How did Kakashi obtained his MS ?!

[Stampy]

Why could Ms level dojuitsu be copied; because another MS Dojuitsu Ameratsu is able to be implanted/transfered. Ameratsu.

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I disagree with that. The whole reasoning is based on real evidence, but how you put them together makes no sense.
Maybe a doujutsu can be copied, but I'd say it would be for a different reason than that.

 

[ReLax -]

MS Techs. cannot be copied. If that was the case than a sharingan would be able to copy anything (thundergod, death seal, space/time) but it can't it's only able to copy pacific jutsus. When Kakashi tried copying Naruto resengan shurikin he could'nt even keep up with it despite him being called the copy cat ninja. When a tech. gets transfered/implanted it's different compared to those jutsu's being copied. If thats the case Kakashi should just copy all Sasuke tech. in a battle. MS techs. cannot be copied by ninjas with sharingan it's simple. If that was also the case why didn't majority of Uchiha's copy Shisui eye? he was known to take over peoples mind without even looking at them (With just his sharingan). Tobi was even after Shisui eye and he was around if he wanted could've copied that tech since he's a skillful ninja and his an amzing sharingan. I could be wrong but as of right now I don't personally think MS tech could be copied.

I'm sorrry If i missed anything you said and interpreted anything wrong. I wrote this in a hurry. I know I didn't show you proof backing my info but I shouldn't have to for this matter.

 

[Stampy]

MS Techs. cannot be copied. If that was the case than a sharingan would be able to copy anything (thundergod, death seal, space/time) but it can't it's only able to copy pacific jutsus. When Kakashi tried copying Naruto resengan shurikin he could'nt even keep up with it despite him being called the copy cat ninja. When a tech. gets transfered/implanted it's different compared to those jutsu's being copied. If thats the case Kakashi should just copy all Sasuke tech. in a battle. MS techs. cannot be copied by ninjas with sharingan it's simple. If that was also the case why didn't majority of Uchiha's copy Shisui eye? he was known to take over peoples mind without even looking at them (With just his sharingan). Tobi was even after Shisui eye and he was around if he wanted could've copied that tech since he's a skillful ninja and his an amzing sharingan. I could be wrong but as of right now I don't personally think MS tech could be copied.

I'm sorrry If i missed anything you said and interpreted anything wrong. I wrote this in a hurry. I know I didn't show you proof backing my info but I shouldn't have to for this matter.

There you go... Shisui's technique surely is a Doujutsu... no one in the uchiha clan copied it. Why? Cause its not copyable... therefore MS is not either. So Kakashi did not copy Itachi's MS I therefore take it off the list of possibilities.

 

[shadedcrow]

I really am done trying to teach debate structure and rules while proving a point that still hasn't been refuted with proof. I don't care anymore think and beleive and debate how ever makes gets you by in the world. Good eve and good eh...

 

[ReLax -]

Not to be rude in any way shadedcrow

But none of your evidence/proof had back up your theory on sharingan being able to copy any jutsu except KG. All i've seen is not being able to copy KG and than transfer/implant which has nothing to do with copying take Danzou as example he implanted Uchiha shusui arm just to be able to use his mind controlling eye tech.

 

[Stampy]

LoL he'll be back.

 

[PositiveEmotions]

well kakashi stated that the sharingans are able to copy ninjutsus

 

[PositiveEmotions]

than have hand seals of course

 

[The_Empire]

Well everyone says Obito wasn't Kakashi's friend. That isn't true, Obito was Kakashi's best friend and he relieazed that when Obito died. Also I think Kakashi found the stone tablet that shows how to get the MS but Kakashi probably learned a new way to get his MS. It has to do with him making that hand sign, so we know it is a jutsu to unlock the MS but we don't know what jutsu.



Also no i didnt read all those posts.

 

[Cryptismo]

Sasuke Uchiha awakened his Mangekyō Sharingan after learning the truth about his brother, Itachi. In his grief over the knowledge that Itachi was not the villain he imagined him to be, coupled with Sasuke's role in Itachi's death, he awakens his Mangekyō Sharingan.

Kakashi Hatake developed his own Mangekyō Sharingan during the time-skip. How he developed this is still unclear.

The Mangekyō Sharingan is acquired through the death of the person closest to the Sharingan user. To expedite this occurrence, Uchiha throughout history have killed their closest friends in order to meet this criteria, though how Kakashi gained his Mangekyō Sharingan has yet to be explained. To obtain the Mangekyō Sharingan, one must feel the emotion of losing a friend or family, as merely killing them or watching them die will not activate it.

