Remember Yamato has met Kabuto before, that was when Orochimaru explained of his previous experiment to Kabuto..... So Yamato definitely knows Kabuto's voice and would remember it even in his sleep....
Kabuto was not on the Jinchuriki's ........ he originally had plans of capturing Yamato and not the Jinchurikis..... because he knew Yamato was with Naruto and because of the conversation they had a long time ago when Orochimaru revealed that Yamato was a specimen of his experiment and connecting that with the armies of Madara he realized Madara will create a complete army with the DNA of Yamato....
the only thing that really matters, is, what did they do with it?
what harm has naruto caused anyone with his powers? none, actually.
he has done nothing but help everyone in need that he meets.
what harm has sasuke caused anyone with his powers? a ton, actually.
he has killed his brother(itachi), shamed his teacher (kakashi), killed a misled patriot (danzo), back stabbed his teacher (orochimaru), tried to capture and harm a really cool, innocent dude (killerbee), hurt sakura in more ways than i even care to get into at this point, and has managed to estrange the only REAL friend he has ever had(naruto).
so when we go saying who we like and whos awesome and whos not, lets think about these things before we decide...
as always, let me know what you think.
i dont write this stuff to talk to myself, ya know.
I side wit you on Sasuke being an outcast. He has really shamed his teacher. I also believed Sasuke never understood what Itachi had wanted to deliver to deliver to him... Remember Itachi told Naruto that what will he do if Sasuke turned the other way to attack the village. This stems from the fact that Sasuke has still not grown in mind... Naruto on the other hand understands the realities of life and is prepare to calm the storms of life in whoever approaches him
That almost convinced me but tell me - why there's no shadow on Konans face?
That little shadow you can see on her face in some pictures is made by her hair, other than that there's no shadow on her face or forehead like it's on Madaras.
On page 8 Madara's face is turned left a little bit so that should be why he has more shadow than Konan. The last panel on page 10 has no shadows on both Konan and Madara, maybe because it is not a close-up. Same goes for the 2nd panel on page 12. On the third panel of the same page we can see a small part of Konan's face and there is a shadow on it and Madara again has his head slightly turned left which is why there is supposed to be more shadow on Madara's face even though the light source seems to be a little more to his front that what I have first thought. And, after all, this is a manga, I don't really think it is supposed to be that much detailed as to where a shadow begins and ends exactly.
This is just my point of view, though
In my Opinion Madara is no one else but the Legendary ninja himself. His alias as tobi and the mask he used was only a cover, to be able to operate in the shadows. Sometimes the simplest answer is the right one. He calles himself Madara. lets assume he must be madara. He has a sharingan that is always turned on. Lets assume that its his brother's eye he took in order to get the EMS. Why doesnt he use the EMS. Lets assume the simplest answer. He did say he lost a part of himself on the fight against Hashirama. maybe he lost the EMS or One of his eyes.
The Mask, well the author does use the masks' and covering part of the face a lot. kakashi's face is half covered, and we have never truly seen his face. Shino's face is covered. Madara, and everyone from roots has masks. Madara has said over and over again he is madara, and when we do see part of his face he does look old. like when he was about to show Sasuke his face i one of the chapters before sasukes eye casted the black flames on madara.
Madara is part Hashirama and can regrow part of himself now thats for sure. And i think when Kabuto tells him, I hear you go by the name of madara now, has to do with the fact that he doesnt go with the alias Tobi anymore. lets assume the simplest answers to a question are corect
So if Madara calls himself Madara and looks kind of old, then lets assume at this point of the Manga he is no other then the Legendary Ninja himself.
I can't wait to see how Madara uses the Sharingan and Rinnegan in conjunction with each other. I also think he can't use izanagi anymore after his fight with Konan and her ocean of paper bombs. Where has Sasuke been???
well personally Tobi aka madara needs the rinnegan and the sharingan to control the 10 tailed beast if you recall how he said the one who originally sealed the 10 tailed beast had both eyes one to control yin and one to control yang to give nothingness form and life also i think it would be safe to assume kabuto can summon all of the 1st through fourth hokages if he has the same abilities as orichimaru because remember madara asks kabuto where d you get that at the end of one of the chapters and orochimaru used the revival of the dead justu against the hokage before tsunade and summoned almost all the previous hokages including narutos father but was stopped by kunais hitting the casket and interrupting the Justu
2. Yes, he tried to kill his friends many times. Did he ever succeed? I believe he didn’t. I like the way these evil intentions are thwarted for sasuke.
