[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 512 Discussion/ 513 Predictions

[Floydical]

amazing chapter i must say but here's a couple notes to point out.
1) a couple weeks ago we saw madara take on a new form, new look, new set of unknown justsu, and the same for naruto. now it is no surprise we will see naruto's new depth of skill ( maybe in sage mood.. one could wish ) but all the same it is soon to come. now madara has avoided having to show his enemy his skills till now. will madara continue to hide his skills or continue to gather abilities before revealing his massive power.
2)now this point of business comes more from a place of thinking about what the author is writing that being said... kabuto can not die in this up coming fight. no matter what happens to the other side he will live. justification?? kabuto is sitting on the last big mystery of madara's. now some have considered this to be the true madara proving tobi to be a fake. or maybe madara will be who he says he is and rather its a beloved character proving madara has has a fake shinobi posing as a hidden leaf ninja or something. but no matter how you slice it kabuto can't spill the beans yet, and has to stay around to rat out madara? thought????
3)final thought of the day. kabuto having tracked madara down left a trail of bodies which were sloppy and looking to be on purpose for that matter. we can assume by the path of dead ninja leading their way kabuto isn't looking to team up with the leaf village,but leading them to madara also shows an intent to stop madara as well. which prompts my last question. if kabuto does win the fight and takes bee or naruto (and even if he doesn't would or) will kabuto help madara or continue to get in his way??

Some people have alluded to it before, but it seems quite clear that Kabuto is playing both sides on purpose. Both Madara and the Leaf Village are his enemies so eventually he is going to go after both. For now he is using Madara to get closer to Sasuke. Madara thinks he is keeping Kabuto on a short leash and has nothing to worry about. Clearly, Kabuto will eventually try to eliminate Madara completely. Just as obvious, it seems Madara is well aware of Kabuto's future betrayal but has enough confidence in his own abilities to let Kabuto do his bidding for now.

It seems we won't see a clash between the two until the last coffin is revealed. Once that is out of the way and Kabuto no longer has leverage over Madara, we will see them fight it out. As many have implied thus far, most think that Kabuto will defeat Madara and become the final villain.

With respect to the bodies he left for the leaf, he is clearly trying to help the alliance as much as he can to put Madara at a disadvantage, which connects back to him playing both sides.

 

[naturo9]

Only white Zetsu's.... that's kinda racist?

or maybe, they have separate special techniques, i.e. white zetsu is for day attack, and black zetsu is for night attack.

white zetsu=absorbs/release chakra and copy their appearance, replace body parts (madara)

black zetsu= dont know yet

 

[mjtuvok]

And why on earth are you talking about real ninjas in a manga forum????? If you don't like the manga so don't read don't complain about the manga every freaking time. And there is a difference between manga and real things, so obviously there are going to be a lot of difference between manga and real life things. Really comparing manga with real life things and calling others narutotard, really you got some hell of a problem bro.

Agreed, this guy is just running his mouth because he has nothing intelligent to say...got other social issues so he's yelling at all of us who enjoy this manga and can talk about it in a decent forum and since he cant relate he is just yelling and screaming and cursing etc...reminds of a "brat child having a tantrum to get attention cause he is lonely or has no one to play with"

so like you said he has a hell of a problem!

 

[mjtuvok]

Not necessarily... Remember the Nine Tailed Fox power can heal at an extreme rate, so much that it can take a matter of seconds (Remember when Naruto & Sasuke fought and Sasuke used chidori & hit Naruto, The Fox healed Naruto straight away). If Naruto can fully master this power aswell, I believe he could survive the extraction because if the Nine Tailed Fox is extracted which I believe he will be & the Juubi revived then I also believe because Naruto sealed off the Fox's Chakra else where, that Naruto will still have that.

To back that up incase you think the Juubi can not be revived because it needs the Nine Tailed Fox chakra too, Well The Nine Tailed Fox still had alot of power even after Naruto took his Chakra.

HOLD THE FORT GUYS.... No one has touched on another possible outcome of Madara & Kabuto trying to take the 8 tails and 9 tails....specifically this: these are the only two who are under their host(s) total control. And in naruto's case he does not have cooperation from the kyubbi but he does have his chakra at his complete disposal but not the kyubbi's WILL. Also the Kyubbi was sealed with a special SOSP RIKKOUDI SENNIN-UZUMAKI CLAN SPECIAL cage & seal. ( not the official name of the seal I know)

So isnt it possible that both Madara & Kabuto could fail simply because of the seal Naruto used may be something NEITHER OF THEM can actually break!!!

