[Game] SK-Tower Of God! The Great War!!! #28

[Kyte_]

On another note, I've seen most of the arguments against AL.

Starting with All_Red's ISO, nothing, in particular, struck me as a major red flag. However, I'm not sure why he's extraordinarily more passive and submissive than his usual self. I can even go as far as to say that he's yet to make a productive argument or engagement, so far. Something that I'd say a good player like AL is more capable of.

I think I can see an argument that he might be independent.

Also, lynching for information is certainly not the way to go, in my opinion. Not at any stage in the game. Although that might be an argument I can entertain on its own.

 

[Kyte_]

People commonly fall into fallacies, with false(?) intentions of being righteous, too. Especially in a setting where many players are relatively inexperienced, having misleading meta's, and with English as a potential barrier in communication.

So, unless you provide evidence of malicious implications of the fallacies that input to the wolves’ best interest, your process of* labeling is but unnecessarily exploiting and potentially framing, that you are simply employing at your most convenience. Which you’ve said in your own words:

Edited.

 

[Rej]

@Michelle let's start with the small but neat indicators on an "unreadable" player, following post is golden and AL's biggest credibility test

mich I love this game so I won't game throw I m pretty clear on what I m doing and how it might play out

also no I m not goofing around

"I love this game" - defines the energy AL has and is reflective with his activity, the fact him being hard to read is underlined by the fact that he follows some mafia etiquette in this game, so this statement might be consistent and truthful, more inc

"I won't game throw" - This is one of those points that made me think he is NAI and could be scum, because AL is also a teamplayer and thus can bring the same energy forward as "good scum". But here I wanna see this statement in coherence with AL's other statements in the game. So also this statement is consistent.

"I am pretty clear on what I'm doing" - noone yet pushed against this statement of AL, and in a literal sense he is clear. Even from my standpoint it was clear that AL's approach on me was pushy and I understood why, even tho the timing with him being wagonomize and RGK bringing up the "easy lynch" argument earlier was quite toxic (scummy) looking. But what we want is to give AL the consistency check here.

"No, I'm not goofing around" - With a double emphasization on the negativity forms (no/not), underlining all his statements. And also this is truthful because AL is not trolling, not writing wallies.

If you now look at all his core statements made, also you see I started with his defense here, because it is selfreflecting AL in a way he wants to reflect his townyness which is okay.

Upon further ISO I can find more that is in coherence with what I said.

Mich I know what I m doing

my reads didn't change back then so what?? you wanna sue me??

go ahead

also if I m not playing than WHAT THE HECK M I DOING

its not about that

I m seeing people jumping on my wagon with little to no reason whatsoever so why not let the mice come under the trap

if its logical than you should push me too

I was about to get back to those who are pushing me but nah I changed my mind I won't defend myself at all

my lynch will provide good chunk of info to catch scum

@Houtarou no idea if its cause of your mood or what but you're being odd some of your posts gives town vibes some don't and oddly enough you aren't really trying to push anyone and being passive

I m in between null and scum reading you

first of all AL's challenging attitude is consistent in rewind, check the yellow part.
His "giving no **** attitude" in the red post was one of many irritating points.

So my problem with AL is, on one hand he doesn't care about being lynched and on the other hand he does care about being lynched. Taking granted for what he said in his defense about passion and energy etc, I would first lean town on AL, a very unstable town lean.

I played with AL multiple times still I don't know how to read him. Sometimes scum AL is very misleading, I can't see this harmful intend, especially when he dropped consistent defenses that I can emphasize with.

 

[Rej]

@AL_sama you said you won't defend yourself at all, but later on you still did? can you explain why? and how do you feel now when I am dissecting you?

 

[Rej]

Also **** off these people throwing shade on me in their PoE and not conflicting themselves with me. You guys are weak.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Also **** off these people throwing shade on me in their PoE and not conflicting themselves with me. You guys are weak.

Of course we have conflict. I don't know about other.

Remember what you said about my wally? You have hurt my feelings. So sit there quietly inside my scum list(that's not PoE) until the next day. I'm going to attend you next phase.

I have other more important thing to focus in this DP.

 

[Aether9]

I've ISOd Poison, Michelle and AL here, and before starting, I'd like to address that there are some of the post that are old and couldnt address due to missing catching up or busy engaging with others. If there is something I asked that have been already answered, just simply quote them, since I might have missed them.

