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I'm pretty sure that it's not Kabuto...
It's Orochimaru because he took Kabuto's body instead of Sasuke's....

It would be really epic if it would be Orochimaru ;D
 

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Dude I couldn't of said any of it better!! I used to like kabuto at the academy.. but not asmuch as sasuke or naruto.. you're rite .. sasuke was stronger than kabuto at that time.. but so was naruto!!

Kabuto following in oro path is jus all he knows.. but i wouldnt of went as far as changing into a snake. I have nothing against oro he is badass an will foreva be a baddass shinobi.. he wasn't as strong as pein, itachi, jairaya, naruto, or madara. But he was a bad ass who new a hell of alot of ninjutsu's an he managed to kill alot of shinobi. In the end he still a snake an that is why he is so weak compared to ninja like the 8tails.
Yo mystikk!!!

It has been a long time.

I think that we both like sasuke and Naruto. I guess that we both dislike kabuto in his present role and stature. Correct me if I am wrong.

And yes, Orochimaru had the gift – the power of the white snake. Badass was that gift. I could have liked oro too. But he used his genius to evil doings. That was the main reason he failed. He could have gone stronger than the other akatsuki members. He was that ambitious to pursue loneliness and dark force power.

I admire oro’s role from the start. he was a pupil of the third (my avatar), he became a legendary sannin for some reasons. I pity that he wasted his energies.
Evil makes one weak. oro became this weak character – I pity he had no other twist in the manga. But kabuto will have his chance. This is why kabuto is also weak – weak is his role. madara is the man.

And sasuke, he is like Naruto. We should enjoy the wait.

Sasuke is not at all dark. He will be enlightened by Naruto’s passion for Love and light.
Sasuke is on a mission for the trurh. This mission traverses no boundaries in this manga.
Naruto and sasuke’s characters rock.

I will enjoy no limits of chapters to witness these events.
_____

Whoaaah…great exchange…beautiful…beautiful

Nice posts omningan…silenceofthelambs…cool.
Where were you guys when I was on line? Naah just kidding..
your posts looked like my school project.

Very philosophical indeed…
I thrive with challenges…
But I like to survive reasoning with motivations…
Guys, just a request…I truly believe that this is not only mine…could we just motivate???…let us invite others to join…than issue challenges that are a bit egoistic. And if we could use simple words for others to participate, mannn you two rockkkk.

Glad you speak your minds and not just redirect facts or quote great thoughts owned by great philosophers or linguists. Simple words coined with depth reap enjoyment in readers.

Swinging doors…not this...but those are…yebaaa
Try these ones…(just hope we don’t sway away from the real forum topic)

1. Is Naruto the truth that he isn’t yet?
2. Did sasuke really hate himself that he hated the world after his brother bred his hatred?
3. Why is kabuto thinking he is powerful when he knew from the start that the enemies were more powerful than him?
4. Can you win an impossible war?
5. Who is black zetsu, while white zetsu is unknown?
6. Tobi claims to be madara but he is not sure if madara was killed by the 1st hokage.
Silenceofthelambs…please do the honor.
I will just sit back and enjoy the roller coaster ride.
We have time…next chapter’s not due yet.

Omningan…I would like to share something about LOVE.
We might not agree with each others views..but we could be friends..at least with the exchange.
I can’t press you to accept my predicaments, but at least stay with the premises that I would state. Let us have a common ground (vague or specific whatever it may be).
You got great posts man. I like your style, very perceptive and a bit insensitive.

Let us start with LOVE.
Love has many kinds. I could not care less should you know them all.

Love above all else is Life.
Love is transcending, it radiates to everything it has meaning with. It overflows like water in the ocean. It is ever present like the air you breathe. It is the reason we have a world we live in. It is the fire that keeps burning in our hearts.
Love is the light in every path we take. It is the guide to choices in crossroads.
Love is blind (this most famous line). It means to me that love chooses everyone, everything and all thinkable ideas.

Love encompasses emotions. Emotions are aspects leading to the path that is love.
Love embodies all feelings. It holds no boundaries to what anyone can say or do.

Love is the greatest virtue. Religions, faith, fate and beliefs cling to love as the center.
God is love. Minds are empty without love in the corner of it. Perceptions, inceptions or concepts remain blank without it.

Love is the main reason for living. Emptiness is the absence of love, so is hatred, so is darkness and WEAKNESS.