3. No, he did not betray anybody. No proof so far. We know the very reason why he left konoha. He sought for his great brother. He exacted revenge—did he really??? (I will try to post about this someday).
Sasuke left Kirin for dead...his comrade who has saved him timeless after the fight with Danzo.
i like the progression of Sasukes character. remember the story always tries to teach us something about life. i know i've learnt a lot from the drama. everyone all the bad guys and would be bad guys are victims of circustance. the series teaches us how to handle life and understand others who cant handle it so well.
Sasuke has always been a genius..Naruto isnt. hence the saying that is always repeated. a failure with hardwork and perseverance will defeat a genius anyday. even if naruto didnt possess any big skills, he's attitude to never give up will inspire others to help hima nd strengthen him..that is his ultimate ability..the ability to influence people to aspire to his aspirations and to be influenced by his good nature. thats how he wins all his battles..not exactly due to his awesome jutsu. no matter what, Sasuke will always be stronger than Naruto but...naruto has always will find a way to make Sasuke and those that follow him to see the error of their ways.
also, for all you people out there still confused about his mask... that is not a hole, it is a depiction of the sharingan on top of a rinnengan. the two eye slots and the extra spot up top are the sharingan and the lines that go in a circle around everything are the rinnengan...
well personally Tobi aka madara needs the rinnegan and the sharingan to control the 10 tailed beast if you recall how he said the one who originally sealed the 10 tailed beast had both eyes one to control yin and one to control yang to give nothingness form and life also i think it would be safe to assume kabuto can summon all of the 1st through fourth hokages if he has the same abilities as orichimaru because remember madara asks kabuto where d you get that at the end of one of the chapters and orochimaru used the revival of the dead justu against the hokage before tsunade and summoned almost all the previous hokages including narutos father but was stopped by kunais hitting the casket and interrupting the Justu
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the 3rd hokage didnt stop the coffin with kunai, he stopped it with chakra control. besides, i dont really understand how oro could've edo tensei'd the 4th hokage, the 4th should be immune to that summon, as his soul is in the death demon, but whatevs.
Sasuke left Kirin for dead...his comrade who has saved him timeless after the fight with Danzo.
i like the progression of Sasukes character. remember the story always tries to teach us something about life. i know i've learnt a lot from the drama. everyone all the bad guys and would be bad guys are victims of circustance. the series teaches us how to handle life and understand others who cant handle it so well.
Sasuke has always been a genius..Naruto isnt. hence the saying that is always repeated. a failure with hardwork and perseverance will defeat a genius anyday. even if naruto didnt possess any big skills, he's attitude to never give up will inspire others to help hima nd strengthen him..that is his ultimate ability..the ability to influence people to aspire to his aspirations and to be influenced by his good nature. thats how he wins all his battles..not exactly due to his awesome jutsu. no matter what, Sasuke will always be stronger than Naruto but...naruto has always will find a way to make Sasuke and those that follow him to see the error of their ways.
well said about naruto. you understand him well. and even though sasuke can beat naruto up and leave him for dead, naruto is the one with the real power. the power to change hearts.
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im not sure if he is ready to pass the power of the rinnengan onto sasuke.
my assumption is that madara will keep it in reserve, until he needs it.
but it is definitely a good question to think about.
plus on a totally unrelated side note, i think hinata got under played when fighting nagato. i think she is fantastic and they should give her more screen time.
I hear that. I am very excited to see what new eye powers Sasuke will have.
It stands to reason that he will have some kind of space/time jutsu. Isnt that all he is really missing? He has an eye projection(amaterasu), and a genjutsu(tsukiyomi), and a manifestation (susanoo). I think all he is lacking is some sort of space time jutsu like kakashi and madara have.
It will be interesting to see what it looks like too.
I can't wait to see how Madara uses the Sharingan and Rinnegan in conjunction with each other. I also think he can't use izanagi anymore after his fight with Konan and her ocean of paper bombs. Where has Sasuke been???
