[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 521 Discussion and 522 Predictions

[uchiha ayzi]

i kinda like kabuto =P
Waited alot...Now i badly want to see sasuke back

 

[Boobiee220]

Also for that tobi/shisui/obito/madara thing. It HAS to be Madara, because Obito died when he was like 12, who would have found his body under all those rocks? Shisui can't possibly be tobi because Itachi killed him in order to get the MS, if it was Shisui how could he have MS if he didn't kill Itachi who was suppose to be his bestfriend. With that said, it must be Madara, or maybe it's just some next guy no one knows about. I would say Madara's lil brother or son or something but that would be just ridiculous lol. Also if you look back in the anime when Tobi spoke to Sasuke, in one of the flashbacks Tobi spoke about how Itachi knew of his existence and sought him out to not bring harm to Sasuke and he would help Madara destroy the Uchiha clan. And it SHOWS Itachi and Madara speaking.

 

[jabznaruto]

What are you talking about, those Zetsu weren't defeated. Yes the combo attack from the alliance was impressive but it was made quite clear that all of the zetsu that were spewed from the volcano like earth-style survived the barrage.

yo floydical!

i think they survived, yes...but for the time being they (the 20000 zetsus) won't be able to do some damage to the alliance.

i mean... series of questions to answer your sole question...

1. where the hell are they now?
2. the zetsus gone with the wind...must take time to "reconstitute" them?
3. 80000 so far remains...where are they too?

we all know that the zetsus are "madara's creations", and the way they travel under the ground means that they are not "equipped" with teleportation tech.

unless of course if you explain to me what happened mate...

but for now i guess we settle on

1. the 20000 zetsus vanished, but yes they survived...
2. they pose no imminent threat after that barrage...

what yo think floydical?

 

[zapp42823]

i remember yamato sempai, he is the one who strengthen the power of zetzu, and anko is use to amplify the power of the dead ninjas... one problem is, they lie to naruto about that incident (yamato's capture)... in order to weaken an opponent you must seek the source of their strength... and that is anko and yamato... somebody must rescue or assassinate or sacrifice this two ninjas!!! or yamato and anko will just sacrifice them selves if they feel that they cannot escape... and on that decision the shinobi world will honor them as a true dedicated ninja.... mmmmm ....

 

[jabznaruto]

i remember yamato sempai, he is the one who strengthen the power of zetzu, and anko is use to amplify the power of the dead ninjas... one problem is, they lie to naruto about that incident (yamato's capture)... in order to weaken an opponent you must seek the source of their strength... and that is anko and yamato... somebody must rescue or assassinate or sacrifice this two ninjas!!! or yamato and anko will just sacrifice them selves if they feel that they cannot escape... and on that decision the shinobi world will honor them as a true dedicated ninja.... mmmmm ....

nice pix zapp42823!

yeah, seems anko and yamato had been part of kabuto's plans.
there is no wrong in ending the lives of the two for the shinobi's purpose. but somebody's gotta rescue them somehow...i have a great hunch in shikamaru's case in doing so.

it's been so long we missed "kage mane" in action. we'll see if shikamaru's mettle is better than that of kabuto's.

 

[Boobiee220]

Wouldn't Kabuto also need to capture Jugo? Because he is using Anko because she has the cursed seal mark on her from Orochimaru, so Jugo has the cursed seal mark too. Maybe if Kabuto goes after Jugo for the cursed seal mark, that's when Kabuto will probably meet Sasuke, and a battle would occur, Kabuto vs Taka. We will be able to see Sasuke's EMS in action =]

 

[jabznaruto]

Wouldn't Kabuto also need to capture Jugo? Because he is using Anko because she has the cursed seal mark on her from Orochimaru, so Jugo has the cursed seal mark too. Maybe if Kabuto goes after Jugo for the cursed seal mark, that's when Kabuto will probably meet Sasuke, and a battle would occur, Kabuto vs Taka. We will be able to see Sasuke's EMS in action =]

nice prediction there boobiee220!

jugo would be a good cursed mark dna source and power for kabuto. but i think anko suits kabuto's purpose because of orochimaru's chakra and the "cursed seal" which orochimaru also experimented on anko.

should kabuto use jugo, probably sasuke now has a reason to go after kabuto -- more than the sight of "itachi" as one of the summons.

jugo is a good friend sasuke would treasure..

just as yamato to Naruto.

