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Pain VS Itachi.. Who Would Win?!?!?


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Itachi will own with Susanoo and the sword that can seal anything and the shield that cant be broken... plus Genjutsu..
Pain unleashes Chibaku Tensei and rapes Itachi...

Tsukoyomi won't work on the paths who have no conscience.
Amaterasu will be absorbed by Hungry realm.

Itachi will be overwhelmed by summons , missiles , lasers and CT

Pain takes this.
 

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Pain unleashes Chibaku Tensei and rapes Itachi...

Tsukoyomi won't work on the paths who have no conscience.
Amaterasu will be absorbed by Hungry realm.

Itachi will be overwhelmed by summons , missiles , lasers and CT

Pain takes this.
Here's a person who clearly didn't read the previous arguments

Itachi's genjutsu affects the eyes + all of the pains' vision is connected, including Nagato's + unlike Gai, Nagato's strategy relies heavily on eye-sight when in battle = Itachi traps ALL of the pains if he traps one, including Nagato and even if the other pains are not affected, Nagato is affected.

Unless anyone thinks that Nagato is immune to the strongest genjutsu user known in the naruto universe, stop claiming that "Pain ownz Itachi" please. Thank you

EDIT: one more thing... Itachi is much smarter than Nagato. "why" you ask ? well, because Nagato was defeated by a child like naruto. And intelligence matters in a fight (refer to shikamaru vs hidan)
 
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lmao you guys are still arguing???? looks like yall didnt read the last arguments, we agreed that it could go either way because we just dont know! they are both epic, and thats that. yall can stop now because now ya'll are sounding like noobs compare to the arguments we had in the early post's (no offense to none of you)
 

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lmao you guys are still arguing???? looks like yall didnt read the last arguments, we agreed that it could go either way because we just dont know! they are both epic, and thats that. yall can stop now because now ya'll are sounding like noobs compare to the arguments we had in the early post's (no offense to none of you)
No offense taken because I as well (if you check) suggested we should end this thread and leave it like that, knowing that both Itachi and Pain can win. But if a new guy comes along and pretends he knows a clear winner I feel the need to step in. I would gladly close this topic.
 

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I think you forgot THE key element: Chibuka Tensei.
yes that is a key jutsu.. strong enough to trap the 10 tails in the moon.. Sasuno is not defending such a jutsu

Welcome Back.
1) Rinnegan is more Powerful than the MS
2) 6 on 1. Naruto took out all 6 with SM with the help of Katsyu (slug) about their powers. Jiraiya took out the first three pains he encountered. Itachi can probably do the same since he is smarter (than naruto), and probably stronger(than J man). Deducing each power and how to defeat each one.
3) Even so, with the MS I think Itachi can deduce each Path easily. Nagato would probably do the same to Itachi.
lol thax

1. agreed
2. Naruto is an exception. Sage, Toads and previous intel on Nagato helped him extremely in defeating Pain. Naruto was well prepared to face Pain. Jiraiya wasnt prepared but managed to beat 3 and capture 1 more. Itachi is extremely smart but he doesnt have Sage mode or Toads that helped Jiraiya and Naruto do well against Pain. im not saying Sage and toads is the only way to beat Pain but just explaining what aided Naruto and Jiraiya, Itachi doesnt have access.. so we cant measure how Itachi would do by comparing him to Naruto or Jiraiya.
3. yes with MS he can deduce each Pain. not easily. like i said he'd take out a few but he's still more likely to lose.

this thread sucks donkeys @ss.....
This is a no brainer still u people are fighting over it
if itachi was stronger then he would be the leader of akatsuki...
simple as it is ...
well i dont think the thread sucks but i value your opinion. also i like your arguement. short, simple and to the point

Well if you didn't go through all the arguments how can you say that pain has the best ones? I'm pretty sure I mare some strong arguments for Itachi, which from a logic point of view work quite well in his favor.
i did not read all the arguements but i read most of them for both Itachi and Pain. i read yours and they were not as good as the arguements made for Pain. logic is not what you deem it as and it is also subjective when talking about stuff like this.
 