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also, what makes you think that madara wont be able to use izanagi?
i would think that he is keeping one eye as a sharingan so he can use izanagi in an emergency to save himself. and i think his new pair of one each, will definitely have some sort of new powers, right?
did you read my earlier post about the proof of madara/tobi being the same person? i cited some examples in the manga to prove he is madara, if you didnt read it, slide back and check it out.
Yea I would agree sasuke got pwned by bee.. But he didn't get pwned by raikage.
Sasuke decisions are very stupid at times but thats why he is my favorite because he follows his emotions.. he's not scared to show them.. and if you think your badd a** enough to kill him... he will fight. Sasuke is not the strongest duhh.. lol but he is stronger than all the current kage's. Anyone who say's different is just a non-believer lol.
yea, youre right about that. raikage did a good job fighting sasuke, but it looked like sasuke was winning. raikage lost an arm. that susanoo is so awesome. it scares me. really. he could probably beat almost anyone in the manga now. although kabuto with edo tensei might give him a run for his money, and madara with both eyes would put up a good fight, and of course naruto with his new chakra powers would be a great fight too. but other than that, i dont think anyone could stand against sasukes powers.
and my favorite character? thats hard to choose, i like so many of them...
i think i'll have to be predictable and say naruto. he is the star, and he is my favorite. he is everything i wish I could be. cept for the being a moron part...however I am already that, so whatever.
seriously though, naruto is the greatest. he would die for sasuke.
i dont think sasuke would be willing to do the same for naruto.
Now this is where it gets interesting. You said perception prevents us all from being able to see the truth; now then, what is truth, if nothing more than correct perception of the world and the surroundings of? To solve a math problem, does one need not visualize it, approach it, perceive it correctly, in order to end up with a certain answer? One might say indeed so, but the formulas or methods used to solve it have been given meaning by human hands, and have no meaning until we decide that yes, they must signify this, and not that. Are numbers or words anything at all until we decide they must be something, anything? Were expletives always expletives? Without associating one thing to another thing, that object or idea has no meaning, and it's as if it doesn't exist. But even if we do make the association, it's our collectively perceived association, and is not necessarily "true" to what the reality of it is. Therefore, can anything actually be real considering it is all based on a subjective view of the world, as you have stated in your own words?
It goes back to my question: are the things we see the only things we can perceive? There is almost certainly other life in the universe, yet can we picture how they look in comparison to us? No, and that's why they are not there as of yet. All we can do is speculate, and even if the day comes when we will meet someone out there (which probably will never happen), cognition will only present to us how they look in our mind's eye, not how they really are.
If moderation is restraint, then I must say that idea goes totally against human nature. Why should we have to restrain ourselves to do the things we want to? Is each not given a choice as to how he can live his life? How can anyone else decide what another should do? Besides, what you have told me about moderation only qualifies for the parts that are convenient to you. Is coming into direct contact with lava fine, so long as it is kept in small doses (even though the medical effects of it show people losing entire fingers just by touching it)? If "most things" are fine in reasonable amounts, then the argument fails to hold much water because it is not all-encompassing, but simply picking and choosing what one wants to see. It aims only at a selective or tenuous truth; the statement is too general and ambiguous to be applicable to every situation or personality. Is too much knowledge a bad thing?
It's like all sacred texts of religion; people don't follow it verbatim (and if they do, that's foolishness), rather only taking the valuable parts from it and using it to help enrichen life. While on the subject of religion, you say that belief can empower you, and is not based on feeling alone; the last I checked, that's what it is; an opinion or conviction with no solid basis in proof. And you're becoming much too broad at this point; someone might say that "God" is a falsity, and anyone who believes in him is hurting themselves. Whose perception of the situation is correct, since as I have said, perception is based on nothing more than an individual view of the world? What one considers a "falsity," another might consider a "truth." If I believe I can fly, it's my truth and another's illusion; well, in the end, which is it? Whose perception (opinion, conviction, outlook, belief) stands victorious in the end? Just because my endeavor ends in death doesn't mean I was wrong. We all can fly, and that's what some have trouble believing. It's the most hidden of all hidden things, and when we rid our minds of the limits that truly are that one great obstruction, we can achieve great things. "Each of us is a God. Each of us knows all. We need only open our minds to hear our own wisdom," Gautama Buddha once said. And although he said some other things I can disagree with, here I believe he's correct.