 

[Boobiee220]

nice prediction there boobiee220!

jugo would be a good cursed mark dna source and power for kabuto. but i think anko suits kabuto's purpose because of orochimaru's chakra and the "cursed seal" which orochimaru also experimented on anko.

should kabuto use jugo, probably sasuke now has a reason to go after kabuto -- more than the sight of "itachi" as one of the summons.

jugo is a good friend sasuke would treasure..

just as yamato to Naruto.

yup yup!

 

[Akatsuki leader]

why not disappeared the cursemark from anko body??

i remember somebody said in anime if orochimaru die the cursemark is gone....

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

Wouldn't Kabuto also need to capture Jugo? Because he is using Anko because she has the cursed seal mark on her from Orochimaru, so Jugo has the cursed seal mark too. Maybe if Kabuto goes after Jugo for the cursed seal mark, that's when Kabuto will probably meet Sasuke, and a battle would occur, Kabuto vs Taka. We will be able to see Sasuke's EMS in action =]

Don't know about Kabuto finding Sasuke while looking for Juugo but ya if Kabuto knows about Juugo then he would definitely go for him but now he is already too busy. I don't think that he will search for Juugo even if he knew about him. Its like with Anko, he got her in his way and that's why he extracted Oro's chakra from her it was not preplanned though.

 

[puccadgt]

Wouldn't Kabuto also need to capture Jugo? Because he is using Anko because she has the cursed seal mark on her from Orochimaru, so Jugo has the cursed seal mark too. Maybe if Kabuto goes after Jugo for the cursed seal mark, that's when Kabuto will probably meet Sasuke, and a battle would occur, Kabuto vs Taka. We will be able to see Sasuke's EMS in action =]

No. Jugo has no cursed seal mark. He was the original one, that oro used to create de cursed seal mark, so he has none of oro chakra. He has no interest to kabuto

 

[SasuketheGreat]

Why do u guys think Kabuto wants to know the secrets of the six paths:

 

[AndreJNZ]

What you've said is true; however, to actively control the summoned requires chakra ... to the effect that Kabuto must "focus on his technique" and the more of Orochimaru's chakra that he absorbs from Anko (or perhaps its the effect of the demonic seal) he exerts even more control over the summoned individuals, i.e. it uses chakra in some way.

Animal Summoning requires no chakra to be exerted after the summons because the animals have already formed a pact with the summoner to help them, i.e. no need to exert further control over them.

They must actively control them, otherwise the summoned soul could do whatever it wants. Apart from all the other stuff Kabuto has to do to keep in control, he would not lose more chakra after the summon. It's a freaky ass tech, I'll give you that.

 

[Yukimaru Yoshi]

By SasuketheGreat

Spoiler

Who thinks Kabuto told Madara the truth about Edo Tensei not having any disadvantages?
Here's what I think:
Kabuto has a large amount of chakra but he uses most of it to keep his summons under control, Edo Tensei has a weakness and disadvantage, the weakness is the if the summoned souls have the full awareness and consciousness they can undo the technique after they have fulfilled the one thing most important to them when they were alive. We seen this with Sasori and Sai's brother/friend.

Now I follow the manga down to the smallest detail and I came across this idea:
Kabuto is able to summon a vast amount of ninja back from the dead because of his high chakrh chakra resource but he dosen't have enough chakra to suppress all of their emotions. So the disadvantage of Edo Tensei is it uses large amounts of chakra depending on the number of souls revived by the user, in the last chapter Kabuto said "if I had to fight against the rinnengan here, I'd be in trouble" so I thought why would Kabuto be scared of Madara when he has his trump card! His sixth coffin to keep Madara in his place, but then I thought maybe if things even got out of hand Kabuto couldn't summon anyone else for the fact that he was low on chakra, and then when I saw Kabuto used Anko in his ritual I instantly thought two things: Kabuto is using her as a chakra amplifier (because Kabuto's chakra is too low) to increase the bind of Edo Tensei through Orochimaru's curSe Seal or he is somehow planning to resurrect Lord Orochimaru through Anko ! Just a thought

Good observation, but it's already been stated that kabuto just wants oro's chakara to strenghthen the technique, but i do agree with you kabuto doesn't have a large amount of chakara.

