[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 509 Discussion/ 510 Predictions

[JSW]

Original quote by Tupac: Yea ive been thinking the same also. Hes connect to zetsu some how. Rember when killerbee and his brother had chopped of kisame head off. And it was a just a clone that zetsu made. But its no ordinary clone. Like a living being itself. And also madara said in his own words i am just a former shell of myself. And clones arnt as strong as the actual person in its orginally body. Zetsu is playing a major role in madaras survival and thats y hes been around so and is one of the original akatsuki thats living.

Thats also explains why Madara didnt want Zetsu to fight agains kakashi and naruto, cause madara was afraid of loosing Zetsu

right right... i been thinking about that too. the whole zetsu being able to make an exact replica(even chakra) thing has been stuck in my mind lately.... this isnt a theory because i havent sat down and REALLY thought about it yet. so this is more like a shot in the dark,so to speak...
the two zetsus( black& white) have separate consciousness, or so it seems, and it's the white one (i think) that does the cloning thing that he did with kisame. SO, i think ultimately zetsu is the head honcho.lol... well, at least the black side is(maybe), because if you look here it seems as though "madara" is reporting to him-

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and again i say that it looks like "madara" repairs himself with some "zetsu looking thing"

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---First panel to the left , you can see he just got a brand new(and kinda slimy, lol,) arm.

so there you go... i dont really know where to go from there but thats what ive gathered so far... and this doesnt go against the possibility that he (tobi) really is madara. he could be an exact replica with the consciousness and chakra as madara that zetsu made, which would allow madaras real body to be in the sixth coffin of kabuto's, and his mind to be in tobi. <-uhh idk if that made sense.lol.
i dont believe this to be the case, im just speculating is all.

all that said, the ONLY thing that im certain of is Zetsu being the key to this RIDICULOUS puzzle.

EDIT: i would also like to add that zetsu, although he comes out of the ground and "madara" just pops the F up, kinda has the same space/time? tech that this so called "madara" likes to use( the ONLY tech he uses). <- that is irrelevant to the rest of my comment tho.

 

[WhiteRabbit]

I've been wanting this to happen for a while. But I said that he wouldn't learn advanced sealing techniques on his own... not soon anyway. Learning from an uzumaki still counts as learning from someone else

I agree with you on that point except for the fact that Naruto's most used tech he learned from a scroll which I think he could probably do again if there is a scroll full of sealing techs. Perhaps in the Fourth's cool gear room where he took baby Naruto and Kushina. It seemed like that was his armory and if it still exists, maybe only accessable through teleportation, who knows what kind of cool gear could be stashed there for Naruto to find now. With that said I still think that Naruto will find an Uzumaki Sensei to teach him.

Also, affinity is "the nature into which a person manipulates chakra most easily". The rest are just practice and insight. Wind was his affinity and so he started with it, but only because it was easier. Considering his ancestry, water might easier than earth/fire/lightning. And that puts a stop to all of sasuke's nature manipulations (fire & lightning)

Ya that is the main reason why I think Naruto will get Water for his second type. At least that was before we found out his family was from the whirlpool country, now it just makes too much sense for me to expect anything but Water.

1. sasuke shouldn't get the rinnegan. Madara knows better than giving it to him. Plus, madara has a free eye socket that he never uses.

2. the whirlpool country doesn't exist. Look at the map in

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and notice how that land is now called the "Water Country" (from any current map). Some conquests seem to have happened in the last 20 years or so.

1. The reason I think Sasuke will end up with the Rinnegan is that in the end he can sacrifice his eyes so that Naruto can become the second SoSPs. It can't work the other way around and we already know for sure Naruto has lineage from the body side as an Uzumaki and quite possibly some Senju as well from Minato. I explained my prediction more fully a while back so I won't repeat myself but something new that was said in the last chapter made me think that Madara has a reason not to take the Rinnegan for himself. He said that he gave Nagato the Rinnegan so he was just taking back what was his. If he had them before and didn't use them himself, then why? It could be that without the body of the SoSP's the Rinnegan will eventually kill their user. That's of course just a guess from what we saw happen to Nagato but regardless I don't think Madara has any intention of using the Rinnegan on himself.
Another possibility is that he was the cause of the loss which lead to Nagato developing the Rinnegan which would mean he never actually had the eyes to transplant so maybe he will use them himself but my guess is he will end up giving them to Sasuke after Sasuke and Naruto fight again and Sasuke finds out that Itachi's eyes aren't enough to defeat the new improved Naruto.

2. I meant the place where the whirpool country existed during the time the Uzumaki lived there. It would be the first place I would look if I was trying to find an Uzumaki at least. Of course he could find an Uzumaki just about anywhere since Kushina was nonspecific when she said the remaining Uzumaki spread throughout the world. Who knows maybe he has already met one and we just didn't know it.

I like your ideas primarily because you have a different angle on where you think the story is going than I do and not because I think either of us is going to be right or wrong. The main reason I like Naruto is because Kishi is so good at finding that one more logical option that few if anyone thought of. It's almost turned into a game for me to try and figure out where the story will go before it does which is why I started coming here and posting in the predictions threads pretty much exclusively. Unfortunately some DB's like to post spoilers here as well so lately I haven't been reading the thread as much so the surprise doesn't get ruined for me.