Because Love above all else is Life, it gives us STRENGTH.


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omningan...
silenceofthelambs...

i admit i was not able to join because you two were great. interruptions will be mortal sin..
looked like you owned the forum. i can't wait 'til you two post your predictions soon.

please keep going...especially silenceofthelambs...i just know you were the challenge that omningan wanted so far--this is a personal request.
 
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i wonder what is gonna be naruto reaction when he find out that yamato was kicknaped, but maybe he already know cus he was feeling that there were somthing wrong, and my guessing that he enterer the sage mode and felt the others chakra including tsuchikage and kabuto, ad if thats true he is gonna follow yamato, and maybe kabuto knew that, that why he did not try to capture the jinchuriki...

looool, great chapter.
 

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i can't believe after dropping the bomb like that, then have no chapter the next week to follow up. Is this what the torture Yamato's going to go through will feel like. Noooooooo
 

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Yo mystikk!!!

It has been a long time.

I think that we both like sasuke and Naruto. I guess that we both dislike kabuto in his present role and stature. Correct me if I am wrong.

And yes, Orochimaru had the gift – the power of the white snake. Badass was that gift. I could have liked oro too. But he used his genius to evil doings. That was the main reason he failed. He could have gone stronger than the other akatsuki members. He was that ambitious to pursue loneliness and dark force power.

I admire oro’s role from the start. he was a pupil of the third (my avatar), he became a legendary sannin for some reasons. I pity that he wasted his energies.
Evil makes one weak. oro became this weak character – I pity he had no other twist in the manga. But kabuto will have his chance. This is why kabuto is also weak – weak is his role. madara is the man.

And sasuke, he is like Naruto. We should enjoy the wait.

Sasuke is not at all dark. He will be enlightened by Naruto’s passion for Love and light.
Sasuke is on a mission for the trurh. This mission traverses no boundaries in this manga.
Naruto and sasuke’s characters rock.

I will enjoy no limits of chapters to witness these events.
_____
Yea that is why itachi was so strong because he was fighting for a greater cause.. a more positive future .. rather than trying to breed hatred.. he mite not have been stronger than madara, but Itachi Is still a genius like the 4th in my book anyday.

oro was weak compared to the good characters.. ex: 1st.. 2nd.. 3rd.. pervy sage.. and 4th.

sasuke will get very powerful.. but so will naruto.. they will fight at the end.. and naruto will win this time.. my boy sasuke beat his a** the first time.. but this time naruto will beat sasuke's a** for everyone who wants him to be beatin.
 

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I believe Kakashi will die at some poit (weep :'-( ) And Naruto will get his sharingan so he has something against madara's teleportation jutsu.. which is the right eye of obito
 

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I believe Kakashi will die at some poit (weep :'-( ) And Naruto will get his sharingan so he has something against madara's teleportation jutsu.. which is the right eye of obito
Aww man that would be so sad.. but it would be awsome at the same time.. I always said I couldn't see naruto with an ocular eye or eyes.. he's more of the body type fighter like jaraiya or the 4th.. best example is the 1st tho.

You saying kakashi will give naruto his sharingan makes me think Rico, If that does happen then kakashi will surely gain EMS.. because why would he give naruto a useless Mangekyo sharingan thats going to lose it sight.. unless naruto's new fox chakra can awakin the MS to EMS by lighting up the darkness. His new fox-power does have life force in it, so maybe the ninetails chakra is the key to unlocking the sharingans ultimate powers.

I hope kakashi doesn't die, he is a great character, an I love all of his fights.
 

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On hiatus for a week, probably just to give some more time to Kishi. I just hope that the next chapter is well worth it of 2 weeks.
Never before in my opinion Naruto Manga has been as good.
Where does it say this?

It says so on the last page of last weeks manga, and in the Spoiler thread.
I see... Well then I shall make my way to Japan & enjoy taking a dump on Kishi door step for taking a week longer once again.
 
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To be honest, the whole discussion around Madara's different eyes is pretty logical.

1. He has his EMS which is his Uchiha part (1st of the Sage of Six Path abilities)
2. He has Senju DNA as Senju part(izanagi proves this. 2nd of the Sage of Six Path "abilities")
3. He has the rinnegan, which only the sage and Nagato have. (3th of the Sage of Six Path "abilities"

imo he's just recreating himself in the Sage of Six Path so he can continue his Moon Eye Plan with more guarantee.