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Itachi.

No one knows his full potential seeing as he was so sick. Imagine if he were healthy? I mean he was in that ANBU at what? 12?
 

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I think Akamaru would own them both so then what's the point of this debate ? :\ next thread
lol i didnt mean that subjective..

but im not saying Pain would destroy Itachi or "own" him.. im saying Itachi has a greater chance of winning.. Itachi does has a chance of winning too but he has more of a chance of losing.. just my opinion..

the majority of people who voted though thinks otherwise..

but yea this thread is overdone...
 

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lol i didnt mean that subjective..

but im not saying Pain would destroy Itachi or "own" him.. im saying Itachi has a greater chance of winning.. Itachi does has a chance of winning too but he has more of a chance of losing.. just my opinion..

the majority of people who voted though thinks otherwise..

but yea this thread is overdone...
Wasn't referencing you when I said that akamaru owns them both it's just that I wanted to see if people would to prove that pain's chibaku tensei and itachi's susano'o are stronger than akamaru's dynamic marking after I said that he owns them :)) But his dynamic marking never misses and he can bite Itachi and Pain so it's a close fight
 

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It all depends on how powerful susano'o really is...if it can stand up against all of the paths of Pain's attacks particularly the Deva Path and the one that absorbs ninjutsu. If it can stand up to all of that then Itachi can win, otherwise he'd end up being defeated.
 

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It all depends on how powerful susano'o really is...if it can stand up against all of the paths of Pain's attacks particularly the Deva Path and the one that absorbs ninjutsu. If it can stand up to all of that then Itachi can win, otherwise he'd end up being defeated.
It can definately stands against all paths of pains. Just not Chibuka Tensei. Why do all Itachi fans ('xcept me of course) always skip that one tech?!
 

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Pain unleashes Chibaku Tensei and rapes Itachi...

Tsukoyomi won't work on the paths who have no conscience.
Amaterasu will be absorbed by Hungry realm.

Itachi will be overwhelmed by summons , missiles , lasers and CT

Pain takes this.
Itachi uses his god shield to block Chibaku Tensei... Seals 3 pains with one swoop with his sealing sword thing...

black fire on all summons and missiles...

another swoop and seals the rest...

Pain fails...


now dont get me wrong I like Nagato and Itachi equally... but it seems every move Nagato dose is taking a toll on his life...

all Nagato has is pure power...

Itachi is a first class shinobi... Im sure he has more to show us then what the manga has released
Pain =>:no_ignore:<= Itachi
Pain =>:flaw:<= Itachi
Nagato=>:hug:<= Itachi "ooh we both hate "Madara"
 

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Itachi uses his god shield to block Chibaku Tensei... Seals 3 pains with one swoop with his sealing sword thing...

black fire on all summons and missiles...

another swoop and seals the rest...

Pain fails...


now dont get me wrong I like Nagato and Itachi equally... but it seems every move Nagato dose is taking a toll on his life...

all Nagato has is pure power...

Itachi is a first class shinobi... Im sure he has more to show us then what the manga has released
Pain =>:no_ignore:<= Itachi
Pain =>:flaw:<= Itachi
Nagato=>:hug:<= Itachi "ooh we both hate "Madara"
Well how can the God shield protect him from ALL SIDES? (chibuka tensei surrounds the target in a giant ball of rocks... and it keeps coming.... I don't say it would be crushed... I'm saying it doesn't last forever... When the jutsu ends... what would he do?

"black fire on all summons and missiles..."
Yeah you right.... oh this missile comes towards me, why don't I just set it up with black flames so it kills me faster? .... I think his best bet is to avoid it.

And the sword needs to PIERCE, not swing through to seal... although a good swing on the wrong pain prevents him from bringing them back anyways. Still... Chibuka Tensei.

Oh and lol ? Every move Nagato makes seems to take a toll on him? Naaaaa overusage of its power weakens him of course (much like an athlete or a fat boy that pukes after overexasizing)... But other than that he is fine... Itachi on the other end... was not so lucky.
 

