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Hehe. Well first off there was an uncofirmed spoiler about 2 years ago at nwanime.com forum where they predicted that the chapters will end at 525.
I think i've hear it nearly from an iterview if my memorie reminds me well, that Kishi sad that it will end on the end of 2010 - 2011 (I'm not sure about that)

And of course the last and least of all the arguments.... The war is starting right?? That's the closing point of the history. THey will fight as one, naruto will maybe bring back sasuke on the good side and become hokage and of course it's the moment when everything's gonna change. The child of the prophecy will deploy his Brightness!

But i'm not sure about that.
Ah, I see. I thought it might have been an interview or something like that. You kinda threw me off with the 10 chapters thing, though. Lol. I sincerely doubt that war is going to take 10 chapters, and then there's the wrap-ups after the war, tying of loose ends, etc. etc. So, I'd think PainShinra below's idea of 50-70 chapters is more accurate. :) Thank you for explaining that though.

But the whole war-arc can't just be for 10 chapters...I bet at least 50, if we consider how long the Pain-Arc was, it included Jiraya-Arc and Konoha Destruction-Arc.
Moreover Kishimoto would never bring out the 515 with that lots of information with all the generals just for nothing...There have to be at least 4 epic battles (4 battles of the 4 generals), +madara vs. naruto (+sasuke), freeing yamato, secret of Tobi and Zetsu, defeating Kabuto, why Nagatos Rinnegan belongs to Madara, etc. etc..
Naruto will take AT LEAST 50-70 chapters ->50-70 weeks, then we have end of 2011...We have enough time to wait and watch the stupid filler anime crap with bad animators...:]
 

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About the whole senju and uchiha blood....

The SO6P passed his will to two brothers (and after reading the chapter were madara explains it, i got the impression that they weren't SO6P sons), they were the ones that originated the whole shinobi world. Even if there were more shinobi at that time, those two would mix with others shinobi clans, those with others, and so on... Since the uchiha are a more closed clan, they mixed less, staying more pure. or so to speak. Senju blood (lets call the blood of the younger brother) mixed with a number of clans. The clan Uzumaki problaby has antescestry in that blood. Senju were just the clan were that blood manifested the most... But one can assume for example that byakugan is a misture of uchiha and another clans blood. And nagato could have been the son of madara and a uzumaki woman for example. and having both sides of the SO6P gave him the rinnegan. Thus making madara do the claim that the rinnegan was his to start with.

Just remember that there were two bloodlines that started all of the others... So senju blood and uchiha blood can be in almost all the clans, ones with more strengh than in the others but still....

Besides, its more like two oposite forces... to be a senju you don't have to be able to control wood or the biju...tsunade is senju and she doesnt...

But hey, its only a way of seeing things...




I agree with almost all that you said.

Shinobi seems weak but if you look closely, it really has the upper hand. But this is based on a big IF.

- IF kabutos abilities are limited to what we've seen so far. IF he has something more than EdoTensei up his sleeve, then it's hard to say... Besides, he can wait in the shadows, far from the battle and let his "edotenseisummonedsouls" (lol) fight in the from lines. And since they themselves are invincible, kabuto must know that they will target him. So he won't be easy to beat. This is the bigger question. Is kabutos big ability edotensei? is he able to do something else that decides the course of the battle? He fled against 8 tails, 9 tails, yamato, tchusikage and his two aids, etc. These (with exception of yamato) will be in the battles so...if he fled them, he must know that he will lose against them...and thats not taking in to acount all the others that will be in the battle. But its a long shot.

But there are many other ifs and question marks:

- what are the zetsus clones capable of? when they appeared in the summit, they were easily defeated and disabled by oonoki and the others...
- is the battle the whole purpose that madara wishes to accomplish? I have a gut feeling that the whole battle isn't more than a diversion for something else. Of course his objective is to gain control over the last two jinchuriki...but does he really think he can do it with this fight? I mean, he never tried to do anything so open...so...why now? he could wait...and use kabuto to try and catch either of them...or even to individually kill the kages and further weakening the hidden villages...it seems rushed...
- will sasuke join the battle and in what side?
-What the hell will madara be able to do with the rinnegan?
-were is the rest of Hawk? will they be in what side?

All of these influence if "shinobi" can win against akatsuki.