+ The Kyuubi was shocked that Naruto locked him in a Sage of Six Path kind of seal?
It all adds up...
 

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Since Madara can control both the Senju and Uchiha paths. Use of Izanagi is not meant to seal his eye. The rinnegan is a brilliant addition by Kishi though. And Kishi owes us a 40 page Naruto chapter. I hope he does not make Yamato go down like Kisame "Honourable Death".
 

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Since Madara can control both the Senju and Uchiha paths. Use of Izanagi is not meant to seal his eye. The rinnegan is a brilliant addition by Kishi though. And Kishi owes us a 40 page Naruto chapter. I hope he does not make Yamato go down like Kisame "Honourable Death".
Hey welcome to the forum. Yea I think once madara obtained EMS, izanagi losing it's sight was no longer a problem. The rinnegan was meant for madara, he will show us how it should really be used in battle. But I pity him for having to take the route he has for power.. only makes him look weak.

Yamato is at the mercy of madara rite now. I think kabuto will experiment on yamato.. and end up killing him to make more zetsu's. Naruto will find out and train even harder.
 

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SUPER POST!!
We all think that sasuke left the village because he wanted power and revenge but i think he left because he was envious of naruto. He taught at the rate that naruto was improving, he was geting left behind and had to something about it hence his little visit to orochi' for a little but insane power up
i think youre right about why sasuke left konoha. i think he was very upset by the fact that naruto was starting to win their rivalry. naruto was always happy, he always seemed to save the day, and he was becoming stronger and stronger. and then when kakashi stopped sasuke from beating narutos face in, sasuke just couldnt take it anymore. he felt too ostracized. i can see how he would feel that way. though that should have just inspired him to try harder, not run away and be evil...
hehee. I totally agree with you 120%. To hell with obito=madara, shishui=madara bulls**t
preach on brotha!! did you read my earlier post about madara being tobi?
i cited some really good examples, if youre interested check it out.
naruto is acted more mature before talked kushina....
you post is soooo small man xd
but honestly, not a bad point. however, he hasnt had much air time since then. that literally just happened. why he is counting animals instead of doing some serious training is beyond me. but he will man up soon, dont worry. i dont think he will take kindly to yamato being captured by kabuto. if he discovers that, he will get serious.
you're not looking for proper intellectual discussion, you're looking for everyone to agree with you.
I've read all of your posts in this thread, and the first few seemed decent, but as soon as people disagreed with you about tobi you started raging about how there's zero possibility that he's anyone other than madara. You can't use what one character says as a basis for absolute fact, even if they say it a lot.
If you're looking for everyone to pull a "what he said," pick a side and join a political forum.
Also, some people have made some comments about kabutomaru and how he might have some psychological shit going on where he thinks he's orochimaru but he's not. Have you ever thought tobi might just honestly believe he's madara when he's not? He does know a hell of a lot to be just some pushover, i mean, he's definitely powerful, but so was nagato and he was played like a violin since day one. Even his parents that he watched die weren't his real parents, let alone his eyes.
i appreciate your input. though i disagree.
i didnt say madara is tobi for fact. i said that all reasonable evidence points to that conclusion. but i am open to a surprise i guess. though like i said, in an earlier post, i will find that one very hard to swallow. its not just what madara has said. if you had actually read all my posts you would have seen the one with all the chapter/page/frame references where about 6-7 other MAJOR characters in the manga have referred to TOBI as MADARA. and i agree, tobi could be absolutely nuts, and only think he is madara, but that is unlikely. its more likely that he is faking tobi as a disguise and that the real madara is leaking out slowly. just imo. thats all i have to go on, my perspective of what ive seen and read. i didnt base fact on what one character said like you accused me of. im sorry if you got that impression.