 

[DOD_bld]

Watch ... it's all been a massive genjutsu and Itachi was behind it all... when it ends, we're right back at the beginning when Sauske first saw his MS, right after Shisui was found dead...

Much Laughing Out Loud to begin now!!!

 

[Yukimaru Yoshi]

Original quote by Tupac: Yea ive been thinking the same also. Hes connect to zetsu some how. Rember when killerbee and his brother had chopped of kisame head off. And it was a just a clone that zetsu made. But its no ordinary clone. Like a living being itself. And also madara said in his own words i am just a former shell of myself. And clones arnt as strong as the actual person in its orginally body. Zetsu is playing a major role in madaras survival and thats y hes been around so and is one of the original akatsuki thats living.



right right... i been thinking about that too. the whole zetsu being able to make an exact replica(even chakra) thing has been stuck in my mind lately.... this isnt a theory because i havent sat down and REALLY thought about it yet. so this is more like a shot in the dark,so to speak...
the two zetsus( black& white) have separate consciousness, or so it seems, and it's the white one (i think) that does the cloning thing that he did with kisame. SO, i think ultimately zetsu is the head honcho.lol... well, at least the black side is(maybe), because if you look here it seems as though "madara" is reporting to him-

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and again i say that it looks like "madara" repairs himself with some "zetsu looking thing"

observe-

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---First panel to the left , you can see he just got a brand new(and kinda slimy, lol,) arm.

so there you go... i dont really know where to go from there but thats what ive gathered so far... and this doesnt go against the possibility that he (tobi) really is madara. he could be an exact replica with the consciousness and chakra as madara that zetsu made, which would allow madaras real body to be in the sixth coffin of kabuto's, and his mind to be in tobi. <-uhh idk if that made sense.lol.
i dont believe this to be the case, im just speculating is all.

all that said, the ONLY thing that im certain of is Zetsu being the key to this RIDICULOUS puzzle.

EDIT: i would also like to add that zetsu, although he comes out of the ground and "madara" just pops the F up, kinda has the same space/time? tech that this so called "madara" likes to use( the ONLY tech he uses). <- that is irrelevant to the rest of my comment tho.

Zetsu is the only akatsuki that we dont know much about. I agree zetsu n madara are linked in some way or form, but I really dont think the madara we see is a zetsu clone due to the following.

1. The techinique zetsu uses is called body splitting technique. "This

technique allows Zetsu's white half to create an exact copy of anyone he has ever touched, down to their chakra. However, it will not be strong enough to fight an extended battle, so its primary purpose is to function as a diversion. The clone retains the appearance of the person even after its "death" and returns to its form of a clone of White Zetsu only after the technique is released by Zetsu himself.

2. when madara first shows his sharigan to sasuke, sasuke eyes activated amaterasu due to itachi's sealing technique. During that time, madara's body was englufed with amaterasu. If this was a zetsu clone, it would have been dead, but in this chp madara return un-injured.

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3. Also we see similar traits when he fights konan.

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Madara's regeneration technique seen in this chapter reminds me of orochimaru technique.

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I do agree with u about the fact that the body madara is using now isn't at its full capcity as it was when he was in his prime..as for the body that was in kabuto's coffin, I do believe it was madara in his original body/ prime years.

As for the jutsu zetsu uses to travel, it is known as mayfly which enables him to merge with surrounding objects to travel faster..it is not a space time jutsu like madara's

and finally madara told zetsu not to fight because zetsu isn't a front line fighter, meaning his jutsu aren't suitable for direct comfrontation.

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Now that madara claim to give nagato the rinnegan, im starting to think that he has something to do with zetsu's eye technique...(just my opinion)

Im not trying to say anyones opinions are wrong, but I want to state facts that help better opinions and present clearer predictions O.O

 

[Floydical]

Oh yea, forgot about that. Good reminder, but in the mean time madara already gave sasuke itachi's eyes.

Madara wants sasuke to trust him so thats y him gave him itachi's eyes. Dont forget madara actually needs sasuke so he can later persuade him to implant the rinnegan..

Also, if we look back we notice madara said " No, I can't believe Nagato used his Rinne Tensei like that. Its supposed to be for me..

Gedo Rinne Tensei is pain rebirth technique he use to revive everyone in konoha..So by madara saying what he said in chp 453 pg 17 we can finally say that tobi is madara and also we can deff say that madara isn't using his original body...Y would he want nagato to use the rebirth jutsu on him if he was technically alive?

I think we finally can say madara wants sasuke to get the rinnegan so he can revive madara in his complete form.

also we can say that the body kabuto had in the coffin was deff madara's original body..Thats why he called kabuto a mad man...and he said how did u know? reffering to how did u kno that I wasn't using my original body.

mystery solved

I did wonder that myself, why would Madara want Nagato to revive him with his technique if he died from old age? It would be pointless, he'd just die right away again. Reviving him in his 'complete' form would be the only logical explanation.