I really believe that shinobi has the upper hand...but surprises will come...and we haven't seen what madara can really do...his battle with minato... the whole arm thing that he grew back...amaterasu burning him and then he appears untouched... I'm starting to believe that madara is madara but not madara... well...what if he uses a zetsu white clone and controls it from a distance? so that he can spare his real self...I mean, why didn't he transplant both rinnegan? if that were the real him, he would have transplanted both in him... He didn't...he has one stored, and used one on that clone...and a sharingan...that's why we haven't seen his EMS powers yet...that clone doesn't have them... And it would make sense... Zetsus white side was created by harashisamas cells...and with the sharingan and the rinnegan in that body...well, he would virtually have both sides of the SO6P...so he would be able to do all of the techniques...also, he used izanagi with konan...so it means that he has the 1st blood/body in him. If it is a white clone controled from afar by him, this starts to make sense. And if so, even the whole battle isn't against madara and as such...he could appear anytime to turn the tide...

What do you think?
that's very interesting thinking. we have also seen that there's possibility that half of the body of tobi black when he was fighting with konan.
 

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Epic chapter, im really satisfied with this week's release.. The 4th shinobi war will take place soon, it's going to be a devastating war ofcourse.. Akatsuki members will be at the front line along with the 5 former kages leading the zetsu troops as well as the other resurrected ninjas... and i think kabuto should form a bomb squad appointing deidara as a leader, .Because deidara's explosion technique is very useful in this war.. So what do you think?
 

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Epic chapter, im really satisfied with this week's release.. The 4th shinobi war will take place soon, it's going to be a devastating war ofcourse.. Akatsuki members will be at the front line along with the 5 former kages leading the zetsu troops as well as the other resurrected ninjas... and i think kabuto should form a bomb squad appointing deidara as a leader, .Because deidara's explosion technique is very useful in this war.. So what do you think?
Just like before gaara will protect people from sky attacks.:mugi:
 

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Madara with one Rinnegan and his Sharingan seems really strong but what about Kabuto looks like he can summon any one and any number of dead guys he want wonder who is the stronger of the two?
 

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About the whole senju and uchiha blood....

The SO6P passed his will to two brothers (and after reading the chapter were madara explains it, i got the impression that they weren't SO6P sons), they were the ones that originated the whole shinobi world. Even if there were more shinobi at that time, those two would mix with others shinobi clans, those with others, and so on... Since the uchiha are a more closed clan, they mixed less, staying more pure. or so to speak. Senju blood (lets call the blood of the younger brother) mixed with a number of clans. The clan Uzumaki problaby has antescestry in that blood. Senju were just the clan were that blood manifested the most... But one can assume for example that byakugan is a misture of uchiha and another clans blood. And nagato could have been the son of madara and a uzumaki woman for example. and having both sides of the SO6P gave him the rinnegan. Thus making madara do the claim that the rinnegan was his to start with.

Just remember that there were two bloodlines that started all of the others... So senju blood and uchiha blood can be in almost all the clans, ones with more strengh than in the others but still....

Besides, its more like two oposite forces... to be a senju you don't have to be able to control wood or the biju...tsunade is senju and she doesnt...

But hey, its only a way of seeing things...




I agree with almost all that you said.

Shinobi seems weak but if you look closely, it really has the upper hand. But this is based on a big IF.

- IF kabutos abilities are limited to what we've seen so far. IF he has something more than EdoTensei up his sleeve, then it's hard to say... Besides, he can wait in the shadows, far from the battle and let his "edotenseisummonedsouls" (lol) fight in the from lines. And since they themselves are invincible, kabuto must know that they will target him. So he won't be easy to beat. This is the bigger question. Is kabutos big ability edotensei? is he able to do something else that decides the course of the battle? He fled against 8 tails, 9 tails, yamato, tchusikage and his two aids, etc. These (with exception of yamato) will be in the battles so...if he fled them, he must know that he will lose against them...and thats not taking in to acount all the others that will be in the battle. But its a long shot.

