love and kind words can make you weak.
i shouldnt have to explain that simple truth.
if you dont know that the door always swings both ways, then maybe you will in time.
love can make you weak and/or stronger
and hate can too. hate has made sasuke strong, susanoo is strength.
but in his heart he is weak. he is blinded by his hate. he cant see the harm he is doing.
love has made naruto strong, but he still has weaknesses, he will sacrifice his life for sasuke, if need be. he would give up his life for an undeserving, evil nutwad(sasuke)
he loves yamato and his friends so much, that he just believes them without wondering for himself why the hell the world just turned upside down. trust can be a weakness, even though its foundation is love.
dont think that love is this all powerful, unbeatable force. i would say that it is the most amazing thing that there is, and its the key to happiness and everything else, but it does not make us invulnerable, impermeable, and super strong at all times. sometimes the higher you go, the more unsteady you are.
sometimes the further you go, the more lost you become. sometimes caring too much is a bad thing. there is a rule called moderation. if you dont know about it, look it up. because it governs everything. nothing is exempt from the rule of moderation.
like i said, the door can always swing both ways, it just depends on the individual and the situation. good and bad? thats just words we use after the fact. they are just opinions of those left around to judge the outcome.
and anything is not possible.
naruto is not possibly sasuke....
kakashi is not possibly a bad ninja.
jiraiya is not possibly not dead.
etc etc
so dont go thinking that nothing is certain, because if anything is certain (and it is) then it is that though there is uncertainty in the world and in fantasy, we have to have somewhere to stand, if we want to take in the sights. (i.e. a solid belief structure from which we can understand and interpret our world.) fantasy or real.
and itachi did not show sasuke much love. as kids maybe he did ( and really not even then, he was constantly ignoring sasuke) (lord cant blame him, he had his own friggin problems, right?), but certainly he did not show sasuke any love during or after that horrible night.
he loved sasuke, yes, thats why he spared him, and why he freed him from orochimaru, but there is a difference between having love for someone, and giving love to that person.
he didnt hug sasuke and tell him everything was gonna be alright.
he didnt team up with him and teach him how to control his sharingan.
he kicked him in the gut, punched him the face, and he shot ameratsu at him...
and why??
he purposefully led sasuke into hating him.
if he loved sasuke sooooo much, than why would he force him to have so much hate in his life? hate for his own brother? thats just sick man. maybe he did the right thing in the end, but there are some serious issues there, that have nothing to do with love. what impression did sasuke have the whole time? (itachi hates me, I hate itachi)
whether itachi had love for sasuke or not, sasuke didnt see it that way until it was way too late. the hatred had already forced him into killing his own brother.
and not to mention opening him up to madara's coercion and leading him down the path of evil. death and dismay get no one, no where.
and as for kabuto, im not sure why you are hung up on what he had at the beginning.
he was a super smart medical ninja at the beginning.
who fooled everyone around into thinking he was a student, like them.
and he was orochimarus right hand man... why wont you give him some credit?
if he sucked at life, would orochimaru even have bothered letting him live and be so close to him? no, he woulda thrown kabuto in that dungeon with the rest of the trash.
he didnt because he knew, like you should know, that kabuto is awesome.
do you hate him that much, that you cant see what an amazing ninja that kabuto
a. has been
b. still is
c. will always be
??
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Create a login and converse with us. We could use some fresh input.
I'd like to hear what some of you think of our conversations, and what you think of this episode and whats to come.
The door always swings both ways because we've been conditioned to believe it swings both ways, when in reality there is no door at all. What some perceive as "weakness," others might deem "strength." If one loves extravagantly, are they strongly weak or weakly strong? Conversely, if one hates profusely, is their mistrust of humanity their greatest weakness (or strength) in that it allows for no love to diffuse inside their organisms? Is love not the hate of hate, and hate the hate of love? Or, could it be that love is the love of love, and hate is the hate of hate?
Just the same, is trust a weakness, or is doubt a weakness? Is the one who believes firmly weak, or the one who denies such? It's all about perception, when one gets to the base of it all. And that's why nothing is certain, and that's why nothing is real. Are the things we perceive the only things we can see? Is the screen you're looking through an accurate portrayal of the world, or is it all illusory like everybody else's? Do we not give meaning to all things because we desire them to stand for something rather than just themselves, which can be anything at all? You are correct, that we do have to stand somewhere and take in the sights, yet the sights are influenced by the way we view the world before us, and are not necessarily the things we are seeing. Is a tree you see on a street the actual tree, or simply your perception of it? "True reality lies beyond the senses," as said by Plato. We need somewhere to stand, yet that area at which we stand is created by us, is given meaning by us, by which we may project our own idealizations and outlooks on "life." And if it is not created by us, where does one stand?
There is a rule called moderation, according to you. Nothing is exempt from it; well, is moderation exempt from moderation? What is moderation? Is moderation, actually, not polarizing towards one side of the spectrum or another (moderating to one extreme or another)? Because it cannot be that one does two things both at the same time; "save while spending." Your personal inclinations will always carry you toward one side of the threshold or the other. That's why there exists nothing such as moderation. You can search and search, but you'll never find the middle ground, because the "middle ground" is layered with subtle appeals (personal inclinations) toward one part of a problem or argument or another. At that point, it ceases to be the middle ground because objectivity is eliminated (and perception, which fuels bias, cannot be removed), and once again we are on a different path entirely. Bringing back the example of "saving while spending," yes, one might actually be able to do this, but their emotions betray them and say "you know you like to spend more than save (or vice versa) and are just trying to convince yourself otherwise, doing it because you want to impress others, but most of all, impress yourself by seeing that you can actually manage this." Yet it is futile.
To me that becomes denial, no longer the middle ground, which in and of itself could be denial - I will take the middle ground because I cannot convince myself one way or another, and will sit on the fence indefinitely pondering about what might or could have been. However, don't confuse this with an investment, for example; an investment is knowingly carried out by a person, and is separate from denial, introducing the concept that the person does indeed want to give money to benefit later in the long run. Not lying to oneself.
"Anything is not possible" because you think it so. Any other person might stand up and say "anything is possible." Who is right? Can anyone truly be correct, considering perception (viewpoint on something) ignites bias, which immolates the circular arguments of the semantics of proof and faith, essentially getting nowhere when you consider it?
It could be that Itachi hated his love for Sasuke, because it was the one thing that prevented him from completing his mission, forcing him to live such a life of anguish (dying at his very brother's hand) instead of killing Sasuke then and there and later succumbing with no second thoughts of the blood of his brother on his self. He purposefully led Sasuke into loving his hate for him, making them polar opposites that were eventually joined by the factor of a powerful truth. But, as they say, opposites attract, and as we've seen between these two brothers, that has clearly been the case. And hate was not what opened Sasuke up to Madara's coercion; it was love - his love for his brother pushed him beyond limits he never knew existed. Yet the love, interchangeably enough, became the love for hate and the hate for love once more; hatefully loving Itachi's ordered slaughter of the clan (losing his family despite it being done for the greater good), while also lovingly hating the complacency others experience, that Sasuke could have had himself. He desires that better future, tries to do whatever is in his power to attain it, yet knows it will never come back. "Bring me back Itachi...bring me back my clan! Then I will stop!" He wants it, doesn't he? Yet want is sometimes not realized.
