[Game] Our loved Mangakas and their masterpieces Mafia Game #19

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I mean, please follow your own thoughts. Sage was considered town by scum. Scum needs to lynch Town. Scum thus tries to push town. Or those they believe is town.
Ok keep trying making a case using your own logic and we see whose logic is better and since when an indie is considered as town. Even Luku said they are not. Do you want me to teach you about "back to basics"?

Sage is considered town by Scum. And Who's this Scum?
 

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I don't have any clue how this line of thought even work. Godfather is very well known inside this mafia community as mafia killer role.

When we speak about Mafia killer role Godfather was always come into our mind. I don't find it strength at all. It only strength and can invite curiosity if let say I mentioned Serial Killer. Godfather is pretty normal here. Ask other people also.

@bold, That's pretty big statement there. I don't know how you define commitment but I'm pretty sure I've shown a commitment to find a scum. And I'm very committed to the game right now.

The math leading to that question,

If Poison is Mafia killer(Godfather) its logical for her the one to performed that regardless the reason. But if Poison is not Mafia killer(Godfather) but other player why would her leader wasting that killer shot on someone that never threatened Poison unless Poison asked him/her to do that. But for what reason?

And then there comes two questions, 1) Is Poison Mafia killer(Godfather)?, 2) The most important one, Is Poison confirmed to be Mafia?

Can you answer those questions?
How does the thought "She is a Mafia killer" come before the thought "She is Mafia"? Also, all Godfather tends to do in my games is to be investigated by cops as town, which has nothing to do with a killer in the first place. In short, the order of your thoughts is upside down.
 

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Ok keep trying making a case using your own logic and we see whose logic is better and since when an indie is considered as town. Even Luku said they are not. Do you want me to teach you about "back to basics"?

Sage is considered town by Scum. And Who's this Scum?
There should be Mafia between Naomi, Rej, Alice and you. I doubt that it's the whole team but I suspect to hit possibly two inside this group.
 

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Whether Rej was saved by town or scum and his own alignment are what should push this game open. I'm just not certain on how to go at this problem.
What about your previous post in DP1 that you're talking with Moth about Rej. You said Rej was powerwolfing and you really sound serious about it. Like you really believe Rej is confirmed wolf. What really happened now? What's your current position on Rej?
 

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I can't lay out my whole argument on my phone between work and leading kids training, but I will do so later today. I don't have lots of time up until the late part of this phase since I got a Floorball match tomorrow but I will definitely be around EOD plus a few hours before.
 

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What about your previous post in DP1 that you're talking with Moth about Rej. You said Rej was powerwolfing and you really sound serious about it. Like you really believe Rej is confirmed wolf. What really happened now? What's your current position on Rej?
No, Moth claimed Rej was powerwolfing. I went back at his argument with "okay, let's assume you were right...". I was leaning Rej town yesterday but my opinion has changed overnight.
 

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How does the thought "She is a Mafia killer" come before the thought "She is Mafia"? Also, all Godfather tends to do in my games is to be investigated by cops as town, which has nothing to do with a killer in the first place. In short, the order of your thoughts is upside down.
Lol, are you serious right now? All_Red think Poison is Mafia. She also think that Poison was behind the reason SK got killed. That's why Red believe Poison is Mafia. But why would Poison's team leader(Godfather) killed SK just because of Poison when Poison not even get threatened by SK? Unless Poison is Mafia leader cum killer(Godfather) and she killed SK for lulz.

And here in base Godfather besides investigated innocent they also have factional killing ability.
 

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This is information about Godfather. Look at the part" in more traditional game" and read it.

In ToS I played as Godfather. I can kill at night and investigate innocent.

Do you just going to suss me just because I have this kind of idea about Godfather?
 

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The order of questions is not important as long as you can understand the entire objective of the questions. When I said "The most important one" that I emphasize the second question more than the first one.
 

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@Rej how TF do you confuse cleavage with cleaver xDxDxD I don't know if that was done on purpose during your interaction with moth, but it seems you're trying to make him look bad, meanwhile, you're actually the one who said you're equipped with a cleaver... I'm taking that as sarcasm, but you saying that is not helping your case later when you accused moth of trying to figure out your role
I am german duh, I google terms if I don't know them. I googled cleavage that's it lmao
@Rej you seem to tailor your ISO to fit your gut feeling, this doesn't necessarily mean you're town, but it could mean you're closed minded wrt people you consider scum


@All_Red made a nice observation here, and she gets town points from me

So for now Unvote

You're not off the hook yet though
mothbomb's ISO was tailored in a way to save me off ofc, I always had scumvibes from him, sometims more or less, alot of clarification I had to find
Just an observation, just because we want someone to be town/mafia, doesn't mean that it will necessarily be so , thinking like this compromises any deductions you make. So if you have a feeling someone is town/mafia, you can try to prove yourself wrong, you'd be more objective that way (at least scientists says so x_x)
gosh, I am starting to learn mafia from Elmage it feels lol (never said I am a good player in any form tho) xd
 

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I am back now from my 5hrs slumber, damn, give me a bit time to fiddle back into the game, if it would be a 24h DP I would have already been to low with contributions.

