[Game] A Certain Mafia Game #30

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like alice's posts just read like she's reporting exactly what she experienced and the possible mech reasons for it, and i don't see why she'd make any of it up. it's nai at worst.
Took more then 24h to make a post one could understand.
Not to mention she seems to play this Game already for years and pretend to Not know that when a kill gets redirected it does not appear as failed.

What are your thoughts about the breadcrumb claimstyle?
 

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thanks for quotes, nessos

i can see how that looks bad for salt. but i'm not sure the quoted posts are enough for me to scumread him. the main thing is, we come from a role-light culture where d1 mech talk is often actually scummy, so johan and salt scumreading it naively might not actually be scum agenda, just kind of... culture clash? we play a lot of relatively vanilla setups and develop different kinds of ways of townreading and scumreading, which might end up looking scummy because you have an entirely different frame of mind with this kind of setup and game.

i might be biased because salt has similar scumreads to me, but i have him at probably town.

Took more then 24h to make a post one could understand.
Not to mention she seems to play this Game already for years and pretend to Not know that when a kill gets redirected it does not appear as failed.

What are your thoughts about the breadcrumb claimstyle?
taking a long time for a full direct explanation might be scummy, yeah. i don't think the second thing is something she would do as scum though, why play dumb? she could easily have the redir=>failed misconception as town too, why make it up as scum.

breadcrumbing makes sense if you have a meaningful night action history to eventually claim on a later day or time. breadcrumbing and then outing all the mech she was involved in on the same on the same day seems strategically questionable, but i'm not sure if it's scum indicative. might be clumsy town indicative? i know i have a tendency to claim info too fast as town sometimes.

in general i think people should only claim role interactions if they think it has the potential to clear another town or out a scum. but breadcrumbing your entire na history along the way might help confirm claim through other known town's confirming claims, etc.

i could see alice going both ways here, and i have no idea what she's like as a player in general. nothing unimaginable as scum, nothing unimaginable as town.
 

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Rej, focus on mechanical play and disappearance.
Demon, it was a gut thing, wasn't very strong but still a suspicion.
Ansa because also focus on mechanics and play which doesn't seem very contributive.

Nessos, literally said why 2 posts above your quoted one, as of that time and from this moment on. His behavior reinforces my vote. Want the reason why I voted, go back and read. Its there.
if he's scum, could easily see one of {rej demon ansa} being a partner
 

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@Toujo 3 questions about basics
  1. Would all roles get notification about action failed/blocked or only player that awaits informatioms
  2. When one gets targeted by a roleblocker would he get informed that he was blocked or just that his action failed? (In case he is part of 1.)
  3. When a kill shot gets redirected Not hitting the original target anymore, would there be a notification "kill failed on original target" while still hitting someone else. (Like there could have been only one killshot N0, but redirected 2 times)
 

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Funny that you townread Johann then and scumread me.

Since Johan tried hard to figure out Kytes powerlvl while I said stuff like this leads to nothing.
I said I would lynch both of you. You are both headaches to read. Flavor and mechanics focus. From my hood, it doesn't show alignment. Focusing on mechanics and flavor does create a way to post and not solve.
 
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I have played with johan , nessos before from what i understand their style of play is remscent of how i have seen oro jackson (site no longer exist) had games mechanical rpg based game where they need to figure out roles from write ups.

MU players are used to standard mafia approach games.

This is my guess this is playstyle from different site clashing toghether.
 

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First I called out both Demon and SirSalt for the same.

That was something SirSalt couldn't live with. He needed to explain himself.
With reasonings like "my voteay cause a misslynch".
For my part I still doubt a spite vote in a 19 player Game can cause a misslynch, especially when it is majority lynch.


Then we have this.

Early on Johann threw shade on everyone talking about mechanics (followed by himself keeping to talk about mechanics btw).

And SirSalt come up sheeping this opinion.


My opinion to this game is simple, mechanics play a huge role and needs to be discussed.

And i was about to lock clear you too rabbit, since you probably understood me the best of my behaviors.

Speaking to nessos quote now:
Also i did claim the scummy town title as well, the fact is I will not allow someone to shade me when behaviour has been pure.