Well they can clone what ever ninja they come in contact with, so they may just copy the ninja they battle against on the battle field, or they will copy the dead akisisuki(ms) members, or the kages, but there ability to make perfact copys will be used in some way, but we have no idea how many Uchiha eyes he has, from that wall its enough to create major hell. remember the could only be stopped by the senju
Just thinking of all those clones with sharingans is creepy!! Then its even more scary if they all could use izanagi!!! Madara's whole plan was based from his fight with the first hokage.. what a mastermind.. to think 100+ years ahead is just sinister. Everyone thinks the good side has the advantage because of naruto.. but the evil side has more of the advantage, because naruto=sasuke.. stalemate!! after that all you have is kages.. an jonin level shinobi.. none will be able to take madara head on except kages or jinchurikis.. so things will get very interesting.
well said arjun..well said..that's the way to put up your flag.
i acknowledge your defense toward kabuto, same goes with omningan.
you could sense i really don't like kabuto right...and i make it to the point that i begin with the roots.
hell yeah he is a monster now. you and omningan are correct to say that the possibilities are wide open for kabuto. you said said kabuto started from "NOTHING", then he work his way up levels to be a monster now.
because kabuto started dark, i guess he will end up in darkness. his darkness is different than that of sasuke's darkness. sasuke's darkness is through hatred...i don't know if it is fitting to say that kabuto's dark image is because of selfishness--self interests--this is a very weak foundation. look at oro...watch hiruko...
sasuke's gift was not his fault, dark that is uchiha blood. as omningan said sasuke is a taker--deep.
sasuke has taken everything we could consider his--attention. he has not given anything yet--considerable big things that are...
itachi bred his hatred...itachi made sasuke hate him for a reason which still is one of the mysteries of this manga.
but itachi did love his brother--he didn't KILL him. the absolute end of hate is death.
so, itachi taught us LOVE...i just hope this is what warlock tigerwolf is trying to convey.
and regarding to as "who is who?" -- warlock is correct in saying anything is possible in this manga world.
who is itachi? i would want to see a Naruto Movie highlighting this great man. AND OMNINGAN, I THINK YOUR MIND IS DISTORTED WHEN YOU SAY THAT "LOVE" COULD MAKE YOU WEAK. please expound, if you are refering to a pycho-sexual thing... i guess you are not in this manga...LOVE is what itachi gave to us in this manga.. not only to sasuke.
and omningan, what can you do with nothing in the first place??? what did kabuto have in the first place??? no offense man..i would like to know.
but you are right, kabuto has bunch of jutsus not his own now...and he could do a lot of hell out of them.
im not making you off balanced by asking what kabuto had from the start...i just want what legacy could he offer at the end.
think about it then..and yes i am talking to you not to myself.
again your blind love for sasuke is intriguing, darkness as you mention.
Sasuke is the worst person in the whole series in that context. he cheated on his village, friends, teacher. Then orochimaru his master, kabuto his aid. team taka. tried to kill kakashi and sakura. He cares for noone but himself he is epitome of darkness, the series is full of instances of sasuke's betrayal and selfishness.
Atleast on that point Kabuto scores at least he is carrying on oro's wishes even after his death, at least he thinks for others and is loyal to someone. That counts. All of sauke's acts are irrational till now, for his own thirst of revenge and power, i think that's the worst kind of dark person.
No doubt he will be in the last battle and not kabuto but still that will be because of luck and powers given in charity.
Jabznaruto think about it rationally, is sasuke correct. even at personal level.
we think you have been thinking too much about sasuke so his -ve points seem invisible to you.
and you are right imo. yamato has seen kabuto two or three times and no one expected kabuto to join akatsuki.
i bet even kishi was like "wait wtf. kabuto has joined akatsuki?"
Man, you people are pretty stubborn bunch of fools...
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We see his face from the front, the mask is equaly broken on both sides BUT ONLY ONE SIDE IS BLACK. Srsly?? A shadow?? That's retarded even for a 4 years old kid. Stop being so naive, goddamnit. Yes, his face on that side could be decayed and yes his face is jacked up from wearing a mask, tho lets forget about the fact that only one side got "jacked up". Perhaps he went trought the same operation as Michael Jackson did. He's actually a black man, trying to be white.. /not
Truth is, we have this Zetsu who is the only true friend(servant) of Madara, they seem to know everything about each other and they trust each other. Zetsu is known for being a clone machine. And he's known for having a white side (normal?) and a black one.
Now try to figure why Tobi has some similar features.
Idk why that part of his face is black, maybe he got f*cked up in a battle but I do know it's now shadowed. And if it is, than I rest my case in this unlogical-childish fantasy manga, where shadows drop on ppl faces out of nowhere (not considering jutsus).
This panel should finally prove to you it is a shadow. His nose is elevated, just like yours and mine and everybody else's so it is blocking the light rays and his forehead is also elevated so very little, if any, light falls directly onto his face, effectively making such a dark shadow. Look at his forehead. The strap of his mask or whatever clearly shows the edge of where the shadow begins. It is on his left side, just around the middle of his eye. If you go to previous pages you can see the same thing there.
and omningan, what can you do with nothing in the first place??? what did kabuto have in the first place??? no offense man..i would like to know.
but you are right, kabuto has bunch of jutsus not his own now...and he could do a lot of hell out of them.
im not making you off balanced by asking what kabuto had from the start...i just want what legacy could he offer at the end.
think about it then..and yes i am talking to you not to myself.
This panel should finally prove to you it is a shadow. His nose is elevated, just like yours and mine and everybody else's so it is blocking the light rays and his forehead is also elevated so very little, if any, light falls directly onto his face, effectively making such a dark shadow. Look at his forehead. The strap of his mask or whatever clearly shows the edge of where the shadow begins. It is on his left side, just around the middle of his eye. If you go to previous pages you can see the same thing there.
That almost convinced me but tell me - why there's no shadow on Konans face?
That little shadow you can see on her face in some pictures is made by her hair, other than that there's no shadow on her face or forehead like it's on Madaras.