and the entire story of nagato remains to be seen, if it ever will be.
i think there is much more to it. we got a version from nagato himself, but he was very young and he couldve been genjutsu'd into thinking that is what happened. and then we have madara/tobi claiming to have been responsible for nagato having the rinnengan. but we dont really know what that entails. it could a great many different things. its very interesting, nagato being uzumaki and madara/tobi having been responsible for him getting the rinnengan. i would love to hear more back story about that. for sure.
and also, i do agree about kabuto being kabuto and not orochimaru.
to be honest, the whole discussion around madara's different eyes is pretty logical.
1. He has his ems which is his uchiha part (1st of the sage of six path abilities)
2. He has senju dna as senju part(izanagi proves this. 2nd of the sage of six path "abilities")
3. He has the rinnegan, which only the sage and nagato have. (3th of the sage of six path "abilities"
imo he's just recreating himself in the sage of six path so he can continue his moon eye plan with more guarantee.
+ the kyuubi was shocked that naruto locked him in a sage of six path kind of seal?It all adds up...
you my friend, are on the right track. i agree with most of what you said!
welcome to the forums! very glad you joined! also I like your avatar. nice pick.
im not sure about the ems... its awfully weird that it(his sharingan) doesnt look like it should.... the pics they showed of him when he took his brothers eyes is totally different and i havent seen that in tobi/madara's eyes yet. i would think he has ems, but i wont be sure until we see some proof of it. you definitely have it like madara/tobi has explained it to us. i wonder if its all true. it seems true and i dont see a reason for him to lie. most villians love spilling the beans before the fat lady sings. they are always so confident that the heroes cant stop the villian. and they are dying to be able to brag about their "sure" victory. LoL. the way madara/tobi explained it to the kages was exactly like that to me.
i believe kakashi will die at some poit (weep :'-( ) and naruto will get his sharingan so he has something against madara's teleportation jutsu.. Which is the right eye of obito
i disagree. i think that since kakashi has already died once, that he will be exempt from dying for the rest of the manga. thats my prediction. i dont ever envision naruto with a sharingan. that would take away the only thing that really seperates sasuke and naruto. if naruto had sharingan too, then i think that would take away from their rivalry. though we've seen how sasuke feels about non-uchiha having sharingans. he flipped out on kakashi for it.
i'm pretty sure that it's not kabuto...
It's orochimaru because he took kabuto's body instead of sasuke's....
It would be really epic if it would be orochimaru ;d
i disagree. i think it is most definitely kabuto. ill tell you why. because if it was orochimaru, then he would make himself look like orochimaru. even when he had the other bodies, he always chose to look like himself. this is obviously the REAL kabuto, hes still wearing glasses and what not. and he has quite apparently attached some snake dna to himself cause he is startin' to look FREAKY. good for Halloween, thats for sure.
i think now naruto will know the truth and go in search of yamato... It gonna be interesting.
good call.
i agree with your prediction about naruto going in search of yamato.
if he cant go try to find him, he is going to FLIP OUT.
this next chapter might be a blockbuster of an issue.
yea raikage lost an arm lol.. But dont forget he almost lost his leg as well. Kabuto will try to kill sasuke, but it seem's like he's waiting for somthing. Maybe he has a plan to fight sasuke.
im not sure he wants to kill sasuke... i think he either wants him for the same reason orochimaru wanted him.. because he knows the life steal jutsu and wants to take his body, or... maybe something else that none of us could possibly imagine. but i def dont think its to kill him. he said he needs a "YOUNG,LIVING UCHIHA" so he def wants sasuke alive. just imo.
Naruto is alot of people's favorite lol i love him too.. He is the personification of light. The very reason why we are born as human beings. Also honestly i dont think sasuke would die for naruto either.. But i also know that he wouldn't sit there and watch him die. He did that already at the valley of the end, even though naruto didn't die.
this is one of the most sickening parts in the anime for me.
when sasuke did the pile driver on naruto's head and broke his neck i about pucked in my mouth. sasuke is an :eek:HOLE. imo.
whoaaah…great exchange…beautiful…beautiful
nice posts omningan…silenceofthelambs…cool.
Where were you guys when i was on line? Naah just kidding..
Your posts looked like my school project.
Very philosophical indeed…
i thrive with challenges…
but i like to survive reasoning with motivations…
guys, just a request…i truly believe that this is not only mine…could we just motivate???…let us invite others to join…than issue challenges that are a bit egoistic. And if we could use simple words for others to participate, mannn you two rockkkk.
Glad you speak your minds and not just redirect facts or quote great thoughts owned by great philosophers or linguists. Simple words coined with depth reap enjoyment in readers.
Swinging doors…not this...but those are…yebaaa
try these ones…(just hope we don’t sway away from the real forum topic)
1. Is naruto the truth that he isn’t yet?
2. Did sasuke really hate himself that he hated the world after his brother bred his hatred?
