[Discussion] Kizaru VS Doflamingo Pirates

[chopstickchakra]

Sugar cant turn any logia into a toy. A logia is what they eat. Weve seen logia get hit off guard by bullets and they just go through.. Maybe this is one if not the only plothole

Luffy subconsciously used haki boom no more plot hole lol

 

[Sakazuki]

That's not a plothole.
We have seen numerous times ppl hitting/stopping logias without Haki. Example: Dragon stopping Smoker in loguetown, Ace's fire Spears hitting BB and Aokiji getting hit numerous times in MF. Even Aokiji lost his leg so that's pretty much explain that logias are not always in intagible mode.

You gave all examples of haki bro. Wtf is wrong with you

 

[Sakazuki]

That's not a plothole.
We have seen numerous times ppl hitting/stopping logias without Haki. Example: Dragon stopping Smoker in loguetown, Ace's fire Spears hitting BB and Aokiji getting hit numerous times in MF. Even Aokiji lost his leg so that's pretty much explain that logias are not always in intagible mode.

This is why i say you need to go to a different forum. Blackbeard can't become intangible. Dragon most definitely has haki. And im not even gonna say anything about the akainu aokiji thing.

If smoke knows haki. They do

 

[Skull Knight]

You gave all examples of haki bro. Wtf is wrong with you

If I m not wrong Armament Haki wasn't develop when loguetown incident happen.

Wait I just found a better example post TS: Monet.

 

[Sakazuki]

If I m not wrong Armament Haki wasn't develop when loguetown incident happen.

Wait I just found a better example post TS: Monet.

No we couldn't see armament haki because luffy couldn't


And that was fear, she recieved no damage

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Comfortable win for the Doflamingo family.

While Doffy fights Kizaru Diamante turns the ground into a flag. When Kizaru tries to repostion himself on the moving surface Senor Pink grabs him by the ankles from within the ground and pulls him down. Within the ground Pica has prepared a special room where sugar is located and where she can touch his leg that is sticking through the floor to turn him into a toy. Everything happens in an a couple of seconds while Doffy keeps pressuring him, nothing he can do about it. GG

You're pretty good at trolling tbh.

 

[Lord Tywin]

That's not a plothole.
We have seen numerous times ppl hitting/stopping logias without Haki. Example: Dragon stopping Smoker in loguetown, Ace's fire Spears hitting BB and Aokiji getting hit numerous times in MF. Even Aokiji lost his leg so that's pretty much explain that logias are not always in intagible mode.

It doesn’t matter none of them have strong enough Haki to do anything to Kizaru. We’ve seen how admiral level opponents react to Haki users of first commander level(akainu getting sliced by Marco and Vista and just being mildly unamused). Doflaminfo is the strongest Haki user in the family and he can’t hurt Kizaru.

Kizaru actually wins low diff

 

[Vandenre1ch]

By Doflamingo's own admission, him with his entire family attacking Fujitora would be a bad idea and should first come out with a plan....

If Fujitora would still win against them, Kizaru would too.

 

[arv993]

By Doflamingo's own admission, him with his entire family attacking Fujitora would be a bad idea and should first come out with a plan....

If Fujitora would still win against them, Kizaru would too.

When did doffy say he needed his whole family to beat fujitora?

OT: Kizaru high diffs

 

[Edogawa]

At MF ppl were fighting randomly against each other. Aokiji, Kizaru also fought WB so it doesn't make any sense. Other than that
1)All 3 admirals we're shown equal n if they fight it will be extreme diff if not a draw
2) Aokiji n Akainu has actually shown Awakening whereas Kizaru has never shown Awakening
3) if u follow film Z there was a scene where Z said Kizaru rely more on his DF n less on Haki.

Oda clearly placed emphasis on who particularly fights who; Akainu vs WB twice, Kizaru vs Marco pretty much the whole arc and Aokiji vs Jozu. Oda does the same thing again when the Red Hair crew shows up: Akainu vs Shanks and Kizaru vs Beckman. If you can't see the pattern, then that's your problem.

-Anyone with mastery over their DF have Awakening, just because Kizaru hasn't shown it doesn't mean he doesn't have it.
-Kizaru's speed and physical strength > Aokiji's; with one foot he pinned down WB's (world's strongest man) stick.
-Aokiji has the best Haki of the 3, but his DF is the weakest. Kizaru was casually blowing up Aokiji's Ice Age.

It's pretty obvious Kizaru >= Aokiji even by slight difference.

