Your theory is simply outrageous... When madara fought the fourth hokage also Obito's Sensei, it was short after Obito's death at which point Obito was like not even 2/3 the height of legendary Minato... If madara had taken over Obito's body he would not stand as tall as Minato during that episode get real Obito's body is done... the most plausible theory is that his Sharingan was taken even then it's far fetched but I don't mind this theory at all, in fact I like it... But damn man, OBITO IS DEAD just let go man
How did Kakashi obtained his MS ?!
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yondaimeminato
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I didn't say madara took over a dead body. Of course a dead body will not grow but an alive body will grow and do what a normal alive body does.
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Here we see obito being taller than kakashi. After this incident happened, 3-4 years passed before the nine tail demon fox attacked the village. This is more than enough time for someone to grow tall. I mean look at naruto. He left konoha when he was very short but when he came back 3 years later. He became taller than he ever been.
I enjoy having outrageous theories. Theories that will seem impossible to believe because if a theory like this actually it is true. It will give me so much satisfaction. I have debated over this for a long time. All what I say is connected with what happened in naruto manga.
I have many other simple theories like many other people posted here. Theories that will make people agree with you with in an instant. But I like this theory because a lot of people don't agree with it. This doesn't mean that the theory is baseless. It all connects and fits perfectly. The more I read naruto manga, the more I believe in this theory.
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I remember having thought the height issue as a major kick off Obito's alive theory in previous posts on this forum I do not recall however the reasoning I used to get to that point but people like you were convinced when I did pulled it off... Maybe if you could tell me how old they were in the Kakashi Gaiden serie it would help.
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If it is the case that only further prooves my argument... because in the Kakashi chronicle you clearly see how taller he already is compared to them...
and when you say " This doesn't mean that the theory is baseless. It all connects and fits perfectly." NO it does not connects and fits perfectly AT ALL XD Either way quit it with your arguments about obito being alive this is not the thread for this I am sure we both read lots of Obito's theories thread already I did not meant for this thread to become one also... I don't believe in it you do I'm glad for you your proud of yourself let's see time resolve this matter and stop this useless talk about Obito and let's consider Kakashi's Mangekyou sharingan's origins and does he looses sight...
Which btw was cleverly argued by HightimesHoward noticing that Kakashi stops the mangekyou because of the pain!
Obito is dead. Obito being Tobi is just too far-fetched even for an outrageous theory. I can see Kagami as being Tobi's current bodies but there's no way that Obito could be Tobi. Actually, I don't think Tobi's body is completely normal at all. He seems to be losing limbs and he regenerates them easily. Maybe it really is a torn-up Madara that Hashirama fought.
At the time when their first child was born. This info is from the databook before anyone flames me.
25: Shikaku, Chouza, Inoichi
26: Shibi
27: Fugaku
28: Hizashi
29: Hiashi
And Minato is from the same generation so I would assume that he was not a teenager in Kakashi Gaiden. He was probably in his early 20s because soon after the war ended, he was granted the title of Hokage. He wasn't in his 30s when he became Hokage either (confirmed by elders). He was a genius nonetheless.
At the time when their first child was born. This info is from the databook before anyone flames me.
25: Shikaku, Chouza, Inoichi
26: Shibi
27: Fugaku
28: Hizashi
29: Hiashi
And Minato is from the same generation so I would assume that he was not a teenager in Kakashi Gaiden. He was probably in his early 20s because soon after the war ended, he was granted the title of Hokage. He wasn't in his 30s when he became Hokage either (confirmed by elders). He was a genius nonetheless.
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Nikkou Arashi
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The thread is too long to follow. But, anyone got an answer already?
He awakened it when he and Naruto were chasing after Deidara during the Gaara Rescue Arc. Remember that part where he was just closing his eyes to concentrate? That chapter is entitled: Kakashi Enlightened. Something like that! That actually proves as well that one does not have to kill someone close to feel guilt and awaken the MS.
I believe that's how the Sharingan Jutsu designed the awakening of the MS is. By feeling extreme guilt. Kakashi did not have to follow this though. He have been guilty all the time as to how he failed to work as a team with Obito and how he failed to keep his promise to protect Rin. He must be reflecting on that guilt at that time resulting to the activation of his MS.
