Jigen and So6P powers prediction
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. The lesser Otsutsuki like Hamura, Momoshiki, etc. are either yin or yang.
wanderingcactus
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We are only shown that Momoshiki and Kaguya had the 3rd eye. Kinshiki is a Yang (he had no doujutsu). Kaguya is arguably a Yang as she did not have a Rinnegan (only the red one). Also on the shrine, both Kaguya and Kinshiki were on the bottom of the pair (possibly hinting that top is Yin and bottom is Yang).
Kaguya never did use any Rinnegan technique as well (aside from the dimensional travel). So even if she was Yin, she never did anything with her Rinnegan. There is possibly a good reason why Kaguya did not have the Tenseigan and that is because of spoilers (The Last was about to be released/in the works).
But let's theorize that a Yang ate chakra fruit, they could unlock a 3rd eye. This would be backed up by the fact that Kaguya had one (if she was indeed a Yang).
I also believe that the Tenseigan would work like a Sharingan would. It would turn off if not in use and revert back into a Byakugan and the Rinnegan would just come out of the RinneSharingan. (At least that was what I believed after watching The Last then Boruto The Movie came out and Momoshiki had 2 in his hands)
I do not believe that Momoshiki cared for Boruto nor for his eye. Remember that he faced Sasuke and he had the Rinnegan. They never tried to get his. He simply gave his seal to him because he was the one that defeated him even in his final form.
Are you talking about the filler episode? Sharingan is the diluted Yin chakra in the head. Hagoromo was far from diluted. As far as the seal goes, the most logical reason for that is he is Yin which means he needed some Yang so Hagoromo and Hamura probably stored their own chakra on the other so they can use them in case of emergency.
Hagoromo was Juubi Jin BUT that does not give him Yang. Remember what the seal does (Yin pulls the chakra out, Yang pulls the body out).
Hamura took the vessel Gedo Mazou and Hagoromo sealed the Juubi within him.
So Hagoromo only had Yin while Hamura had Yang.
Based on the movies, we can attest that the ones with Yang affinity are more with Chakra Armaments (chakra chains, cloak, weapons) because of what we have seen the Uzumakis can do, Toneri and Kinshiki.
Whereas Hashirama only had Sage Mode and no Yin chakra abilities.
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Kinshiki had a Rinnegan, the databook says that he is capable of chakra absorption and we know that Momoshiki gained a third eye after eating Kinshiki. Also, Kinshiki himself said that he’d eaten his previous “father-figure”, so he needed a Rinnegan to turn him into a fruit.
The Infinite Tskuyoumi is a Rinnegan technique, not a sharingan technique. That’s the only reason why Sasuke’s Rinnegan Susano’o blocked out the effects of it. Kaguya never had a Tenseigan and frankly there’s nothing more to discuss on this.
Also, the Tenseigan is a fake doujutsu that was half baked; There was no real logic to it.
Lukecetion
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Madara was capable of absorbing chakra without the Rinnegan as was Hashirama. We also don't know if a Rinnegan is a prerequisite in all forms of "eating" your comrade. Momoshiki already had a Rinnegan, hence his third eye can just as well be a mutation caused by the increase in chakra from eating Kinshiki.
I like how you are willing to argue that something that we know is canon regardless of how little it was explained and how stupid it was isn't "real" while you also argue that the Databooks are unfailingly true despite the fact that they often contradict the manga and take it as a fact even if the manga never touched on the specific subject. We don't know if Kinshiki has Chakra Absorption and we don't even know how his version would function.
Except we’ve Kinshiki use t/s technique in the anime exactly like Kamui so yeah, and according the online episode filler lists, that episode was canon. Also Hashirama used the Wood Dragon to absorb chakra, not his body. They’re entirely different so don’t try and compare them, and until something else is shown to prove that a Rinnegan isn’t needed to turn someone into a chakra fruit, it’s pretty set in stone. But you’re still free to try and prove me wrong of course.
Three things:
1. There is no “databooks (plural)” I used an excerpt from a databook, not several. And I even spoke on how ignorant the databook was for giving Kinshiki that attribute without him displaying it.
2. The Tenseigan is a fake doujutsu, Hamura’s spirit didn’t even have the Tenseigan when appeared before Hinata. That entire movie has more inconsistencies than the collective databooks. Sasuke not having the Rinnegan active when Hizashi found him despite it always supposing to be active. Plenty of more but yeah, you get it.
