yep, makes sense to make inoichi captain of intel squad. But I'm positive that the version I downloaded was from ***********. Guess they changed it.
turns out it was a mistake
[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 515 Discussion/ 516 Predictions
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this next few chapters should be amazing.
the war should be great especially if all the zetsus transform into other characters. we know that zetsu can record battles, maybe he can transform into anyone that he has recorded and therefore use all of their techniques. thoughts?
the war should be great especially if all the zetsus transform into other characters. we know that zetsu can record battles, maybe he can transform into anyone that he has recorded and therefore use all of their techniques. thoughts?
there is so much i want to say...
but so much of it seems pointless.
meh, maybe someone will care....
a reminder that this is all MY interpretation of someone else's creations(manga and anime narutoverse).
neither part of that(the creation or the interpretation) is perfect, so accept the discrepancies and fluctuations...they are to be expected from humans... me and kishi both.
i believe the manga to be a sort of rough draft for the anime.
in the manga the characters dont move.
so are we to think that the anime having them move is all wrong?
oh oh oh wait! they didnt move in the manga, so thats just not accurate!
grow up.
the anime is an elaborated version of the manga. its the same story, and almost 100% of the manga exists in the anime. which is logical, since the manga came first, and the anime is an animated version of that story. like when a book is made into a movie. some of the movie content may be different and they may change it to fit a different format, but all in all, its mostly the same. the difference being that the movie is shorter version than the book... thats why things are left out. and anyone who actually reads, and then sees a movie about a book they read, knows this is very frustrating.
this is the major difference in the case between the anime and manga in narutoverse. the anime is in fact LONGER than the manga. the movie is longer than the book!! can you believe it? amazing!!
its the same story, and almost 100% of the manga exists in the anime.
i know that there is a lot that is in the anime that was not mentioned in the manga, but thats called elaboration. its when you revise something and expound upon it.
for instance... the 3rd coffin summoned by orochimaru during his fight with the 3rd hokage...
in the manga, the 3rd coffin is mentioned but not shown.
at some point, either kishi, or someone with his ear, said, "this could use some more explaining. that was a little too vague, who was in the coffin?" and then they decided that in the anime, they would make it more obvious and explain it so that it made more sense. or as the story progressed, they realize another way for the story to click, and add something to give us a better understanding or more excitement from our viewing pleasure.
this is called story telling. the first time you tell the story, its very gritty and maybe has holes, but as you tell the story over and over you fill in all the gaps in the story and it flows more smoothly and makes more sense to those who listen.
i know this concept may be difficult for some of you to understand, thats why im explaining it. trust me.
so in conclusion on that point... the anime is every bit and even more so, of the same story as the manga. to believe otherwise is totally delusion and absolutely ridiculous. case closed.
unfortunately there are discrepancies, such as...
something in the anime, that was not in the manga.(such as the coffin discussed above)
the manga having a part that hasnt even been created in the anime yet (like this chapter for instance its way ahead of the anime and we wont see it in the anime for some time to come.)
words in one, that are different in the other, leading to diff interpretations. (BOTH are translated into english and not even by the same source, so unless you go straight to the original and can read that, you will always be getting second hand interpretations. learn to deal with it.)
can ANYONE give me an example of something that was in the manga, that NEVER has made an appearance in the anime? ANYTHING FROM ANYONE?
if not... then id say the anime is a pretty damn good copy of the manga, with a lot of added extra bonuses like filler stories about characters and extra tidbits in the anime that complete a scene and make it more of a complete story.
so in conclusion...
the anime and manga are two sides of the same coin, sometimes they mirror each other perfectly, and at other times, they seem to be a little different. however if anyone tries to claim that they are not the same story and should be viewed completely separate, I think that person is a moron.
lets take the most recent anime episode for example.
narutos mission for ninja tools with tenten and neji.
