[Game] SK-Tower Of God! The Great War!!! #28

[Aether9]

Also I feel like @beeboat kinda went away, I'd like to hear your current thought in this thread.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Why the **** it is already 3 pages!?!? How can you fluff without me!??

@SoulKiller your post says countdown to D1 I thought it's starting after 3 days.......... Misleading.. Also I forgot about forgetting the game started.

Lemme read the three pages. And imma fluff after reading it.

How can he be!?? He scum. Luk as scummy as his height. Tall shit.

Scum buddy!???

He is not playing gg but

Vote lynch @Thestatusquo

XD

Also No Mich. I'm just fluffing. I wanted to fluff early but I'm late to join. I will still fluff for a few pages.

So @Imperfection @Michelle @TheLukundo @Ryu Kishi appeared. Hmmm.... Hey to you all. I'm everyone's favorite penguin and you all are scum until you prove yourself.

Too many fluff

I don't understand your mentioning two players who are not in the game at all or are known really well by most player here to get a better comparison?

Okay, I thught that was TMI bra use he had so much to say about new player in particular and not the other new players. As if he had conversed with Toujo in particular or about Toujo with someone else.

Is this a pressure vote? What do you mean exactly by vibe with mich for a bit?



That's actually good, but Ansa don't you think my activity is nothing like my town self yet? I mean if not the top poster myself, I still run around everywhere in the thread, making more substance than I did here? I don't see why would you town read me so early? You don't do that often you know. Back during my Naomi arguments, you were there, but I still think my posts were worth town reading yet you had confusions to town read me, then why are you town reading me so early this time?

Because I'm a scum. Is that what you want to hear? I'm very aware of this, people have this kind of thinking for someone who easily giving them town read. I remember Alice has spoken about this in the previous game as a note for the people who town read her straight away.

As for me town reading you just slightly it mostly came from my feeling.

 

[Toujo]

@Kyte_

Not much time, so let me be concise -
The fallacy I *knew* (I have no need to google the vast, vast majority of them, and that one is so common it's on MafiaScum, nice try tho) applies there, and I explained why. Refute that or concede it.

"
But let me get this right, since you've refuted my statement with a fallacy, is it fair to say that you're against the ideology that "addressing ill-formed arguments about yourself is more important than interrogating other players" altogether? Interesting."

To a point, but it's not as absolutionist as you're trying to make it.

As for the three things, I told you I didn't understand 2 and 3. So explain them. This is not hard.

And this last part to me sounds to me like you've already decided your conclusion. So here's my problem. I know you've played with me before. I know you know how I play. So why, exactly, are you feigning ignorance to how I play? I mean, in and of itself, I guess it's fine. But then you come after me, and I think, okay that's still fine, this is him scumhunting. But to seriously push me for things you really ought to know are NAI for me is incredibly disingenuous. You are fitting your conclusions not from your arguments, but from the narrative you want to drive (ironic, given your accusation on me). And frankly, I'm about done with your nonsense.

 

[Michelle]

Mich I know what I m doing

my reads didn't change back then so what?? you wanna sue me??

go ahead

also if I m not playing than WHAT THE HECK M I DOING

idk what are you doing honestly, you do you after all but don't complain you are not understood by me.
you don't find abnormal the fact you set a read at Sod for me and until now you are looking at me like you saw me for the first time and nothing i said or did budged you one milimeter?
You want to be town read just because and this doesn't work like this for me.

no, maybe I have found some indicators that you are town, but I gonna observe first, also no panic you ain't the leading wagon anymore

Rej, mind to share these indicators?
I am oddly upset because i realize Al put me Iso him being confident i have to TR him after that, and i found in the Iso some things that are scum indicatives. I was asking him about them and he is liike 'so what?'
You certainly player a lot more with him than me.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Ansatsuken:

I dont know whats the point of bringing that up then?

I have a problem with some people who were forming a kind of relationship/partnership without any confirmation that both of them are town first in the previous game.


So when I saw XTMF tried to form a partnership inside this game the previous dilemma haunts me again.

Is I'm clear enough?

What are you trying to imply here?

