[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 512 Discussion/ 513 Predictions

[Mystikk]

Kabuto will beat the 8tails... naruto will be distracted while trying to help gaara fight deidara... deidara will almost kill gaara, an naruto wil jump in an kill deidara.

I think next chapter we mite see sasuke's EMS too.. I think that's exactly where madara is going now since kabuto is going strait for the jinchurikiis.

 

[Floydical]

shukaku (gaara's tails beast) wasn't the first one they ever caught so therefore you are incorrect. akatsuki caught other tail beast before gaara the anime just never showed them. for ex 5 tails and 7 tails where caught before sasuke and naurto had there fight in the valley of end. In shippuuden akatsuki captured the 1 tail, 2 tails, 3 tails, 4 tails and 6 tails. The 5th and 7th tails where captured before. currently they are 2 remaing naruto and bee

This is true. We know in the manga, which is what we should primarily use for reference, the 5, 6, and 7 tailed beasts were captured before the start of Shippuden, or 'part 2' as the manga states. However, we have not been given any solid proof one way or the other whether these 3 tailed beasts were captured during the gap between part 1 and 2 or even before part one started.

We know from Jiraya's conversation with Kakashi a long way back that he had been keeping surveillance the Akatsuki after Oro left them, which gives some indication of action on their part. Possibly the biggest proof we have of some tailed beasts being captured prior to part 1 was when Kisame said that without oro in the group, it will likely take them a lot longer to seal the beasts. Since oro left the organization 10 years prior to part one, we have some indication that at least one tailed beast was caught by that time, which means there would have been plenty of time to start creating zetsu clones by the start of part one.

In addition, since there are so many zetsu's we can assume more are constantly being created. Therefore it is likely only a limited number of zetsu's existed in part one since 4 more tailed beasts (not counting 6 tail) have been captured in part two, allowing much higher production rates.

Firsty i dont think that was Deidara. I believe it was a recreation. Plus i believe Zetsu was
experimented and created by Madara since he says that he infused Hashirama's chakra with the statue probably to control the chakra from the bijuu. Till now the only ability that Zetsu has showed is the one to move from place to place and bind others what can an army of Zetsus be helpful for against ninjas. Are we going to see any new abilities from Zetsu. Maybe Mokuton?

Madara stated zetsu is not a front-line fighter in his regular form. We do know, however, that he can take on another person's form but not at full power. So those 100,000 zetsu's could theoretically make 100,000 kisame's at about 1/3 his power or so. We also know that Kabuto said he could make zetsu stronger maybe by combining the summoning technique with zetsu clones or something ridiculous like that lol.

How are you so sure of that? I don't think you have anything to prove it. They started catching Tailed Beasts when Shippuuden started, not before it.

Here's the statue after double capturing the 3 and 2 tails (3 beasts left):

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Here's the statue after capturing the 4 tail (2 tailed beasts left):

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Here there are only 2 eyes left to open, ie two beasts to seal the 8 and 9. Since we have seen the 1,2,3 and 4 tailed sealed we know that (in the manga) the 5, 6 and 7 tails were all captured before part 2, some of which may have been captured prior to part one as i just stated.

 

[Yukimaru Yoshi]

How are you so sure of that? I don't think you have anything to prove it. They started catching Tailed Beasts when Shippuuden started, not before it.

Itachi and kisame was planing on capturing naruto during his rasengan training. Akatsuki was already formed before shippuuden so we can conclude that the 5th and 7 tail bijuu was already caught before shippuuden. If the 5 and 7 tails were captured in shippuuden we would have saw a filler arc about it just like how we saw a filler for the 6th tails. If you want more info go here and read about the 5th and 7th bijuu leafninja.com/jinchuuriki

Madara stated zetsu is not a front-line fighter in his regular form. We do know, however, that he can take on another person's form but not at full power. So those 100,000 zetsu's could theoretically make 100,000 kisame's at about 1/3 his power or so. We also know that Kabuto said he could make zetsu stronger maybe by combining the summoning technique with zetsu clones or something ridiculous like that lol.

true indeed, I also considered the fact zetsu skills allow him to make a perfect clone of anyone he ever encountered. Ones worst enemy is themselves. just like how we saw when neji,lee,ten ten, and guy fought themselves before..if we take zetsu ability into consideration we know that he will be able to turn those 100,000 clones into some strong fighters for ex 100,000 madara/tobi or nagato with the rinnegan witch is total bad ass.

 

[PositiveEmotions]

what is zetzu?

 

[ShogunRumble]

what is zetzu?

I wanted to ask the exact same thing, who or what the f*** is ZETSU?

The manga is called "The truth behind zetsu" and now its a bigger mystery then before!

 

[Michael92]

Awsome chapter, 5! Pretty much everything has already been said i see

I just reread from when Kabuto met Tobi and showed him the caskets when it occured to me... hasn't Kabuto just left a trail of bodies leading Anko to Tobi's lair? Now he leaves to go capture the 8 and 9 tails? I think Kabuto is trying to stop Madara.