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Sorry if this point has already been brought up as i just skimmed through the thread, But couldn't Itachi burn through Chibaku Tensei with Amaterasu to escape? Itachi uses it to burn through one of the toads stomachs previously. What is stopping him through burning through Chibaku Tensei which just looks like highly compressed Earth, correct? I am guessing Itachi can use Susano to block himself from getting crushed until he can burn a way through, such as a hole straight down. Zetsu says it can burn anything (or from his knowledge he says this in chapter 389)

Thats even if he gets caught in the Chibaku Tensei.

Also considering that Jaraiya and Itachi's stats in the data book are tied. i would say Itachi would have to be able to take out at least as many as Jaraiya, if not more.
 

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Well how can the God shield protect him from ALL SIDES? (chibuka tensei surrounds the target in a giant ball of rocks... and it keeps coming.... I don't say it would be crushed... I'm saying it doesn't last forever... When the jutsu ends... what would he do?

"black fire on all summons and missiles..."
Yeah you right.... oh this missile comes towards me, why don't I just set it up with black flames so it kills me faster? .... I think his best bet is to avoid it.

And the sword needs to PIERCE, not swing through to seal... although a good swing on the wrong pain prevents him from bringing them back anyways. Still... Chibuka Tensei.

Oh and lol ? Every move Nagato makes seems to take a toll on him? Naaaaa overusage of its power weakens him of course (much like an athlete or a fat boy that pukes after overexasizing)... But other than that he is fine... Itachi on the other end... was not so lucky.
Chibaku Tensei.

and Itachi would have a hard time escaping it but it's not impossible. one example: itachi (because he isn't sick) might be able to keep susano'o long enough for amaterasu to burn through the rock that surrounds him. We do know that amaterasu is stronger than regular fire and was able to break jirayia's toad technique (whatever it's called). So I'm guessing if the flames are able to burn something like that, a few rocks wouldn't be a challenge.
 

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ha ha ha you two guys posted the same argument at the same time :)
Yup why not ? I got nothing against it after all, but you guys have to admit it, he would be a pretty easy target after that escape, not that Pain would be just as strong as before ChibAkU tensei thx for spelling :)
 

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Well how can the God shield protect him from ALL SIDES? (chibuka tensei surrounds the target in a giant ball of rocks... and it keeps coming.... I don't say it would be crushed... I'm saying it doesn't last forever... When the jutsu ends... what would he do?

"black fire on all summons and missiles..."
Yeah you right.... oh this missile comes towards me, why don't I just set it up with black flames so it kills me faster? .... I think his best bet is to avoid it.

And the sword needs to PIERCE, not swing through to seal... although a good swing on the wrong pain prevents him from bringing them back anyways. Still... Chibuka Tensei.

Oh and lol ? Every move Nagato makes seems to take a toll on him? Naaaaa overusage of its power weakens him of course (much like an athlete or a fat boy that pukes after overexasizing)... But other than that he is fine... Itachi on the other end... was not so lucky.
everything you have said is your point of view...

now lets use some manga facts...


A weapon carried by Susanoo, which is claimed to provide one of the highest defenses ever seen in the series, increasing the Susanoo's already formidable defenses to a higher level. The Yata Mirror is a one of the three legendary treasures, and being endowed with all nature transformations, it can change its own characteristics depending on the characteristics of the attack it receives.[1] As such, it is able to block all attacks. Zetsu claimed that this, combined with the Sword of Totsuka, essentially made Susanoo invincible.



The Sword of Totsuka is a variant of Orochimaru's Sword of Kusanagi. Along with the Yata Mirror, the Sword of Totsuka is a weapon carried by Susanoo that exists only in the user, being made up of chakra. Contained in a gourd held by Susanoo's third fore arm, the blade is actually the liquid inside the gourd that is released and shaped, rather than a conventional sword.
Itachi has been seen using it to slash several targets at high speed, when he severed seven of the heads of the Eight Branches Technique with several swings.