I think I've said it very clear what I'm implying.

Just connect together my two comments where I asked people their opinion about Michelle's post and my comment that you have QUOTED here.

You will understand it.

tbh I understood everything in this post except the bolded part.

The problem here, Toujo think I have made a grammatical error. I never argued about it because I know he knows better than me, his mother language afterall.

But I think I have made a clear distinction inside my post. This statement is for who and that statement is for who. So I didn't really see it as a big issue. If you look back at my post you can clearly see where I put Naomi. Its inside the statement where I addressed Nova and not Toujo. So how Toujo could mixed things up there? Eventhough my grammar was full of error.


That's the problem with English language. It making things complicated unlike Malay language.

As for the matter concerning Nova and Naomi, they are the players from the previous game that I'm talking about. They formed a relationship as early as D1 and very comfortable with it that I found very odd and suspicious.

and tbh I was confused by the bolded part as well and its not surprising that Ratchet was also confused without any context.

Anyway the later part of the post seemed like you only wanted to discuss with the forum regular only which is kinda rude considering there are a lot of new players playing as well and the fact that this is a mafia game.

OK, I apologize for my rudeness.

and here you kinda went away from this, is there a specific reason why you didnt continue this?

The reason I didn't continue addressing the matter concerning my ISO on Toujo was because I'm satisfied with his response to my questions.

Bcuz at that point I have given him clear message "Scum hunting please". I only asked him about his vote on RGK and if he still with RGK or have found better scum candidate as my response to his response to my ISO.

can you tell me what you see to those reasoning?

I didn't get any.

because this post seem like now you are starting to see Al as scum, whats the difference between then and now?

Like right now or before and after I voted AL?

what do you think, because you were going after him but stopped half way.

What do you mean by "going after Toujo"? You think I'm suspecting him?

You're clearly mistaken here if you believe it like that. My ISO on Toujo or anyone, it intent and purpose is for me to get the better picture of the player. After I've finished ISO Toujo I came with conclusion that Toujo is slight town, not enough to give him billboard town read.

So are you expecting something from me here?

As for my comment to Ryu Kishi, I'm just sharing my thought. Every player have their own way to read player, have their own intuition, some sort of supernatural ability, I believe that.

Again, Ryu Kishi really firmly believe that Toujo is scum while I have Toujo as slight Town. Couldn't you see the difference in read there? Those reads started as personal ground work then the player shares it with people around them. It's not consensus read but player's personal read. You want to agree/disagree with it it's up to you. Some people were able to catch scum without much work.

How is your ground work on Toujo? What's your read on him?

how are we going to perform the test?

Just vote Poison, see the result if mislynch we going to put extra scrutiny on Toujo. I think Scum that involve in mislynch will show a degree of fakeness and strange behavior infront of the mislynch result and how they perform scum hunting in the next dp.

Even if you think about it Toujo doesn't really serious scum reading most of his scum read. Take for example Poison.

How deep he sees scum in Lukundo. He battled a lot with Michelle over Michelle's meta read on Lukundo. There was something that I can agree with Toujo about that Meta read. But how serious he considers Lukundo as scum? @Toujo

idk why are you still going on about poison, i get it you think poison is town but people are allowed to think what they feel

Is it wrong for me to know other player's opinion about someone?

This post is strange.

wut? this doesnt make sense anymore. I need you to explain this, because you were reading poison town why would you want to lynch her?

Because she's not confirmed yet.

Also can you give your town and scum reads atm?

Before that I'm going to

Unvote: Al_sama

I'm going to start from here

My town read
-Toujo
-Ryu Kishi
-XTMF
-Poison

My scum read
-Imp(I think he's indie)
-Kyte
-Just_Red(I think her ISO on AL was intended to fueling the fire on AL's wagon, make it much stronger. While her doing the opposite that's watching on the sideline)
-Houtarou(he post many but not aggressive enough. I'm going to ISO him)

 

[Ansatsuken]

I think I'm going to move Poison at Null position.