3. Kinshiki has a Rinnegan, get over it.
Lukecetion
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Hashirama used Wood Style, Nagato used Rinnegan, Momoshiki used Rinnegan, Madara used his body. They are all Chakra Absorption in terms of application with different tools being used. Hence Chakra Absorption isn't a unique trait of the Otsutsuki Clan or the Rinnegan. Meaning for all we know, Kinshiki didn't have Chakra Absorption and even if he did he (likely) didn't get it from a Rinnegan as we never see him use it or possess it.
And all Databooks to-date hold inaccurate information or things that cannot be confirmed because the manga never dwelled on it. Because of that if falls into the realm of subjectivity unless the specific excerpt you are taking is written by the current writer(s) of the manga themselves. Otherwise its a collection of subjective opinions and theories. If I read an officially licensed history book written by some dude who insisted that Hitler was a Alien from Pluto, is that true? No. Can it be true? Well technically yes. Is it likely to be true? That is up to you and your subjective opinion to decide.
"Fake" implies that it doesn't exist. Which is clearly does as we've seen it within canon material. No matter how stupid, unexplained or inconsistent it is, it isn't fake and it (sadly) exists. It also doesn't contradict other known facts of the series, meaning it fits within the story. Sasuke not having his Rinnegan active for example is a inaccuracy because we know for a fact that its wrong. The Tenseigan however is not such an inaccuracy as we don't know why Hamura didn't have it, but we know it exists.
In the realm of subjective opinions, sure.
-*Casually ignores Kinshiki’s use of s/t technique*
GG, pal. Try harder next time.
You went off on a tangent, eh? Is sticking to Naruto too taxing for you?
Regardless, I defended my stance.
“Fake” doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, fake means a counterfeit, a con, a ruse. At least that’s the way I used, which is also correct since it has multiple definitions. Try to keep up, though buddy.
It’s a fake Rinnegan and SO6P transformation spliced into one.
Disprove Kinshiki’s s/t tech use then talk, until then. Shhh
I’ll be waiting
wanderingcactus
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LOL IDK why you're discussing that though..
It's canon, half baked or not. It's logical. Tenseigan is the doujutsu that is developed if you're on Hamura's lineage whereas it becomes Rinnegan if you're on Hagoromo's.. There's nothing fake about it. That's like discussing why Hagoromo had redish hair and skin when Kaguya has white hair and skin and Hamura has bluish hair and skin. That's all Tenseigan is, just the light version and the Rinnegan is the dark version.
Overreaching, Naruto, Hashirama, Toneri had chakra absorption. They never had Rinnegan. Hell, the Uzumaki chakra chain could act like one and that's not a Rinnegan tech. Absorption, yes. Rinnegan, no? S/T.. where and when? I honestly just watched it and I must have missed it.
LOL, Toneri absorbed the sun's chakra when he absorbed all of the eyes and were caught in the sun's ray. He also just sucked Naruto's chakra even without his Tenseigan, although he has Byakugans all over his body and they also were a part of the Tenseigan Orb. Going by this fact, Kinshiki has the capability to sap chakra away. Especially for the fact that Kinshiki came after Toneri in terms of design. Which means whatever Toneri has, Kinshiki should have.
Where did you say this? I've gone over this comment thread and the closest thing you've said is:
Not really criticizing how ignorant the databook. You just stated a fact.
For a guy that's into "logic" and canon bible, you sure are dishing out a lot of illogical fanfic. Like I said, Momoshiki was never interested in doujutus. Just chakra. That's why he never saw Sasuke as a threat. Even Naruto for that matter. He simply wanted Kurama.
With this logic, Hagoromo should never have had the Rinnegan as we all know that Momoshiki, a pure blooded celestial, had them. If Hagoromo was a hybrid, he should not have awaken them. If you are trying to argue that Hagoromo absorbed the Juubi and became its Jin, then he should have fought Kaguya without the Rinnegan. Ergo, they have Tenseigan.
If you do not understand, replace Rinnegan with Sharingan. "Momoshiki has Sharingan" "Hagoromo has Sharingan" If Momoshiki has it, Hagoromo has the diluted version. Ipso facto, if Hamura has Tenseigan, it is only natural that Kaguya, Momoshiki and Kishiki would have them. Much like how Rinnegan has the Sharingan techs.