NOT in the manga. however, i find it a great addition to the narutoverse.
it was great seeing tenten really shine, i gained a new sort of respect for her.
she was made to look a little like a clown, but this time she really shined.
so i would say that the anime is BETTER and MORE COMPLETE of a story than the manga, because in the manga, poor tenten looks like a joke, and we never see her excel. yet in the anime, she is given the time of day, and looks like a real ninja.
thus proving my point above, that the anime is an updated version of the manga. and that the anime should be treated as a more complete source for the narutoverse. except for the manga that has not been converted into anime yet, because it will always be behind as long as both are still being created and worked upon. the anime tries to catch up... and the manga keeps going... so in an effort to not catch up, they add more story to the anime. in my mind, a giant plus. to those of you out there thinking that sucks, i think you suck. just my opinion. take it or leave it.
the anime is a very faithful copy of the manga. it doesnt have less than the manga. it has MORE. and like the commercials say "more is better" and in this case i agree. more hate, not better. more destruction, not better. more food, more love, more explanation? way better.
now, having said, AND EXPLAINED that...
lets focus on the current situation in the manga.
a few things to discuss.
jiraiya was not shown resurrected, yet he still could be in the future, i suppose.
unless his death in the ocean, or his contract with the toads, or some other unknown factor of edo tensei, prevents it.
i hope that he doesnt get brought back, and i would like to hope that if anyone's soul is protected, its his. he doesnt deserve to be treated like a tool. he is a hero.
there may be steps that one can take, to avoid being summoned by edotensei. hell, i just dont know enough about it. i dont think any of us do, to say what can and cant happen with it yet. if nothing else, its proven to be very shocking.
kabuto's summoning... pretty damn impressive. he is a mass murderer and had to have a body to sacrifice for every single one of those corpses. that is disgusting. he prepped all those coffins and corpses and souls. who knows how long it took him to amass that army of dead people? he really is serious. and i dont believe that chakra plays a very large factor in this summoning... i think preparation is more key. its not like he can just go, "i want to summon this soul!" and it happens. its not like that at all. its way more preparation and planning. orochimaru worked hard on getting the 3 hokages. and i bet kabuto has worked even harder than that to get this massive collection he has.
edo tensei, like i said, is what i believe to be a time/space technique that is still of great speculation, and i hope for some more explanation on how it works, and what its restrictions are. however, remember that if he places a fuda inside them, and they are brought back fully, that not even kabutos death will stop them.
the shinobi forces will have to do more than kill kabuto (which they cant do anyways.) to stop the edo tensei. my hope is that naruto's new powers will sense the desecration of the souls and will be able to have some power to free them.
he sensed kisame's evil intentions. perhaps he will feel the corpses/souls reappearance and will have some power to stop them. that is my hope. but maybe there is another way for the shinobi forces to stop that edo tensei...im not sure what that could be though...maybe some new unknown...sarutobi said nothing good will come of toying with the past. maybe he was foreshadowing this moment.
madara's eyes... he made the right choice keeping one of each doujutsu.
sharingan is way too powerful to just toss aside for two rinnengans. that would be stupider than all hell. he has the izanagi, and the time/space justus because of the sharingan as far as i can tell. why would he give that up? and the new addition of the rinnengan is just all too sweet. great move! he will be a SERIOUS hazard now. look how easily he manipulated things during the kage meeting. he killed danzo's body guards very quickly, and brought sasuke in to fight danzo, then sat back and watched. then came back later to pickup sasuke when he was facing off against naruto. that was all prior to having the rinnengan. in all honesty, we havent seen him do anything with the rinnengan yet... it is going to be out of this world. and i wouldnt be surprised if he has a new power because of the combination between the doujutsu's.
i agree with what was said about itachis gift to naruto.
it is most likely something to do with shutting down sasuke.
that is what they were discussing when he gave it to naruto.
as far as sasuke...it will be interesting to see what new technique he gets as a result of the EMS.
his powers are already over the top. much more and he will be virtually unstoppable.
i feel confidant that somehow, he will be stopped by naruto, or will finally realize the error of his ways, and come around to the good side once again. no one is ever truly past redemption, until death.
btw, i would say that kisame is not resurrected, because kabuto did not have time to acquire the necessary articles... he would need another sacrifice for one, and for two he might need time to collect a piece or pieces of kisame (which may not be available currently). i dont think that we will see kisame in the edo tensei, anytime soon if ever.
i guess thats enough for now. i could go on, but i think this post will do the job. for now.
but so much of it seems pointless.
meh, maybe someone will care....
a reminder that this is all MY interpretation of someone else's creations(manga and anime narutoverse).