Backtracking now.
 

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No, Moth claimed Rej was powerwolfing. I went back at his argument with "okay, let's assume you were right...". I was leaning Rej town yesterday but my opinion has changed overnight.
I even overlooked that claim by moth lmao, what was the major factor your thoughts on me changed?
In any case, looking at his time investment he's definitely not power wolfing right now.
I am not wolfing anything and I dont plan too, I had a bad day today, was quite burnt out at work and slept after that, I even announced that I will be there later on (maybe now a bit later than planned lol)
 

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My potential wolves are:
Luku/Misa (one of both)
Red/Poison (one of both)
Alice (feels like meta)

Nullreads:
Ansa
Moth
Conspirator
Konan
 

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Right now my Scum Potentials are;

  • Luku(Flimsy TMI reasoning and playing very 'quietly')
  • All_Red(constantly mark Poison as Scum without good enough reasoning. Looking so desperate to lynch Poison. Not even giving a chance to other people's opinion)
  • Rej(slightly. Rej's action can be interpreted in both ways. But he never shown really desperate to lynch someone)
This read can change as the game progressing
 

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Okay Page 29 thoughts.

First of all, Sage was an unjester, so no townie lost but it ain't even a help.

Loosing SK this early might be a blow cause he is a good player. Now about his death, my dear red had something to say


You know what this is? this pure BS, we are not kids anymore. People do think of consequences. I do not know people, but if I was the mafia that would be the last thing I would do, playing without looking a bit ahead, who does that?. Drawing attention like that isn't something smart all you know red. Actually let's expand your broad speculation a bit, big picture, I am not the mafia, someone wants to put me in a bad position and also needs to get SK out of his way. Now the latter is universal, for everyone it is applicable. Now the first part, who wants me in the bad position?
  • Alice / Luke - the people I scum read by my not so amusing ISO skills. Yeah. But I still see Alice as scum.
  • All Red - "just cause" "gut feeling" "you have weak ISO, lemme vote you"
Can't it be a calculative play? Kills SK the first night, puts Poison in a bad position which was decided prior I guess? And pointing it out the first thing the next day! Cool move isn't it?

Why can't it be you Red, you did it before and I don't see any reasons why you won't do it again. and why not Alice, because she is your scumbuddy? So that leaves Poison whom you wanted to lynch last DP "just cause" "weak ISO". "There is not much in the ISOs."
My hypothesis, that is what it was, my hypothesis that SK was killed by the people I listed has already been debunked. Lan proved it here:
That's not how Mafia works. Mafia need to get town to die during the days to win the game. If all who ever dies during the day are Mafia, then they always lose.

Power roles are a special type of unlynchable, unless you play role madness, since their claim alone will normally save them their bacon. A game where enough power roles survived is mechanically locked, more or less, unless Mafia runs the risk to get into claim wars. No matter the power of the power role, it should always be a priority for Mafia to kill them.

Mafia killing a generally great player out of fear even though he would be wrong on all of his reads (!) happens extremely rarely. Thus it is only logical to conclude that SoulKiller was right on SOMEONE, or more than one person, and was swiftly eliminated because of that. Now it is our job to find out who he suspected rightfully.
I then move away from that being a prime reason to suspect you Poison.

Now to tackle your other reasoning of my scummyness:
Why can't it be you Red, you did it before and I don't see any reasons why you won't do it again. and why not Alice, because she is your scumbuddy?
Why cant it be me... I wonder why: because I have the knowledge of my role! That's why I didn't vote myself lol. Why not Alice, because I got more dirt on you then Alice is all. Your weak ISO's are my main scum ping from you. But as Ansa disproves me here:
@All_Red

In this game we have two examples of ISO.

-Rej's ISO
-Poison's ISO

Both clearly contrasting to each other. Rej's ISOs are for me a "try hard" ISO while Poison's ISOs are 'lazy people' ISOs.

Speaking from logical stands point which of the two you think Scum would pulled?

In my experience playing this game Scum never pulled 'lazy people' ISO. They always tried to pulled out the best possible ISO(like Rej ISO) or they just play normal, less exposing play. Poison's ISOs are laughable lol. She's not even trying.
Your weak ISO's should acaully prove that you are town, rather then lazy mafia. His point disproves my sus on you.

My two main issues with you was:
lazy ISO (dp1)
close w/ SK (dp2)

both of which have been proven insufficient evidence.

That is why I am unvoting you. Hope that gets the message across.
Unvote

Vote Lynch @Alice in Noodleland

tell me more about your current stand on things.
 
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Just wanted to post that @Poison chan ISO wasn't useless, some were unnecessary yes, but she was contributing most of the time, so @All_Red your so evidence doesn't hold water, and your list of people that could kill SK is quite interesting, you added yourself first, because, why not? Then you added Poison and Alice. I see the honourable mentions though, but the list could actually be more... Makes it seem like you're trying to target poison, because you can't go for Alice, either because she's an easy target, or your scum buddy... Either way this does not look good on you
How many times do I have to explain why I didn't go for Alice. I was focusing on Poison atm. I would rather focus one player then two players at the same time.
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