Obviously, killing your best friend doesn't seem to be the only way forward in order to gain the Mangekyō. Hard-struck grief seems to be Sasuke's method of achieving this (Itachi remaining as family; deep down he loved him to an extent) which can also be pointed towards Kakashi as he doesn't seem to be the type to kill off a fellow ninja--he'd have been punished for it by this point anyway, surely. If killing was involved, it seems reasonable that Kakashi's hand was forced.

The Sharingan alone CANNOT mimic and copy other bloodline techniques. The blatant example being Kakashi's comment on Haku's own Kekkei Genkai. The inability to copy other bloodlines apply to that of Sharingan levels too, otherwise Sasuke could have obtained the Mangekyō at a much earlier stage, as well as the fully-matured three tomoe Sharingan when he encountered Itachi at the hotel.

 

[Inception]

Alight Ill try my best to keep it short sweet and litteral. As I'm the one staing the claim that MS dojuitsu can be copied by somone with the correct Sharingan because its not a blood line limited style of juitsu. So in order to keep from talking out my ass and keep my theory valid I have the burden to show proof of my theory. So the who,how,where,when,and why now are mine to prove. And if you want to disprove any theory the who,how,where,when,and why, are now your burden to discredit/disprove with evidence to give your statements credit/merit.

With my burden I'll litteraly prove the diffrence between dojuitsu(eye abilities that come from a type of eye) and Kekkei Genkai(limit of the blood/element release) .

So dojuitsusdefinition-eye ability. Not in the mood to find the manga translation but used in context. Part of the MS dojuitsu is the technique Kamui.
Kekkei Genkai definition/ translation- limit of the blood. Used in context by Kakashi saying its a type of juitsu that USES two types of nature chakra that are called element releases and why he cant copy Element release techniques with Sharingn dojuitsu.

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the who: Kakashi uses Kamui a MS dojuitsu.
the what. Kamui a MS is dojuitsu not a MS ELEMENT because there isnt a MS ELEMENT CHAKRA
the where. Is when Kakashi copys the technique and uses it.
where and when it could have been copied

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Where MS level dojuitsu are useb is when he uses Kamui.
Why could Ms level dojuitsu be copied; because another MS Dojuitsu Ameratsu is able to be implanted/transfered. Ameratsu.

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Theres the who what where when and why AS simply as i could state them with sources.

I've stated my burden of evidence in support of my theory. To disprove my theory and proof you need to submit your own burden of evidence. This is how you logicly state evidence and debate.

like i said, i'm done explaining why MS can't possibly be copied. This is enough to disprove your theory: no one in the manga has anyone stated that a Sharingan can copy a Kekkei Genkai. If it could be copied then why weren't they copied by other Uchihas during the time of Madara's reign? He ruled over Uchihas for a bit even after he obtained his EMS. Also if Kakashi did copy Tsukiyomi, why can't he use Tsukiyomi? Why is it Kamui, it's not even a genjutsu... The answers u gave me are not valid, refer to my old post. Until proven otherwise, your post is just a theory and nothing else; a mere speculation.

u posted ur theory (a hypothetical statement) here and its obvious that u will get ppl here trying to disprove it.

 

[Cryptismo]

Why could Ms level dojuitsu be copied; because another MS Dojuitsu Ameratsu is able to be implanted/transfered.

Over time, use of the Mangekyō Sharingan's techniques deteriorates the user's eyesight to the point of blindness. Only by taking and transplanting the eyes of a sibling can the vision be restored, a process that results in the creation of the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan

Quite frankly, as Sasuke already had his Sharingan, it meant him viable to use the Mangekyō if he were to meet the requirements. Itachi's Mangekyō was temporarily transferred and was to activate when the criteria Itachi had set were reached. Why is it that Sasuke doesn't have Itachi's Mangekyō shape when he uses his own version otherwise?

Likewise, the transferring of eyes was PASSED onto Sasuke from Itachi. How does that explain any form of intentional copying? You can see it more of a jutsu Itachi uses upon Sasuke rather than a mimic, henceforth it's Itachi's Sharingan shape that appears when the Amaterasu was used on Madara.
If that's not enough, look at the above quote--another family member needs to be involved for a successful transfer: Madara from Izuna, Sasuke from Itachi. Itachi was merely able to set the 'jutsu' in place as Sasuke is his brother, and thus it wouldn't have worked with any other individual--Sasuke didn't copy Itachi's Mangekyō afterwards either (after seeing it previously, and now experiencing it firsthand), he only awakened his own version after learning the truth.