Now I really think that Kabuto isn't strong enough to beat Madara well he is strong but not strong enough. And Madara knows that Kabuto isn't fully on his side so why take the risk the first time they made pact at that time Madara didn't had the Rinnegan but now he has the Rinnegan as well as his Sharingan. He is now almost unbeatable although I know that both Naruto and Sasuke will most probably surpass him at some later point in the manga but now Madara is almost invincible so why not take Kabuto now? And he also showed Kabuto some of his secrets really bad call from Madara think about it he can take out Kabuto by surprise with also Zetsu's help if he thinks that Kabuto will a tough one but he seems to be not really concerned about Kabuto at all.
again your blind love for sasuke is intriguing, darkness as you mention.
Sasuke is the worst person in the whole series in that context. he cheated on his village, friends, teacher. Then orochimaru his master, kabuto his aid. team taka. tried to kill kakashi and sakura. He cares for noone but himself he is epitome of darkness, the series is full of instances of sasuke's betrayal and selfishness.
Atleast on that point Kabuto scores at least he is carrying on oro's wishes even after his death, at least he thinks for others and is loyal to someone. That counts. All of sauke's acts are irrational till now, for his own thirst of revenge and power, i think that's the worst kind of dark person.
No doubt he will be in the last battle and not kabuto but still that will be because of luck and powers given in charity.
Jabznaruto think about it rationally, is sasuke correct. even at personal level.
we think you have been thinking too much about sasuke so his -ve points seem invisible to you.
You made some very interesting points.. but dont bash my favorite character.. for living by the stupid shinobi rules placed in the world of ninja!! What happen to ninja have no feelings?? what happen to ninja being cold hearted killing machines?? this is what ninja were born to do!! only naruto an his friends in his village seem to want to change the world.. but you cant forget the whole shinobi system is based off hate so stop bashing my favorite character. because none of your stupid characters get any screen time, or Aren't strong as sasuke Even if he gets power boost!! That really makes everyone else who can't beat him look pathetic. All those shinobi you thought were strong .. is nothing compared to sasuke.
Yea he selfish but so what?? I would hate it if sasuke acted like naruto.. so be grateful for the villain.. so you can later on praise your hero(naruto) for crushing my hero(sasuke).
Sorry if im being an a** I just want people to stop always talking about sasuke.. an start talking about other shinobi who are givin powers.. and are still very weak.
Now I really think that Kabuto isn't strong enough to beat Madara well he is strong but not strong enough. And Madara knows that Kabuto isn't fully on his side so why take the risk the first time they made pact at that time Madara didn't had the Rinnegan but now he has the Rinnegan as well as his Sharingan. He is now almost unbeatable although I know that both Naruto and Sasuke will most probably surpass him at some later point in the manga but now Madara is almost invincible so why not take Kabuto now? And he also showed Kabuto some of his secrets really bad call from Madara think about it he can take out Kabuto by surprise with also Zetsu's help if he thinks that Kabuto will a tough one but he seems to be not really concerned about Kabuto at all.
>> I'm pretty sure Kabuto won't betray madara until the war is over.
>> Kabuto wants sasuke.
>> Madara thinks that kabuto can't kill him, and he's probably right (especially after becoming the jubi jinchuuriki).
>> Madara cannot die if he's really careful.
>> Kabuto can be really useful to madara (strengthening zetsu, for instance)
I don't understand why madara would try to kill kabuto when he's being helped by him. Especially since there's no guarantee that he'd die. And madara really doesn't want to be against that last body. It may be hashirama.
If I were madara, I'd take the chance and trust kabuto. There's a greater risk in trying to kill him. Kabuto may well be pawning madara, but he can't do much against it.
I found this chapter interesting however I don't like the fact that it's taking another break.
I mean didn't it just come off of break like 2 or 3 weeks ago!!!!!!!U_U
You made some very interesting points.. but dont bash my favorite character.. for living by the stupid shinobi rules placed in the world of ninja!! What happen to ninja have no feelings?? what happen to ninja being cold hearted killing machines?? this is what ninja were born to do!! only naruto an his friends in his village seem to want to change the world.. but you cant forget the whole shinobi system is based off hate so stop bashing my favorite character. because none of your stupid characters get any screen time, or Aren't strong as sasuke Even if he gets power boost!! That really makes everyone else who can't beat him look pathetic. All those shinobi you thought were strong .. is nothing compared to sasuke.
Yea he selfish but so what?? I would hate it if sasuke acted like naruto.. so be grateful for the villain.. so you can later on praise your hero(naruto) for crushing my hero(sasuke).
Sorry if im being an a** I just want people to stop always talking about sasuke.. an start talking about other shinobi who are givin powers.. and are still very weak.
lol. nice post man.
ninjas as tools.
many a ninja in this series has recognized that simple truth.
wouldnt you say that sasuke got owned by killbee?
sasuke is a good character, but killerbee fairly killed him.
sasuke was smart enough to bring peeps with him that could revive him, but he is definitely not the most powerful ninja. though, now with the susanoo he is virtually indestructible. sasuke has got a lot of skill, and is very smart.
and also i dont think naruto wants to crush sasuke. (but he will if he has to)
i think that if sasuke was targeted by kabuto and/or madara, that naruto would put his life on the line for sasuke. even now after everything that has happened. naruto loves sasuke like a brother, and naruto will NOT give up until he drags sasuke back across the line of hatred and darkness (dead or alive). truly, he wants sasuke to be happy. thats what we all want for the people we care about.
who does sasuke feel that way about? a bunch of dead people? who the hell is that gonna help? no one. thats who. all im saying is i dont like his choices. they make me feel very very bad. thats my opinion.
The door always swings both ways because we've been conditioned to believe it swings both ways, when in reality there is no door at all. What some perceive as "weakness," others might deem "strength." If one loves extravagantly, are they strongly weak or weakly strong? Conversely, if one hates profusely, is their mistrust of humanity their greatest weakness (or strength) in that it allows for no love to diffuse inside their organisms? Is love not the hate of hate, and hate the hate of love? Or, could it be that love is the love of love, and hate is the hate of hate?
Just the same, is trust a weakness, or is doubt a weakness? Is the one who believes firmly weak, or the one who denies such? It's all about perception, when one gets to the base of it all. And that's why nothing is certain, and that's why nothing is real. Are the things we perceive the only things we can see? Is the screen you're looking through an accurate portrayal of the world, or is it all illusory like everybody else's? Do we not give meaning to all things because we desire them to stand for something rather than just themselves, which can be anything at all? You are correct, that we do have to stand somewhere and take in the sights, yet the sights are influenced by the way we view the world before us, and are not necessarily the things we are seeing. Is a tree you see on a street the actual tree, or simply your perception of it? "True reality lies beyond the senses," as said by Plato. We need somewhere to stand, yet that area at which we stand is created by us, is given meaning by us, by which we may project our own idealizations and outlooks on "life." And if it is not created by us, where does one stand?
