KinGin Bro's VS Itachi Uchiha

[Professor Sarutobi]

but we dont know how smart the Kin Gin are. we assume they arent that smart but why? they staged a coup detat against the Leaf and Cloud.. dummies cant organized a plan to over through to of the strongest villages.. it takes brain.. sure they may seem simple but they are very dangerous..

well they didn't succed so the coup could have gone better lol but we don't even know their plan it could have been, Hey we are the ****ing KIN GIN BROS we should be running this shit! *tries to kill the raikage/hokage* (not saying that was really the coup attempt)

they are the most notorious criminals in the Cloud history books.. you can even say that the Kin Gin bros are the "Itachi's" version of the Cloud.. but when they were mentioned Raikage immediatly recognized that they were summoned and he's been pissing his pants for 2 chapters now..

I wouldn't compare itachi to the bros lol.

Itachi was more of a spy/hired killer type of criminal while they seem to just be attacking things and stealing to get more powerful like a gang, trying to kill 2 kages at once(at a treaty signing on top of that), try to catch the 9tails, stole the 4 weapons, a coup attempt. Itachi killed his clan because they were going to try a coup and start a war, KinGin (seem) to have started a war out of a peaceful event.

Itachi had danzo scared for so long he didn't touch sasuke untill 16 years later, itachi was dead and then only when he was acting hokage and the cloud was demanding his head already. But raikage is scared because they have 9tails power and are ruthless thug types, Danzo was scared because itachi would leak village secrets to other villages and probably lead to the invasion of the leaf, more espionage kind of threats.

they are both ruthless and dangerous but in very different ways.

they were able to go agaisnt the 9tails, absorb large amounts of its chakra and live way past longer than the average person could.. people are not even seeing that as a big deal which is sad because Raikage himself said they are the equivalent of monsters, non humans, being tainted with 9tails chakra is "another story though".. basically even without 9tails they'd still be a very big issue..

True, im leaning towards my 2nd scenario where they were born with large chakras like kisame and were dangerous to begin with and crossed the monsters threshhold after the fox encounter.

we cannot compare them to the retard characters of the story.. did Hidan, or Deidara put the 2nd Hokage in the verge of death? could Itachi even do that? and they arent even loud characters.. Hidan and Deidara were loud characters. the Kin Gin dont brag about their powers or nothing.. everybody else are doing that for them while being scared sensless (Samui, Raikage) the Kin Gin bros seem very laid back, relaxed and confident.. not loud..

btw they tell each other what they are doing cuz its called comunication.. teamwork.. they are a notorious tag team and the way they fight has allowed them to go toe to toe with even 2nd Hokage and 2nd Raikage..

whos the strongest person Itachi has fought? has Itachi ever fought a Kage?

Hidan and kazuka caught the 2tails and killed 2 of the 12 guardian shinobi was about as impressive as he got, almost killing kakashi before being split up. Deidara although in a cheating way, defeated and caught Gaara while he was kazekage, Itachi beat deidara in seconds and deidara would be dead if they hadn't been there to force him into joining akatsuki, he was about to kill himself with a clay bomb he hadn't even realized itachi put him under a genjutsu untill sasori told him.

i agree they aren't loud like hidan and they are a tag team and have to comm in someway seems to be following the theme of pro wrestler ninjas from the cloud (Raikage/bee)

idk if itachi would kill the 2nd hokage but one on one is when hes the most lethal and the 2nd isn't famous for anything related to genjutsu, we don't know what his space-time moves are or if he was even willing to use edo tensei, so it'd basicly be could tobirama make a strong enough and fast enough water jutsu to kill itachi (or w/e his space/time jutsu is combined with water) while avoiding his counterattacks and not looking at his face or fingers, which id assume hes had alot of practice at not looking at eyes since him and the 1st were mortal enemys with the uchihas for how many years.