The Mangekyō Sharingan is an advanced level of the Sharingan itself, and not a completely derivation from it. Since the Sharingan can't be copied, neither can the techniques it uses. Lastly, Kakashi would have easily copied Itachi's Mangekyō when he too experienced it, but he didn't, and instead only awakened his own version during the timeskip.

 

[black uchiha]

Madara and his bro both killed their brothers to obtain it, nothing to do with war.

@Black Uchiha: No it does not copy all techs it has been said in the manga.

wen did dat happen???

It is funny how at of all that wall texting you fail to point out the one part where both Madara and his brother elevate to MS to take leadership of the Uchiha Clan, Madara even uses his MS too much WITHIN the clan that he becomes blind, also his brother uses it AS WELL. THEN Madara takes his brother's eyes and still uses it until Hashimara becomes Hokage at which point he flees the village into exile....
Now excuse me for saying but 1)I think that is PLENTY of times for any other Uchiha to copy the MS if it was possible....



Now I don't know what you said in point 5, but 2)Madara and Izuna both killed their best friends to elevate to MS, Also Sasuke got MS from killing his bro, not Naruto. Cause with Madara's explanations he understood that he had killed the person who cared the most about him.

1)yes it was but look below
2)again wen did dis happen...and he did not kill him (just saying)


now i have skimed thru all yall post but what i was saying was kakashi got it by seeing it used..now its basic info dat da sharingan copies and track movement..right?... now when someone uses ms there eye changes from 3tomoes to what it is (movement) so dis is what i was saying was being copied...not da tech it self but as far as copy'n bloodlines da ms is still a sharingan..meanning it is da bloodline so it should be able to copy it being dat it is (basically)what its copying..

now imo in order to copy it it has to be used on u (#1 above) back wen madara and bro hade it i dout day used it on der clansman...also like i said before kakashi copied it while (in his mind) in another world witch gave him him ms power, and its look from itach's...

but its all just what i think not asking anyone to ride with me on dis but it is not known how he got it and dis makes da most sense to me him beng da copy ninja in all

 

[Stampy]

wen did dat happen???


1)yes it was but look below
2)again wen did dis happen...and he did not kill him (just saying)


now i have skimed thru all yall post but what i was saying was kakashi got it by seeing it used..now its basic info dat da sharingan copies and track movement..right?... now when someone uses ms there eye changes from 3tomoes to what it is (movement) so dis is what i was saying was being copied...not da tech it self but as far as copy'n bloodlines da ms is still a sharingan..meanning it is da bloodline so it should be able to copy it being dat it is (basically)what its copying..

now imo in order to copy it it has to be used on u (#1 above) back wen madara and bro hade it i dout day used it on der clansman...also like i said before kakashi copied it while (in his mind) in another world witch gave him him ms power, and its look from itach's...

but its all just what i think not asking anyone to ride with me on dis but it is not known how he got it and dis makes da most sense to me him beng da copy ninja in all

See, if NarutoVsGoku had argued the way you did, I wouldn't have had a problem with his theory at all, and I wouldn't have spent much time thinking about it.
But copying movement like you said, in this case, the pupills movement as it takes shape, why not? But then why does he have his own shape. Now feel free to think it is the case, I will think otherwise

 

[Mockingbird]

kakashi's best friend is guy which is obviously alive. no one knows how he got his MS. i remember him focused and like meditating during his and narutos battle with deidara. thats the first time i saw his MS

ok guy is his rival not his best friend.
Obito is his best friend, and Obito is deceased. who knows how he got it? id like to know too.

 

[Mockingbird]

Well everyone says Obito wasn't Kakashi's friend. That isn't true, Obito was Kakashi's best friend and he relieazed that when Obito died. Also I think Kakashi found the stone tablet that shows how to get the MS but Kakashi probably learned a new way to get his MS. It has to do with him making that hand sign, so we know it is a jutsu to unlock the MS but we don't know what jutsu.



Also no i didnt read all those posts.

im going to go with what you said.