By stylezish

Spoiler

Sharingan ability to copy Edo Tensei? Okay first off, it's not hard to copy it. No one is willing to use it because it is a "FORBIDDEN TECHNIQUE" and there are conditions to it.

To break this down for you who can't understand this:

1) Developed by the Second Hokage
2) Completed by Orochimaru
3) Mastered it by Kabuto

The scrolls that had info of the Jutsu is hidden away in the leaf and is safely guarded. Obviously, Orochimaru had access to it because he "was" a leaf ninja. That's how he "learned" the jutsu.

You can't just copy a hand sign and do it. Look here:

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This jutsu requires a ritual, do you see the scroll that Kabuto holds in his hand?

Lastly, Kabuto went Grave hunting, meaning he spent (during the time of his disappearance since we last saw him in the manga) the time finding "DNA". Once he obtain the DNA, he does the ritual, then he summons a coffin and hides the body. Resummoning them at any time he wants.

So in conclusion, anyone could use this technique if they have the info on "how-to" use it but there are CONDITIONS to it. If Kakashi uses this he'll obviously get thrown in prison because it is a FORBIDDEN technique. He's not gonna sacrifice someone because that isn't his character. And for Tobi? He's not trying to use learn how to use it. He's TRYING to figure out how to stop it because he doesn't trust Kabuto.

Kochiyose: Edo Tensei isn't just a hand sign and the summon pops up. You NEED to do the ritual ahead of time.

you my friend are correct also to add, the ninja must have the skill and chakara capacity and ifinity (if any) to perform that jutsu that he or she is copying. for ex Roc Lee's taijutsu was copied by sasuke. Due to sasuke's body not being adaptable to the stress of the copied movements, he was only able to mimic so much of Roc lee's taijutsu. Same could be applied to any other jutsu's.

By Sennin Jinchuuriki

Spoiler

Don't know about Kabuto finding Sasuke while looking for Juugo but ya if Kabuto knows about Juugo then he would definitely go for him but now he is already too busy. I don't think that he will search for Juugo even if he knew about him. Its like with Anko, he got her in his way and that's why he extracted Oro's chakra from her it was not preplanned though.

Kabuto deff knows about juugo..If sasuke knew about him why wouldn't kabuto? Also, juugo isn't any use to kabuto. Why? because juugo is the original user of the curse seal which was later use by oro from his DNA. In other words, juugo doesn't carry any of oro chakara. Therefore, juugo wouldn't be needed. Only those branded with oro curse seal would be needed. Currently we only knew of kimmimaru, sasuke, anko, and the sound 5 members.

 

[Boobiee220]

Why do u guys think Kabuto wants to know the secrets of the six paths:

I think there is alot to the six paths we don't even know about. I reread Chapter 510 When Madara was fighting Konan. If I didn't misinterept that chapter, I think Madara referred to himself and The 1st Hokage as the 1st and 2nd path to the six paths. Then when he seen Nagato lying on the ground he referred to Nagato as the 3rd path. I get the feeling Naruto has to be like the 4th 5th or 6th path, after seeing the form he took when he was using the Nine Tails chakara. Maybe I'm just overanalyzing. But you guys should reread that chapter 510. Madara explains alot to Konan, and we are taken Madara too lightly he has alot of powers we have yet to seen.

 

[Boobiee220]

I think that would be cool, and would even show more importance in Shikamaru, because he has been constantly getting stronger or outsmarting so many enemies. Shikamaru is a deadly ninja if you think about it. However, I think Madara would have no problem stopping edo tensei because he can simply just use Susano'o and seal all the souls with the sword. Also he can simply seal Kabuto with the sword as well, then he would be the only person who can use edo tensei since Kabuto gave him the information about it. Madara would basically be unstoppable at that point, Susano'o might not even affect him that badly as it did Sasuke and Itachi too, since he has EMS, it might just take up some chakara from him, but then again there is that factor that Madara was said to possess an enmormous amount of chakara.

When I think back to this idea, do you guys think Madara would be able to create something more powerfull than Susano'o since he has both EMS and Rinnegan?