There is a rule called moderation, according to you. Nothing is exempt from it; well, is moderation exempt from moderation? What is moderation? Is moderation, actually, not polarizing towards one side of the spectrum or another (moderating to one extreme or another)? Because it cannot be that one does two things both at the same time; "save while spending." Your personal inclinations will always carry you toward one side of the threshold or the other. That's why there exists nothing such as moderation. You can search and search, but you'll never find the middle ground, because the "middle ground" is layered with subtle appeals (personal inclinations) toward one part of a problem or argument or another. At that point, it ceases to be the middle ground because objectivity is eliminated (and perception, which fuels bias, cannot be removed), and once again we are on a different path entirely. Bringing back the example of "saving while spending," yes, one might actually be able to do this, but their emotions betray them and say "you know you like to spend more than save (or vice versa) and are just trying to convince yourself otherwise, doing it because you want to impress others, but most of all, impress yourself by seeing that you can actually manage this." Yet it is futile.
To me that becomes denial, no longer the middle ground, which in and of itself could be denial - I will take the middle ground because I cannot convince myself one way or another, and will sit on the fence indefinitely pondering about what might or could have been. However, don't confuse this with an investment, for example; an investment is knowingly carried out by a person, and is separate from denial, introducing the concept that the person does indeed want to give money to benefit later in the long run. Not lying to oneself.
"Anything is not possible" because you think it so. Any other person might stand up and say "anything is possible." Who is right? Can anyone truly be correct, considering perception (viewpoint on something) ignites bias, which immolates the circular arguments of the semantics of proof and faith, essentially getting nowhere when you consider it?
It could be that Itachi hated his love for Sasuke, because it was the one thing that prevented him from completing his mission, forcing him to live such a life of anguish (dying at his very brother's hand) instead of killing Sasuke then and there and later succumbing with no second thoughts of the blood of his brother on his self. He purposefully led Sasuke into loving his hate for him, making them polar opposites that were eventually joined by the factor of a powerful truth. But, as they say, opposites attract, and as we've seen between these two brothers, that has clearly been the case. And hate was not what opened Sasuke up to Madara's coercion; it was love - his love for his brother pushed him beyond limits he never knew existed. Yet the love, interchangeably enough, became the love for hate and the hate for love once more; hatefully loving Itachi's ordered slaughter of the clan (losing his family despite it being done for the greater good), while also lovingly hating the complacency others experience, that Sasuke could have had himself. He desires that better future, tries to do whatever is in his power to attain it, yet knows it will never come back. "Bring me back Itachi...bring me back my clan! Then I will stop!" He wants it, doesn't he? Yet want is sometimes not realized.
the first time i read this, i couldnt respond.
so much of what you said is true, but a lot is wrong, imo.
i was very frustrated. still am.
you're right about perception.
but it rules us like a master does a slave
it stops us from being able to see the truth, because the truth is only available to us through our perception, which can distort and change.
doors exist but they can look like walls or windows, depending.
moderation is basically "restraint; avoidance of extremes or excesses; temperance" from dictionary.com
basically the rule of moderation is that ANYTHING you do in large quantities will become very very bad.
i could cite examples, but they are limitless.
suffice to say, love and hate are good examples.
in small doses, most things are fine.
but those things can become very bad if not moderated.
belief can empower you.
"i believe in god" ::strengthened by not feeling alone::
yet if you believe too strongly in a falsity you may hurt yourself.
"i believe i can fly" ::jumps off a building and breaks his neck::
there is a truth, though we may never see it, it exists.
its not ALL perception.
the tree is the tree, with or without me.
yet I give the tree meaning by perceiving it, and it becomes part of who I am.
this is how we discover or deny truth, we identify with it. we stand somewhere, anywhere, and we either see it, or not.
anything is not possible.
i have said "anything is possible" before, but i lied.
"nearly anything is possible" is the correct way to say it.
some things are just not possible, like i said in my post.
its not possible for you to become a frog during your human life.
it is just NOT possible. im sorry.
however many things are possible.
you could get a new job tomorrow.
you could develop cancer in the next year.
you could meet the mate of your dreams tonight.
those are things that CAN happen.
its important to be able to realize what is possible, and what is not.
its also important not to say that something isnt possible just because you are ignorant. a friend said recently "we'll never colonize another planet, deep space travel just isnt possible" i wanted to hit him... literally.
we cant just fence ourselves in, yet we cant just jump off the cliff either.. do you understand? its moderation man!
its that sasuke wants whats not possible, is what makes him a fool.
he was wounded, and so he himself became a person who wounds others.
he wants the past to be undone and he wants others to suffer along with him. these are the lowliest of traits. itachi is partially to blame for sasukes current predicament.
itachi couldve simply fallen on his sword when they asked him to kill uchiha clan. who knows what would have happened then? maybe better? maybe worse? whos to say? i can tell you this though... itachi made a choice, and all though it may have been the lesser of two evils, it was still evil and wrong.
he felt guilty for it, even though he thought he needed to do it.
he wanted sasuke to kill him. it was his redemption. his way of living on.
he used sasuke as a tool to free him from his guilt and he is using him as a tool to replace madara.
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look man, all im really trying to say.
is that things are way more cut and dry than,
"And that's why nothing is certain, and that's why nothing is real."
your words.
these words couldnt be more wrong.
our perception should insure that we know that we can never be certain.
and our perception should also insure that we know that many things are most definitely real.
*Akatsuchi keeps flying, accidentally slams right into Tsuchikage*
Tsuchikage: ARGH MY BACK! Akatsuchi, focus for once in your life!
*Both see Kurotsuchi with Aoba and Motoi, then go down to them*
Tsuchikage: Give me a status report on the Jinchuuriki. Are both of them still out of Akatsuki's hands?
Kurotsuchi: They are both secure, but--
Tsuchikage: Akatsuchi, flip the thing back right-side-up.
Akatsuchi: Alright Tsuchikage-sama! *creates an absolutely massive stone golem, then uses it to flip over the turtle*
Aoba and Motoi: THE JINCHUURIKI WERE STILL INSIDE!!
*shows one-off panel of Naruto, the animals, and KB getting thrown around again*
Tsuchikage: It doesn't matter, continue your status report.
Kurotsuchi: The Mokuton user from Konoha was abducted by Kabuto before he left.
Tsuchikage: He could not have significantly more vital information than Kisame has already given to Akatsuki.
Aoba: He's a member of the ANBU; he has more intelligence on Konoha and its shinobi than almost anyone! And he is the only living user of Mokuton! How can you say his capture is not a significant threat!?
Motoi: More importantly, he was the person among us whom Naruto trusted the most. Without him, it will be very difficult to keep him unaware of the truth!
Tsuchikage: If you believe this to be a serious setback, I will report it to the other Kage--
Aoba: First we have to ensure that Naruto has not caught on yet.
-Inside the Turtle-
Naruto: ANOTHER EARTHQUAKE!? HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE!?
KB: Chill out, little dude. No need to be in a bad mood.