 

[ReLax -]

well kakashi stated that the sharingans are able to copy ninjutsus

Yes, but there is certain jutsu's that can be copied not all ninjutsu especially ones that require preparation to start with (MS Techs: you need MS activated to use) can't be copied. Thats why he could copy stuff like Chidori, Resengan, Gai/Lee combo and etc. In other words why wouldn't Itachi copy all his MS techs. and that way he wouldn't have to use MS and go blind? It's just not possible

like i said, i'm done explaining why MS can't possibly be copied. This is enough to disprove your theory: no one in the manga has anyone stated that a Sharingan can copy a Kekkei Genkai. If it could be copied then why weren't they copied by other Uchihas during the time of Madara's reign? He ruled over Uchihas for a bit even after he obtained his EMS. Also if Kakashi did copy Tsukiyomi, why can't he use Tsukiyomi? Why is it Kamui, it's not even a genjutsu... The answers u gave me are not valid, refer to my old post. Until proven otherwise, your post is just a theory and nothing else; a mere speculation.

u posted ur theory (a hypothetical statement) here and its obvious that u will get ppl here trying to disprove it.

Lol I think you got him wrong their he knows MS can't copy KG but they can copy anything else which he's pretty much stating

 

[AMystery]

I just thought it was because he had "taken" Obito's eye.... and because it is someone elses eye he doesn't (shouldn't) go blind when using it.

 

[Inception]

Lol I think you got him wrong their he knows MS can't copy KG but they can copy anything else which he's pretty much stating

Nah I understand what he is trying to say. His theory is; normal Sharingan is able to copy MS. He's saying Kakashi copied Itachi's Tsukiyomi which made him learn MS. Kamui is related to Itachi's Tsukiyomi because of the Space-Time Dimensional thing.. Funny because Tsukiyomi is just an illusion where-as Kamui is a physical jutsu.

Sharingan can't copy any Kekkei Genkai techniques and Mangekyou Sharingan's Tsukiyomi is a Kekkei Genkai. Sharingan in itself is a bloodline limit. It's been stated and proven.

wen did dat happen???

Been stated twice that Madara took his brother's eyes. Itachi said Madara forcefully took it while Madara claims that his brother volunteered to give his eyes up.

1)yes it was but look below
2)again wen did dis happen...and he did not kill him (just saying)

your #2 is asking where it states that Madara/ Izuna killed their friends in order to get MS. Itachi confirmed this and so has Madara.

now i have skimed thru all yall post but what i was saying was kakashi got it by seeing it used..now its basic info dat da sharingan copies and track movement..right?... now when someone uses ms there eye changes from 3tomoes to what it is (movement) so dis is what i was saying was being copied...not da tech it self but as far as copy'n bloodlines da ms is still a sharingan..meanning it is da bloodline so it should be able to copy it being dat it is (basically)what its copying..

now imo in order to copy it it has to be used on u (#1 above) back wen madara and bro hade it i dout day used it on der clansman...also like i said before kakashi copied it while (in his mind) in another world witch gave him him ms power, and its look from itach's...

but its all just what i think not asking anyone to ride with me on dis but it is not known how he got it and dis makes da most sense to me him beng da copy ninja in all

i get what you're saying but if MS can really be copied, there would be no point to Madara or Uchiha or even Itachi. I don't see how it makes sense either. If obtaining MS was this easy then there's no point of cursed Uchiha history. Remember the Uchihas even turned their backs on Madara since he killed his friends and took his brother's eyes to increase his own power. This was one of the factor that made Hashirama the leader of Leaf.

Also if Kakashi really did copy Itachi's MS then why doesn't he use Tsukiyomi? His MS is different, his technique is different. Itachi used a genjutsu on him and controlled the time and space of which the genjutsu lasted. He did not physically transport Kakashi into another dimension. Kakashi learned it over the time-skip probably by training his eye. There's no way a MS can be copied sorry.

 

[ReLax -]

Nah I understand what he is trying to say. His theory is; normal Sharingan is able to copy MS. He's saying Kakashi copied Itachi's Tsukiyomi which made him learn MS. Kamui is related to Itachi's Tsukiyomi because of the Space-Time Dimensional thing.. Funny because Tsukiyomi is just an illusion where-as Kamui is a physical jutsu.

Sharingan can't copy any Kekkei Genkai techniques and Mangekyou Sharingan's Tsukiyomi is a Kekkei Genkai. Sharingan in itself is a bloodline limit. It's been stated and proven.

Yes, I know that Sharingan cannot copy MS techs. they can't even copy any advance tech. (death seal, thunder god) or techs. that take preperation.

But I have disagree with you on the fact that MS is a KG. If thats what your trying to say because it's just an ability between group of people also known as clan (Uchiha, Hyuuga). It's true that Sharingan is a bloodline but doesn't mean its a KG. Unless you could show me some evidence.