neither part of that(the creation or the interpretation) is perfect, so accept the discrepancies and fluctuations...they are to be expected from humans... me and kishi both.
i believe the manga to be a sort of rough draft for the anime.
in the manga the characters dont move.
so are we to think that the anime having them move is all wrong?
oh oh oh wait! they didnt move in the manga, so thats just not accurate!
grow up.
the anime is an elaborated version of the manga. its the same story, and almost 100% of the manga exists in the anime. which is logical, since the manga came first, and the anime is an animated version of that story. like when a book is made into a movie. some of the movie content may be different and they may change it to fit a different format, but all in all, its mostly the same. the difference being that the movie is shorter version than the book... thats why things are left out. and anyone who actually reads, and then sees a movie about a book they read, knows this is very frustrating.
this is the major difference in the case between the anime and manga in narutoverse. the anime is in fact LONGER than the manga. the movie is longer than the book!! can you believe it? amazing!!
its the same story, and almost 100% of the manga exists in the anime.
i know that there is a lot that is in the anime that was not mentioned in the manga, but thats called elaboration. its when you revise something and expound upon it.
for instance... the 3rd coffin summoned by orochimaru during his fight with the 3rd hokage...
in the manga, the 3rd coffin is mentioned but not shown.
at some point, either kishi, or someone with his ear, said, "this could use some more explaining. that was a little too vague, who was in the coffin?" and then they decided that in the anime, they would make it more obvious and explain it so that it made more sense. or as the story progressed, they realize another way for the story to click, and add something to give us a better understanding or more excitement from our viewing pleasure.
this is called story telling. the first time you tell the story, its very gritty and maybe has holes, but as you tell the story over and over you fill in all the gaps in the story and it flows more smoothly and makes more sense to those who listen.
i know this concept may be difficult for some of you to understand, thats why im explaining it. trust me.
so in conclusion on that point... the anime is every bit and even more so, of the same story as the manga. to believe otherwise is totally delusion and absolutely ridiculous. case closed.
unfortunately there are discrepancies, such as...
something in the anime, that was not in the manga.(such as the coffin discussed above)
the manga having a part that hasnt even been created in the anime yet (like this chapter for instance its way ahead of the anime and we wont see it in the anime for some time to come.)
words in one, that are different in the other, leading to diff interpretations. (BOTH are translated into english and not even by the same source, so unless you go straight to the original and can read that, you will always be getting second hand interpretations. learn to deal with it.)
can ANYONE give me an example of something that was in the manga, that NEVER has made an appearance in the anime? ANYTHING FROM ANYONE?
if not... then id say the anime is a pretty damn good copy of the manga, with a lot of added extra bonuses like filler stories about characters and extra tidbits in the anime that complete a scene and make it more of a complete story.
so in conclusion...
the anime and manga are two sides of the same coin, sometimes they mirror each other perfectly, and at other times, they seem to be a little different. however if anyone tries to claim that they are not the same story and should be viewed completely separate, I think that person is a moron.
lets take the most recent anime episode for example.
narutos mission for ninja tools with tenten and neji.
NOT in the manga. however, i find it a great addition to the narutoverse.
it was great seeing tenten really shine, i gained a new sort of respect for her.
she was made to look a little like a clown, but this time she really shined.
so i would say that the anime is BETTER and MORE COMPLETE of a story than the manga, because in the manga, poor tenten looks like a joke, and we never see her excel. yet in the anime, she is given the time of day, and looks like a real ninja.
thus proving my point above, that the anime is an updated version of the manga. and that the anime should be treated as a more complete source for the narutoverse. except for the manga that has not been converted into anime yet, because it will always be behind as long as both are still being created and worked upon. the anime tries to catch up... and the manga keeps going... so in an effort to not catch up, they add more story to the anime. in my mind, a giant plus. to those of you out there thinking that sucks, i think you suck. just my opinion. take it or leave it.
the anime is a very faithful copy of the manga. it doesnt have less than the manga. it has MORE. and like the commercials say "more is better" and in this case i agree. more hate, not better. more destruction, not better. more food, more love, more explanation? way better.
now, having said, AND EXPLAINED that...
lets focus on the current situation in the manga.
a few things to discuss.