In regard to Kabuto's final coffin, my initial instinct was that the body in the coffin was actually Madara's brother. But considering his level of surprise, it would make the most sense if it was his own body. That would of course mean that Madara was using someone else's body (which now seems very likely) but its clearly not anyone who has been readily involved in the story up till now. It's probably some adult uchiha, like shishu or maybe someone killed in the massacre we haven't been introduced to yet.

Someone mentioned this earlier, but I was always wondering why madara's arm looked so weird when he got hit by Minato's FTG techniqe. It looked like his arm was made of a goo or fluid rather than flesh. Maybe the body is just a duplicate of someone else's, made by zetsu, as others have implied.

 

[incme2002]

The last coffin who summoned Kabuto is the real body of Madara. Similar to Orochimaru immortality, Tobi/Madara is Zetsu's clone or Zetsu itself (maybe the blackside of it)..

 

[uzumakiclanrules]

Do you think Rikudo could be an UZUMAKI originally???

I mean this would explain how Senjus are related to Uzumakis and also the fact that SoSP sealed the jubi in himself with a powerful Fuinjutsu...

This could also explain the fact that naruto in his Kyuubi chakra mode looks a lot like SoSP...the only thing missing is the rinnegan, which I think would show up pretty soon...

 

[Kakashi the Sharingan Warrior]

Watch ... it's all been a massive genjutsu and Itachi was behind it all... when it ends, we're right back at the beginning when Sauske first saw his MS, right after Shisui was found dead...

Much Laughing Out Loud to begin now!!!

that would piss me off so much

 

[CRK2191]

The man in Kabuto's coffin is Kishi of course. If not, then it should totally be JIRAIYA. Or maybe naruto...
I wonder wat kabuto is up to... sneaky dirty rat.
KONAN POWER! we all believe in u, and that u will die very tragically =(
all the awesome people die, but stupid people like sakura, choji, and kiba don't die
madara is boring, he never does anything cool. space-time jutsu is getting boring. he seemingly has less techniques than naruto, and naruto barely has that many.

 

[Faust]

Madara needs some spanking. :/

 

[uzumakiclanrules]

Its ironic how everyone passes their hopes and dreams to Naruto and die...however no one bothers to passes their abilities or techniques...

Even Naruto's wind ability isn't that developed...he can just manage a futon rasen shuriken and a futon rasengan at most...whereas Sasuke not only has chidori developed as much as possible but also has an arsenal of all possible katon techniques up his sleeve...

True, Naruto gains a new form more often now-a-days, but its just raw form, speed or power...no new techniques, manipulation, sealing techniques or even genjutsu(even if hes bad at that...having 1 wont hurt)

Though hes the main character...ninja-wise hes one of the least developed characters...

2009 was totally about Sasuke, he got MS, EMS, amaterasu, Susanoo etc. plus we got a glimpse of his oro training and how deadly strong he's become...

Naruto only keeps gaining forms....what I really want to see is some cool long-range techniques, even though hes not much of a long range type...maybe he can learn his father's space-time jutsus and some uzumaki fuinjutsus...

 

[Yukimaru Yoshi]

Its ironic how everyone passes their hopes and dreams to Naruto and die...however no one bothers to passes their abilities or techniques...

Even Naruto's wind ability isn't that developed...he can just manage a futon rasen shuriken and a futon rasengan at most...whereas Sasuke not only has chidori developed as much as possible but also has an arsenal of all possible katon techniques up his sleeve...

True, Naruto gains a new form more often now-a-days, but its just raw form, speed or power...no new techniques, manipulation, sealing techniques or even genjutsu(even if hes bad at that...having 1 wont hurt)

Though hes the main character...ninja-wise hes one of the least developed characters...

2009 was totally about Sasuke, he got MS, EMS, amaterasu, Susanoo etc. plus we got a glimpse of his oro training and how deadly strong he's become...

Naruto only keeps gaining forms....what I really want to see is some cool long-range techniques, even though hes not much of a long range type...maybe he can learn his father's space-time jutsus and some uzumaki fuinjutsus...

Yea agree, were all hoping to see some new things comming from naruto. If naruto really spent as much time as to worry/look for sasuke he would have been a lot better by now. Danzo would have been a good wind user experience for naruto to look up to but he isn't the type of person that I would call sensei to lol U_U

 

[donnic]

grrrr i know I'm VERY VERY late on noticing this but one manga no longer exist -_- why the hell are all the manga's being license!!! geez i mean when we have to pay for our manga over here out side of japan does the authors like kishi even get paid any of the money from paying sites??????? or does it all go to the guy with the license?

 

[Alkad]

grrrr i know I'm VERY VERY late on noticing this but one manga no longer exist -_- why the hell are all the manga's being license!!! geez i mean when we have to pay for our manga over here out side of japan does the authors like kishi even get paid any of the money from paying sites??????? or does it all go to the guy with the license?

yep, shame it's gone. But we still have *********** (which is better) and narutobase (which keeps all the previous chapters). That's for naruto.

As for other titles, I don't know.

 

[noemaiden]

U_U konan death U_U

 

[JMAN]

I didn't really understand the thing about the first , second and third rikudoo . Can anyone explain it to me please !!!

 

[Konoha Rokudaime]

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