Tobi would not be Madara for a number of reasons. I will be going on the assumption that the body that Kabuto revealed was in fact, Madara, which I will explain later on.
Firstly, if he was Madara then a mask would be irrelevant and it would be better to go around without it because people fear Madara as the first user of the EMS. Secondly, if it was Madara’s spirit inside of another vessel, that would not make sense, since Impure World Resurrection Summons the soul back and you can’t summon what already exists. On top of this, Impure World Resurrection does not summon the original body back, but merely a conduit, for the summoned soul to reside. And I believe that when Kabuto spoke of developing Impure World Resurrection further then Orochimaru, he merely meant the amount of individuals controlled and how they are controlled, and not so much the ability to bring back a real body.
I believe that Kabuto summoned the body of Madara Uchiha as a means to threaten to reveal “Tobi” to not be Madara Uchiha to the villages.
This makes logical sense from the fact that if he was revealed to be a fraud, then although the villages would still take his threat seriously, it would not inspire fear as the name of Madara would. On top of this it is far more likely that Kabuto was able to get DNA from Madara as was done from the First Hokage and Second Hokage then of the Sage of the Six Paths. I believe the idea of a god like character summoned by Kabuto is completely ridiculous. Kabuto would have no reason to fear anyone if this were true, not to mention that if he did control the Sage of the Six Paths then he could go through “Tobi” to get to Sasuke. And yet why would you even want Sasuke, if in fact you have the power to summon an individual with the power of all ninjutsu. I also do not believe that it would be Orochimaru either. Why would “Tobi” have any reason to fear him? Pein himself followed “Tobi”, as well as Itachi Uchiha followed Pein’s orders while in Akatsuki; Orochimaru himself admitted that he was not stronger then Itachi, so following this order of power, Orochimaru is nothing for “Tobi” to fear. Beyond this, any theory that includes a character that has had the Death Reaper Seal used on them is out as well, because those souls should not be able to be resummoned.
A few other things to look into would be that “Tobi” is quoted as saying, “The sharingan’s true power… my power… Uchiha Madara’s power.” Unfortunately this quote is not completely accurate, since the original way Kishimoto used this quote in Japanese, it could be taken as either a direct way of saying that he is Uchiha Madara with his own power, or my power which is Uchiha Madara’s power. However, the use of this split phrasing is only more evidence that Kishimoto made it that way on purpose, in order to leave lingering doubt that “Tobi” could still be Madara.
Beyond this, “Tobi” has never been revealed with MS or EMS, while although it is said that “Madara is a shell of his former self,” his sharingan abilities to warp others into another dimension or transport himself over large distances does in fact indicate that he does have MS to some degree. So why hide the form of his MS at all unless for some specific reason. Many believe that his sharingan is the other sharingan from Obito which explains the similarities between Kakashi’s sharingan and “Tobi’s” in abilities, and how Kakashi was able to obtain MS at all.
So if it is not Madara then who could “Tobi” be? Some believe it to be Obito, while this would make the most sense due to the similarities in the names, MS abilities compared to Kakashi, “Tobi” acting child like originally, the ability to lose body parts with reckless abandonment, hatred towards the ninja populous in general, as well as a surprising character revelation, a number of issues exist with this as well.
A lot of people enjoy saying that it can’t be Obito due to the fact that he was crushed by rocks. However, there are plenty of characters within Naruto that have suffered far worse damage and lived, (ex. Losing arms, destroyed lungs, destroyed hearts etc.) Obito surviving such an incident to me, isn’t really out of the question. However it is the timeline that interferes with Obito potentially being “Tobi”. While although I have not seen a specific timeline that is supported by Kishimoto himself, if any of the timelines I have seen are true, then Obito’s age would interfere with him being “Tobi” and having that much power. Although it is quite possible that if Obito is “Tobi” then he had to have someone rescue him. If this is true, then perhaps along with the rescue, the healing involved some sort of aging effects, or Obito was made older with a fusion of a Zetsu copy or parts of a copy, if the timelines are true, that Obito could be “Tobi”.