jiraiya was not shown resurrected, yet he still could be in the future, i suppose.
unless his death in the ocean, or his contract with the toads, or some other unknown factor of edo tensei, prevents it.
i hope that he doesnt get brought back, and i would like to hope that if anyone's soul is protected, its his. he doesnt deserve to be treated like a tool. he is a hero.
there may be steps that one can take, to avoid being summoned by edotensei. hell, i just dont know enough about it. i dont think any of us do, to say what can and cant happen with it yet. if nothing else, its proven to be very shocking.
kabuto's summoning... pretty damn impressive. he is a mass murderer and had to have a body to sacrifice for every single one of those corpses. that is disgusting. he prepped all those coffins and corpses and souls. who knows how long it took him to amass that army of dead people? he really is serious. and i dont believe that chakra plays a very large factor in this summoning... i think preparation is more key. its not like he can just go, "i want to summon this soul!" and it happens. its not like that at all. its way more preparation and planning. orochimaru worked hard on getting the 3 hokages. and i bet kabuto has worked even harder than that to get this massive collection he has.
edo tensei, like i said, is what i believe to be a time/space technique that is still of great speculation, and i hope for some more explanation on how it works, and what its restrictions are. however, remember that if he places a fuda inside them, and they are brought back fully, that not even kabutos death will stop them.
the shinobi forces will have to do more than kill kabuto (which they cant do anyways.) to stop the edo tensei. my hope is that naruto's new powers will sense the desecration of the souls and will be able to have some power to free them.
he sensed kisame's evil intentions. perhaps he will feel the corpses/souls reappearance and will have some power to stop them. that is my hope. but maybe there is another way for the shinobi forces to stop that edo tensei...im not sure what that could be though...maybe some new unknown...sarutobi said nothing good will come of toying with the past. maybe he was foreshadowing this moment.
madara's eyes... he made the right choice keeping one of each doujutsu.
sharingan is way too powerful to just toss aside for two rinnengans. that would be stupider than all hell. he has the izanagi, and the time/space justus because of the sharingan as far as i can tell. why would he give that up? and the new addition of the rinnengan is just all too sweet. great move! he will be a SERIOUS hazard now. look how easily he manipulated things during the kage meeting. he killed danzo's body guards very quickly, and brought sasuke in to fight danzo, then sat back and watched. then came back later to pickup sasuke when he was facing off against naruto. that was all prior to having the rinnengan. in all honesty, we havent seen him do anything with the rinnengan yet... it is going to be out of this world. and i wouldnt be surprised if he has a new power because of the combination between the doujutsu's.
i agree with what was said about itachis gift to naruto.
it is most likely something to do with shutting down sasuke.
that is what they were discussing when he gave it to naruto.
as far as sasuke...it will be interesting to see what new technique he gets as a result of the EMS.
his powers are already over the top. much more and he will be virtually unstoppable.
i feel confidant that somehow, he will be stopped by naruto, or will finally realize the error of his ways, and come around to the good side once again. no one is ever truly past redemption, until death.
btw, i would say that kisame is not resurrected, because kabuto did not have time to acquire the necessary articles... he would need another sacrifice for one, and for two he might need time to collect a piece or pieces of kisame (which may not be available currently). i dont think that we will see kisame in the edo tensei, anytime soon if ever.
i guess thats enough for now. i could go on, but i think this post will do the job. for now.
PositiveEmotions
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kiotsukatanna
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That's exactly how I've always felt about the anime. Thank you for putting it into words.
I think you have a point about Kabuto. When you put it in terms like that, preperation would be a big deal and probably a big part of the whole jutsu. However, when referring to Kisame, I will point out that it doesn't say anywhere that you need any other "pieces" of someone other than their soul, so Kabuto attaining pieces of Kisame is not a problem.
My two thoughts on Kisame is:
1) The first one I ever mentioned on this thread, which is that of my thinking that they are not aware of Kisame's death. That's my opinion and I've already explained my reasoning on the thread, so I really don't feel like going through it again.
2) To think of it more from Kishimoto's standpoint, perhaps he doesn't feel the need to do any more with Kisame. Perhaps the lack of Kisame is simply Kishimoto's feelings that he's finished with Kisame, that he no longer needs to use him for a plot device, that his part to the story has been done. I don't know, but the thought just occurred to me as I was reading Omnigan's post. If you think of it from an author's standpoint, Kisame's absence may not be a sign that Kabuto can't or didn't summon him, but that, after the part he's already played, he doesn't have any more importance.