 

[Michelle]

Also, might be a tinfoil thought, but the fact that I've had my vote on Poison the entire game combined with the fact that several people have claimed to find Poison scummy, there has been every opportunity to start a wagon, but there hasn't even been a hint of that happening. Good be nothing, but perhaps there is a reason that this wagon hasn't happened yet.

I can only speak for me, i don't vote Poison because despite inconsistencies in her play I think she is villager by meta.

 

[Ansatsuken]

This content post is same the previous post. Just fixing the quoting problems.

Ansatsuken:




I dont know whats the point of bringing that up then?

I have a problem with some people who were forming a kind of relationship/partnership without any confirmation that both of them are town first in the previous game.


So when I saw XTMF tried to form a partnership inside this game the previous dilemma haunts me again.

Is I'm clear enough?

What are you trying to imply here?

I think I've said it very clear what I'm implying.

Just connect together my two comments where I asked people their opinion about Michelle's post and my comment that you have QUOTED here.

You will understand it.

tbh I understood everything in this post except the bolded part.

The problem here, Toujo think I have made a grammatical error. I never argued about it because I know he knows better than me, his mother language afterall.

But I think I have made a clear distinction inside my post. This statement is for who and that statement is for who. So I didn't really see it as a big issue. If you look back at my post you can clearly see where I put Naomi. Its inside the statement where I addressed Nova and not Toujo. So how Toujo could mixed things up there? Eventhough my grammar was full of error.


That's the problem with English language. It making things complicated unlike Malay language.

As for the matter concerning Nova and Naomi, they are the players from the previous game that I'm talking about. They formed a relationship as early as D1 and very comfortable with it that I found very odd and suspicious.

and tbh I was confused by the bolded part as well and its not surprising that Ratchet was also confused without any context.

Anyway the later part of the post seemed like you only wanted to discuss with the forum regular only which is kinda rude considering there are a lot of new players playing as well and the fact that this is a mafia game.

OK, I apologize for my rudeness.

and here you kinda went away from this, is there a specific reason why you didnt continue this?

The reason I didn't continue addressing the matter concerning my ISO on Toujo was because I'm satisfied with his response to my questions.

Bcuz at that point I have given him clear message "Scum hunting please". I only asked him about his vote on RGK and if he still with RGK or have found better scum candidate as my response to his response to my ISO.

can you tell me what you see to those reasoning?

I didn't get any.

because this post seem like now you are starting to see Al as scum, whats the difference between then and now?

Like right now or before and after I voted AL?

what do you think, because you were going after him but stopped half way.

What do you mean by "going after Toujo"? You think I'm suspecting him?

You're clearly mistaken here if you believe it like that. My ISO on Toujo or anyone, it intent and purpose is for me to get the better picture of the player. After I've finished ISO Toujo I came with conclusion that Toujo is slight town, not enough to give him billboard town read.

So are you expecting something from me here?

As for my comment to Ryu Kishi, I'm just sharing my thought. Every player have their own way to read player, have their own intuition, some sort of supernatural ability, I believe that.

Again, Ryu Kishi really firmly believe that Toujo is scum while I have Toujo as slight Town. Couldn't you see the difference in read there? Those reads started as personal ground work then the player shares it with people around them. It's not consensus read but player's personal read. You want to agree/disagree with it it's up to you. Some people were able to catch scum without much work.

How is your ground work on Toujo? What's your read on him?

how are we going to perform the test?

Just vote Poison, see the result if mislynch we going to put extra scrutiny on Toujo. I think Scum that involve in mislynch will show a degree of fakeness and strange behavior infront of the mislynch result and how they perform scum hunting in the next dp.

Even if you think about it Toujo doesn't really serious scum reading most of his scum read. Take for example Poison.

How deep he sees scum in Lukundo. He battled a lot with Michelle over Michelle's meta read on Lukundo. There was something that I can agree with Toujo about that Meta read. But how serious he considers Lukundo as scum? @Toujo

idk why are you still going on about poison, i get it you think poison is town but people are allowed to think what they feel

Is it wrong for me to know other player's opinion about someone?

This post is strange.

wut? this doesnt make sense anymore. I need you to explain this, because you were reading poison town why would you want to lynch her?

Because she's not confirmed yet.

Also can you give your town and scum reads atm?