But there are many other ifs and question marks:

- what are the zetsus clones capable of? when they appeared in the summit, they were easily defeated and disabled by oonoki and the others...
- is the battle the whole purpose that madara wishes to accomplish? I have a gut feeling that the whole battle isn't more than a diversion for something else. Of course his objective is to gain control over the last two jinchuriki...but does he really think he can do it with this fight? I mean, he never tried to do anything so open...so...why now? he could wait...and use kabuto to try and catch either of them...or even to individually kill the kages and further weakening the hidden villages...it seems rushed...
- will sasuke join the battle and in what side?
-What the hell will madara be able to do with the rinnegan?
-were is the rest of Hawk? will they be in what side?

All of these influence if "shinobi" can win against akatsuki.

I really believe that shinobi has the upper hand...but surprises will come...and we haven't seen what madara can really do...his battle with minato... the whole arm thing that he grew back...amaterasu burning him and then he appears untouched... I'm starting to believe that madara is madara but not madara... well...what if he uses a zetsu white clone and controls it from a distance? so that he can spare his real self...I mean, why didn't he transplant both rinnegan? if that were the real him, he would have transplanted both in him... He didn't...he has one stored, and used one on that clone...and a sharingan...that's why we haven't seen his EMS powers yet...that clone doesn't have them... And it would make sense... Zetsus white side was created by harashisamas cells...and with the sharingan and the rinnegan in that body...well, he would virtually have both sides of the SO6P...so he would be able to do all of the techniques...also, he used izanagi with konan...so it means that he has the 1st blood/body in him. If it is a white clone controled from afar by him, this starts to make sense. And if so, even the whole battle isn't against madara and as such...he could appear anytime to turn the tide...

What do you think?
yes, i really think the shinobi alliance will have the upper hand with or without the 2 perfect hosts and with or with out the conditions if and only ifs.
"the good over evil" mentality -- this could not go wrong.

your so6p bloodline descendants' thoughts are very inviting. it is like the adam and eve of the bible or the vampires and werewolves stories.
the uchiha clan descendants were the protectionists type--very japanese culture.
the senju clan shinobis were the melange of the clans as the opposite of the uchiha. yes, they are opposites. opposites attract, then if the attraction happens = so6p dna.
we still need to know more of the so6p after Naruto becomes the so6p. we can't rely on what madara told sasuke. madara is a liar.
the way i see things, we could discuss the paths again someday.

as for, kabuto and madara hiding in the dark waiting for an ambush controlling those hapless summons and zetsus -- the talented shinobi divisions will get to locate them. even going after a fleeing evil tandem, the allied shinobi force is more than capable of finishing them off (i am just waiting for creative posters to do so).
yes, kabuto's main weapon so far is edo tensei. his snake like feature is vulnerable as orochimaru's. his monster-like feature wont scare of a hinata's byakugan. Naruto's cloak will send this monster shredding and go for an eternal hibernation. kabuto will again "flee" as you said. kabuto is a born retreat- boy. he wont fight to the end like a dignified shinobi. very serpentish.
the many ifs...madara's rinnegan by far is not as promising as sasuke's unseen eyes. the zetsu's capabilities are still unknown...
madara's izanagi is a draining jutsu -- a defense jutsu similar to susanoo.

i like your qurery re sasuke...will he be fighting for which side?
an honest answer would be..i don't know. this is like saying Naruto and bee will not fight for the allied forces because they won't be permitted to do so.
i hope he fights for the alliance.
this thought is more than just reading between the lines. sasuke was just shown with bandages with zetsu on the look-out; just as Naruto is being trained by bee in the island landed in the rocklands --whoahhh what a rhyme.

should sasuke fight for the evil tandem, oh my oh my...it will be a different story.

but yes, the alliance will have the upper hand and they will win this first tide of the war.

it is just the "aliance's true abilities of winning"-- we have to wait a bit longer though.
 

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yes, i really think the shinobi alliance will have the upper hand with or without the 2 perfect hosts and with or with out the conditions if and only ifs.
"the good over evil" mentality -- this could not go wrong.

your so6p bloodline descendants' thoughts are very inviting. it is like the adam and eve of the bible or the vampires and werewolves stories.
the uchiha clan descendants were the protectionists type--very japanese culture.
the senju clan shinobis were the melange of the clans as the opposite of the uchiha. yes, they are opposites. opposites attract, then if the attraction happens = so6p dna.
we still need to know more of the so6p after Naruto becomes the so6p. we can't rely on what madara told sasuke. madara is a liar.
the way i see things, we could discuss the paths again someday.