You say like nitpicking, but I feel like it's more of you attempting to create shade and make me look scummy at any chance.

That is a wolf tactic, where is my scum behaviour? Where am I redirecting anyone's specific opinions? Votes? Or even deflecting?
You ask questions and I answer them and explain them, also you keep saying I sheeped johans opinion, are you upset because I agreed with half his opinion because you don't agree at all?

You say spite vote, but it wasn't spite, you sre creating a negative story and presentation that i had any negative feelings towards poison. Its a joke, not a dick so don't take it so analy, it was during the rvs/fluff stage. Yet you're ready to heavily into my votes but ignore the rest?

I took my vote off, when I decided it was time to get serious and show my vote was not serious. It was literally the first thing I did when I got back on.

Mechanics may need to be discussed to be spend almost 48bhours on it? No? That is wolfy. The focus needs to be on motive and reasons for creating votes and pushes.

You say I'm a wolf bevause I say let's focus on solving and ignore Alice and kyte mechanics. When there are 16 other players.

You stated you want mechanics because you and johan need to find accelerator. That isn't mechanics that a role goal. Which is not aligned to town. S
 

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so I will tunnel you. Until you decide to actually solve, and look at other players besides myself, kite and Alice and johan.

Which on the others I have no real reason to truly want to lynch, but your narrow mindedness and tunneling on flavor and mechanics is stupid. Mafia is a game of logic and deduction. Where people lie. If it was a game of mechanics, it would be mafia. It would be TOS
 

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You did check first page right?
That literally only affects kp.

No one knows the distribution of kp, and character roles are aligned with actual alignments.
E.G. Town may level 5 #1 kp and mafia has one below it. Mafia could push for a lynch.

But we know there are special conditions that allow any alignment to by pass the level situation.

For all we.know johan, and nessos are indies with special wincon or goals.

Which they need to rely on mechanics to get their goal.

Claiming is allowed. So have them claim their goals. They both are hinting at stuff which is questionable.

If they are town, why play this cat and mouse game and literally role hunt? It's anti town bevause it makes easier for scum.

Their behavior and mechanics based focus is trash. They aren't looking for scum. They are looking for ONE PLAYER
 

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That literally only affects kp.

No one knows the distribution of kp, and character roles are aligned with actual alignments.
E.G. Town may level 5 #1 kp and mafia has one below it. Mafia could push for a lynch.

But we know there are special conditions that allow any alignment to by pass the level situation.

For all we.know johan, and nessos are indies with special wincon or goals.

Which they need to rely on mechanics to get their goal.

Claiming is allowed. So have them claim their goals. They both are hinting at stuff which is questionable.

If they are town, why play this cat and mouse game and literally role hunt? It's anti town bevause it makes easier for scum.

Their behavior and mechanics based focus is trash. They aren't looking for scum. They are looking for ONE PLAYER
Yes i am looking for one player because my role is designed to have at them
 

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And scum knowing this won't attack me because even tho i am town i have to deal with a potential threat to town and mafia

If you ask me i am in a pretty damn good place
 

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My role is useless for everything else besides that one role.
So ofc i'll try to find that role

Are your Wincons different from town? That is my implication. I dont care enough to push for you to reveal, but many suspect 3p. So are you 3p with a different wincon? How can we(town) trust you? Jester requires a certain action for example. Survior is stay alive. So do you align with us? If you do, despite need yo find a certain player. You still need to hunt and lynch scum. But you haven't focused on that.
 

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Are your Wincons different from town? That is my implication. I dont care enough to push for you to reveal, but many suspect 3p. So are you 3p with a different wincon? How can we(town) trust you? Jester requires a certain action for example. Survior is stay alive. So do you align with us? If you do, despite need yo find a certain player. You still need to hunt and lynch scum. But you haven't focused on that.
Bruh i am town, its just that my role is focused on dealing with Acelerator.
 

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And scum knowing this won't attack me because even tho i am town i have to deal with a potential threat to town and mafia

If you ask me i am in a pretty damn good place
So youre saying accelerator is 3p?
Nessos said the same iirc. So why are you both at each others necks. If your both town? And want to save town?
 
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