Poison:
Overall, mostly fluff posts and I cant remember her trying to scum hunt on the thread, the only serious engagements she had were with X and Ratchet though I'll say as it felt like she made a huge deal out of X's "back to back".



soft push on luk?



I dont know the point of bringing TSQ when AL was talking about Ratchet.



This seems like an odd post, as there are a lot of new players here there is no way for us to know your scum meta.



Can I ask what was your question? I know its too late but it would be better to read you.



Alright, I know this is way past that point, but can you tell why you asked this question? What was your read on Imp at that point?

btw, this is about Imps long analysis.



is it defending michelle or going after X because he voted you? Because, I dont understand what info can he get from that if he is mafia.



care to tell how Naomi acted and what happened after you went hard on him?



Its saturday now, I guess its time you give your reads?

Michelle:



IDK but this reaction felt a bit too much after luk saying he thinks he is w/w with michelle, there is no way luk was serious but this reply sure seemed serious.



another weird one from michelle, first she says she wants to hear luk's reasoning but in the second line she says his words are useless as she thinks he is a liar, so whats the point of asking his reasoning?

Aside from those opening posts, I dont think I have much issues with her and I feel like I can understand where she is coming from more as town than mafia after isoing her, but I do want to hear what she have to say about those posts. And I will say i didnt like her answering for poison to ratchet, idk why she did that but at least let her do her defendings

AL:



seems like low effort read, but thats not the issue, iirc you had problem with michelle's fluffs but also problem with her stopping them?



how can anyone go somewhere with fluffs, I thought you werent liking the fluffs but this tells me otherwise.


So let me assume, you werent convinced because michelle reads them as town this early? If thats so whats your issue with that.


you see, I am reading your posts but I dont see anything like that so far, if you can be more specific?


tbh I dont remember you explaining why though, is it because of the fluffs or something else, because i dont remember you mention anything other then the fluffs?


I am interested to know, what kind of info are you expecting here with the flips, because I saw your list of elimination.

AL is in a weird position, some of his posts are suspicious as he didnt clear what he meant but then again I am not sure what to make of this wagon on him

these are the 3 i've done so far, but more to come. meanwhile i'd like to hear from @Kyte_ @Tigerrr in the woods @Rej @Houtarou @RedGloverKing whats your reads so far(If i've missed them you can quote them, since I am read the thread all of the place). Anyway moving on.



I literally said that in that post, here


anyway seems like seems like you have no issues with the other things i mentioned. Good to know.


I dont know why are you bringing that up again as I've already said I had no problem with imp's effort, its about YOU QUESTIONING al.


Toujo is null as he can be anything no doubt, but so far I dont have any problem with him, as for AL he is leaning slight scum atm.



played scummy in the past to avoid NK'd, yea. but tbh i dont think i play scummy, thats what others think, maybe when I am overconfident, people may think that is scummy but again, i dont see that to myself, as I expect them to understand where I am coming from.

Just a reminder, i havent got any response from AL and those I mentioned to give their reads(except rej)

 

[Aether9]

@Toujo @Aether9 @beeboat what do you think of Alice so far? Nothing triggered to you about her?

yea i pointed out my issue to her and waiting to see what she has to say.

 

[Rej]

Of course we have conflict. I don't know about other.

Remember what you said about my wally? You have hurt my feelings. So sit there quietly inside my scum list(that's not PoE) until the next day. I'm going to attend you next phase.

I have other more important thing to focus in this DP.

the next time just add a summary for non wallie readers xD as you see on the example AL it was easier for me to dissect posts of these size and quantity than wallies

 

[AL_sama]

@AL_sama you said you won't defend yourself at all, but later on you still did? can you explain why? and how do you feel now when I am dissecting you?

I wasn't defending myself I was trying to gain something as for what I gained only time will tell

Also **** off these people throwing shade on me in their PoE and not conflicting themselves with me. You guys are weak.

I m more then confident that you're scum

Just a reminder, i havent got any response from AL and those I mentioned to give their reads(except rej)

yup I wasn't clear with my posts so if you scum read me for that its fine

 

[AL_sama]

let me ask all of you a question.. have any of you isoed red??

if yes than can you explain why is her only focus me and no one else??

 

[Kyte_]

it now feels like you're just shooting in the dark in hope that you'd gain a foothold in any argument.