but he did beat orochimaru (kage level power) and deidara (beat gaara,kazekage) with one genjutsu so he could go toe to toe with most if not all the kages. (not at once lol)

weilding the weapons does not mean they have the same amount of chakra as Itachi. the Kin Gin have beast level chakra.. characters that we know that have have enormous amounts of chakra like that are jinchurikis, Kisame and Raikage and now the Kin Gin are one of them.. Itachi's chakra level comes nowhere close to theres ever. Kakashi once said that Naruto, with 9tails chakra added to his own has 100 times more chakra than he does. Kakashi has average amount of chakra. Itachi's chakra is average also.. Itachi's power doesnt lie in stamina (matter fact Itachi has horrible stamina especially after using MS).. his powers lies in his eyes which deteriorates over time..

anyways even with the Kin Gin weapons using their chakra thats like anyother jutsu being used by Itachi.. takes up massive chakra.. but thing is Kin Gin has 100 more times of chakra they can spare than Itachi does.. Itachi is not winning a long drawnout match..

yeah that seemed like a bad attempt to compare their chakra levels and stam where itachi is at a huge disadvantage.

on your links i mentioned alot you already said.. Itachi was at 30 percent and could not use MS agreed. Kakashi said do not look at the eyes like he said the first fight but in the second fight he added something else tou failed to mention.. he told Naruto, Sakura and Chiyo to focus on his body and feet.. big difference from the first fight.. in the first fight Kakashi had said to completely close their eyes (correct me if im wrong)..

also Kakashi did not fall for any genjutsu attacks.. he used his clones as decoys.. big difference when he fought Itachi the first time.. even if it was full percent Itachi, Kakash iwas not falling for the same attack twice. Itachi noted that even after one fight Kakashi had learned alot and was way more prepared..

Chiyo wasnt talking about normal genjutsu users she was talking about how to fight a Uchiha.. though Itachi is a Uchiha in a league on his own cuz he has MS.. and i already admitted MS Tsukiyomi cant be cancelled.. Sasuke Tsukiyomi sucks compared to Itachi but despite that Sasuke eat Itachi's genjutsu..

Yeah kakashi actually learns from his fights which we don't know if KinGin do or that they would have a chance to learn how to fight him properly like kakashi did. (not sure why you guys ended up fighting over kakashi when hes nothing like the bros lol)
and you already know im one of the disbelivers that sasuke actually beat tsukiyomi since it didn't look anything like when others were affected by it before but we don't need to get into that rutt again lol.

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anyways wheres my proof Itachi can cast Tsukiyomi on more than one person at a time? also all the times we have seen Itachi use Tsukiyomi have been once per battle.. same case for Sasuke as well..

Itachi used it once fighting Kakashi
used it once fighting Sasuke and failed

Sasuke used it once fighting Bee and failed
used it once on Shi
used it once on Danzo

for all we know the Tsukiyomi can only be used once per battle.. we all know there limits and number of times powerful jutsus can be used at a time.. at the time Kakashi fought Deidara he could only use Kamui 3 times. at the chunnin exams Sasuke was only able to use chidori 2 or 3 times.. Naruto when he fought Pain could only use Rasenshuriken twice in sage mode.. we have only seen Tsukiyomi being used once per battles so that may be the limit..

Itachi by chance catches one of the bros with Tsukiyomi.. his chakra is severly drained and he still has another tailed beast level bro who can wield the ultimate treasures to fight.. Itachi chances of beating Kin Gin tag team is low..

sasuke used it twice on danzo, genjutsu with MS at the end to make him see a fake open eye and what was stated to be a weak tsukiyomi to make him see itachi. and he didn't use it at all in the raikage fight he still had normal sharingan and used normal genjutsu on shi

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starts charging it.

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is affected by the genjutsu


Bee got out of it because the 8tails could break him out of the weak version by messing with his chakra.
His limit seems to be 3 MS moves a fight like kakashi, he used tsukiyomi on kakashi then left then later when they found naruto and sasuke attacked him he used tsukiyomi on him once again, then used amaterasu to get through the toad stomach before having to turn off sharingan. and used 1 tsukiyomi on sasuke then 2 amaterasus back to back when they fought outside (one to stop the fireball, closed his eye then opened it again to chase sasuke with it)

and they are just as likely to be fooled by normal genjutsu as anyone else unless the other bro knocked him out of it he could be fooled into attacking his partner or a bomb crow clone.