Just though the same. Something smells fishy

Here there are only 2 eyes left to open, ie two beasts to seal the 8 and 9. Since we have seen the 1,2,3 and 4 tailed sealed we know that (in the manga) the 5, 6 and 7 tails were all captured before part 2, some of which may have been captured prior to part one as i just stated.

Pretty much everything you said were reliable untill the bold part.

Even if it was in the anime, it's still accurate and can't be ignored as a fact. We saw the 6 tails be captured in Shippuden in the 6 tails filler arc and Kishimoto wrote the story for that arc himself, meaning he states that the 6 tails was captured after start of part 2.

Deidara told Naruto that they had already caught 2 Bijus when they took Gaara, Implying that they most likely caught 2 beasts before shippuden or during the 2 and a half year skip, and the only tailed beasts that can be are the 5 tails and 7 tails as we haven't seen them get captured in manga or anime, and we know Itachi caught one and Kazuku the other.

 

[Kage no Bushin]

Cool :O

 

[Floydical]

Awsome chapter, 5! Pretty much everything has already been said i see

Pretty much everything you said were reliable untill the bold part.

Even if it was in the anime, it's still accurate and can't be ignored as a fact. We saw the 6 tails be captured in Shippuden in the 6 tails filler arc and Kishimoto wrote the story for that arc himself, meaning he states that the 6 tails was captured after start of part 2.

Deidara told Naruto that they had already caught 2 Bijus when they took Gaara, Implying that they most likely caught 2 beasts before shippuden or during the 2 and a half year skip, and the only tailed beasts that can be are the 5 tails and 7 tails as we haven't seen them get captured in manga or anime, and we know Itachi caught one and Kazuku the other.

Mmm i see your point, here's the proof:

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Seems your right but in the manga, the 6 tail must have been captured between the sealing of the one tail and before the sealing of the 2/3 tail. Since we can see all the proper eyes showing after sealing the 2/3 but we can't make out all the eyes after seeing the 1 tail sealed:

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Deidara told Naruto that they had already caught 2 Bijus when they took Gaara, Implying that they most likely caught 2 beasts before shippuden or during the 2 and a half year skip, and the only tailed beasts that can be are the 5 tails and 7 tails as we haven't seen them get captured in manga or anime, and we know Itachi caught one and Kazuku the other.

and do you have proof of this?

 

[Crutch Kaguya]

Wow, the giant Zetsu army creeped me out. :|

 

[Michael92]

Mmm i see your point, here's the proof:

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Seems your right but in the manga, the 6 tail must have been captured between the sealing of the one tail and before the sealing of the 2/3 tail. Since we can see all the proper eyes showing after sealing the 2/3 but we can't make out all the eyes after seeing the 1 tail sealed:

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and do you have proof of this?

Yeah, but Kishi might have changed his mind, or done a mistake you know. They say that they got three left, but still they capture the sanbii and yonbii after that, meaning there should have been only one left. But still Naruto and KB haven't been captured so it doesn't really add up.

The timeline might be screwed up like Itachi/Kisame capturing yonbii might be a flashback or something.



I thought it said so on Narutopedia, but not anymore. I've only heard people talking about that, but I can't find the proof for it.

 

[mycamerabroke]

Remember some chapters ago when Konan broke part of the mask from Madara, and the left part of the face was all black?

1. the left part of zetsu is also all black, and knows much more information than the white zetsu(which is made from the DNA of the hokage).
2. The right part of Tobi is actually the body of tobi and is being controlled by the black part of his body
3. The only way to kill Tobi, is by killing both parts, black part of zetsu and the black part of Madara.
4. Thats why he can regenerate parts of his body.(tobi)

DUUUUUDE! You might be on to something! I like your theory a lot. I never really payed attention to the black parts of both madara and zetsu until i read your post.

 

[Floydical]

Yeah, but Kishi might have changed his mind, or done a mistake you know. They say that they got three left, but still they capture the sanbii and yonbii after that, meaning there should have been only one left. But still Naruto and KB haven't been captured so it doesn't really add up.

The timeline might be screwed up like Itachi/Kisame capturing yonbii might be a flashback or something.

Actually the timeline is fine at the point your talking about. Keep in mind that in the manga, the capture order is the 1 tail then 3 tail then 2 tail (immediately following the 3 tail sealing) then later on 4 tail.

332 they sealed the 2 tail as i posted, but in 331 they sealed the 3 tail, beginning the sealing in 329:

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[Michael92]

Actually the timeline is fine at the point your talking about. Keep in mind that in the manga, the capture order is the 1 tail then 3 tail then 2 tail (immediately following the 3 tail sealing) then later on 4 tail.