Before that I'm going to

Unvote: Al_sama

I'm going to start from here

My town read
-Toujo
-Ryu Kishi
-XTMF
-Poison

My scum read
-Imp(I think he's indie)
-Kyte
-Just_Red(I think her ISO on AL was intended to fueling the fire on AL's wagon, make it much stronger. While her doing the opposite that's watching on the sideline)
-Houtarou(he post many but not aggressive enough. I'm going to ISO him)

 

[Michelle]

Yeah I'm trying to lead Poison lynch here. But first I need more input.

Ansa your wallie puts Poison in TRs and the next post in null reads.
What's your take on her?

 

[Ansatsuken]

Revised town and scum read

Town
-Ryu Kishi
-XTMF
-Michelle
-Lukundo


Slight town/Null
-Kyte
-Poison

Scum
-Just_Red
-Toujo(I put him here because he's still refraining from scum hunting
-Rej
-Houtarou

Indie
-Imp(Guts)

 

[Michelle]

For such a low poster @Alice in Noodleland received no heat in this game. Maybe she went under the radar for townies but if she would be villager scum would push there.
For me the possibility of her being scum is high because of this. Scum would not miss the chance to go after an inactive like Alice.

Oppinions?

 

[Ansatsuken]

Ansa your wallie puts Poison in TRs and the next post in null reads.
What's your take on her?

Slight town read means my town read on her isn't strong. Please Don't mistaken.

She has done little plus inactivity drop her to Null point. I'm currently reading her again and again.

 

[Toujo]

-Toujo(I put him here because he's still refraining from scum hunting

Have you read my posts where I define how I scum hunt? Because, er, I've very clearly been doing that lol. Like I could not be doing it more if I tried.

 

[Ansatsuken]

For such a low poster @Alice in Noodleland received no heat in this game. Maybe she went under the radar for townies but if she would be villager scum would push there.
For me the possibility of her being scum is high because of this. Scum would not miss the chance to go after an inactive like Alice.

Oppinions?

XDDD also is inactive. So how your point can be valid? Or it only applies to Alice alone?

 

[Toujo]

For such a low poster @Alice in Noodleland received no heat in this game. Maybe she went under the radar for townies but if she would be villager scum would push there.
For me the possibility of her being scum is high because of this. Scum would not miss the chance to go after an inactive like Alice.

Oppinions?

WIFOM. Logical fallacy.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Glover also is inactive and right now he has received two votes(Toujo and Rej), does that means they are scum? (Both of them are my scum read currently)
@Michelle

 

[Toujo]

Have you read my posts where I define how I scum hunt? Because, er, I've very clearly been doing that lol. Like I could not be doing it more if I tried.

I expect an answer to this btw.

 

[XTMF]

For such a low poster @Alice in Noodleland received no heat in this game. Maybe she went under the radar for townies but if she would be villager scum would push there.
For me the possibility of her being scum is high because of this. Scum would not miss the chance to go after an inactive like Alice.

Oppinions?

This may be my last gift for the night. Give me a few.

 

[XTMF]

Okay, this iso was a lot easier than I expected since Alice didn't have too many posts.

Enter the scummiest player.... .
Hello everyone.. Let's all have a good game.


(SK at my back with ban hammer ready

Alice don't hint.. Don't hint.

Not sure what to make of this entry post, maybe an inside joke? Fairly null.

Okay so we have many new faces in this game. Whoever got some info about them. Fill me in.

Not a great second post reaching for information here. I guess us newbies have created some intrigue, but why not just ask us yourself?

Will this inquiry of yours will help catching scums also.. Just saying

Now, this is Alice mimicking the question Al asked to Imp about his early read list. Not sure why she would try to discredit Al here when there was a couple of other people (including myself) that was at least curious about Imp's read list. Slight wolf point.

Dont miss the drama. Actually from what i Understood.


1 Princess and 3 Commanders - 4 Scums?
Baam Squad= Town
2 Sleepy heads = 3rd parties





I like this post. I can feel a sincere townie mindset from imperfection. Town lean for now.

Not a bad post here, but you could consider it CWAC. Null point.