And what can you tell me to disprove my statement that everything is perceived? If you've never seen what a tree looks like (to you), how can you begin to perceive it and name it as a tangible part of our world? How can you call it a tree if you've never even heard the word thrown around before? Are the things we see the only things we can perceive? You give the tree meaning, just like I've been trying to say, and it's essentially nothing without you there to call it a "tree." Without you, it doesn't exist; only until you see it will your brain register it as a "tree," but that doesn't mean your brain is processing it as it is. How does your, my, everybody else's brain work? It's not possible for me to become a frog during my life because you say it isn't. I could insinuate that it is, that there are still things undiscovered in this world, and just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it will never happen. As ridiculous as my words sound, your argument doesn't really function when you break it down.
"We can't just fence ourselves in, yet we can't just jump off the cliff either...do you understand? It's moderation!" Your version of it, at least. My form of it could be that jumping off the cliff is the only true form of moderation, and anything is else is a frivolous extremity. So, who is right? It's perception again, isn't it? Taking this into the context of the Naruto manga, you say that Sasuke is a fool for having acted the way he did, yet the logical progression of tortured-torturer (which you have mentioned) seems to show that he is not, a fool, in the slightest. He was only responding to what he learned - can he be blamed? His reaction might have been different than Naruto's would have been, but what makes Naruto's any more right than Sasuke's? The rest you've told me is hearsay. We can never know. Had Itachi fallen on his sword, the entire Land of Fire might have disappeared as we know it. Perception meets us once again! Fact, or fiction? We can never know.
Our perception ensures us nothing. Don't think it is obligated to show us the truth and separate us from ignorance and stupidity. We're all caught up in it, it's our choice how to react to it, and deal with it. One can attempt to make introspective voyages into themselves, and try to sort out everything they hear, or not, and live an illusionistic existence. Perception is not supposed to help us; we are supposed to use it to help ourselves. It will not take us by the hand and guide us to the places we desire - that is up to us. Some can keep the formidable weapon of truth loaded and never fire its rewards, and others can ring a shot out into the dark fields of the republic that roll on under the night. However, even if we do use the gift of perception for ourselves, what guarantee is there we will find the "truth?" It's just a way for us to adapt the world to ourselves, so we may experience eternity; life has no meaning the moment you lose that feeling of being eternal.
i love your posts man.
youre one of the main reasons I decided to become a member and start posting. your intelligence is very high. thanks for the awesome debate.
I agree with a lot of what you said.
so much to respond to, ill try to make short summaries.
I think you're dancing around the issues almost too much. like you believe that nothing is for sure. its true that because of our perception we might not ever be able to see the truth, but the truth is there to be seen, regardless. all we have to do is open our hearts and minds to it, and normally it becomes apparent. it is when we close our "eyes" that we cant see the truth right in front of us.
to be able to function as a cohesive society/civilization we have to be able to agree on a common truth. we have to have some sort of middle ground to meet on. otherwise how can we function as a unit? we'll just end up slaughtering each other (like our history has shown over and over) because of some misunderstanding or disagreement. so even if personal truth is a joke and nonexistent, group truth is not a joke, and is very important to our survival as a race.
yes sasuke and itachi can be blamed. they are not just victims. they made choices. we all have a choice to make. some might say they made the right choice, but im not so sure i agree with that. i think the choices they have made are disgusting. (like shooting danzo through karin) (and murdering an entire village of innocents). naruto was scarred and hurt badly, however he didnt turn around and start killing friends and innocents. tahts the difference between sasuke and naruto. maybe the only difference. the choices they make.
youre right about perception. it can show us the truth, or it can blind us from it. it can make us think that lies are truth. it really all depends on how we interpret it, right? sometimes we are wrong, sometimes we are right. there really is no guarantee that we will see truth is there? but we still have to try to come to an agreement on what we believe that truth is. otherwise how can we exist without some sort of ground to stand on?