Sorry for all the walls of text i can't sleep and didn't have any other interesting threads to read lol

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

i ment the other half of the s6op seal dude either that naruto might get a new scroll

i doubt it but anythings possible

 

[Stampy]

lol when they are wielding those weapons they have the same amount of chakra or even less than itachi because the weapons suck up large amount of chakra continuously. The longer they use those weapons the more chakra they are going to loose

We have seen just how many times itachi can use his MS powers even with already dying eyes since he had used them a lot previously and don't forget he was sick. Yes, a tsukiyomi will drain itachi but this won't be enough to make him lose the fight. The only one who was able to defeat itachi's full tsukiyomi was sasuke.

When kakashi had naruto's help, it was a fake itachi with 20 percent of itachi's power.

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he couldn't use his MS at that moment

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^this is when he notices

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they only used 30 percent of their real power.

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kakashi says the same thing again to everyone not to look into his eyes. It's the same thing he said when he first encountered kakashi

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Here kakashi says there is no way of canceling the effects of a MS genjutsu.

The old lady was talking about a normal genjutsu user.

Even sasuke with MS genjutsu doesn't reach itachi's level of genjutsu.

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here danzou explains that susake's genjutsu is no where near to itachi's level of ms genjutsu which can control the length of the illusion and everything.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT ?! Sasuke did NOT BEAT ITACHI'S FULL TSUKOYOMI YO!!!! WAKE UP!!! A full blown tsukoyomi turns colors around, the guy caught can't move anymore and it just lasts 1-3 sec in the real world for 72 hours of pain in the genjutsu.... In the fight during Itachi vs Sasuke, Zetsu made a comment like : why aren't they moving an inch?! Implying it takes more than 3 sec.... Itachi meant for Sasuke to beat him, it just WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED if he had hitted him with a full blown Tsukoyomi!!! It was staged!
I am sooooooo mad people still think (even at this point of the manga) that Sasuke beated Itachi's Tsukoyomi! This is pathetic!

 

[yondaimeminato]

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT ?! Sasuke did NOT BEAT ITACHI'S FULL TSUKOYOMI YO!!!! WAKE UP!!! A full blown tsukoyomi turns colors around, the guy caught can't move anymore and it just lasts 1-3 sec in the real world for 72 hours of pain in the genjutsu.... In the fight during Itachi vs Sasuke, Zetsu made a comment like : why aren't they moving an inch?! Implying it takes more than 3 sec.... Itachi meant for Sasuke to beat him, it just WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED if he had hitted him with a full blown Tsukoyomi!!! It was staged!
I am sooooooo mad people still think (even at this point of the manga) that Sasuke beated Itachi's Tsukoyomi! This is pathetic!

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^what else do you want? or do you also need me to explain things?

 

[Anub]

........................lol great arguements.. especially "I'm going to the toilet Kinkaku" lol

but we dont know how smart the Kin Gin are. we assume they arent that smart but why? they staged a coup detat against the Leaf and Cloud.. dummies cant organized a plan to over through to of the strongest villages.. it takes brain.. sure they may seem simple but they are very dangerous..

they are the most notorious criminals in the Cloud history books.. you can even say that the Kin Gin bros are the "Itachi's" version of the Cloud.. but when they were mentioned Raikage immediatly recognized that they were summoned and he's been pissing his pants for 2 chapters now..

they were able to go agaisnt the 9tails, absorb large amounts of its chakra and live way past longer than the average person could.. people are not even seeing that as a big deal which is sad because Raikage himself said they are the equivalent of monsters, non humans, being tainted with 9tails chakra is "another story though".. basically even without 9tails they'd still be a very big issue..

we cannot compare them to the retard characters of the story.. did Hidan, or Deidara put the 2nd Hokage in the verge of death? could Itachi even do that? and they arent even loud characters.. Hidan and Deidara were loud characters. the Kin Gin dont brag about their powers or nothing.. everybody else are doing that for them while being scared sensless (Samui, Raikage) the Kin Gin bros seem very laid back, relaxed and confident.. not loud..