Tenseigan is canon, Kinshiki was never shown with Rinnegan, get over it.
Funny how you are willing to give Kinshiki Rinnegan despite not being shown and yet you do not question that they may have Tenseigan. Talk about biased.
Also, you are willing to use anime episodes and databooks over manga and Kishimoto written movies?
Please, try not to discuss anything since you are putting your fanfics as facts. At least mine and the others SPECULATE through being logical about our approach. If ours is not proven, we back it up with events that reinforce our claim but we never state ours as facts, at least I have not yet. Yours have been half baked the entire time. Any farfetched ideas you have had so far was never backed up by evidence nor do they come from a reliable source.
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Now to address what you and I were discussing specifically:
-I brought that up because you said “Kaguya never used any Rinnegan technique” Please try to keep up LMFAO
-I already elaborated on what I meant by fake and you’ve clearly read it, so again, you sound stupid.
-Lmfao again, you’re daft if you’re comparing Hashirama’s wood dragon absorption ability to that of a Preta Path. And when has Naruto absorbed chakra? I can’t wait to hear that reply
Oh and Kinshiki used a s/t tech here, and it’s canon. Sucks to suck, doesn’t it? I wouldn’t know.
-If what you were talking about is toward the end of The Last, where Toneri absorbed Naruto’s chakra, that was because he became tseudo Tenseigan bearer, all of the eyes put together formed the giant Tenseigan. Those eyes weren’t “a part” of the giant Tenseigan, they composed it entirely. Get your facts together.
In closing, you sound daft as all hell and should stick to replying what I directed toward you. I’ll address what I was discussing with L when he/she gets back and in their reply.
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Which btw, I noticed how you didn’t address where I brought up how Kinshiki had ate his “father figure”. Lmfao you know what and what not to respond to
Hey, stay out of the conversation I’m having with that other guy. The things he and I were discussing expand beyond this thread. Focus on our conversation, otherwise you make an ass out of yourself.
Now to address what you and I were discussing specifically:
-I brought that up because you said “Kaguya never used any Rinnegan technique” Please try to keep up
LMFAO-I already elaborated on what I meant by fake and you’ve clearly read it, so again, you sound stupid.
-Lmfao again, you’re daft if you’re comparing Hashirama’s wood dragon absorption ability to that of a Preta Path. And when has Naruto absorbed chakra? I can’t wait to hear that reply
Oh and Kinshiki used a s/t tech here, and it’s canon. Sucks to suck, doesn’t it? I wouldn’t know.
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-If what you were talking about is toward the end of The Last, where Toneri absorbed Naruto’s chakra, that was because he became tseudo Tenseigan bearer, all of the eyes put together formed the giant Tenseigan. Those eyes weren’t “a part” of the giant Tenseigan, they composed it entirely.
Get your facts together. In closing, you sound daft as all hell and should stick to replying what I directed toward you. I’ll address what I was discussing with L when he/she gets back and in their reply.
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Actually I will finish addressing your idiocy, give me a moment.
Which btw, I noticed how you didn’t address where I brought up how Kinshiki had ate his “father figure”. Lmfao you know what and what not to respond to
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Rikudou Tobi
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There is no such thing as a Hashirama with Yin path, he’s yang dominant and doesn’t have a mental energy capacity to be even considered yin.
salamander uchiha
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Yrah, I think the concept wad there early on(Bringer of darkness) but they fixed it up as they decided on yin yang.
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@Animegoin damn boy
People are denying Kaguya's sharingan?
Rikudou Tobi
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He can use a genjutsu but it really doesn’t mean he’s a strong yin (mental energy user).
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Well the SageMode marking in his face has nothing to do with “yin” and you’re assuming that Tsunade’s seal is anything relevant to Hashirama’s SageMode.
He’s using the embodiment of physical energy mixed with natural energy.
Tsunade’s deal is straight chakra stored in her mental seal just like Mito who gained this way back in Sage of six path times
Lukecetion
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I feel the need to correct this, even if I have no belief that you will comprehend it. When reading a story, context is important as is the knowledge of characters. At the time Sasuke states that it is a Rinnegan Technique he doesn't know that the Rinne-Sharingan exists, let alone that Madara has obtained it. All he knows is that Madara has the Rinnegan and cast a Visual Illusion on the world. Hence based on his knowledge he assumes its a Rinnegan Technique because as far as he knows Madara doesn't have anything else and his Rinnegan is able to block it out.
