. Just as he thought about all the genin leaf ninjas. So this point is pretty moot, unless someone wants to try to tell me all the genin of the leaf village were dead too.
So he didn't see Obito dead is my point.
That really doesn't make to much sense actually. To be honest both Danzo and Kakashi kept their sharingan completely covered because it was activated all the time. Tobi didn't, his mask had an eye hole open, so I doubt he ran around blind. Not to mention someone else said that it would be foolish to have a Non-Uchiha train Itachi, this also applies to the fact that if it was someone without Uchiha blood, their knowledge of Uchiha history wouldnt make a whole heck of a lot of sense either.
That is too round about of an answer. For one thing, Madara would tell Itachi about killing a best friend (Shishui) and then Madara would decide to just bring Shishui back to life? And with what jutsu as well? Kabuto, Oro, and the Second Hokage were the only individuals to learn the jutsu to even remotely bring someone back to life using another person as a vessel.
And as far as taking the eyes goes, Itachi may not have known the extent of losing sight when he killed Shishui, as he hadn't really gotten a chance to use MS until after he killed Shishui.
Besides fighting Sasuke was about losing to Sasuke, not about having eyes to help him kill his brother. On top of this Itachi was ravaged by illness, so blindness wasn't all that was affecting him.
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I was saying he died, not that he saw them, he just thought of them right before death, but he did talk to his father in death
You mentioned kakashi and danzo as an explanation for it always being active. however, for both of them it drains their chakra very quickly when they use the sharingan. that's because they are not actually uchiha. tobi does not suffer from this effect when using his sharingan so he must be uchiha.
this is also proof that he can still be uchiha even though it is always active. itachi only ever deactivated his sharingan when he was completely drained of chakra, like when he was fighting sasuke
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or when he just used his ms and didn't want to further go blind, like after using tsukuyomi on sasuke and amaterasu on the frog prison.
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and now as for the original post:
it can't be obito due to the same reason that many people posted regarding the age issues. Obito would have been a young kid during the fox attack if he were still alive. However, tobi had been an adult when he attacked the leaf.
i think that it is madara and will continue to think so until there is strong evidence and proof, that means no speculation garbage, prove otherwise. madara gained the ems, so that alone would make him able to survive.
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he is able to survive, and be an "invincible immortal" because he has an ems. he is still alive because he is immortal but he is a shell of his former self after his fight with the first hokage. This limits his ability to use the full power of his sharingan but does still keep him alive and able to use the time-space jutsu.
the entire argument against madara that you gave to start this thread was based around kabuto's summon. you said it can't be madara based on your assumption that the summon was madara. which until we see the summon, that is huge speculation and a prediction that you can not base any facts off of. there are plenty of shinobi that would scare madara, such as izuna this would scare madara for many reasons:
1. it's his brother. who wants to fight their brother?
2. they were said to be equal in every way, except that madara was older. so now that madara is a shell of his former self, the revived izuna would be stronger than him.
the summon could also be the sage of the six paths or some shinobi that we have never seen before, seeing as many shinobi have been revived that we never heard of, such as ginkaku, kinkaku, gari, paku, the seven swordsmen, and the former kages.
so... i think that just about covers everything