btw they tell each other what they are doing cuz its called comunication.. teamwork.. they are a notorious tag team and the way they fight has allowed them to go toe to toe with even 2nd Hokage and 2nd Raikage..

whos the strongest person Itachi has fought? has Itachi ever fought a Kage?



weilding the weapons does not mean they have the same amount of chakra as Itachi. the Kin Gin have beast level chakra.. characters that we know that have have enormous amounts of chakra like that are jinchurikis, Kisame and Raikage and now the Kin Gin are one of them.. Itachi's chakra level comes nowhere close to theres ever. Kakashi once said that Naruto, with 9tails chakra added to his own has 100 times more chakra than he does. Kakashi has average amount of chakra. Itachi's chakra is average also.. Itachi's power doesnt lie in stamina (matter fact Itachi has horrible stamina especially after using MS).. his powers lies in his eyes which deteriorates over time..

anyways even with the Kin Gin weapons using their chakra thats like anyother jutsu being used by Itachi.. takes up massive chakra.. but thing is Kin Gin has 100 more times of chakra they can spare than Itachi does.. Itachi is not winning a long drawnout match..

on your links i mentioned alot you already said.. Itachi was at 30 percent and could not use MS agreed. Kakashi said do not look at the eyes like he said the first fight but in the second fight he added something else tou failed to mention.. he told Naruto, Sakura and Chiyo to focus on his body and feet.. big difference from the first fight.. in the first fight Kakashi had said to completely close their eyes (correct me if im wrong)..

also Kakashi did not fall for any genjutsu attacks.. he used his clones as decoys.. big difference when he fought Itachi the first time.. even if it was full percent Itachi, Kakash iwas not falling for the same attack twice. Itachi noted that even after one fight Kakashi had learned alot and was way more prepared..

Chiyo wasnt talking about normal genjutsu users she was talking about how to fight a Uchiha.. though Itachi is a Uchiha in a league on his own cuz he has MS.. and i already admitted MS Tsukiyomi cant be cancelled.. Sasuke Tsukiyomi sucks compared to Itachi but despite that Sasuke eat Itachi's genjutsu..

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anyways wheres my proof Itachi can cast Tsukiyomi on more than one person at a time? also all the times we have seen Itachi use Tsukiyomi have been once per battle.. same case for Sasuke as well..

Itachi used it once fighting Kakashi
used it once fighting Sasuke and failed

Sasuke used it once fighting Bee and failed
used it once on Shi
used it once on Danzo

for all we know the Tsukiyomi can only be used once per battle.. we all know there limits and number of times powerful jutsus can be used at a time.. at the time Kakashi fought Deidara he could only use Kamui 3 times. at the chunnin exams Sasuke was only able to use chidori 2 or 3 times.. Naruto when he fought Pain could only use Rasenshuriken twice in sage mode.. we have only seen Tsukiyomi being used once per battles so that may be the limit..

Itachi by chance catches one of the bros with Tsukiyomi.. his chakra is severly drained and he still has another tailed beast level bro who can wield the ultimate treasures to fight.. Itachi chances of beating Kin Gin tag team is low..

1. they staged an attack, but did they accomplish anything? Naruto changed so many people just by talking to them. Is he smarter than Itachi?

2. nobody knows is they actually fought the ninetails before getting eaten or did they just charged towards the ninetails and got eaten just like that. The part with Raikage being so edgy was because, yes, the hidden cloud history has them as notorious criminals. But tell me this: did raikage ever meet the bros? Or did he just hear legends? Cause for all we know most of it is just a legend and their reputation sets the standard too high for them. To be honest I wasn't impressed because Darui, who we can assume is slower than Itachi, was able to cut one of the brothers' arms and if they weren't in the edo tensei, one of the would have been killed there and then.

3. They don't seem relaxed. That they don't. They seem overconfident. And you don't know the story of how they left tobirama on the verge of death. For all we know Tobirama was in a fight beforehand. Or Tobirama didn't develop his space-time jutsu yet. At what point of his life was be almost defeated? Konoha beileves that Itachi killed his clan all by himself. Is that true?