3. Why is kabuto thinking he is powerful when he knew from the start that the enemies were more powerful than him?
4. Can you win an impossible war?
5. Who is black zetsu, while white zetsu is unknown?
6. Tobi claims to be madara but he is not sure if madara was killed by the 1st hokage.
im glad youre enjoying it.
i always enjoy your posts too.
i like that you have a lot to say.
i invite others to participate. this conversation is in no way shape or form just between me and silence. anyone is welcome to join in.
1. i have no idea what you mean.
2.those who hate, usually hate themselves as well. he is smart, he knows his choices suck and that he is evil. im pretty sure he hates himself at least a little.
3. power isnt everything. sometimes trickiness can win a battle. dont underestimate kabuto, he is a great ninja.
4. i would say "nothing is impossible", but that would probably be wrong.
impossibility remains to be seen. i think they can win. naruto can probably make enough clones to handle zetsu if necessary.
5.zetsu is a BIG mystery and i cant wait to learn more about him.
6.tobi wasnt saying that he literally doesnt know what happened. he was being coy and sarcastic about it. its an evasion tactic. people keep calling him out on it, and he wont confirm or deny their accusations. he knows that they are right or is willing to let them believe whatever they want, regardless.
hes not like "im not madara you fools, stop calling me that!!"
Omningan…i would like to share something about love.
We might not agree with each others views..but we could be friends..at least with the exchange.
I can’t press you to accept my predicaments, but at least stay with the premises that i would state. Let us have a common ground (vague or specific whatever it may be).
You got great posts man. I like your style, very perceptive and a bit insensitive.Let us start with love.
Love has many kinds. I could not care less should you know them all.
Love above all else is life. Love is transcending, it radiates to everything it has meaning with. It overflows like water in the ocean. It is ever present like the air you breathe. It is the reason we have a world we live in. It is the fire that keeps burning in our hearts.Love is the light in every path we take. It is the guide to choices in crossroads.Love is blind (this most famous line). It means to me that love chooses everyone, everything and all thinkable ideas.
Love encompasses emotions. Emotions are aspects leading to the path that is love.Love embodies all feelings. It holds no boundaries to what anyone can say or do.Love is the greatest virtue. Religions, faith, fate and beliefs cling to love as the center.God is love. Minds are empty without love in the corner of it. Perceptions, inceptions or concepts remain blank without it.
Love is the main reason for living. Emptiness is the absence of love, so is hatred, so is darkness and weakness.Because love above all else is life, it gives us strength.
i agree that love is one of the most powerful things in existence.
great post. well said. very beautiful. love is what keeps me going, bro.
i would like it if we could be friends. :)
omningan...
Silenceofthelambs...
I admit i was not able to join because you two were great. Interruptions will be mortal sin..Looked like you owned the forum. I can't wait 'til you two post your predictions soon.Please keep going...especially silenceofthelambs...i just know you were the challenge that omningan wanted so far--this is a personal request.
you shouldnt sell yourself short. your post on love was quite good, and i always enjoy your opinion. you think about what you say, and even if i dont agree, i can usually see your point because you say it well.
and you are very right about silence. he is doing, what i asked humbly for.
i would love it if more people, including yourself join us in debate. it helps pass the time till the next manga episode comes out.
if i may ask, how is believing that nothing is certain "dancing around the issues too much?" if, as i've told you, life is viewed through a sort of "screen" (which is perception) by all of us, what is to say that the things we are seeing are the way everything actually is? You told me that a tree is there with or without you; that's actually not true, because the tree has no meaning without you there to call it such. The tree could be the universe in its entirety for all we care, it's just that at the moment humans decided a perennial woody plant must be called a tree, it became that very thing. If the tree was called a subtractive sculpture or bacillariophyta, for instance, who will object at it? Why does everyone assume a tree is the correct name for that plant we see pervasive throughout all places? Why does everyone assume the the names we've given things in this world are the correct ones? Why does everyone assume it's all set in stone? How can one open their mind and heart to the "truth" if perception prevents them from doing so, as you've stated? Does knowledge not derive from experience, as according to empiricism? The way i understand it, you tell me that perception might very well block us off from the ancient wisdom of all the ages, yet it is also the one thing that can bring it to us. Contradiction?
yea its a contradiction. like ying and yang. like love and hate. like good and evil. perception can be good or bad. just like moderation. that is the way of things. and they arent all set in stone. i dont think that at least.