Too further elaborate on this, Madara explains that the Infinite Tsukuyomi can only be cast with the "fruit" or "eye" of the Shinju, which we see is the Rinne-Sharingan and not the Rinnegan.
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LMFAO ”he doesn’t know that the rinnesharingan exists”
- Sasuke literally refers to 2 different Bijuu’s third eyes as Rinnegan in both the Naruto and Boruto panels I posted.
-Absolutely nothing backs up your argument, not character dialog or anything. Sasuke literally sees the design on the moon and everything.
-The Purple Rinnegan design literally shows up in the eyes of the populace further signifying that it’s a Rinnegan technique.
And please don’t take a day or two to embarrass yourself again, just reply immediately. PLEASE, I’m sure the people need more entertainment. Lmfao
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Lukecetion
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Well he doesn't, arguing that he does is just invalid as you cannot know that something exists if you have never seen, heard or even imagined it before. This also falls back to a point I made to you in another thread, that being the context of a character's knowledge within the story. No one aside from Kaguya and Madara have ever unlocked the Rinne-Sharingan to our knowledge and it's name has never been said by either individual.
There isn't a known written down story of the eye that gives it a name either. We as readers know it's name because we have out-of-world mediums such as the author or collaboration pieces that give us said information. Which leads into your second point;
Of course he would refer to it as a Rinnegan, to his knowledge the Rinnegan is the highest form of Visual Prowess and there exists nothing above it as far as Sasuke knows. He does however know that the Rinnegan can take on different shapes and looks, as seen with himself and Momoshiki. He has therefore no reason or possibility to believe that its anything but that.You’re incredibly stupid. Sasuke literally refers to 2 different Bijuu’s third eyes as Rinnegan in both the Naruto and Boruto panels I posted.
Looks don't really amount to anything in terms of Ninjutsu. Which is why people with the Sharingan are so praised because they can actually deduct what kind of technique it is based on what they see with their Sharingan. Normal people cannot do that, hence they cannot judge a technique by its appearance. That and as I said, he has no knowledge of the existence of the Rinne-Sharingan, nor how it looks. There is no logical reason, or even possible reason for him to know that it isn't a Rinnegan.
This is for starters a single instance of when a Technique, without seeing it several times it can just as well have been a mistake or just how said technique appears on the target. As we see when Sasuke casts Genjutsu on the Bijuu with his Rinnegan, their eyes takes the shape of his own unique Rinnegan and not the standard Rinnegan like what the Rinne-Sharingan resulted in. Hence we have two Genjutsu cast by two different people with different results, visually speaking.The Purple Rinnegan design literally shows up in the eyes of the populace further signifying that it’s a Rinnegan technique.
Logically speaking here this would confirm either one of a few things;
(1) That Madara didn't use the Rinne-Sharingan to cast the Genjutsu, but his own Rinnegan. (Severely unlikely)
(2) That when the Genjutsu is cast by the Rinne-Sharingan, the victims are shown with the standard Rinnegan as its a devolution of the Rinne-Sharingan. (More likely)
(3) It just how the Technique looks when cast. (Also high possibility)
Nowhere in here does it even come close to referring to this eye as a "Rinnegan" and the outside information we are so lucky to have qualifies it as a Kekkai Mora named Rinne-Sharingan as opposed to a Kekkai Genkai like the Rinnegan is classified. There is nothing in the canon material to confirm or deny this, so as I mentioned earlier when you spouting about your beloved Databook: As long as nothing contradicts the outside knowledge and it fits within the context of the story then it could and likely should be taken as canon.
On a final note about just taking one source as "undeniable facts" is in regards to Sasuke referring to it as "Rinnegan". So far he is the only person in the world who has directly referred to it as such, and given his limited knowledge it does make sense that he would.
Lmfao you could’ve just told me to edit out the insults of my most recent reply, instead of deleting it.
Can I post a screenshot of what I said? I don’t want to go back and revise it from scratch
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Avani spared you from garnering more embarrassment from those who haven’t yet read this thread by deleting those comments, but I screen recorded everything, your ignorance is forever reserved and will again manifest at my leisure.
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