4. They didn't go toe to toe. That attempt failed.

5. Strongest person Itachi fought was sasuke/naruto. Right now they surpass kage level . But they didn't then, however, Itachi fought the likes of shisui, deidara, kakashi and so on and didn't have ANY problems winning.

6. I'm confused... you're saying kakashi's chakra is average and then saying itachi's chakra is average. But I always knew that Itachi had more chakra than Kakashi... And he does... Also the fact that his eyes deteriorate should now be a reason in this fight because nothing will happen to him from fighting once.

7. Where does it say that their chakra is 100 times more than Itachi's? I gather you said this because you think Itachi = Kakashi and Naruto = KinGin. REALLY? They are tainted with the ninetails chakra, they don't have it's full chakra. They were in its stomach and got out and took a little part of its chakra. They most likely have the same amount of chakra as Kisame, if not less.

8. Kakashi was ready for their second fight, but also... think about it... did Itachi use his MS? No. He used the normal sharingan and normal attacks.

9. Tsukyiomi was most likely used more than once when Itachi attacked all of the uchiha. He most likely used it at least once when he fought then and used it again when sasuke came home that night.

10. Why is his chakra severly drained after using tsukyiomi? Let's go back to facts: Itachi used genjutsu a lot + tsukyiomi vs sasuke, then he used taijutsu and then ninjutsu including amaterasu (A LOT of it) and then he used susano'o. And this was all when Itachi was sick. And also for all we know he gave naruto part of his powers and he also gave sasuke part of his powers. And that was Itachi at his weakest we've seen him. Itachi at full power wouldn't get tired from using 1 tsukyiomi that is a certainty.

EDIT: Lol at yondaimeminato saying that Sasuke defeated Itachi's full tsukyiomi. That might have been a fan-fiction, because the way I see it, if Itachi PLANNED to lose the battle, he definitely wouldn't use a full tsukyiomi unless he knew sasuke was stronger. Sasuke wasn't stronger and that's why we see a weak version of the tsukyiomi, so that sasuke can break out by using some chakra. Itachi's plan from the beginning was to get orochimaru to come out and to give sasuke MS. Don't forget that

 

[yondaimeminato]

1. they staged an attack, but did they accomplish anything? Naruto changed so many people just by talking to them. Is he smarter than Itachi?

2. nobody knows is they actually fought the ninetails before getting eaten or did they just charged towards the ninetails and got eaten just like that. The part with Raikage being so edgy was because, yes, the hidden cloud history has them as notorious criminals. But tell me this: did raikage ever meet the bros? Or did he just hear legends? Cause for all we know most of it is just a legend and their reputation sets the standard too high for them. To be honest I wasn't impressed because Darui, who we can assume is slower than Itachi, was able to cut one of the brothers' arms and if they weren't in the edo tensei, one of the would have been killed there and then.

3. They don't seem relaxed. That they don't. They seem overconfident. And you don't know the story of how they left tobirama on the verge of death. For all we know Tobirama was in a fight beforehand. Or Tobirama didn't develop his space-time jutsu yet. At what point of his life was be almost defeated? Konoha beileves that Itachi killed his clan all by himself. Is that true?

4. They didn't go toe to toe. That attempt failed.

5. Strongest person Itachi fought was sasuke/naruto. Right now they surpass kage level . But they didn't then, however, Itachi fought the likes of shisui, deidara, kakashi and so on and didn't have ANY problems winning.

6. I'm confused... you're saying kakashi's chakra is average and then saying itachi's chakra is average. But I always knew that Itachi had more chakra than Kakashi... And he does... Also the fact that his eyes deteriorate should now be a reason in this fight because nothing will happen to him from fighting once.

7. Where does it say that their chakra is 100 times more than Itachi's? I gather you said this because you think Itachi = Kakashi and Naruto = KinGin. REALLY? They are tainted with the ninetails chakra, they don't have it's full chakra. They were in its stomach and got out and took a little part of its chakra. They most likely have the same amount of chakra as Kisame, if not less.

8. Kakashi was ready for their second fight, but also... think about it... did Itachi use his MS? No. He used the normal sharingan and normal attacks.