This sword can also function as a sealing device. When a target is pierced by this sword, the user need only draw them back into the gourd that serves as a hilt which will keep the victim(s) sealed in an eternal genjutsu, as seen during Itachi's final battle against Orochimaru.


yes this was copy and pasted from the links provided...



Nagato was an extraordinarily powerful shinobi, and recognized as the most powerful member of Akatsuki. It has been noted at several points in time that Nagato possessed an unusually large amount of exceptionally strong chakra, to the point of after he decimated Konoha and fought Naruto Uzumaki, he still had enough strength to revive all of the people he had killed in Konoha. His partner, Konan, had stated that he had never lost a single battle, and that he is "unbeatable".[9] Even Fukasaku stated that without understanding Pain's power, no one could beat him.[10] Madara even noted that Nagato was invincible while praising Jiraiya.[11] Nagato even defeated Jiraiya with ease, after revealing all six of his bodies. Nagato attributes his ability to defeat Jiraiya to the secret of his Six Paths of Pain, stating he might not have won if Jiraiya knew the secret to his techniques. It wasn't until his fight with Naruto that he encountered an opponent capable of matching him, and Zetsu expressed disbelief that Nagato could be defeated even in a weakened state.[12]



using Amaterasu would blow the missile up not cove them in fire... here say we cant prove that it would blow up the missile or cover it in fire...

if chibuka tensei is used then Itachi will come out it unharmed as Susanoo and the Yata_Mirror would keep him safe and the rocks would pile up around it... not harming Itachi...

The Sword of Totsuka is made from a liquid form... so Itachi could fire 6 blades from inside the gourd that is released and shaped, rather than a conventional sword.

Even at a young age, Itachi's intellect and talent showed their brilliance in everything he did... he would figure out what each pain can do in a heart be...

Ma and Pa Toad was able to use a genjutsu on Pain... why cant Itachi?


Amaterasu is the highest level Fire Release technique,[2] and according to Zetsu, one of the most powerful ninjutsu in existence. The jet-black flames of the Amaterasu, said to be the fires from hell that are as hot as the sun, ignite at the focus of the user's vision...


also all the jutsu's Nagato used put a delay in him using it again... Itachi would wipe him out when this happens... also to use Almighty push to its full effect one Pain will be used...

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Now Nagato/Pain will have a swarm of summons coming at him which might be enough to keep Itachi busy for a while... The Preta Path could drain up one of Itachi's ninjutsu... but then Itachi will know he is the one whom can drain chakra... one Pain dies... The Naraka Path will bring him back to life... Itachi will know that's his power...




Itachi would fight like an athlete
Nagato would fight like a fat boy that pukes after over exercising

U_UU_UU_U


now if you reply to this please VM me the link on my profile as I will not really notice...
 
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I voted for pain.

There have been made tousands of arguments for both sides already. Most of the people came to the conclusion that it will depend on fighting time, chakra and stamina. So we can't say for 100% sure.

Most of the arguments have been covered by facts from the manga or like the guy above from the narutowiki page. But be careful with narutowiki! Not everything there is true!! Like on the normal wikipedia page.

So there is one thing I would like to add. I rarely post on this forum. It seems that the overall age of a lot of people which post here regulary is 10 or even below. I am so tired of this sharingan, MS bla bla bla Uchiha Uchiha Uchiha....... For me Itachi is the only respectful sharingan user up to now. And I like his character. But have all the Itachi supporter forgotten about the BLINDNESS!!! Itachi was half blind already. Some of you think that Itachi can just spam MS jutsus without consequences. Yeah right:). Someone said, that we saw how fast sasuke was going almost blind. And Itachi was using the MS far longer. So what about pain?? Is the user of the rinnegan going blind too?? The answer is no. So Itachi is handicaped before the fight even starts. The rinnegan is the most unique occular jutsu. The Sage of the six paths had the rinnegan too. And pain has more chakra too. In the end itachi would be blind or overexhausted!! With EMS it's a different story. It's hard to land attacks if you are half-blind or even blind isn't it?

So please stop overrating the MS! A power which makes you blind can't compete with the rinnegan! That's that.
 
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