At least for the moment. I admit that that could, in fact, be subject to change, depending on what Kishimoto has in mind.
That's exactly how I've always felt about the anime. Thank you for putting it into words.
I think you have a point about Kabuto. When you put it in terms like that, preperation would be a big deal and probably a big part of the whole jutsu. However, when referring to Kisame, I will point out that it doesn't say anywhere that you need any other "pieces" of someone other than their soul, so Kabuto attaining pieces of Kisame is not a problem.
My two thoughts on Kisame is:
1) The first one I ever mentioned on this thread, which is that of my thinking that they are not aware of Kisame's death. That's my opinion and I've already explained my reasoning on the thread, so I really don't feel like going through it again.
2) To think of it more from Kishimoto's standpoint, perhaps he doesn't feel the need to do any more with Kisame. Perhaps the lack of Kisame is simply Kishimoto's feelings that he's finished with Kisame, that he no longer needs to use him for a plot device, that his part to the story has been done. I don't know, but the thought just occurred to me as I was reading Omnigan's post. If you think of it from an author's standpoint, Kisame's absence may not be a sign that Kabuto can't or didn't summon him, but that, after the part he's already played, he doesn't have any more importance.
At least for the moment. I admit that that could, in fact, be subject to change, depending on what Kishimoto has in mind.
my point is that it may not require pieces of the individual but it DOES have requirements. like i said. you cant just say i summon thee minato! and out he comes. it doesn't work like that.
there is at the very least the need of preparation of a sacrifice.
then most likely the acquisition of some sort of something about the individual to be revived. it has to have SOME way of targeting WHO is being resurrected. whether it be dna or whatever. i dont know what it is, like i said. but i can say that its something.
where the hell do all the coffins come from?? are they part of the summon? i doubt it. the coffin is a gate way? hell i dont know... my point is that kisame JUST died. kabuto didnt have time to prep HIM as a summon. do you see what i mean? like if gai sensei had died instead of kisame.. would kabuto have had time to summon him as well? i say hell no. it has requirements, we just have no positive evidence of what they are.
so thats why i said no kisame. based on the thing we do know. there is at least some prep required... sorry kisame lovers. he wont be back soon, if ever.
oh, and my pleasure about the putting it into words about the anime.
it was really getting under my skin the way some people on here are treating it.
i had to say how i really felt. im glad you at least appreciated it, even if they dont.
thanks for reading my post. some people dont seem to have the patience/intelligence required. ah wells. such is life.
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Yukimaru Yoshi
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not to be mean but ppl like u make other ppl on this forum have to repeat themselves 100x times because u refuse to read..if u read somethings maybe things will be more clear to you. I do agree to a point however that omni post was a little long but hey its for a good reason. So ppl need to read each other post so this forum would have some life to it.
kiotsukatanna
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Ooh... That's a very good point. How DOES the jutsu target the subject? I had never thought about that and no one on here has given that reasoning... Given that line of thought, you must certainly wonder what that could be. People's suggestion of DNA makes a little more sense, but I doubt that to be it. After all, how could Orochimaru have obtained the DNA of those two Hokage? But then that reminds me that he did indeed obtain the DNA of the 1st Hokage for his wood jutsu, so who's to say that he had not obtained the DNA of the 2nd as well? Who's to say that Kabuto, who is very similar to Orochimaru in that aspect, couldn't have obtained the DNA of all those other shinobi as well?
Now, I'm not saying that DNA is the suspected target, but it certainly could make a good deal more sense, I suppose, with the exception of those who may have been so completely obliterated that DNA could not have been left. Ex: Deidara (Then again, there were his arms...)
Alright, I'm going to cut that rant off or I'll end up debating with myself for pages.
Anyway, you're welcome. I'm really glad someone managed to explain it properly.
Thank you for reading my mind. XD Lol.