Naruto: THIS IS SERIOUSLY INTERFERING WITH MY MISSION!
*others enter the turtle*
Naruto: Oh hey they're back. What did you all find out there?
Aoba: Oh, nothing much. The earthquakes were just caused by unusual seismic activity beneath the island.
Naruto: (in usual ADD fashion) Well that seismic activity has been making this mission way too difficult...*looks around* Where's captain Yamato?
Motoi: Uh...he decided to keep watch outside for the remainder of the day. Can't have any more earthquakes sneak up on us, can we?
Naruto: Sure...alright. Can I go talk to him about the mission for a sec--
Aoba: NO NO! He told us that he can't afford to be distracted in his watch!
Naruto: Oh...alright. Hey, who're the old geezer and the two ninja from Iwagakure?
Tsuchikage: CALL ME OLD WILL YOU!? I AM THE THIRD TSUCHIKAGE, YOU INSOLENT BRAT! I AM FEARED THROUGHOUT THE FIVE GREAT--*notices Aoba and Motoi giving him the "please stop talking" signal behind Naruto*
Naruto: Tsuchikage? Why'd you come here?
Motoi: Uh...to help us with our rampant earthquake problem!
Naruto: Ok then. Now if you'll excuse me, THERE IS RESEARCH TO BE DONE!!!
Akatsuchi: (he's dense...)
Aoba: I don't exactly know how, but we managed to keep him in the dark.
Tsuchikage: So he was the Kyuubi jinchuuriki? (his resemblance to that bastard Namikaze is astounding...)
Tsuchikage: We'll go inform the other Kage of what happened here, you all just ensure that neither Jinchuuriki leaves this island under any circumstances, understand?
Aoba and Motoi: Understood, Tsuchikage-sama!
*Onoki, Kurotsuchi, and Akatsuchi leave*
-goes to Naruto-
Naruto: Why is it so hard to keep track of all these animals? I can't even tell just how many there are, and that last earthquake didn't help at all!
(he remembers the chakra-sensing abilities of Sage Mode)
Naruto: AHA! I'll use sage mode to sense all of their chakras, so that way I don't even have to try to count them all out!
*enters Sage Mode*
Naruto: (Let's see, 15 turtles, 1 armadillo, 20 bears...wait...I don't sense Captain Yamato. He's...gone!)
NARUTO FINALLY ****ING FIGURES OUT THAT HE'S BEEN DUPED! NEXT WEEK: Give Me the Truth!
and it has a continuation chapter too
Chapter 516: Give Me the Truth!
-in Akatsuki's lair-
Yamato: What do you plan on getting from me? You know damn well that I am a trained captain of the ANBU.
Kabuto: Your altered DNA...Orochimaru-sama intended to use it in order to control the power of the Bijuu. I have a different goal in mind.
Black Zetsu: Alright you arrogant snake, explain your plan! Don't think that you can continue acting as you please while you work alongside Akatsuki!
Kabuto: Fine, since this one (referring to Yamato) will not live to tell of my plans, and you are so important to them, I'll share my secret: I know how Madara created you. And I intend to not only replicate, but improve on his methods.
Yamato: What the **** are you talking about!?
Kabuto: To put it simply enough for you to understand, I am going to use the DNA from Senju Hashirama that you have in order to boost the power of the Zetsu tenfold. Hashirama's DNA created them, and so more of his DNA will improve them!
Yamato: NO! I will not allow this, even if it means--
*Kabuto's "tailsnake" bites him*
Kabuto: That bite contains a quick-release paralytic agent. Not even your specialized self-termination techniques will be usable.
*Kabuto "walks?" over to the army of Zetsu, bringing Yamato with him*
Kabuto: Now then...*takes out a syringe* let us begin...
-inside the turtle-
Naruto: (Where is Yamato!? What's going on!?)
*Naruto runs toward the exit of the turtle's inner chamber or whatever*
Naruto: Aoba-san, is Captain Yamato still on watch outside?
Aoba: Of course. You don't see him in here, do you? I'm sure he'd try to help you in your mission, but a careful vigil is always an important step for mission security.
Naruto: Can you at least check?
Aoba: Uh...suuuure. *goes outside, comes back in* Yep he's still out there!
Naruto: (he's lying...) Alright Aoba-san. I need to go outside to get a better analysis on some of the plant life. Don't worry, I won't bother Captain Yamato or anything!
Aoba: (He'll get suspicious if I try to hard to keep him in here...) Ok, Naruto. Just be sure to check back in with us as soon as possible.
Naruto: Right! *runs outside and sees the damage that Manda mkII did* (something's definitely wrong here...)
*he re-enters Sage Mode*
Naruto: (Damn it, he is gone! Something's not right at all here...) *he continues walking around, trips, faceplants*
Naruto: Ow what the--(this is a footprint!?) *he's fallen into one of Manda II's footprints*
Naruto: (There wasn't anything nearly this large among the animals I sensed on the island...something was definitely here and caused this destruction...)
*he follows the path of destruction left by Manda II until he gets to the Island's tail*
Naruto: (What could have crushed a forest like this? Is this what got Captain Yamato--huh!?) *he notices that the island is moving and has the tail*
Naruto: This isn't an island at all! (I need answers, and I'm not going to get anything honest from Aoba-san and Motoi...guess I better ask whatever this island really is...)
-cuts to Naruto yelling at the top of his lungs at the turtle's tail, not realizing that it's the tail rather than the head-
Naruto: HEY! WHAT HAPPENED HERE!? I NEED TO KNOW!!
*KB appears right behind him*
KB: What the **** are you doing?
Naruto: I need to ask this...thing some questions!
KB: More of that S-Rank mission crap? Shouldn't asking a turtle for help be a snap?
Naruto: So it's a turtle? Why won't it answer me?
KB: ...kid, sometimes you just plain fail, because right now you're yellin at a giant turtle's ****in TAIL.
Naruto: :/
*he walks around to the front*
Naruto: HEY! Mr. TURTLE! CAN YOU HELP ME!?
Turtle: BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH
KB: He says he's happy to assist ya
Naruto: WHAT HAPPENED HERE!? WHY WAS THE PLACE INSIDE YOUR SHELL BEING ALL SHAKEN UP!?
Turtle: BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGRAAAAAGH
KB: He says a gigantic snake came out of nowhere and bit his ass, and then he got flipped right over by a humongous blast!
Naruto: (Giant Snake...that sounds like something Akatsuki would be behind...) Thanks for the help now bye! *runs back to the turtle's shell*
KB: (don't know what the kid's so worked up about...)
-inside the shell-
Naruto: Aoba-san! What happened out there? Where's Captain Yamato!?
Motoi: We told you, he's just out on patrol! Monitoring for earthquakes and--
Naruto: NO! *enters RSM* I know you're lying right now, and I'll be able to tell if you lie any more! Now tell me the ****ing truth!