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

I think there is alot to the six paths we don't even know about. I reread Chapter 510 When Madara was fighting Konan. If I didn't misinterept that chapter, I think Madara referred to himself and The 1st Hokage as the 1st and 2nd path to the six paths. Then when he seen Nagato lying on the ground he referred to Nagato as the 3rd path. I get the feeling Naruto has to be like the 4th 5th or 6th path, after seeing the form he took when he was using the Nine Tails chakara. Maybe I'm just overanalyzing. But you guys should reread that chapter 510. Madara explains alot to Konan, and we are taken Madara too lightly he has alot of powers we have yet to seen.

Ya I also remember Madara referring himself and the 1st Hokage as the 1st and 2nd Paths and Nagato as the 3rd one. Could it be that Kabuto is the 4th one, Sasuke the 5th and Naruto the 6th. Just a wild guess and I also don't know what this 1st or 6th Paths thing is. But ya we still have to learn a lot about the S06P.

 

[Floydical]

I think that would be cool, and would even show more importance in Shikamaru, because he has been constantly getting stronger or outsmarting so many enemies. Shikamaru is a deadly ninja if you think about it. However, I think Madara would have no problem stopping edo tensei because he can simply just use Susano'o and seal all the souls with the sword. Also he can simply seal Kabuto with the sword as well, then he would be the only person who can use edo tensei since Kabuto gave him the information about it. Madara would basically be unstoppable at that point, Susano'o might not even affect him that badly as it did Sasuke and Itachi too, since he has EMS, it might just take up some chakara from him, but then again there is that factor that Madara was said to possess an enmormous amount of chakara.

Waoh buddy, whoever said that Madara has Susanoo? Keep in mind that Susanoo was 100% unique to Itachi's MS and the only reason Sasuke has an altered version of it is because Itachi passed his abilities to Sasuke before he died.

In reality, its kind of cheap because we didn't get to see Sasuke spawn his own unique MS abilities. He surely would have gained the MS after hearing Itachi's secret, whether Itachi passed him the abilities or not.

While we have seen quite a bit of history about Madara, we still don't know what his original MS abilities were, nor his brother's. I always imagined that by stealing his eyes, Madara gained his brother's MS abilities in addition to his own. However, I in no way believe Madara has Susanoo and Itachi was the only one with access to the sealing sword and it went with him when he died.

we all know that the zetsus are "madara's creations", and the way they travel under the ground means that they are not "equipped" with teleportation tech.

unless of course if you explain to me what happened mate...

but for now i guess we settle on

1. the 20000 zetsus vanished, but yes they survived...
2. they pose no imminent threat after that barrage...

what yo think floydical?

I think it was made very obvious that they still pose a dangerous threat. I mean that attack was massive and they were all still in one piece thereafter. I think we will see that fight resume soon.

As to how they travel, you made me rethink something. When it came to how the original Zetsu traveled underground, most notably when he followed Madara to Itachi's death site, I believed that he actually 'merged' with the Earth and traveled through it kind of like an electric impulse through the ground. Very fast, yes, but not as fast as madara's teleportation. Seeing the thousands of white Zetsu's shot up in the air like that kind of takes a crap on that theory but perhaps only black/white Zetsu can travel underground like I said or maybe the Zetsu's solidified underground before rising for an attack. Sound possible?

 

[Boobiee220]

Waoh buddy, whoever said that Madara has Susanoo? Keep in mind that Susanoo was 100% unique to Itachi's MS and the only reason Sasuke has an altered version of it is because Itachi passed his abilities to Sasuke before he died.

In reality, its kind of cheap because we didn't get to see Sasuke spawn his own unique MS abilities. He surely would have gained the MS after hearing Itachi's secret, whether Itachi passed him the abilities or not.

While we have seen quite a bit of history about Madara, we still don't know what his original MS abilities were, nor his brother's. I always imagined that by stealing his eyes, Madara gained his brother's MS abilities in addition to his own. However, I in no way believe Madara has Susanoo and Itachi was the only one with access to the sealing sword and it went with him when he died.

But I thought that when you get MS, you get to use Amaretsu in the right eye and Tsyukiomi in the left eye, and when you use both eyes it's Susanoo?
And I also thought Itachi only implanted Amaretsu in Sasuke's eye and not his abilities. So.... am I missing something?

 

[krunalgohel]

i dont think sasuke would avenge oro since he tried to kill him and second kabuto still cant ressurect itachi since he doesnt have his dna

didn't kabuto summoned itachi to give a demo to tobi...