i do believe that the world exists with or without us giving it meaning. i mean, i agree that we give it meaning that it wouldnt have otherwise, but it still functions on in its own world, regardless of us. and its not a tree. thats just a word that we have all agreed is what we call things that look like trees. same with everything that we have named. they are nothing more than words to describe our mutual truth. there is nothing to say that things are the way we think they are. it happens all the time. some people just dont see things right. to them, a discussion looks like an argument. to them a person in a nice car looks like a yuppie prick. its all perception telling them that it is one way. when really its usally something totally different. there is no guarantee that we will interpret things correctly with our perception. yet we have to try! we have to! its all we have!
What you've said here actually isn't true, that each society or civilization must agree on one general truth in order to progress. Do all the people living in the united states agree on one common thing? Sure, you might say they all have the ideal of liberty and freedom in mind (perhaps not), yet even then each has his own opinion as to what that actually is (where comes the agreement?). So, according to you, every civilization must have the capability to agree on one thing; well, if we take this into the context of your argument, we've seen it done before, yet why then, did all those civilizations collapse due to internal pressure? Where did the decline originate from? It means that even in the period of agreement, there was still strife and discord (as there always will be), further showing that it is impossible to get such a large body of people to completely unify on one common demoninator; it is simply the illusion of stability, and the illusion of peace. We might think that each of us believes in something that resonates true for all people, yet that is not so. You cannot measure each person's thoughts and hope to think that "yes, there is indeed something that every individual holds true in his soul." are we completely different, are we completely the same? Group truth can vary, being either a tragedy or a comedy in the end, but it depends on aforementioned truth. Not everyone will agree with it; we agree to disagree.
i wasnt trying to say that we all have to believe the exact same thing. if thats what i said, im sorry. like you said about that, its just not possible. we are all individuals, with our own different perceptions. what i was saying is that we have to have strong common grounds to stand on, so that we may associate ourselves with each other. examples would be living in the same place, having the same faith, thinking that freedom and liberty are values everyone should be entitled to, agreeing that its wrong to murder. these are base values that bring groups of people into unison. its not that they are all clones of one another, and that they all think the exact same way. its the same for konoha. "the will of fire" whats that mean to you?
and civilizations and societies collapse for a great many reasons. one of them being the loss of common truths. although there are many others.
economics, bad leadership, wars, plagues, etc.
we arent all different and we arent all the same, we are all similiar.
"is my blood not the same color as yours!?"
and yes sometimes, just to get along, we have to agree to disagree, but that is tenuous at best, and could fall apart at any moment.
its like an agreement on a handshake. it might last for awhile, but youd best not bet the farm on it. ya know?
And it is because in konoha's peacetime where each was not able to come together and resolute themselves to something seemingly appropriate, that ended up becoming the dramatic and terrifyigly efficient catalyst that forced itachi down the path he ended up taking. Like i've told you, sasuke was simply responding to what he learned (remember tortured-torturer?). To a certain extent, in dealing with the uchiha massacre, he cannot be blamed for becoming the hatred-driven person he was. That was just his reaction; would anyone have been able to control it? Yes, naruto was emotionally and physically wounded badly, and he did not actually kill the villagers around him, but he had strong desire to do so. It was only until iruka's encouragement and faith in naruto that he managed to put the compounding rancor aside, and give way to positive thinking and visualization. Do you think if sasuke were to receive such a gratuitous act of kindness, he might not have chosen the course he did? But as i've said, we can never know.
youre right about what sasuke and naruto went through. but i believe that they made choices. they werent forced into their roles. it was their choices that seperated them. naruto made good choices, he opened up to those that reached out to him. sasuke mad bad choices, he closed up and pulled away from those that tried to reach out to him.
i think that sasuke has had those acts happen to him before.
kakashi tried hard to reach out to sasuke before sasuke left with the sound ninja. naruto has tried repeatedly to reach sasuke. even sakura has tried.
the one person who probably wouldve mattered the most, itachi, didnt though. and who knows what might have happened, if he had. the important thing, is that he didnt... and now look where we are.
but honestly you seem sound like the lawyer that gets up in front of the court and goes "your honor and the jury, my client is innocent! he just could not help himself from picking up a hooker, stealing from a local business, and murdering his best friend! HE is the victim here. his girlfriend would not have intercourse with him! therefore he is innocent!"