9. Tsukyiomi was most likely used more than once when Itachi attacked all of the uchiha. He most likely used it at least once when he fought then and used it again when sasuke came home that night.

10. Why is his chakra severly drained after using tsukyiomi? Let's go back to facts: Itachi used genjutsu a lot + tsukyiomi vs sasuke, then he used taijutsu and then ninjutsu including amaterasu (A LOT of it) and then he used susano'o. And this was all when Itachi was sick. And also for all we know he gave naruto part of his powers and he also gave sasuke part of his powers. And that was Itachi at his weakest we've seen him. Itachi at full power wouldn't get tired from using 1 tsukyiomi that is a certainty.

EDIT: Lol at yondaimeminato saying that Sasuke defeated Itachi's full tsukyiomi. That might have been a fan-fiction, because the way I see it, if Itachi PLANNED to lose the battle, he definitely wouldn't use a full tsukyiomi unless he knew sasuke was stronger. Sasuke wasn't stronger and that's why we see a weak version of the tsukyiomi, so that sasuke can break out by using some chakra. Itachi's plan from the beginning was to get orochimaru to come out and to give sasuke MS. Don't forget that

couldn't have said it better myself 1 through 10

you just forgot to mention that these kin gin brothers do not have their full chakra as long as they are wielding those weapons that drain incredible amount of chakra that it would be enough to kill a normal human.

OK, itachi didn't probably really put any effort to stop sasuke from stopping his tsukyiomi. If itachi would have put an effort not to let sasuke stop his tsukyiomi, it would have caused a mental break down from which sasuke wouldn't have been able to recovered. I will admit that itachi didn't use his full tsukyiomi, maybe i shouldn't have gone as far as to say sasuke stopped his "full" tsukyiomi.

 

[Shodaime]

They both has sealing technique, if itachi pulled out susanoo i dont think they'll be able to touch him and it will be impossible for them to attack him head to head

 

[lord niijima]

really? itachi will win against the kingin bros? now i like itachi and he is one of my favorite characters but there are things that are not possible for even the great itachi. lol..

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

really? itachi will win against the kingin bros? now i like itachi and he is one of my favorite characters but there are things that are not possible for even the great itachi. lol..

because the fox food bros are just invincible right

 

[Download]

it would be a hard fight but i say itachi because he can get them i some genjutsu and they will get their ass kicked

 

[PositiveEmotions]

i doubt it but anythings possible

thiink about it dude how many scrolls did naruto get of all those scrolls probably contained the s6op seal

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

thiink about it dude how many scrolls did naruto get of all those scrolls probably contained the s6op seal

hes used 3 scrolls, one to learn multi shadow clone and one to reverse summon his clones and the last to get his key to the seal.

im sure he'll end up being the 2nd coming of the sage in someway but it just seems weird to think of him having rinnegan or sharingan lol

 

[PositiveEmotions]

hes used 3 scrolls, one to learn multi shadow clone and one to reverse summon his clones and the last to get his key to the seal.

im sure he'll end up being the 2nd coming of the sage in someway but it just seems weird to think of him having rinnegan or sharingan lol

it may be weird but like u said anything possible but as u stated tho all those 3 scrolls he got were pretty powerful dude think about it he even slowed crows scroll and a frog for all we know any of those things can unlock the half of the other s6op seal

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

it may be weird but like u said anything possible but as u stated tho all those 3 scrolls he got were pretty powerful dude think about it he even slowed crows scroll and a frog for all we know any of those things can unlock the half of the other s6op seal

crows scroll? yeah the frog was some kind of living scroll but thats frogs and natural energy which wouldn't even be made by the sage the frogs discovered it.

 

[lord niijima]

because the fox food bros are just invincible right

lol.. i'm not saying that they are invincible. but you itachi fans should at least acknowledge his limits. he's not some invincible god who wrecks havoc anywhere he goes and strike terror in his enemy's heart. he's just a strong smart dude who happens to possess the sharingan. and that does not make him unbeatable. people automatically think that he can wipe the floor with everybody that he fights. now i'm not over rating the kingin bros but the information is there for everyone to see regardless their character. they are strong, no doubt about that. and some people saying that itachi would win ina matter of minutes are just being biased and overly blinded.