He awakened it when he and Naruto were chasing after Deidara during the Gaara Rescue Arc. Remember that part where he was just closing his eyes to concentrate? That chapter is entitled: Kakashi Enlightened. Something like that! That actually proves as well that one does not have to kill someone close to feel guilt and awaken the MS.
I believe that's how the Sharingan Jutsu designed the awakening of the MS is. By feeling extreme guilt. Kakashi did not have to follow this though. He have been guilty all the time as to how he failed to work as a team with Obito and how he failed to keep his promise to protect Rin. He must be reflecting on that guilt at that time resulting to the activation of his MS.
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black uchiha
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1st off I did not read all da post so forgive me if I repeat any but I dout I will
My theory is maybe da most simple u will ever hear (i'm ready to be bashed) but u have to look at what kakashi (and da sharingan) is known for copying people...so he copied it from itachi, witch is y it looks a lot like itachi's...now to go into it deeper...he did not get it until after he battled itachi...now da same I am going to apply to sasuke he copied it too but being dat itachi implanted his power into him changed da look of sasuke's ms...and it being da black flame tech makes sasuke ms more black den red and more control over da black flame tech ...and kakashi copied it in another dimension (tsukiomi spelling ) gave it da dimensional power
And yes he goes blind in his sharingan eye only
My theory is maybe da most simple u will ever hear (i'm ready to be bashed) but u have to look at what kakashi (and da sharingan) is known for copying people...so he copied it from itachi, witch is y it looks a lot like itachi's...now to go into it deeper...he did not get it until after he battled itachi...now da same I am going to apply to sasuke he copied it too but being dat itachi implanted his power into him changed da look of sasuke's ms...and it being da black flame tech makes sasuke ms more black den red and more control over da black flame tech ...and kakashi copied it in another dimension (tsukiomi spelling ) gave it da dimensional power
And yes he goes blind in his sharingan eye only
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Nikkou Arashi
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Then, you should have at least read my reply above.
As for Sasuke's MS - Itachi purposefully had Sasuke kill him so that he could obtain MS. Itachi did not implant his eyes on Sasuke just yet. Not during their last battle. He just made the proper timing to set the Amaterasu to activate when it sees Madara. If you would, recall at a later part Sasuke asked Madara to implant Itachi's eyes.
@black uchiha: Itachi's MS has tsukiyomi, amaterasu and susano'o and Kakashi's has this dimensional technique, don't think he copied mangekyou sharingan from Itachi. Kakashi also mentions that he can't copy Kekkei Genkais with Sharingan. Itachi didn't form seals when he used tsukiyomi either... Your theory is not bad but it has flaws. Nikkou Arashi already wrote how Sasuke got his MS.
Good theories but i would go with Kakashi acquiring his MS during the time-skip. When he used it vs. Deidera he said he couldn't control it properly meaning he already obtained it and has used it in the past. To get MS, the user must witness the death of the person closest to him/her. From what we know, Kakashi already claimed that everyone close to him had died before the series started... That's what makes Kakashi's MS a real mystery.
Good theories but i would go with Kakashi acquiring his MS during the time-skip. When he used it vs. Deidera he said he couldn't control it properly meaning he already obtained it and has used it in the past. To get MS, the user must witness the death of the person closest to him/her. From what we know, Kakashi already claimed that everyone close to him had died before the series started... That's what makes Kakashi's MS a real mystery.
NarutoVsGoku
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lol Minato was a teen father?!?
nah i think he was at least in his early twenty man
NarutoVsGoku
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It is said that you should KILL not witness, KILL the one closest to you to obtain it so when you make your opinion make sure you do not distord the truth from the theory thank you... In this thread however we speculate on how witnessing his close friends died MIGHT have triggered his MS but it is not anything that has been said in the story line. Other than that detail what you say makes sense. But really don't induce people into thinking that witnessing in contrast of KILLING is what has been told in the manga.
@Nikkou Arashi: Kakashi can copy techniques that are not too complex (he couldn't copy rasengan for example he had to learn it, as well as raikiri, it is not copyable it has to be learned thus why Sasuke spent soo much time learning it. Techniques that uses seal are his favorite to copy.