332 they sealed the 2 tail as i posted, but in 331 they sealed the 3 tail, beginning the sealing in 329:

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Yeah, but that's not the point. They may have sealed the 3 tail first, but they already had the 2 tail as well:

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In other words, even if they sealed them right after each other, they might have chosen to seal the 3 tail first. And just beacuse they are being sealed after each other like that, doesn't that mean that they were captured at the same time. The same thing goes in the anime too if i remember right. They captured 2 tail first, but sealed it right after 3 tail (which got caught later).

But anyway, the point is that they said they had 3 left. Then they captured 4 tails and 6 tails in the anime. If you take a look at the meeting after Sasuke join madara, he says that they got 2 left in the manga. While in the anime he says 3.

So either:

1: Kishi changed his mind.
2: He made a mistake.
3: ?

 

[squiremarcus]

Yeah, but that's not the point. They may have sealed the 3 tail first, but they already had the 2 tail as well:

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In other words, even if they sealed them right after each other, they might have chosen to seal the 3 tail first. And just beacuse they are being sealed after each other like that, doesn't that mean that they were captured at the same time. The same thing goes in the anime too if i remember right. They captured 2 tail first, but sealed it right after 3 tail (which got caught later).

But anyway, the point is that they said they had 3 left. Then they captured 4 tails and 6 tails in the anime. If you take a look at the meeting after Sasuke join madara, he says that they got 2 left in the manga. While in the anime he says 3.

So either:

1: Kishi changed his mind.
2: He made a mistake.
3: ?

The anime writers just changed it so they could add a filler arc into the story.

 

[Michael92]

The anime writers just changed it so they could add a filler arc into the story.

But that filler arc was written by Masashi Kishimoto himself. That should pretty much imply that the 6 tails should be captured that way, but it somehow contradicts what the manga says.

Either on purpose, or with him not thinking over it twice (which i doubt).

 

[Konoha Rokudaime]

The chapter is ok to me, i rate it 3.

I don't know whether anyone has mentioned or not, but i like to say two things:
1. Isn't Kabuto overconfidence(taking two tailed beasts) or he has another plan?
2. How did Kabtuo summon Deidara? He needs some one to sacrifice. It looks like there's no one around their camp. Kishi makes it look like Edo Tensei is Summoning Technique. lol

But that filler arc was written by Masashi Kishimoto himself. That should pretty much imply that the 6 tails should be captured that way, but it somehow contradicts what the manga says.

Either on purpose, or with him not thinking over it twice (which i doubt).

I agree. That's why filler sucks.

 

[mjtuvok]

true indeed, I also considered the fact zetsu skills allow him to make a perfect clone of anyone he ever encountered. Ones worst enemy is themselves. just like how we saw when neji,lee,ten ten, and guy fought themselves before..if we take zetsu ability into consideration we know that he will be able to turn those 100,000 clones into some strong fighters for ex 100,000 madara/tobi or nagato with the rinnegan witch is total bad ass.

( WHICH not WITCH) lol (halloween must be on your mind)

Anyway, this is a totally unexpected development in the saga..we all knew Madara was up to something big time, but I dont think anyone saw this coming...zetsu with his 100,000 copy self.

Now consider this point: If this white Zetsu can copy any ninja...then if they were to actually go into combat with the alliance forces it would seem impossible for the alliance to win IF IN FACT the zetsu's simply copied every ninja on the battlefield *all 80,000 of them! Can you see the problem, 80,000 people trying to fight copies of themselves all at once!!!!

So how do you win a battle like that???

 

[Yukimaru Yoshi]

( WHICH not WITCH) lol (halloween must be on your mind)

Anyway, this is a totally unexpected development in the saga..we all knew Madara was up to something big time, but I dont think anyone saw this coming...zetsu with his 100,000 copy self.

Now consider this point: If this white Zetsu can copy any ninja...then if they were to actually go into combat with the alliance forces it would seem impossible for the alliance to win IF IN FACT the zetsu's simply copied every ninja on the battlefield *all 80,000 of them! Can you see the problem, 80,000 people trying to fight copies of themselves all at once!!!!

So how do you win a battle like that???

lmao yes halloween is deff on my mind haha, the only down side to zetsu copy technique is...

1 the amount of chakara the clone can use

2 the types of technique that can be used

3 ninjas are constantly improving their skills therefore zetsu clones wont be up to date with the new technique/jutsu.

But considering the clones where made from the tailed beast chakara, they might have more chakara then just a simply zetsu clone.

 

[Modaro]

which one was the zetsu who could make perfect cpies of a person including their chakra? if i rmember right it was the white one. this could explain why madara "chose" to only grow whits zetsus. this makes an army of possibly every ninja zetsu knows so far. even if the copy is not as strong as the original. 100k bad "insert random akatsuki" are better than most of the ninja of the alliance.

Yeh ur right !!!

are u a trini

 

[tristan]

there's only one thing to say:

madara / tobi is a f*cking scientist not a ninja!!! i was blown with his ploy, such a genius to plan that far...