 

[PositiveEmotions]

crows scroll? yeah the frog was some kind of living scroll but thats frogs and natural energy which wouldn't even be made by the sage the frogs discovered it.

not crow scrolls i jst ment the scroll it self dude but maybe the scroll that naruto swallowed still contains the other half of the s6op

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

lol.. i'm not saying that they are invincible. but you itachi fans should at least acknowledge his limits. he's not some invincible god who wrecks havoc anywhere he goes and strike terror in his enemy's heart. he's just a strong smart dude who happens to possess the sharingan. and that does not make him unbeatable. people automatically think that he can wipe the floor with everybody that he fights. now i'm not over rating the kingin bros but the information is there for everyone to see regardless their character. they are strong, no doubt about that. and some people saying that itachi would win ina matter of minutes are just being biased and overly blinded.

no that would be minato fans lol. at the same time Itachi isn't just an average strong smart dude, but people forget that because he died (in a thrown fight that he planed years ahead of time) and hasn't been the center of attention for a long time now. you know who is just a strong smart dude who happens to posses the sharingan, kakashi.

Of course he has limits I in no way think he could defeat Pain (and to a lesser degree minato or madara) im sure guy would give him a serious run for his money and possibly win depending on gates used and this isn't his best situation for itachi since its 2 on 1 but we havn't been shown the bros whole fight we are at the middle where they are established as threats whos weakness hasn't been found and explioted yet so yeah they look powerful compared to alot of characters for now.

but him winning in a matter of minutes is one his fighting styles hes done it to several kage-level enemies already (deidara,orochimaru,kakashi) and he beat 2 of them with non-MS genjutsu and hospitalized kakashi with MS, the kingin don't have sharingan like he does either.

 

[lord niijima]

no that would be minato fans lol. at the same time Itachi isn't just an average strong smart dude, but people forget that because he died (in a thrown fight that he planed years ahead of time) and hasn't been the center of attention for a long time now. you know who is just a strong smart dude who happens to posses the sharingan, kakashi.

Of course he has limits I in no way think he could defeat Pain (and to a lesser degree minato or madara) im sure guy would give him a serious run for his money and possibly win depending on gates used and this isn't his best situation for itachi since its 2 on 1 but we havn't been shown the bros whole fight we are at the middle where they are established as threats whos weakness hasn't been found and explioted yet so yeah they look powerful compared to alot of characters for now.

but him winning in a matter of minutes is one his fighting styles hes done it to several kage-level enemies already (deidara,orochimaru,kakashi) and he beat 2 of them with non-MS genjutsu and hospitalized kakashi with MS, the kingin don't have sharingan like he does either.

and you think that pain, madara and minato are the only ones who can deafeat itachi? the story being focused on konoha makes people to think that konoha ninja's are automatically stronger than the ninja's of other villages. as someone stated earlier, the kingin bros can be like the the itachi of the hidden cloud village.

and you think that itachi can win against them in amatter of minutes because he defeated who? [deidara, orochimaru and kakashi?]. lol.. now that's bold of you. well, if you are talking about kage-level ninja's then rest assured that the kingin bros actually took on two kages and not kage-level ninja's and left one on the brink of death. they were strong enough to try to capture the kyuubi [although they got swallowed. lol..] by the way what i meant was that they were strong and confident enough to actually think and do that. they must be strong without their weapons too. but people think that it's because of the weapons that make them powerful. hell! without the sharingan the uchiha's don't mean s**t too. the weapons just allows them to complete their task easily and more quickly than they would with their natural power. what happened when the nine tailed fox attacked the village? they were all waiting for the return of minato. these guys put the 2nd hokage on the brink of death. now that's gotta mean something right unless you also think that itachi could also defeat the 2nd hokage.

also the kingin bros lived during the waring time where mostly all the clans were at war with each other until they adopted the one hidden village per nation style stared by the 1st hokage. because of this they must have known about the uchiha's, their sharingan and probably the MS since that's the only thing that made people to fear the uchiha clan. so they must have some knowledge on the sharingan.