And if he had copied Itachi's MS then he would have either tsukoyomi or Amateresu which he never used maybe he has them both? he never showed it though. But then again if a three tamoe sharingan could copy MS then a whole lot more uchihas would have had MS it was already said in this thread but I won't hold it against you like you said... it has become a long thread
Keep it going guys !:T_T:
PositiveEmotions
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kakashi had to kill someone to get his ms other wise he wouldnt b able to activated and as for sasuke having full control is bc of itachis powers to sasuke
Yeah okay that's an obvious!! Then we should ask ourselves who is missing in action during the time lapse after Naruto and before Naruto shippuden?! Who XD !!!!
It had to be a close one to Kakashi though but yeah why not? I wouldn't root for this option but if we can find someone that just died or went missing its plausible!
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PositiveEmotions
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ima name my dog after u stampy hahahaha jk jk
ya i know but i wonder who he killed tho i mean we know u have to kill someone close to u to activate ms but maybe in kakashi's case he thought about obito's death and got activated (i changed my story sorry)
black uchiha
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I think u misunderstood me I said power as in da amaterasu and we did not see sasuke ms until he used itachi's "power" also I think naruto is closest to sasuke den itachiThen, you should have at least read my reply above.
As for Sasuke's MS - Itachi purposefully had Sasuke kill him so that he could obtain MS. Itachi did not implant his eyes on Sasuke just yet. Not during their last battle. He just made the proper timing to set the Amaterasu to activate when it sees Madara. If you would, recall at a later part Sasuke asked Madara to implant Itachi's eyes.
I think its another misunderstanding....kakashi never saw da amaterasu or da susanoo too copy it.....what I was saying is a-pon seeing da ms, unlocked his ms...as for him copying it I ment da design and in his mind he was in another dimension so manifested a dimensional tech
Rofl, u do know that Sasuke did not get the MSharingan until he found out that Itachi was good? Witnessing is the same thing as killing in his case. He didn't actually kill Itachi, he witnessed him dying before him. He didn't get MS right then either. He found out about Itachi's past which probably stirred up emotions in him and he awakened his Sharingan. Do you see now what i meant?It is said that you should KILL not witness, KILL the one closest to you to obtain it so when you make your opinion make sure you do not distord the truth from the theory thank you... In this thread however we speculate on how witnessing his close friends died MIGHT have triggered his MS but it is not anything that has been said in the story line. Other than that detail what you say makes sense. But really don't induce people into thinking that witnessing in contrast of KILLING is what has been told in the manga.
@Nikkou Arashi: Kakashi can copy techniques that are not too complex (he couldn't copy rasengan for example he had to learn it, as well as raikiri, it is not copyable it has to be learned thus why Sasuke spent soo much time learning it. Techniques that uses seal are his favorite to copy.
And if he had copied Itachi's MS then he would have either tsukoyomi or Amateresu which he never used maybe he has them both? he never showed it though. But then again if a three tamoe sharingan could copy MS then a whole lot more uchihas would have had MS it was already said in this thread but I won't hold it against you like you said... it has become a long thread
Keep it going guys !:T_T:
Furthermore, Kakashi's closest friends and family already died before the series hence reinforcing my theory that witnessing is enough to awaken it and there may be other ways to obtaining MS as well. Kakashi is not the type to kill the person closest to him for power. Don't tell me i'm wrong without thinking first. I'm not throwing anyone off, I'm stating facts.
I have no problem with a theory where witnessing could be trauma enough to trigger it, my problem lied with the fact that you said it like that's how it was said in the manga, which is not true! In the manga it CLEARY says kill the closest to you, not witness but Kill. It's okay if you want to believe witness is enough! in fact I encourage people to find other ways of how a MS could be awaken!
Just don't say the manga says witness a close friend die... Say in my opinion witness a close friend die could close the deal! THEN we have no issues whatsoever
You must mistake me for someone else though, I do know Sasuke awakened his MS after he was told that his hating brother really was his loving brother. But he did not really "witnessed" his death. Like someone said in this thread that REALLY made me laugth: in a court of law, sasuke would be trial of murder.
Although he did not give him the final blow, we can all agree that Sasuke is well aware that Itachi died because of the fight against him.
That being said now you do bring a very good argument to your theory of witnessing can trigger MS !!!! In deed Sasuke did not kill Itachi directly!! And yet has MS now! We're making progress I think