 

[AL_sama]

it now feels like you're just shooting in the dark in hope that you'd gain a foothold in any argument.

all cool

now give an honest answer to my question

 

[Rej]

I wasn't defending myself I was trying to gain something as for what I gained only time will tell

I m more then confident that you're scum

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your read accuracy is another weak point of yours, same as contradictions

 

[AL_sama]

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your read accuracy is another weak point of yours, same as contradictions

boy I m clear on your style than anyone else in here

you're trying to be lowkey which I can let go

you're mulling on giving any sort of reads = scum rrej sign

you're being unable to read others = big fat lie cause you're good at reading

you avoided giving reads on me as far as possible and than changed them quite quickly = another scum rej sign

your voting RGK isn't something you'd do as town cause its clearly an easy pick

in short you're scum boy

 

[Aether9]

This content post is same the previous post. Just fixing the quoting problems.

I have a problem with some people who were forming a kind of relationship/partnership without any confirmation that both of them are town first in the previous game.


So when I saw XTMF tried to form a partnership inside this game the previous dilemma haunts me again.

Is I'm clear enough?

problem like?

From my experience of The Supreme Alliance, its not some blind trust between them. But yea its better to be cautious about that.

I didn't get any.

Like right now or before and after I voted AL?

you said that you understood those who were voting AL here, but never voted AL:

Spoiler

For the people who voted AL can I see your reasoning.

but the later part where you voted AL seemed you are starting to see AL as scum after just red's iso, explain that to me.

What do you mean by "going after Toujo"? You think I'm suspecting him?

You're clearly mistaken here if you believe it like that. My ISO on Toujo or anyone, it intent and purpose is for me to get the better picture of the player. After I've finished ISO Toujo I came with conclusion that Toujo is slight town, not enough to give him billboard town read.

So are you expecting something from me here?

As for my comment to Ryu Kishi, I'm just sharing my thought. Every player have their own way to read player, have their own intuition, some sort of supernatural ability, I believe that.

Again, Ryu Kishi really firmly believe that Toujo is scum while I have Toujo as slight Town. Couldn't you see the difference in read there? Those reads started as personal ground work then the player shares it with people around them. It's not consensus read but player's personal read. You want to agree/disagree with it it's up to you. Some people were able to catch scum without much work.

How is your ground work on Toujo? What's your read on him?

thats what it looked like to me, which is why I asked.

anyway, I already gave my read on Ratchet, he is null-town lean.

Just vote Poison, see the result if mislynch we going to put extra scrutiny on Toujo. I think Scum that involve in mislynch will show a degree of fakeness and strange behavior infront of the mislynch result and how they perform scum hunting in the next dp.

Even if you think about it Toujo doesn't really serious scum reading most of his scum read. Take for example Poison.

I dont know why you think people would agree to lynch poison just to determine if Toujou is right and why cant Toujou be wrong as town as well?

You see whats wrong with this test?

Is it wrong for me to know other player's opinion about someone?

This post is strange.

fair, I got that differently but to me it felt like you were focusing on poison too much.

Because she's not confirmed yet.

no one is confirmed and we all know that.

and I thought, you were reading her as town this whole time which is why that was weird to me. Even now in your reads you putting her on town list. So why would you want to lead a lynch on someone you think is town.

 

[Rej]

boy I m clear on your style than anyone else in here

you're trying to be lowkey which I can let go

you're mulling on giving any sort of reads = scum rrej sign

you're being unable to read others = big fat lie cause you're good at reading

you avoided giving reads on me as far as possible and than changed them quite quickly = another scum rej sign

your voting RGK isn't something you'd do as town cause its clearly an easy pick

in short you're scum boy

then tell me what I would do as town

 

[AL_sama]

then tell me what I would do as town

exact;y opposite of those things

 

[Rej]

exact;y opposite of those things

this are the laziest reads about me that I have ever read, except some reads Ryu made about me
you just put yourself on that lazy level

 

[Michelle]

Finally home i will catch us asap and post in this time

XDDD also is inactive. So how your point can be valid? Or it only applies to Alice alone?

XDDD was subbed out. If you can have a vonvo with XDDD be my guest.

WIFOM. Logical fallacy.

idrc and you should not interfere in this interaction or stop this interaction until i have my convo with Alice.

Glover also is inactive and right now he has received two votes(Toujo and Rej), does that means they are scum? (Both of them are my scum read currently)
@Michelle

I was waiting for an answer from Glover maybe he answered but i have to read some pages.
Why do you feel the need to indirectly defend Alice? Don't she have the possibility to answer herself?