AND GUYS PLEASE slow DOWN...EVEN FOR JUST A LITTLE BIT.

This is fluff and seems to be a common fluff post by a lot of players this game. Is this forum unfamiliar with a game of twenty people having lots of posts?

I dont need you to like it. For a player like IMPERFECTIONS whos making effort to try to make a read on everyone says a lot about his play style.




I like Luk's defense on Michelle. I think its a Townie mindset since he sounded like he doesnt have any agenda here.

Not really sure what to make of Alice attacking Aether over a pretty harmless comment. Also, Alice seems pretty eager to call players town. I don't know if she solves the game through finding town leans first, but maybe that's the case. Or she's trying to buddy, who knows.

Pro- This post gave us some ideas how X play as a scum. If theres anyone who can contribute and give more insights on X playstyle THANK YOU IN ADVANCE.

Con- I hope the bolded part does not blinded your further reads on him in the next Phase.

I don't understand why Alice cares so much about how I play as scum. Seems like another fishing expedition, but instead of salmon, she's looking for info. Nice of her to try and give Ratchet some advice, though.

Town leaning TOUJO for this post. click this to see his post.
Also Toujo answered questions clearly.

There something off about Poison's play this game. Less agressive and more on accommodating the inquaries. She usually go hard on players if she think shes right. But maybe paranoia on my part. Lets see next DP.

still Town leaning LUK and IMP.

Here's an impartial reads list. I don't know if it's particularly brave considering all of the people Alice mentioned had already gotten some considerable air time in this game.

i dont like this particular post of Oreki. What is this? Slightly Shading Michelle which is not a townie trait from your side.

Why do you need to be careful? are you hiding something.


I feel like this post is something like a fisherman setting a bait..but he got himself hooked in the mouth all the same.

Another weird post by Alice calling out Hou for giving his opinion on Michelle. Alice is a bit too eager here for whatever reason.

Whatever LUK alignment he is being the diversion . Thats what the vibes im getting.

I mean, Alice had just said that Luk was still a town read, but now his alignment is 'whatever' and he's a diversion? Interesting change of opinion. Wolfy point,.

To answer Michelle.

I think he genuinely wanted ro discover the connection between you and Luk.
And like what Ive told earlier ..he answered Directly without shading you nor Luk.
And Toujo is everywhere.

Weird, first time I've had a brain meld with Michelle with her asking Alice about her town read of Ratchet. Not really a good reason to read someone town. I guess the everywhere part makes sense.

YOU mean me Questioning AL? If its about AL,
Al is questioning IMP's effort while he's not amking any read himself. Try to appreciatte other's effort sometimes.

What a mouthful. I still don't understand the Aether-Alice conflict.

Lets see whats gonna happen. I want to tie all the top 3 lynch candidates to see the movement of the votes.


VoteLynch:Lukundo



I might switch to Poison.

Here's the 180 completed. Alice had read Luk as town in post 970. Then in post 1176 she says he's whatever alignment. Then Alice straight up votes for Luk in post 1137 while also saying she might vote for Poison (who has had her name chattered a lot). I guess I want @Alice in Noodleland to answer and show me Luk's posts that made you go from town reading him to scum reading him. I want to say that he has been a diversion since the opening of the game so that couldn't have been it.

Toujo if you're a townie hope SK gave you a BV.

Another fluff post.

You don't watch Thriller don't yah?

Another fluff post, this time in Luk's direction.

Imperfections - For his effort. I think if he's a scum he will be afraid to mention all those players and let them shift their focus on him.


Luk- for his early interactions and being open. But to be honest.. I'm taking a closer look. ThePoison - LUK- Michelle interactions became Toujou's focal point earlier this DP while Al's lynch being push. Its kinda like he is being a diversion at this point.

Here's Alice's final post (so far). It's a read list that's far from done. Still reads Imp town. Not really sure what she's reading Luk her, despite voting for him. Now is Alice reading Ratchet as scum as well? I'm confused with this entire post.

Overall, I think that Alice deserves pressure.

 

[XTMF]

Wow, please tell me Michelle did not log off before I delivered this iso.