PositiveEmotions
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my pleasure, again. im glad you see what im trying to say about the edo tensei. and youre right about the dna being a possibility. hell, for all we know, if the 2nd hokage was one of the first to use edo tensei, maybe orochimaru gained that ability by acquiring some of then 2nd's dna. and by that right, maybe kabuto has followed the same path. we know that they are both like the nazi doctors of ages past. they dont care who they kill to get what they want. and kabuto traveling around scooping up samples of old powerful ninjas so that he can rez them sounds totally possible to me. it would have been easy for orochimaru to obtain samples from the 1st, 2nd, and 4th hokage.Ooh... That's a very good point. How DOES the jutsu target the subject? I had never thought about that and no one on here has given that reasoning... Given that line of thought, you must certainly wonder what that could be. People's suggestion of DNA makes a little more sense, but I doubt that to be it. After all, how could Orochimaru have obtained the DNA of those two Hokage? But then that reminds me that he did indeed obtain the DNA of the 1st Hokage for his wood jutsu, so who's to say that he had not obtained the DNA of the 2nd as well? Who's to say that Kabuto, who is very similar to Orochimaru in that aspect, couldn't have obtained the DNA of all those other shinobi as well?
Now, I'm not saying that DNA is the suspected target, but it certainly could make a good deal more sense, I suppose, with the exception of those who may have been so completely obliterated that DNA could not have been left. Ex: Deidara (Then again, there were his arms...)
Alright, I'm going to cut that rant off or I'll end up debating with myself for pages.
Anyway, you're welcome. I'm really glad someone managed to explain it properly.
like i said though. i dont know that its dna. but it has to be something.
id like for kishi to clarify it in these upcoming chapters. now is a good time considering this most recent chapter.
and positive emotions is as humorous as he is annoying.
his one liner posts make me want to laugh.
and posting that he wont read my post makes me want to kick him.
if you dont want to read it, then dont. but dont post that you wont read it and that i should explain it in one line. i mean, if i could explain it in one line, you would already understand it. the reason i have to write more, is to explain it, because you obviously DONT get it. however youre too lazy to read it and try to understand it, so whatevs i guess. i dont care if he reads it or not. i write it for people that want to read it, and want to have a grownup conversation with me about this wonderful story that kishi created.
kiotsukatanna
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Yes, yes, that's what I'm thinking. It makes sense now that you pointed out what you did. Up until now I had been completely brushing off DNA, but your comment on target really opened my eyes as to how it could possibly be that key component. I also would like for Kishimoto to explain this further.
*nods* I understand. I feel the same way. I mean no offense to Positive Emotions, if you are reading this, but it is a bit exasperating. *grins* I'm glad that you also like the idea of actually discussing and conversing chapters. *********** was wonderful in that aspect, but there were so many negative, pessimistic people who knew JUST the right way to ruin the happy moods of those who actually enjoyed the chapters (Not to mention the rampant One Piece fans who seemed to always manage to find a way to argue how much better One Piece was to Naruto) that it really made having these grownup conversations, as you put it, difficult.
Thank you for the conversation.
steezygezzy
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eyesofthekyuubi44
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I'm actually amazed by how people cannot understand the manga.
We saw a FEW shinobi from the "famous" category.
Do you honestly think it was only Zabuza, Haku, and Asuma? There are people who are going to be seen summoned that we haven't seen yet. It would make sense that Jiraiya would be more climactic sometime later.
Orochimaru is sealed inside a sword. He isn't alive inside Kabuto. If the couple dumbasses that think Orochimaru is alive in Kabuto, then remember that Itachi sealed Orochimaru AFTER Kabuto integrated his remains.
We saw a FEW shinobi from the "famous" category.
Do you honestly think it was only Zabuza, Haku, and Asuma? There are people who are going to be seen summoned that we haven't seen yet. It would make sense that Jiraiya would be more climactic sometime later.
Orochimaru is sealed inside a sword. He isn't alive inside Kabuto. If the couple dumbasses that think Orochimaru is alive in Kabuto, then remember that Itachi sealed Orochimaru AFTER Kabuto integrated his remains.
Cooldragon
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silenceofthelambs
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Now that I think about it, that post of mine did sound as if I was doing a lead on a breaking news story for the newsreel. It sounds quite ludicrous to me.Nice. A lot like a new reporter.