moderation isnt restraint from everything. its a restraint from excess, because excess is bad. if you believe you can fly, great, maybe that affirmation will lead you to something great. however if you believe too strongly, and you jump and die, that is bad. that is a loss. life is good. so a loss of life is bad. moderation protects us from over drinking into alcohol poisoning, and death. moderation protects us from over eating and obesity. moderation, if used correctly is a tool to help protect you from excess.
that's all. its not meant to shut you in and prevent you from being able to expound. im not sure this is the matrix... imo we cant think ourselves out of the problems of our existence. only through hard work and understanding can we eventually free ourselves from all of our bonds.
what do you mean by eternal? life has no meaning without eternity? i think each moment has meaning with or without eternity beside it. like a tree without a forest. that tree still exists and means something. it may not mean as much, and it may be only a portion of the whole, but as mortal humans that is all we really have, "the now". we must make due with it.
eternity is lost to us, for now.
thanks to everyone who reads my post.
i enjoy talking with all of you!
2. Yes, he tried to kill his friends many times. Did he ever succeed? I believe he didn’t. I like the way these evil intentions are thwarted for sasuke.
3. No, he did not betray anybody. No proof so far. We know the very reason why he left konoha. He sought for his great brother. He exacted revenge—did he really??? (I will try to post about this someday).
Sasuke left Kirin for dead...his comrade who has saved him timeless after the fight with Danzo.
i like the progression of Sasukes character. remember the story always tries to teach us something about life. i know i've learnt a lot from the drama. everyone all the bad guys and would be bad guys are victims of circustance. the series teaches us how to handle life and understand others who cant handle it so well.
Sasuke has always been a genius..Naruto isnt. hence the saying that is always repeated. a failure with hardwork and perseverance will defeat a genius anyday. even if naruto didnt possess any big skills, he's attitude to never give up will inspire others to help hima nd strengthen him..that is his ultimate ability..the ability to influence people to aspire to his aspirations and to be influenced by his good nature. thats how he wins all his battles..not exactly due to his awesome jutsu. no matter what, Sasuke will always be stronger than Naruto but...naruto has always will find a way to make Sasuke and those that follow him to see the error of their ways.
No, sasuke did not leave Karin dead…technically; it was Danzo who “killed” Karin. Danzo held Karin hostage. Karin became a collateral damage.
This is sasuke’s genius. He knew that konoha shinobis won’t leave Karin for dead. Kakashi and sakura attended to Karin even for the mere fact that Karin was an enemy. Sasuke knew this from the start. Kakashi might have other plans for Karin, but definitely he won’t kill Karin as well if not provoked.
See…you are correct. Sasuke is very intelligent. He won’t let madara know he is soft. Sasuke has other plans. He will tell us about life. He will show to us some teachings we will learn even though he is in the dark right now.
Sasuke is a genius. And so is Naruto. Let me discuss why we differ in opinions here.
Naruto’s genius is not shown in the storylines…yet. But some are already realizing it. As you said, “Naruto’s never say die” and “never give-up way of a ninja” is his ultimate ability. It inspires almost all. Isn’t this “HEAVY GENIUS?”
To “never give-up” is the zenith and pinnacle of “perseverance”. I hope you agree. It is there at the very top. Jiraiya and Naruto, perhaps Minato are the proponents. Therefore, they too are geniuses. Are you not convinced that Minato and Kuchina are top level geniuses? If you do, Naruto is a genius.
Naruto’s genius is still hidden, it is unrecognizable and it is as we say “ read in between the lines .”
No, Sasuke is not stronger than Naruto. Naruto will always be stronger if not as strong as Sasuke. We will break the equilibrium or balance in the manga if we view Sasuke stronger than Naruto. Just an honest opinion.
If I may ask you gaminpastor, do you adhere to the belief that “good always prevails over evil?”. If you do, then this is basic - Naruto’s good nature is always stronger than Sasuke’s darkening nature… Powers and abilities included.
i love your posts man.
youre one of the main reasons I decided to become a member and start posting. your intelligence is very high. thanks for the awesome debate.
I agree with a lot of what you said.
so much to respond to, ill try to make short summaries.
I think you're dancing around the issues almost too much. like you believe that nothing is for sure. its true that because of our perception we might not ever be able to see the truth, but the truth is there to be seen, regardless. all we have to do is open our hearts and minds to it, and normally it becomes apparent. it is when we close our "eyes" that we cant see the truth right in front of us.