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

and you think that pain, madara and minato are the only ones who can deafeat itachi? the story being focused on konoha makes people to think that konoha ninja's are automatically stronger than the ninja's of other villages. as someone stated earlier, the kingin bros can be like the the itachi of the hidden cloud village.

not the ONLY ones but they have the best chance of anyone short of the so6p imo. any of the kages stand atleast 50% or better im just saying itachi isn't outclassed that easily.

and you think that itachi can win against them in amatter of minutes because he defeated who? [deidara, orochimaru and kakashi?]. lol.. now that's bold of you. well, if you are talking about kage-level ninja's then rest assured that the kingin bros actually took on two kages and not kage-level ninja's and left one on the brink of death.

yeah they took them on and didn't kill either one, deidara could have killed gaara (dirty fight i admit) and orochimaru could take on and kill kages himself and succed unlike kingin (they ambushed the 2 kages and failed to kill either one as far as we know, oro ambushed the 4th kazekage but atleast he actually killed him, and forced the 3rd hokage to kill himself to stop the invasion.) and kakashi has been nominated for hokage and was literally seconds away from being the 6th hokage, so does beating those 3 with a blink of an eye make him weaker then the kingin?

they were strong enough to try to capture the kyuubi [although they got swallowed. lol..] by the way what i meant was that they were strong and confident enough to actually think and do that. they must be strong without their weapons too. but people think that it's because of the weapons that make them powerful. hell! without the sharingan the uchiha's don't mean s**t too. the weapons just allows them to complete their task easily and more quickly than they would with their natural power. what happened when the nine tailed fox attacked the village? they were all waiting for the return of minato. these guys put the 2nd hokage on the brink of death. now that's gotta mean something right unless you also think that itachi could also defeat the 2nd hokage.

well thinking they could capture him and being able to are entirely different, madara thought he was going to defeat the 4th and destroy the leaf but he got a rasengan to the back and a new future mortal enemy instead.
well untill they actually use a jutsu thats not the weapons we can't tell what makes them powerful, itachi and sasuke still were the best of their age group and didn't use sharingan untill they were out of school (itachi grad at age 7 and mastered sharingan at 8, sasuke didn't know he had sharingan untill they fought haku) they were both very smart and strong the eyes help but itachi could still weave hand seals so fast non sharingan eyes (the bros in this case) will think hes instantly casting ninjutsu and teleporting behind them when he moves.

the Uchiha weren't shown helping to fight the fox at all which is why they were accused of being behind the attack, the sharingan controls the 9tails and they weren't out there fighting.
im pretty sure 2nd hokage doesn't =4th hokage, all the hokage's aren't the same the 4th could probably beat the 2nd as well. id be impressed if KinGin could bring the 3rd (prime) or 4th to the brink of death since they were both stated being stronger then the 1st or 2nd and the 2nd hasn't been noted with teleporting-level speed (one of itachi's strong suits that i was arguing let him beat them so fast)

also the kingin bros lived during the waring time where mostly all the clans were at war with each other until they adopted the one hidden village per nation style stared by the 1st hokage. because of this they must have known about the uchiha's, their sharingan and probably the MS since that's the only thing that made people to fear the uchiha clan. so they must have some knowledge on the sharingan.

that is not the only reason the uchiha's were feared

"The Uchiha were famous for their powerful chakra, exceptionally strong techniques, and natural aptitude for anything combat-related. The clan possessed a proficiency in fire jutsu, having created several and using them more skillfully than any other. Their signature jutsu was the Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique. Clan members were not recognized as adults by the rest of the clan until they could successfully use this jutsu. The Uchiha were also highly known for their mastery of ninja tools. They themselves invented many shuriken move sets which required the use of thin metal wires, one example being the Windmill Triple Blades technique."

the sharingan was the main reason they became the other top clan in the era, only ones who could take on the senju but they were combat hardended warriors with or without their KG.

im sure they know what it is, but so did kakashi and he actually uses it rather then them so he should have been even more ready then with whatever knowledge they might have.

 

[Hot.Tendo]

why in hell is there a thread for every character battle?! U_U

ugh... Itachi got my vote...