All well said. I haven't read the Naruto manga all the way through so I know of no instance where a manga section was left out; but I know that there was an instance in the Bleach Universe that a small portion of the manga was not included in the anime. It was when Aizen was orginally leaving Seretei with Gin and Tosen. In the anime, we only saw one of the 4 total gate guards (that huge ape like guy) but in the manga the other three were seen as allies of Aizen and were subdued.
But ya, I agree that while the anime and manga are separate, we should consider the anime a more complete story. Plus, look on the bright side; Naruto fillers are either directly connected to the manga, or at worst, loosly connected to the manga. Its in no way like the Bleach fillers where the filler stories seem absolutely worthless and ridiculous. At least they have made up new attacks for naruto in fillers, Ichigo never does anything new to defeat a filler enemy lol.
Aww this is a very interesting thought. You are right, it is on a lot of people's minds why Kisame wasn't summoned and a few people have raised concerns about Konan. When I think about it, I would have been pretty pissed off to see Kisame revived this soon after being killed. I mean I had a lot of respect for how he died and if he was brought back this soon with that so fresh in mind I would be pissed off far more than not seeing him among the numerous revived.That's exactly how I've always felt about the anime. Thank you for putting it into words.
I think you have a point about Kabuto. When you put it in terms like that, preperation would be a big deal and probably a big part of the whole jutsu. However, when referring to Kisame, I will point out that it doesn't say anywhere that you need any other "pieces" of someone other than their soul, so Kabuto attaining pieces of Kisame is not a problem.
My two thoughts on Kisame is:
1) The first one I ever mentioned on this thread, which is that of my thinking that they are not aware of Kisame's death. That's my opinion and I've already explained my reasoning on the thread, so I really don't feel like going through it again.
2) To think of it more from Kishimoto's standpoint, perhaps he doesn't feel the need to do any more with Kisame. Perhaps the lack of Kisame is simply Kishimoto's feelings that he's finished with Kisame, that he no longer needs to use him for a plot device, that his part to the story has been done. I don't know, but the thought just occurred to me as I was reading Omnigan's post. If you think of it from an author's standpoint, Kisame's absence may not be a sign that Kabuto can't or didn't summon him, but that, after the part he's already played, he doesn't have any more importance.
At least for the moment. I admit that that could, in fact, be subject to change, depending on what Kishimoto has in mind.
Perhaps Kishi feels the same way and doesn't want to disgrace Kisame by reviving him so soon. I think, however, that he doesn't want us to think that way and instead is hiding behind the more logical excuse that Kabuto did not have the time to prepare a new body/ soul capturing for Kisame. Maybe the same is true about Jiraya, but our emotions have had far more time to quell over Jiraya's death for sure.
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I still think that there will be another 2.5-3 year time skip a short time after the war is done, followed by another 250+ chapters (or so I'd like to think) before Sasuke is killed/ sacrifices himself and both Madara and Kabuto are defeated. Of course that would be followed by Naruto becoming Hokage
This is exactly what i have been thinking too! I actually starting thinking that back when i predicted this war (back when Tobi said he was madara and itachi died). I think you and i are on to something here dude. Although i think the time skip may happen during the middle of the war after something crucial happens. Like another fight with sasuke or a naruto versus undead jiraiya (though jiraiya may still be alive since pein said he could bring people back). Also what do you guys think about this? This may be completely stupid but i think i might have figured something out that may actually make since.
What if Kabuto actually is, incarnate or something, the Death Demon. Or maybe he like signed a contract or something like that. Just some how is connected to the death demon. I mean, this would explain how he has such a mastery of edo tensei and could allow him to use the people how are owned my the death demon (minato for example). This would also set the motivation for him wanting to like kill all of these people and stuff/take control of the world (a.k.a. be a main antagonist). He could have a set amount of people he must sacrafice to the Death Demon (of just for himself if he is the Death Demon). Then again i could be a complete moron here. I would like to add that i think Kabuto is standing on the sidelines for this war, and as the shinobis die, he will do his whole sacrafice thing and resurect them as they die. For example, If asume defeats shikamaru, he could resurect shikamaru as an undead zombie(not that i think that will happen.) Oh and back to jiraiya, i think he will either be an undead zombie and fight naruto, or jumo out and save naruto at some point. Your thoughts on any and everything i have said?
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