Aoba: What are you talking about, Naruto!? We wouldn't lie to you about--
Naruto: Don't lie. Tell me what happened here! What did Akatsuki do! I WANT THE TRUTH!
Aoba: (shit, he's stumbled onto the truth...) *sighs* Naruto, the island was attacked by Akatsuki. It appears that Yakushi Kabuto has joined their ranks. We were able to fend him off, but he captured Yamato.
NARUTO LEARNS THE TRUTH! HOW WILL HE HANDLE IT!? Chapter 517: **** it I don't know.
I really wish it could have explained more about the Uzumaki clan before Nagato died. Was there a secret technique that the Uzumaki clan possessed? For all we know Nagato and Naruto couls have been related. My theory is simple listen carfeully. Naruto, Nagato, Minato.....! omgoshness they all end in TO! i think something fishy is going on here?
the first time i read this, i couldnt respond.
so much of what you said is true, but a lot is wrong, imo.
i was very frustrated. still am.
you're right about perception.
but it rules us like a master does a slave
it stops us from being able to see the truth, because the truth is only available to us through our perception, which can distort and change.
doors exist but they can look like walls or windows, depending.
moderation is basically "restraint; avoidance of extremes or excesses; temperance" from dictionary.com
basically the rule of moderation is that ANYTHING you do in large quantities will become very very bad.
i could cite examples, but they are limitless.
suffice to say, love and hate are good examples.
in small doses, most things are fine.
but those things can become very bad if not moderated.
belief can empower you.
"i believe in god" ::strengthened by not feeling alone::
yet if you believe too strongly in a falsity you may hurt yourself.
"i believe i can fly" ::jumps off a building and breaks his neck::
there is a truth, though we may never see it, it exists.
its not ALL perception.
the tree is the tree, with or without me.
yet I give the tree meaning by perceiving it, and it becomes part of who I am.
this is how we discover or deny truth, we identify with it. we stand somewhere, anywhere, and we either see it, or not.
anything is not possible.
i have said "anything is possible" before, but i lied.
"nearly anything is possible" is the correct way to say it.
some things are just not possible, like i said in my post.
its not possible for you to become a frog during your human life.
it is just NOT possible. im sorry.
however many things are possible.
you could get a new job tomorrow.
you could develop cancer in the next year.
you could meet the mate of your dreams tonight.
those are things that CAN happen.
its important to be able to realize what is possible, and what is not.
its also important not to say that something isnt possible just because you are ignorant. a friend said recently "we'll never colonize another planet, deep space travel just isnt possible" i wanted to hit him... literally.
we cant just fence ourselves in, yet we cant just jump off the cliff either.. do you understand? its moderation man!
its that sasuke wants whats not possible, is what makes him a fool.
he was wounded, and so he himself became a person who wounds others.
he wants the past to be undone and he wants others to suffer along with him. these are the lowliest of traits. itachi is partially to blame for sasukes current predicament.
itachi couldve simply fallen on his sword when they asked him to kill uchiha clan. who knows what would have happened then? maybe better? maybe worse? whos to say? i can tell you this though... itachi made a choice, and all though it may have been the lesser of two evils, it was still evil and wrong.
he felt guilty for it, even though he thought he needed to do it.
he wanted sasuke to kill him. it was his redemption. his way of living on.
he used sasuke as a tool to free him from his guilt and he is using him as a tool to replace madara.
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look man, all im really trying to say.
is that things are way more cut and dry than,
"And that's why nothing is certain, and that's why nothing is real."
your words.
these words couldnt be more wrong.
our perception should insure that we know that we can never be certain.
and our perception should also insure that we know that many things are most definitely real.
time to eat dinner.
tell me what ya think. peeps.[/QUOTE]
Now this is where it gets interesting. You said perception prevents us all from being able to see the truth; now then, what is truth, if nothing more than correct perception of the world and the surroundings of? To solve a math problem, does one need not visualize it, approach it, perceive it correctly, in order to end up with a certain answer? One might say indeed so, but the formulas or methods used to solve it have been given meaning by human hands, and have no meaning until we decide that yes, they must signify this, and not that. Are numbers or words anything at all until we decide they must be something, anything? Were expletives always expletives? Without associating one thing to another thing, that object or idea has no meaning, and it's as if it doesn't exist. But even if we do make the association, it's our collectively perceived association, and is not necessarily "true" to what the reality of it is. Therefore, can anything actually be real considering it is all based on a subjective view of the world, as you have stated in your own words?
It goes back to my question: are the things we see the only things we can perceive? There is almost certainly other life in the universe, yet can we picture how they look in comparison to us? No, and that's why they are not there as of yet. All we can do is speculate, and even if the day comes when we will meet someone out there (which probably will never happen), cognition will only present to us how they look in our mind's eye, not how they really are.
If moderation is restraint, then I must say that idea goes totally against human nature. Why should we have to restrain ourselves to do the things we want to? Is each not given a choice as to how he can live his life? How can anyone else decide what another should do? Besides, what you have told me about moderation only qualifies for the parts that are convenient to you. Is coming into direct contact with lava fine, so long as it is kept in small doses (even though the medical effects of it show people losing entire fingers just by touching it)? If "most things" are fine in reasonable amounts, then the argument fails to hold much water because it is not all-encompassing, but simply picking and choosing what one wants to see. It aims only at a selective or tenuous truth; the statement is too general and ambiguous to be applicable to every situation or personality. Is too much knowledge a bad thing?
It's like all sacred texts of religion; people don't follow it verbatim (and if they do, that's foolishness), rather only taking the valuable parts from it and using it to help enrichen life. While on the subject of religion, you say that belief can empower you, and is not based on feeling alone; the last I checked, that's what it is; an opinion or conviction with no solid basis in proof. And you're becoming much too broad at this point; someone might say that "God" is a falsity, and anyone who believes in him is hurting themselves. Whose perception of the situation is correct, since as I have said, perception is based on nothing more than an individual view of the world? What one considers a "falsity," another might consider a "truth." If I believe I can fly, it's my truth and another's illusion; well, in the end, which is it? Whose perception (opinion, conviction, outlook, belief) stands victorious in the end? Just because my endeavor ends in death doesn't mean I was wrong. We all can fly, and that's what some have trouble believing. It's the most hidden of all hidden things, and when we rid our minds of the limits that truly are that one great obstruction, we can achieve great things. "Each of us is a God. Each of us knows all. We need only open our minds to hear our own wisdom," Gautama Buddha once said. And although he said some other things I can disagree with, here I believe he's correct.