If I may ask, how is believing that nothing is certain "dancing around the issues too much?" If, as I've told you, life is viewed through a sort of "screen" (which is perception) by all of us, what is to say that the things we are seeing are the way everything actually is? You told me that a tree is there with or without you; that's actually not true, because the tree has no meaning without you there to call it such. The tree could be the universe in its entirety for all we care, it's just that at the moment humans decided a perennial woody plant must be called a tree, it became that very thing. If the tree was called a subtractive sculpture or bacillariophyta, for instance, who will object at it? Why does everyone assume a tree is the correct name for that plant we see pervasive throughout all places? Why does everyone assume the the names we've given things in this world are the correct ones? Why does everyone assume it's all set in stone? How can one open their mind and heart to the "truth" if perception prevents them from doing so, as you've stated? Does knowledge not derive from experience, as according to empiricism? The way I understand it, you tell me that perception might very well block us off from the ancient wisdom of all the ages, yet it is also the one thing that can bring it to us. Contradiction?
to be able to function as a cohesive society/civilization we have to be able to agree on a common truth. we have to have some sort of middle ground to meet on. otherwise how can we function as a unit? we'll just end up slaughtering each other (like our history has shown over and over) because of some misunderstanding or disagreement. so even if personal truth is a joke and nonexistent, group truth is not a joke, and is very important to our survival as a race.
yes sasuke and itachi can be blamed. they are not just victims. they made choices. we all have a choice to make. some might say they made the right choice, but im not so sure i agree with that. i think the choices they have made are disgusting. (like shooting danzo through karin) (and murdering an entire village of innocents). naruto was scarred and hurt badly, however he didnt turn around and start killing friends and innocents. tahts the difference between sasuke and naruto. maybe the only difference. the choices they make.
What you've said here actually isn't true, that each society or civilization must agree on one general truth in order to progress. Do all the people living in the United States agree on one common thing? Sure, you might say they all have the ideal of liberty and freedom in mind (perhaps not), yet even then each has his own opinion as to what that actually is (where comes the agreement?). So, according to you, every civilization must have the capability to agree on one thing; well, if we take this into the context of your argument, we've seen it done before, yet why then, did all those civilizations collapse due to internal pressure? Where did the decline originate from? It means that even in the period of agreement, there was still strife and discord (as there always will be), further showing that it is impossible to get such a large body of people to completely unify on one common demoninator; it is simply the illusion of stability, and the illusion of peace. We might think that each of us believes in something that resonates true for all people, yet that is not so. You cannot measure each person's thoughts and hope to think that "yes, there is indeed something that every individual holds true in his soul." Are we completely different, are we completely the same? Group truth can vary, being either a tragedy or a comedy in the end, but it depends on aforementioned truth. Not everyone will agree with it; we agree to disagree.
And it is because in Konoha's peacetime where each was not able to come together and resolute themselves to something seemingly appropriate, that ended up becoming the dramatic and terrifyigly efficient catalyst that forced Itachi down the path he ended up taking. Like I've told you, Sasuke was simply responding to what he learned (remember tortured-torturer?). To a certain extent, in dealing with the Uchiha massacre, he cannot be blamed for becoming the hatred-driven person he was. That was just his reaction; would anyone have been able to control it? Yes, Naruto was emotionally and physically wounded badly, and he did not actually kill the villagers around him, but he had strong desire to do so. It was only until Iruka's encouragement and faith in Naruto that he managed to put the compounding rancor aside, and give way to positive thinking and visualization. Do you think if Sasuke were to receive such a gratuitous act of kindness, he might not have chosen the course he did? But as I've said, we can never know.
youre right about perception. it can show us the truth, or it can blind us from it. it can make us think that lies are truth. it really all depends on how we interpret it, right? sometimes we are wrong, sometimes we are right. there really is no guarantee that we will see truth is there? but we still have to try to come to an agreement on what we believe that truth is. otherwise how can we exist without some sort of ground to stand on?
moderation isnt restraint from everything. its a restraint from excess, because excess is bad. if you believe you can fly, great, maybe that affirmation will lead you to something great. however if you believe too strongly, and you jump and die, that is bad. that is a loss. life is good. so a loss of life is bad. moderation protects us from over drinking into alcohol poisoning, and death. moderation protects us from over eating and obesity. moderation, if used correctly is a tool to help protect you from excess.
that's all. its not meant to shut you in and prevent you from being able to expound. im not sure this is the matrix... imo we cant think ourselves out of the problems of our existence. only through hard work and understanding can we eventually free ourselves from all of our bonds.