The only other character that I can really see as potentially being “Tobi” and still being a dramatic reveal would be Madara’s brother, Izuna. Although the main features of both Madara and Itachi’s stories include Izuna losing his eyes and dying, which I believe makes Izuna a less likely character, since Kishimoto generally enjoys giving readers parts of a story and then showing how his characters fit in, around, the particular story revealed, not really showing the original story presented to be a lie. However if it is Izuna then that would explain his strong fear when presented with Madara from Impure World Resurrection. As well as depleted powers in his sharingan, if his eyes were stolen by Madara. I do see a combination of Izuna and Obito as an explanation working out as well. Since it could be Izuna that takes over Obito, or taking his eye.
Both Izuna and Obito were of the Uchiha clan, so their knowledge of the events within the clan would explain any knowledge of the coup, or knowledge of Madara easily. If it is neither one of these characters then it could possibly be a character not yet revealed, however I find this unlikely because the eventual reveal would not be nearly as dramatic for Kishimoto. Still Mizukage Emertius is what “Tobi” was referred to by Kisame, so this is not completely out of the question.
These are my thoughts though on the whole “Tobi” issue, and I will be interested to see how things develop. I would enjoy any ideas or theories, that could help refine this idea, or even prove some of what is said debatable so I can produce more accurate or interesting theories.
~~Posted in the Blog by Hellistic, and is up for discussion in the forums.Firstly, if he was Madara then a mask would be irrelevant and it would be better to go around without it because people fear Madara as the first user of the EMS. Secondly, if it was Madara’s spirit inside of another vessel, that would not make sense, since Impure World Resurrection Summons the soul back and you can’t summon what already exists. On top of this, Impure World Resurrection does not summon the original body back, but merely a conduit, for the summoned soul to reside. And I believe that when Kabuto spoke of developing Impure World Resurrection further then Orochimaru, he merely meant the amount of individuals controlled and how they are controlled, and not so much the ability to bring back a real body.
I believe that Kabuto summoned the body of Madara Uchiha as a means to threaten to reveal “Tobi” to not be Madara Uchiha to the villages.
This makes logical sense from the fact that if he was revealed to be a fraud, then although the villages would still take his threat seriously, it would not inspire fear as the name of Madara would. On top of this it is far more likely that Kabuto was able to get DNA from Madara as was done from the First Hokage and Second Hokage then of the Sage of the Six Paths. I believe the idea of a god like character summoned by Kabuto is completely ridiculous. Kabuto would have no reason to fear anyone if this were true, not to mention that if he did control the Sage of the Six Paths then he could go through “Tobi” to get to Sasuke. And yet why would you even want Sasuke, if in fact you have the power to summon an individual with the power of all ninjutsu. I also do not believe that it would be Orochimaru either. Why would “Tobi” have any reason to fear him? Pein himself followed “Tobi”, as well as Itachi Uchiha followed Pein’s orders while in Akatsuki; Orochimaru himself admitted that he was not stronger then Itachi, so following this order of power, Orochimaru is nothing for “Tobi” to fear. Beyond this, any theory that includes a character that has had the Death Reaper Seal used on them is out as well, because those souls should not be able to be resummoned.
A few other things to look into would be that “Tobi” is quoted as saying, “The sharingan’s true power… my power… Uchiha Madara’s power.” Unfortunately this quote is not completely accurate, since the original way Kishimoto used this quote in Japanese, it could be taken as either a direct way of saying that he is Uchiha Madara with his own power, or my power which is Uchiha Madara’s power. However, the use of this split phrasing is only more evidence that Kishimoto made it that way on purpose, in order to leave lingering doubt that “Tobi” could still be Madara.
Beyond this, “Tobi” has never been revealed with MS or EMS, while although it is said that “Madara is a shell of his former self,” his sharingan abilities to warp others into another dimension or transport himself over large distances does in fact indicate that he does have MS to some degree. So why hide the form of his MS at all unless for some specific reason. Many believe that his sharingan is the other sharingan from Obito which explains the similarities between Kakashi’s sharingan and “Tobi’s” in abilities, and how Kakashi was able to obtain MS at all.