And what can you tell me to disprove my statement that everything is perceived? If you've never seen what a tree looks like (to you), how can you begin to perceive it and name it as a tangible part of our world? How can you call it a tree if you've never even heard the word thrown around before? Are the things we see the only things we can perceive? You give the tree meaning, just like I've been trying to say, and it's essentially nothing without you there to call it a "tree." Without you, it doesn't exist; only until you see it will your brain register it as a "tree," but that doesn't mean your brain is processing it as it is. How does your, my, everybody else's brain work? It's not possible for me to become a frog during my life because you say it isn't. I could insinuate that it is, that there are still things undiscovered in this world, and just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it will never happen. As ridiculous as my words sound, your argument doesn't really function when you break it down.
"We can't just fence ourselves in, yet we can't just jump off the cliff either...do you understand? It's moderation!" Your version of it, at least. My form of it could be that jumping off the cliff is the only true form of moderation, and anything is else is a frivolous extremity. So, who is right? It's perception again, isn't it? Taking this into the context of the Naruto manga, you say that Sasuke is a fool for having acted the way he did, yet the logical progression of tortured-torturer (which you have mentioned) seems to show that he is not, a fool, in the slightest. He was only responding to what he learned - can he be blamed? His reaction might have been different than Naruto's would have been, but what makes Naruto's any more right than Sasuke's? The rest you've told me is hearsay. We can never know. Had Itachi fallen on his sword, the entire Land of Fire might have disappeared as we know it. Perception meets us once again! Fact, or fiction? We can never know.
Our perception ensures us nothing. Don't think it is obligated to show us the truth and separate us from ignorance and stupidity. We're all caught up in it, it's our choice how to react to it, and deal with it. One can attempt to make introspective voyages into themselves, and try to sort out everything they hear, or not, and live an illusionistic existence. Perception is not supposed to help us; we are supposed to use it to help ourselves. It will not take us by the hand and guide us to the places we desire - that is up to us. Some can keep the formidable weapon of truth loaded and never fire its rewards, and others can ring a shot out into the dark fields of the republic that roll on under the night. However, even if we do use the gift of perception for ourselves, what guarantee is there we will find the "truth?" It's just a way for us to adapt the world to ourselves, so we may experience eternity; life has no meaning the moment you lose that feeling of being eternal.
again your blind love for sasuke is intriguing, darkness as you mention.
Sasuke is the worst person in the whole series in that context. he cheated on his village, friends, teacher. Then orochimaru his master, kabuto his aid. team taka. tried to kill kakashi and sakura. He cares for noone but himself he is epitome of darkness, the series is full of instances of sasuke's betrayal and selfishness.
Atleast on that point Kabuto scores at least he is carrying on oro's wishes even after his death, at least he thinks for others and is loyal to someone. That counts. All of sauke's acts are irrational till now, for his own thirst of revenge and power, i think that's the worst kind of dark person.
No doubt he will be in the last battle and not kabuto but still that will be because of luck and powers given in charity.
Jabznaruto think about it rationally, is sasuke correct. even at personal level.
we think you have been thinking too much about sasuke so his -ve points seem invisible to you.
Hi there again arjun3394!
I will try to make this short and precise.
This is what I meant: I love sasuke as a character. His role is equal to if not second to Naruto. I love him as Naruto’s antagonist or counterpart in the end. I love him to be Naruto’s ultimate enemy.
I hate kabuto, I hate his charater and would be role or roles. Is this clear enough?
To be rational, that is to have correct reasons for this love of sasuke’s character – think of these things as my answer to your current post:
1. Yes, sasuke cheated. In particular, he cheated orochimaru after teaching him to be strong. But, we know very well that a shinobi from konoha could do so. It is oro’s karma to die in sasuke’s hand – as sasuke knew from the start that he is wanted by oro because of his eye powers. Is not sasuke very intelligent to be aware of this? An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth—sasuke was definitely the stronger between the two. It was survival of the fittest indeed.
2. Yes, he tried to kill his friends many times. Did he ever succeed? I believe he didn’t. I like the way these evil intentions are thwarted for sasuke.
3. No, he did not betray anybody. No proof so far. We know the very reason why he left konoha. He sought for his great brother. He exacted revenge—did he really??? (I will try to post about this someday).
4. Yes, he was selfish. But this is for a reason…and reasonable enough to know that currently he is on a quest…a quest that at first was revenge-driven…and now, sasuke is seeking for the truth. The truth that was laid to his path by his brother who bred “hate”, but as we know itachi ironically “loves” his little brother (brotherly love - I will elaborate this next time).
5. Is sasuke the epitome of darkness???
-sauke’s darkness is due to hatred ---this can be cured by “LOVE”(note this –Love and hate are my 1st and 2nd paths during the discussion of the SO6P…I would love to have posts re these again given the chance).
-madara’s darkness is only second. After itachi, madara is currently breeding hate to blind sasuke of the truth – the truth that we long for in this manga as one of the anticipated mysteries we have to read provided that kishi permits.
6. sasuke as a boy was more powerful than kabuto as a teenager. Sasuke at his current stature will dig the grave of kabutomaru.
No arjun, it is not a blind love. I call it admiration. I admire sasuke-kun's powers now.
Now, I hate kabuto for these reasons (as you mentioned):
1. Did you say “kabuto is carrying out oro’s wishes??? I pity oro…he is dead …and chagrin as we put it, his life was ended by two uchiha siblings – siblings who oro viciously-ambitiously wanted to kill and gain control over because of the powerful eye powers. I pity oro…and I pity kabuto more…because he “carries a fool’s wishes”. Probability of success --- nil. Adding insult to injury, kabuto might die in the hands of an uchiha as well—sasuke’s if not madara’s. Is this the character that you idolize – kabuto idolizing oro—and oro dead??? Man, you are one of a kind.
2. Kabuto is a missing nin. This is all info I know from the start kabuto was introduced.
3. Kabuto knew medical ninjutsu, is this already at par with tsunade’s? I don’t think so. He has no katsuyo to show.
4. Kabuto was sasori’s spy. Then “he betrayed sasori”. Kabuto helped oro to kill a dead sasori.
Speaking of rationality…
5. Kabuto clang to orochimaru for oro’s power and genius. Remember the white snake? It was oro’s, and never will be kabuto’s.
6. Kabuto’s edo tensei, could be the most advanced, but as the storylines go along…I think it will be surpassed again since it is the third time feature. Besides, kabuto summons evil persons. At least, oro got to summon two good old souls—way to go oro, may you rest in peace.
7. Kabuto’s experimentations are devilish. His advancements are meant for destruction. This is very self-centered.
8. Kabuto’s regeneration is not at par with Naruto, sasuke, madara or kisame.
9. Kabuto’s intelligence is below shikamaru’s.
10. Kabuto’s darkness is the epitome (word of the pred eh) of selfishness. And the cure for this is “Death”. I sure have a niche ready for him though.
So, kabuto have a little of everything and a ton of nothing considerably powerful enough to be reckoned with. Yeah, as omningan said, evil stare…if only looks could kill hehe isn’t this a bond film?