And if that is the case then madara's complete failure is just a matter of time, but may also be what Minato(4th) had in mind for Naruto from the beginning. Also when Naruto sealed him (go back and look at it) he seemed to indicate or imply that he was not really finished with the kyuubi, almost as if to say I'll be back for you. Like he wasnt going to treat him bad or leave him there forever.

So in my opinion, I think both Kabuto & madara will fail to capture the 9 tails and extract him from naruto because of the seal. I also think eventually the Nine tails will actually help naruto because he hates Madara so much.

ok feedback people what do you all think of this...

 

[UzumakiClash]

This is INSANITY! 100,000 Zetsu's! And man, Kabuto is strong now. If he wants, I bet he can summon the whole Akatsuki with his forbidden jutsu without even tiring a bit.

For me, currently, the strongest characters are:

1. Madara
2. Kabuto
3. Sasuke/Naruto

 

[Ikari Shinji Kun]

or maybe, they have separate special techniques, i.e. white zetsu is for day attack, and black zetsu is for night attack.

white zetsu=absorbs/release chakra and copy their appearance, replace body parts (madara)

black zetsu= dont know yet

Black Zetsu = just there cause he's awesome and badass

 

[Inception]

I think Black Zetsu has known Tobi and about his plan much longer than his White half.

I made a thread about this;

Zetsu first appears as a superior to Tobi/ Madara as seen below;

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Unfortunately, I don't know which half is saying what but I'm assuming that the black half is saying that they should let him in while the white half is commenting on how it's not easy.

When Pain is finished fighting Jiraiya, Zetsu appears again and both seem to differentiate in thought.

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I reckon Zetsu (both sides) knows that Tobi is Madara as Pain says, "Right after Madara ordered me to capture the Nine-Tails". The white half wants to go watch the Konoha fight while the black half already knows about Itachi vs. Sasuke fight and wants to go there instead. Unless there was some sort of mistake, it seems to me like the black half knows much more about Madara's plan than the white half. During Itachi fight, the black half seems to be well aware of the legendary items that Itachi possessed as well as the Sharingan techniques used by Itachi.

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Black half seems to know Itachi was going to die. He knows that Itachi wasn't fighting at his best and he even denies the fact that the reason Itachi was coughing up blood was because of over using his Sharingan.

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After Itachi's fight, Zetsu reports back to Madara and the white half seems to know about Madara's plan now or so it seems.

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Madara and Zetsu talk but seems like the black half is doing all the talking. Zetsu has been working with Madara for some time, "It's been so long".

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It seems he was also aware of how Naruto defeated Pain;

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Again, the black half is having a chat with Madara and he seems to know about Gedo Mazo, etc.

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Maybe the White half was created by Tobi with the use of Hashirama's DNA. It just seems confusing when reading through the manga and noticing that one Zetsu doesn't know about the plan and the other does, one side of the Zetsu seems to be very smart and the other the exact opposite.

 

[kisamexRocks]

or maybe, they have separate special techniques, i.e. white zetsu is for day attack, and black zetsu is for night attack.

white zetsu=absorbs/release chakra and copy their appearance, replace body parts (madara)

black zetsu= dont know yet

Now that's pretty racist.

Next thing you know Black Zetsu is invisible at night time because he's black huh? Geez man!

Anyway I think that the Black half of Zetsu might be pure evil or some emotional type of thing or maybe even chakra and the white half is an actual being and is the reason he can be replicated or cloned.

 

[Floydical]

I think Black Zetsu has known Tobi and about his plan much longer than his White half.

I made a thread about this;

Zetsu first appears as a superior to Tobi/ Madara as seen below;

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Unfortunately, I don't know which half is saying what but I'm assuming that the black half is saying that they should let him in while the white half is commenting on how it's not easy.

When Pain is finished fighting Jiraiya, Zetsu appears again and both seem to differentiate in thought.

You must be registered for see links

I reckon Zetsu (both sides) knows that Tobi is Madara as Pain says, "Right after Madara ordered me to capture the Nine-Tails". The white half wants to go watch the Konoha fight while the black half already knows about Itachi vs. Sasuke fight and wants to go there instead. Unless there was some sort of mistake, it seems to me like the black half knows much more about Madara's plan than the white half. During Itachi fight, the black half seems to be well aware of the legendary items that Itachi possessed as well as the Sharingan techniques used by Itachi.

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Black half seems to know Itachi was going to die. He knows that Itachi wasn't fighting at his best and he even denies the fact that the reason Itachi was coughing up blood was because of over using his Sharingan.

You must be registered for see links

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After Itachi's fight, Zetsu reports back to Madara and the white half seems to know about Madara's plan now or so it seems.