So if it is not Madara then who could “Tobi” be? Some believe it to be Obito, while this would make the most sense due to the similarities in the names, MS abilities compared to Kakashi, “Tobi” acting child like originally, the ability to lose body parts with reckless abandonment, hatred towards the ninja populous in general, as well as a surprising character revelation, a number of issues exist with this as well.
A lot of people enjoy saying that it can’t be Obito due to the fact that he was crushed by rocks. However, there are plenty of characters within Naruto that have suffered far worse damage and lived, (ex. Losing arms, destroyed lungs, destroyed hearts etc.) Obito surviving such an incident to me, isn’t really out of the question. However it is the timeline that interferes with Obito potentially being “Tobi”. While although I have not seen a specific timeline that is supported by Kishimoto himself, if any of the timelines I have seen are true, then Obito’s age would interfere with him being “Tobi” and having that much power. Although it is quite possible that if Obito is “Tobi” then he had to have someone rescue him. If this is true, then perhaps along with the rescue, the healing involved some sort of aging effects, or Obito was made older with a fusion of a Zetsu copy or parts of a copy, if the timelines are true, that Obito could be “Tobi”.
The only other character that I can really see as potentially being “Tobi” and still being a dramatic reveal would be Madara’s brother, Izuna. Although the main features of both Madara and Itachi’s stories include Izuna losing his eyes and dying, which I believe makes Izuna a less likely character, since Kishimoto generally enjoys giving readers parts of a story and then showing how his characters fit in, around, the particular story revealed, not really showing the original story presented to be a lie. However if it is Izuna then that would explain his strong fear when presented with Madara from Impure World Resurrection. As well as depleted powers in his sharingan, if his eyes were stolen by Madara. I do see a combination of Izuna and Obito as an explanation working out as well. Since it could be Izuna that takes over Obito, or taking his eye.
Both Izuna and Obito were of the Uchiha clan, so their knowledge of the events within the clan would explain any knowledge of the coup, or knowledge of Madara easily. If it is neither one of these characters then it could possibly be a character not yet revealed, however I find this unlikely because the eventual reveal would not be nearly as dramatic for Kishimoto. Still Mizukage Emertius is what “Tobi” was referred to by Kisame, so this is not completely out of the question.
These are my thoughts though on the whole “Tobi” issue, and I will be interested to see how things develop. I would enjoy any ideas or theories, that could help refine this idea, or even prove some of what is said debatable so I can produce more accurate or interesting theories.
My thoughts:
Izuna is out of the question. I believe in this because if he was living, Madara could never have gotten the EMS. Obito, however, I see as very realistic option, even though we've seen him die. It could be seen easily as he is never seen fighting "realistically" and not in a foolhardy manner :flaw: , possibly as he does not want to hurt the leaf. That would also explain why there was a connection that Kakashi couldn't quite see between him and this mysterious "Tobi" figure. That could also explain how he got access to the village during the crisis, however the gap stays that he released the tailed beast. However, he does not wear the Cat mask seen during the incident. The one eyed mask can simply be explained as he did not want to give away the loss of an eye after using the forbidden dojutsu :no_ignore: . xd I will keep you updated. Bye!!
Izuna is out of the question. I believe in this because if he was living, Madara could never have gotten the EMS. Obito, however, I see as very realistic option, even though we've seen him die. It could be seen easily as he is never seen fighting "realistically" and not in a foolhardy manner :flaw: , possibly as he does not want to hurt the leaf. That would also explain why there was a connection that Kakashi couldn't quite see between him and this mysterious "Tobi" figure. That could also explain how he got access to the village during the crisis, however the gap stays that he released the tailed beast. However, he does not wear the Cat mask seen during the incident. The one eyed mask can simply be explained as he did not want to give away the loss of an eye after using the forbidden dojutsu :no_ignore: . xd I will keep you updated. Bye!!
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