"Excess is bad" in your opinion. Some might consider it the greatest thing present within the world. If I end up jumping off that fateful cliff and ending my life, it will only have been a negative thing, a loss, to you. Excess is characterized by the person executing it - and we all do it - read too much, sleep too much, spend too much, enjoy time with friends too much, work too much, moderate too much; I'm sure every human being at one point in their lifetime, has done all these things. Yet has it truly been wholly detrimental to them? Those who work too much don't think they do so, yet others do; who's correct? Excess can be beneficial (sleeping fifteen hours, seven more than the recommended time, after getting no sleep for two days straight), and moderation is simply tenuousness at its finest; it has little consistency, for we step out of its bounds very often, but nothing happens to us, most times. You tell me that "hard work" will allow us to free ourselves from the chain gang; well, shouldn't one moderate as to the amount of work they do? Isn't "hard work," as its implication suggests, negative to a person's well-being?
what do you mean by eternal? life has no meaning without eternity? i think each moment has meaning with or without eternity beside it. like a tree without a forest. that tree still exists and means something. it may not mean as much, and it may be only a portion of the whole, but as mortal humans that is all we really have, "the now". we must make due with it.
eternity is lost to us, for now.
thanks to everyone who reads my post.
i enjoy talking with all of you!
I mean, by "eternal," that the moment humans realize there will be nothing left to stand or speak for them after they die, is when life has no further meaning. If you come to the naturally unsatisfying conclusion that nothing will remain after your death which will allow people to remember the person you once were, well then, I'd say life has officially lost all hope of meaning something to the human being. Because that's what we're all striving to achieve; to live within people's memories for some time, before we fade away completely into the night. I'd say one of the most pyschologically shattering things to human beings is the idea of not being recognized or remembered. When no one thinks of us, when no one cares whether we are even dead or alive, doesn't that just wound the core of one's very existence? When we remain invisible around multitudes of people, does that not destroy our own self-worth? That's what I intended to state when I told you "life has no meaning the moment you lose the feeling of being eternal."
Also, thank you for your compliment in the beginning of your post. I appreciate it. You also write thoughtful and meaningful posts, and I enjoy reading and responding to them.
yea, youre right about that. raikage did a good job fighting sasuke, but it looked like sasuke was winning. raikage lost an arm. that susanoo is so awesome. it scares me. really. he could probably beat almost anyone in the manga now. although kabuto with edo tensei might give him a run for his money, and madara with both eyes would put up a good fight, and of course naruto with his new chakra powers would be a great fight too. but other than that, i dont think anyone could stand against sasukes powers.
and my favorite character? thats hard to choose, i like so many of them...
i think i'll have to be predictable and say naruto. he is the star, and he is my favorite. he is everything i wish I could be. cept for the being a moron part...however I am already that, so whatever.
seriously though, naruto is the greatest. he would die for sasuke.
i dont think sasuke would be willing to do the same for naruto.
Yea raikage lost an arm lol.. but dont forget he almost lost his leg as well. Kabuto will try to kill sasuke, but it seem's like he's waiting for somthing. Maybe he has a plan to fight sasuke.
Naruto is alot of people's favorite lol I love him too.. he is the personification of light. The very reason why we are born as human beings. Also honestly I dont think sasuke would die for naruto either.. but I also know that he wouldn't sit there and watch him die. he did that already at the valley of the end, even though naruto didn't die.
I want 9 tails vs madara, but seems like it will be 8 tails vs madara.
well i think that the leaf and the 8 tails men will try there best to keep naruto from wots going on and now that naruto has new powers he doesnt know how to control them there fore he needs to under go traing maybe from kakashi.
And madara.... just too kool
and kabuto=-_- **** head
well i think that the leaf and the 8 tails men will try there best to keep naruto from wots going on and now that naruto has new powers he doesnt know how to control them there fore he needs to under go traing maybe from kakashi.