i believe that no matter what happens to us, we are not allowed to use that as an excuse for our bad choices. they can be obvious additional reasons for the bad choices, but the choice was made as a choice, not as an instinct.
i mean in some cases, people are totally insane and do not make their own choices, because they are not in control of a fully functional brain that can make complex analysis and decision. however, sasuke and itachi can not use that excuse. they are both very intelligent, and very sane. they made a choice. and we must all be accountable for our choices. or else, who will?
"excess is bad" in your opinion. Some might consider it the greatest thing present within the world. If i end up jumping off that fateful cliff and ending my life, it will only have been a negative thing, a loss, to you. Excess is characterized by the person executing it - and we all do it - read too much, sleep too much, spend too much, enjoy time with friends too much, work too much, moderate too much; i'm sure every human being at one point in their lifetime, has done all these things. Yet has it truly been wholly detrimental to them? Those who work too much don't think they do so, yet others do; who's correct? Excess can be beneficial (sleeping fifteen hours, seven more than the recommended time, after getting no sleep for two days straight), and moderation is simply tenuousness at its finest; it has little consistency, for we step out of its bounds very often, but nothing happens to us, most times. You tell me that "hard work" will allow us to free ourselves from the chain gang; well, shouldn't one moderate as to the amount of work they do? Isn't "hard work," as its implication suggests, negative to a person's well-being?
hehe, i like your point about hard work being an extreme. i admit that hard work can be a good thing or a bad thing. moderation is a common rule of thumb. it works under most situations. its very true that every human has committed some form of excess, its actually very natural. but thats why moderation is so important. like i said, its a tool to help you control your extremes. its better to be on a steady equal wavelength than to be bouncing all over the place. think about your health, mate! :D its obviously just my opinion. i think overdoing things is usually bad. just from personal experience if nothing else. when i read too much i usually get a headache. when i eat too much i usually feel sick. when i sleep to much i usually feel horrible when i wake. when i play too much i usually feel like a slacker. when i work too much i feel like ive wasted all my time working, instead of living. thats why i believe that extremes are bad.
i would prefer moderation over excess every day of the week. ;) but hey, thats me. maybe some of you out there, love excess.
I mean, by "eternal," that the moment humans realize there will be nothing left to stand or speak for them after they die, is when life has no further meaning. If you come to the naturally unsatisfying conclusion that nothing will remain after your death which will allow people to remember the person you once were, well then, i'd say life has officially lost all hope of meaning something to the human being. Because that's what we're all striving to achieve; to live within people's memories for some time, before we fade away completely into the night. I'd say one of the most pyschologically shattering things to human beings is the idea of not being recognized or remembered. When no one thinks of us, when no one cares whether we are even dead or alive, doesn't that just wound the core of one's very existence? When we remain invisible around multitudes of people, does that not destroy our own self-worth? That's what i intended to state when i told you "life has no meaning the moment you lose the feeling of being eternal."
"dust in the wind"
i agree that its a horrible thing to have to come to terms with. its the biggest hurdle that we face as mortals. the knowledge that we will die, and that we will fade and fade until we are forgotten. some people cant take it, and spend their whole life trying desperately to make a mark and be remembered. others dont let it bother them, and sit happily in the backseat, not desiring any attention. to each their own i say. i believe that its the #1 reason that people believe in religion and what not. it usually comes with a promise of an afterlife. and that makes some people feel all warm and fuzzy. they no longer worry about the horrid fact that they will die and be forgotten. it no longer feels like a horrible loss, but of a promise yet to come.
i personally could care less. i love what i have and i wouldnt trade it for the world. yet, when its my time to go, i will walk happily away, satisfied that i had my time. if there is nothing after, that is fine. if there is more after, that is fine too. this life, this now, this me: is all i know, and for now, im content with that.
also, thank you for your compliment in the beginning of your post. I appreciate it. You also write thoughtful and meaningful posts, and i enjoy reading and responding to them.
hell yeah! right back at you! :hug:
lets melt these mofo's minds!!
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i think tht kabuto is goin to use yamato to experiment with and try to make multiples of him with the zetsus or he is goin to try and aquire those powers yamot has for himself just so he can fight madrea incase madra betrays him

or he is goin to use yomato to try and make a more complete and more powerfull and devestaingly strong first hokage
 
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