You must be registered for see links

Madara and Zetsu talk but seems like the black half is doing all the talking. Zetsu has been working with Madara for some time, "It's been so long".

You must be registered for see links

It seems he was also aware of how Naruto defeated Pain;

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Again, the black half is having a chat with Madara and he seems to know about Gedo Mazo, etc.

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Maybe the White half was created by Tobi with the use of Hashirama's DNA. It just seems confusing when reading through the manga and noticing that one Zetsu doesn't know about the plan and the other does, one side of the Zetsu seems to be very smart and the other the exact opposite.

Good collection for reference. The first link is the most unorthodox of the group. When I first read this panel a while back on another post, I thought Zetsu was just acting like that to cover his association with Madara to the audience/ any akatsuki members who were also present. But clearly, only Zetsu and Tobi were at that location at the time to collect the ring so there was no reason for him to fake it. I think you are right, white zetsu did not know about Madara/Tobi's plan at that point and that was the reason he was so quick to scold Tobi. But black zetsu was very calm and tried to quiet his other half down without giving anything away about Madara.

It seems indeed black zetsu is much more informed, meaning he is likely a part of Madara as many have proposed. Basically, it is likely when black zetsu was created (lets say he was created by Madara in his own image) he was formed with all of Madara's current knowledge. And now being part of a living being, ie the first's dna, he can function as a person and acquire knew knowledge. That would explain why he knows so much and basically we can assume only Madara would know those things beside Zetsu. Obviously its a mystery of how he acquired his abilities but maybe they're a simple mutation of the first's abilities in a different being.

Seems conceivable.

 

[batimpulse]

Any1 notice That all the Zetsus are naked?

 

[Byakugan power]

Okey so it looks like we have some major story development haha yeah.
Kabuto is definately up to something, maybe oro had some other super ambition that was never mentioned and Kabumaru is trying to finish what oro started.
I think Madara and Zetsu are pretty much the same guy haha, what I mean is that Madara creared white part of zetsu from first hokage cells and black is Madara's cells because while madara was in da shadows somebody needed to do dirty work you know and that also could be how zetsu was able to record fights for madara. And Tobi himself seems to me like half Madara and half Hashirama I think he kinda said it himself.
So yeah thats my theory

 

[konohashinobi]

Okey so it looks like we have some major story development haha yeah.
Kabuto is definately up to something, maybe oro had some other super ambition that was never mentioned and Kabumaru is trying to finish what oro started.
I think Madara and Zetsu are pretty much the same guy haha, what I mean is that Madara creared white part of zetsu from first hokage cells and black is Madara's cells because while madara was in da shadows somebody needed to do dirty work you know and that also could be how zetsu was able to record fights for madara. And Tobi himself seems to me like half Madara and half Hashirama I think he kinda said it himself.
So yeah thats my theory

I think you are right. Further more, like orchimaru was interested in hashiramas power to control bijuus, after manga 512, we see that kabuto is also interested. he wants a zetsu and yamato for there capabilities. he already new about zetsu from orochimaru (still in 512). Also, Earlier on in the manga, when kabuto first met madara, he admited to wanting sasuke, for getting all the jutsu's, and madara said he'd give him sasuke only after his plan has come to fruition. I can say that kabuto is after the juubi as well, though not openly, cause the power to gain so6p lies in sharing(uchiha) and hashirama (senju). I also think that madara suspects this.

 

[jabznaruto]

i agree with this dont think kabuto will get naruto or bee especially not naruto i mean sure kabuto has oro powere now but naruto battled head on with oro be4 he contolled the 9 tails and made oro retreat in 4tailed state now he can utilize all if the 9tails powers and not to mention use sage mode naruto has the upper hand even is kabuto use edo tensi naruto has yamato bee and the other two guy is out of commision for a while but garra will show up and i highly dought he will be alone he will prob have kankuro and temari with him so it will be pretty exciting but kabuto will have to retreat imo.

thanks for agreeing ..ninetailedhokagesage

kabuto has not mastered oro's powers yet. and sasuke sensed kabuto is weak.
kabuto's summons won't be able to match the shinobis in the island -- Naruto and bee to mention two.

i hope we could see gaara get his revenge with the summoned deidara.. and gaara would win since gaara has no village to save now. gaara has to fight deidara-summon near a land area, though, to get the upper hand.

kabuto, will play psche-war with Naruto...perhaps resurrecting Naruto's Dad and Mom...but Naruto will not buy this illusion. kabuto's main plan will be shoo Naruto in where sasuke is...let them have a "fight" hoping to weaken sasuke...remember, kabuto's main target is sasuke's eyes like oro.