Yea raikage lost an arm lol.. but dont forget he almost lost his leg as well. Kabuto will try to kill sasuke, but it seem's like he's waiting for somthing. Maybe he has a plan to fight sasuke.
Naruto is alot of people's favorite lol I love him too.. he is the personification of light. The very reason why we are born as human beings. Also honestly I dont think sasuke would die for naruto either.. but I also know that he wouldn't sit there and watch him die. he did that already at the valley of the end, even though naruto didn't die.
I want 9 tails vs madara, but seems like it will be 8 tails vs madara.
You're not looking for proper intellectual discussion, you're looking for everyone to agree with you.
I've read all of your posts in this thread, and the first few seemed decent, but as soon as people disagreed with you about Tobi you started raging about how there's ZERO possibility that he's anyone other than Madara. You can't use what one character says as a basis for absolute fact, even if they say it a lot.
If you're looking for everyone to pull a "what he said," pick a side and join a political forum.
Also, some people have made some comments about Kabutomaru and how he might have some psychological shit going on where he thinks he's Orochimaru but he's not. Have you ever thought Tobi might just honestly believe he's Madara when he's not? He does know a hell of a lot to be just some pushover, I mean, he's definitely powerful, but so was Nagato and he was played like a violin since day one. Even his parents that he watched die weren't his real parents, let alone his eyes.
hehee. i totally agree with you 120%. to hell with obito=madara, shishui=madara bulls**t
And it is because in Konoha's peacetime where each was not able to come together and resolute themselves to something seemingly appropriate, that ended up becoming the dramatic and terrifyigly efficient catalyst that forced Itachi down the path he ended up taking. Like I've told you, Sasuke was simply responding to what he learned (remember tortured-torturer?). To a certain extent, in dealing with the Uchiha massacre, he cannot be blamed for becoming the hatred-driven person he was. That was just his reaction; would anyone have been able to control it? Yes, Naruto was emotionally and physically wounded badly, and he did not actually kill the villagers around him, but he had strong desire to do so. It was only until Iruka's encouragement and faith in Naruto that he managed to put the compounding rancor aside, and give way to positive thinking and visualization. Do you think if Sasuke were to receive such a gratuitous act of kindness, he might not have chosen the course he did? But as I've said, we can never know.
dude what kindness do you want to be shown to sasuke. practcally almost everybody in the village respected, naruto inclusive even if he didn't want to admit it to sasuke. it was just that sasuke was so immersed in his hatred that he built a wall around his heart. naruto was almost the same but the one act of kindness that iruka showed, won him over. this clearly shows the difference between them.
it's a litlle bit disheartening when we try measure somebody according to the standard of another. hell, sasuke and naruto are never going to be equal in terms behaviour. sasuke likes to act all grown up matured yet he doesn't understand anything about being geown up. hell, if a 13year old kid tells you he has an ambition to kill someone, then you should know that that kid has some serious mental problems. and naruto also acts dumbly all the time but hey that's how he started out...lol... we all think that sasuke left the village because he wanted power and revenge but i think he left because he was envious of naruto. he taught at the rate that naruto was improving, he was geting left behind and had to something about it hence his little visit to orochi' for a little but insane power up
Well, I can't wait to see Madara in action again, but I think it will have to wait.
Probably next manga we'll see how things fare for Yamato at madara's base and maybe, just maybe, Naruto will figure out Yamato is missing.
dude what kindness do you want to be shown to sasuke. practcally almost everybody in the village respected, naruto inclusive even if he didn't want to admit it to sasuke. it was just that sasuke was so immersed in his hatred that he built a wall around his heart. naruto was almost the same but the one act of kindness that iruka showed, won him over. this clearly shows the difference between them.
I never said I wanted any kindness shown to him. I was merely stating that such traumatic events leave deep psychological and emotional scars, and as we can see they still haunt Sasuke to this day. If Naruto had been witness to a similar event, watching his family murdered on orders from Konoha's top brass, you never know how much that would have affected his overall personality and attitude. Is there a chance he would have turned out exactly like Sasuke? "One misstep...and I could have been thinking the same horrible things as you."