as for, kabuto and madara hiding in the dark waiting for an ambush controlling those hapless summons and zetsus -- the talented shinobi divisions will get to locate them. even going after a fleeing evil tandem, the allied shinobi force is more than capable of finishing them off (i am just waiting for creative posters to do so).
yes, kabuto's main weapon so far is edo tensei. his snake like feature is vulnerable as orochimaru's. his monster-like feature wont scare of a hinata's byakugan. Naruto's cloak will send this monster shredding and go for an eternal hibernation. kabuto will again "flee" as you said. kabuto is a born retreat- boy. he wont fight to the end like a dignified shinobi. very serpentish.
the many ifs...madara's rinnegan by far is not as promising as sasuke's unseen eyes. the zetsu's capabilities are still unknown...
madara's izanagi is a draining jutsu -- a defense jutsu similar to susanoo.

i like your qurery re sasuke...will he be fighting for which side?
an honest answer would be..i don't know. this is like saying Naruto and bee will not fight for the allied forces because they won't be permitted to do so.
i hope he fights for the alliance.
this thought is more than just reading between the lines. sasuke was just shown with bandages with zetsu on the look-out; just as Naruto is being trained by bee in the island landed in the rocklands --whoahhh what a rhyme.

should sasuke fight for the evil tandem, oh my oh my...it will be a different story.

but yes, the alliance will have the upper hand and they will win this first tide of the war.

it is just the "aliance's true abilities of winning"-- we have to wait a bit longer though.


I agree with much of what you said. This really is getting to a boiling point and the lid will fly from the pot... What makes me sad is that with the ressurection of all the past heroes and villains at once for ONE battle...one LAST battle? The manga is coming to an end... :S


As for Zetsu....crazy theory came to mind... White side made from harashisama cells... but what about black side? Madara's cells? Tobirama cells? Orochimaru cells? Minato cells? What's the black side of zetsu? Theres more to zetsu than his cloning abilities...oh and by the way...is he capable of controlling wood or earth or water? Harashisama DNA...he appears with a huge fly-trap-like leaf involving him...so, does he have any afilition with mokuton? Because the white side of zetsu seems to have grown from that tree-like-thing with yamato and the clone of harashisama... is the dark side madara? and the white side is only supporting him? it's confusing...

What do you think?
 

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I believe there will be atleast 40 more chapters to come, Kishi going to draw the battle out & if it is the last one we should all realise now that Kishi will make this battle mind blowing.
 

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Just like before gaara will protect people from sky attacks.:mugi:
It's true that gaara managed to protect his village by using his sand as a shield when deidara dropped the C3.. But remember this, Deidara is not only capable of doing aerial attack but ground attack as well.. with his C2 dragon, he could create land fields which is released from the mouth of the dragon and plant them which acts as a trap just like what he did during his battle against sasuke..
 

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Awesome
Words can't describe how awesome this chapter was
-Kakashi's a general
-The Tsuchikage carrying that whole Island
-Naruto using the Rikudou mode as an arm, that puts that theory rest. If Naruto ketches you with that its over.
-The new joint shinobi headbands. I can't Waite till Naruto sport that baby.
-All of Akatsuki, the jinchurriki, other dead kage and other powerful shinobi. He better bring back Jiraiya because he was as powerful as Oro without sage mode.

I can't wait till Naruto joins the war, with his new powers he will be like his father the special reinforces, the carvery, the air strike.
 

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It's true that gaara managed to protect his village by using his sand as a shield when deidara dropped the C3.. But remember this, Deidara is not only capable of doing aerial attack but ground attack as well.. with his C2 dragon, he could create land fields which is released from the mouth of the dragon and plant them which acts as a trap just like what he did during his battle against sasuke..
i Would not say his Sand, i would say the sand around Sand village...
 
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oh yeah right, the sand "around the sand village".. In that case, gaara will only able to use that ultimate defense around his village, unless the war takes place at a sandy area..
We have yet to see gaara fight to his full potential without his tail beast..im sure there are somethings he wont be able to great extent do to the lack of chakara boost from his tailed beast..but still gaara is a pretty gud mid range to long range fighter..close combat isn't his type..

I have a feeling during half way through the war sasuke and naruto will finally meet up and that promising battle will commense..also, sasuke will finally be lifted out of the darkness hes in..Itachi might intervine in that fight and tell sasuke the real truth...
 
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