So, kabuto carries dead oro’s wishes??? What a drag…
But hell yeah, I am afraid of monsters. Kabuto is one, right?
Have you seen my invisible reasons now my friend arjun3394?
Thanks danivass for the update on what kabuto had from the start…now, kabuto has something…
And omningan, I have to give credit to whom it is due, unfortunately..the credit is for madara as the villain…not kabuto's. I will converse with you later dude…got to exit.
lol. nice post man.
ninjas as tools.
many a ninja in this series has recognized that simple truth.
wouldnt you say that sasuke got owned by killbee?
sasuke is a good character, but killerbee fairly killed him.
sasuke was smart enough to bring peeps with him that could revive him, but he is definitely not the most powerful ninja. though, now with the susanoo he is virtually indestructible. sasuke has got a lot of skill, and is very smart.
and also i dont think naruto wants to crush sasuke. (but he will if he has to)
i think that if sasuke was targeted by kabuto and/or madara, that naruto would put his life on the line for sasuke. even now after everything that has happened. naruto loves sasuke like a brother, and naruto will NOT give up until he drags sasuke back across the line of hatred and darkness (dead or alive). truly, he wants sasuke to be happy. thats what we all want for the people we care about.
who does sasuke feel that way about? a bunch of dead people? who the hell is that gonna help? no one. thats who. all im saying is i dont like his choices. they make me feel very very bad. thats my opinion.
Yea I would agree sasuke got pwned by bee.. But he didn't get pwned by raikage.
Sasuke decisions are very stupid at times but thats why he is my favorite because he follows his emotions.. he's not scared to show them.. and if you think your badd a** enough to kill him... he will fight. Sasuke is not the strongest duhh.. lol but he is stronger than all the current kage's. Anyone who say's different is just a non-believer lol.
Hi there again arjun3394!
I will try to make this short and precise.
This is what I meant: I love sasuke as a character. His role is equal to if not second to Naruto. I love him as Naruto’s antagonist or counterpart in the end. I love him to be Naruto’s ultimate enemy.
I hate kabuto, I hate his charater and would be role or roles. Is this clear enough?
To be rational, that is to have correct reasons for this love of sasuke’s character – think of these things as my answer to your current post:
1. Yes, sasuke cheated. In particular, he cheated orochimaru after teaching him to be strong. But, we know very well that a shinobi from konoha could do so. It is oro’s karma to die in sasuke’s hand – as sasuke knew from the start that he is wanted by oro because of his eye powers. Is not sasuke very intelligent to be aware of this? An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth—sasuke was definitely the stronger between the two. It was survival of the fittest indeed.
2. Yes, he tried to kill his friends many times. Did he ever succeed? I believe he didn’t. I like the way these evil intentions are thwarted for sasuke.
3. No, he did not betray anybody. No proof so far. We know the very reason why he left konoha. He sought for his great brother. He exacted revenge—did he really??? (I will try to post about this someday).
4. Yes, he was selfish. But this is for a reason…and reasonable enough to know that currently he is on a quest…a quest that at first was revenge-driven…and now, sasuke is seeking for the truth. The truth that was laid to his path by his brother who bred “hate”, but as we know itachi ironically “loves” his little brother (brotherly love - I will elaborate this next time).
5. Is sasuke the epitome of darkness???
-sauke’s darkness is due to hatred ---this can be cured by “LOVE”(note this –Love and hate are my 1st and 2nd paths during the discussion of the SO6P…I would love to have posts re these again given the chance).
-madara’s darkness is only second. After itachi, madara is currently breeding hate to blind sasuke of the truth – the truth that we long for in this manga as one of the anticipated mysteries we have to read provided that kishi permits.
6. sasuke as a boy was more powerful than kabuto as a teenager. Sasuke at his current stature will dig the grave of kabutomaru.
No arjun, it is not a blind love. I call it admiration. I admire sasuke-kun's powers now.
Now, I hate kabuto for these reasons (as you mentioned):
1. Did you say “kabuto is carrying out oro’s wishes??? I pity oro…he is dead …and chagrin as we put it, his life was ended by two uchiha siblings – siblings who oro viciously-ambitiously wanted to kill and gain control over because of the powerful eye powers. I pity oro…and I pity kabuto more…because he “carries a fool’s wishes”. Probability of success --- nil. Adding insult to injury, kabuto might die in the hands of an uchiha as well—sasuke’s if not madara’s. Is this the character that you idolize – kabuto idolizing oro—and oro dead??? Man, you are one of a kind.
2. Kabuto is a missing nin. This is all info I know from the start kabuto was introduced.
3. Kabuto knew medical ninjutsu, is this already at par with tsunade’s? I don’t think so. He has no katsuyo to show.
4. Kabuto was sasori’s spy. Then “he betrayed sasori”. Kabuto helped oro to kill a dead sasori.
Speaking of rationality…
5. Kabuto clang to orochimaru for oro’s power and genius. Remember the white snake? It was oro’s, and never will be kabuto’s.
6. Kabuto’s edo tensei, could be the most advanced, but as the storylines go along…I think it will be surpassed again since it is the third time feature. Besides, kabuto summons evil persons. At least, oro got to summon two good old souls—way to go oro, may you rest in peace.
7. Kabuto’s experimentations are devilish. His advancements are meant for destruction. This is very self-centered.
8. Kabuto’s regeneration is not at par with Naruto, sasuke, madara or kisame.
9. Kabuto’s intelligence is below shikamaru’s.
10. Kabuto’s darkness is the epitome (word of the pred eh) of selfishness. And the cure for this is “Death”. I sure have a niche ready for him though.
So, kabuto have a little of everything and a ton of nothing considerably powerful enough to be reckoned with. Yeah, as omningan said, evil stare…if only looks could kill hehe isn’t this a bond film?
So, kabuto carries dead oro’s wishes??? What a drag…
But hell yeah, I am afraid of monsters. Kabuto is one, right?
Have you seen my invisible reasons now my friend arjun3394?
Thanks danivass for the update on what kabuto had from the start…now, kabuto has something…
And omningan, I have to give credit to whom it is due, unfortunately..the credit is for madara as the villain…not kabuto's. I will converse with you later dude…got to exit.
Dude I couldn't of said any of it better!! I used to like kabuto at the academy.. but not asmuch as sasuke or naruto.. you're rite .. sasuke was stronger than kabuto at that time.. but so was naruto!!
Kabuto following in oro path is jus all he knows.. but i wouldnt of went as far as changing into a snake. I have nothing against oro he is badass an will foreva be a baddass shinobi.. he wasn't as strong as pein, itachi, jairaya, naruto, or madara. But he was a bad ass who new a hell of alot of ninjutsu's an he managed to kill alot of shinobi. In the end he still a snake an that is why he is so weak compared to ninja like the 8tails.