but, kabuto won't surely win against a "leveled up Naruto". his summons won't matter. Edo tensei is a jutsu "to revive" the dead..but like others said...the ressurrected dead won't be as strong as the original one.
an example would be that of oro's hokage 1&2 edo tensei -- were no match to an aged 3rd hokage(that's my avatar).

kabuto's last coffin - which - drew madara's attention would be that of the SO6P's. but this is also a shell of himself -- like madara.

what would be exciting is gaara vs deidara-summon's rematch...can't wait to read this. this would be short though...a worthy arc filler as we put it.

how about it ...? ninetailedhokagesage

 

[naturo9]

white/black zetsu= ying/yang, push/pull, night/day or good/evil? (avatar)

the voice itself, black zetsu is more scarier.

 

[jabznaruto]

I think they will be about even, I mean Kabuto has Nagato, Itachi, Deidara, Sasori, Kakuzu and maybe someone else, he has his own special ability to be able to regenenate his damaged cells and excellent chakra control (I am sure of this because he could use advanced medical jutsu). And also, Orochimaru was having fun with the four-tailed Naruto but then the body he was in began to reject him as the time was near when he had to change it. He was sorry he could not stay, so he was definately confident he could handle a 4-tailed Naruto. Even if Naruto is 2 times stronger than Kabuto himself he has at least Nagato to worry about, too, as with his abilities he is a handful to even kage-level ninja. If the dead summons are with all of their original power and abilities I think Kabuto will have no problem in this fight, but that is probably not the case, so I say it's gonna be pretty even. Maybe Kabuto will even get Bee and retreat for a few months until they seal his beast lol xd jk

hi danivass...

i'm contradicting your prediction...this is in line with the storylines...but you could be right -- just an opinion eh..

kabuto could not even out the powers of the shinobis in the island. kabuto only needs to get madara's respect and trust. do you buy this???
madara won't respect and trust kabuto .. will never will --my opinion.

madara and kabuto are both playing their cards...and they are playing well for now. we know eventually..that one and only one of them will remain..that probably is madara. both madara and kabuto want sasuke---because of "eye powers". bottom line ---it will be sasuke and Naruto as the sage toad prophesized--my opinion.

madara pawned 1 zetsu...for the hachibi...and kabuto took the bait. what a fool. bee could have been foolish, but he is not a fool. bee can even take kabuto head on--this i believe...and bee having the upperhand.

no...kabuto will find the island to talk..to sweet talk Naruto..that is. this will be a part of his evil plans.

right danivass??

 

[jabznaruto]

hi naruto9,,,

in your avatar...which is which... i mean who's white and black..or good and evil ..yin or yang...

just curious

 

[jabznaruto]

white/black zetsu= ying/yang, push/pull, night/day or good/evil? (avatar)

the voice itself, black zetsu is more scarier.

i just guess the heretical demon statue is scarier than your black zetsu..

would the statue be the juubi???..is it the gedo mazo???
my opinion is...the juubi's body is the moon. the statue is a summon--as to what is its form..only kishi knows...right mugi???

the chapter really opens up discussions re "the juubi"..if we are correct that this statue is the juubi which madara wants to revive...if it is --we need to know who will be the next SO6P --to battle with this juubi--if madara is indeed able to capture bee and Naruto --- not probable,,i think..

the chapter opens up ideas of the upcoming war...it is nice to read about the alliance of the shinobis...

this is getting really exciting...

so..what can you say Snake Orochimaru Sannin??

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

Agreed, this guy is just running his mouth because he has nothing intelligent to say...got other social issues so he's yelling at all of us who enjoy this manga and can talk about it in a decent forum and since he cant relate he is just yelling and screaming and cursing etc...reminds of a "brat child having a tantrum to get attention cause he is lonely or has no one to play with"

so like you said he has a hell of a problem!

Thanks for agreeing with me I know that there are lots of guys who thinks the same but don't know why they don't answer him the way he says it.

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

Any1 notice That all the Zetsus are naked?

Good observation even though I wouldn't like to notice itxd

 

[baah]

The chapter is ok to me, i rate it 3.

I don't know whether anyone has mentioned or not, but i like to say two things:
1. Isn't Kabuto overconfidence(taking two tailed beasts) or he has another plan?
2. How did Kabtuo summon Deidara? He needs some one to sacrifice. It looks like there's no one around their camp. Kishi makes it look like Edo Tensei is Summoning Technique. lol



I agree. That's why filler sucks.

i guess he has a bunch of scrolls with dead bodies sealed on them.....