 

[Sakazuki]

Oda clearly placed emphasis on who particularly fights who; Akainu vs WB twice, Kizaru vs Marco pretty much the whole arc and Aokiji vs Jozu. Oda does the same thing again when the Red Hair crew shows up: Akainu vs Shanks and Kizaru vs Beckman. If you can't see the pattern, then that's your problem.

-Anyone with mastery over their DF have Awakening, just because Kizaru hasn't shown it doesn't mean he doesn't have it.
-Kizaru's speed and physical strength > Aokiji's; with one foot he pinned down WB's (world's strongest man) stick.
-Aokiji has the best Haki of the 3, but his DF is the weakest. Kizaru was casually blowing up Aokiji's Ice Age.

It's pretty obvious Kizaru >= Aokiji even by slight difference.

Idk tanking two haki enhanced gura gura leaves me to believe akainu has the best haki. And absolute zero freezes everything even the sun so ice might actually be better than lava if hes simultaneously freezing instead if it being ice he no longer has an effect on. I oculd be wrong

 

[Skull Knight]

It doesn’t matter none of them have strong enough Haki to do anything to Kizaru. We’ve seen how admiral level opponents react to Haki users of first commander level(akainu getting sliced by Marco and Vista and just being mildly unamused). Doflaminfo is the strongest Haki user in the family and he can’t hurt Kizaru.

Kizaru actually wins low diff

It's not about Haki. The theory is based on Kizaru putting his guard down n somehow Sugar touches him.

Oda clearly placed emphasis on who particularly fights who; Akainu vs WB twice, Kizaru vs Marco pretty much the whole arc and Aokiji vs Jozu. Oda does the same thing again when the Red Hair crew shows up: Akainu vs Shanks and Kizaru vs Beckman. If you can't see the pattern, then that's your problem.

There's no pattern.
It was Aokiji who hit the first shot on WB. Again he stopped WB when he was rushing towards the plaza.

Now Kizaru's stopping that bisento isn't a big feat as Aokiji himself did that n tried to froze WB before Jozu come to rescue WB.

So that's 2 instances where Aokiji fought WB.

Marco also fought with multiple opponents like Akainu, Garp and Kizaru.
So it's clear as day n night that There's no pattern since everyone was fighting against each other.

-Anyone with mastery over their DF have Awakening, just because Kizaru hasn't shown it doesn't mean he doesn't have it.

There's nothing that shows Kizaru has Awakening.

-Kizaru's speed and physical strength > Aokiji's; with one foot he pinned down WB's (world's strongest man) stick.

Again no big feat since Aokiji also stopped that bisento.

-Aokiji has the best Haki of the 3, but his DF is the weakest. Kizaru was casually blowing up Aokiji's Ice Age.

His DF is not the weakest. We have all seen what happened to PH where half the island is frozen.
And let's not forget he simply beat guys like Saul n Jozu by freezing them.

It's pretty obvious Kizaru >= Aokiji even by slight difference.

Lol if Kizaru is above Aokiji then that means Kizaru = Akainu.

No we couldn't see armament haki because luffy couldn't


And that was fear, she recieved no damage

Lol it's the heart which I was talking about. Law removed the heart of 3 logis users which was only possible when they are in solid form.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Idk tanking two haki enhanced gura gura leaves me to believe akainu has the best haki. And absolute zero freezes everything even the sun so ice might actually be better than lava if hes simultaneously freezing instead if it being ice he no longer has an effect on. I oculd be wrong

Don't steal red admiral's catchphrase.

 

[Edogawa]

Idk tanking two haki enhanced gura gura leaves me to believe akainu has the best haki. And absolute zero freezes everything even the sun so ice might actually be better than lava if hes simultaneously freezing instead if it being ice he no longer has an effect on. I oculd be wrong

Him tanking Haki enhanced quake punch doesn't really mean he's got better Haki. Cracker's Armament Haki > Luffy's, yet Luffy still tanked his Haki enhanced sword. If Akainu had better Haki along with having superior DF, then their fight wouldn't have lasted 10 days. Also, his ice's temperature isn't even close to absolute zero. A weakened Ace cancelled out his ice, despite naturally being the weaker DF. Aokiji has the weakest DF out of the trio admirals, but his better Haki creates a balance.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I guess we just use the word "tank" loosely.

 

[Sakazuki]

Him tanking Haki enhanced quake punch doesn't really mean he's got better Haki. Cracker's Armament Haki > Luffy's, yet Luffy still tanked his Haki enhanced sword. If Akainu had better Haki along with having superior DF, then their fight wouldn't have lasted 10 days. Also, his ice's temperature isn't even close to absolute zero. A weakened Ace cancelled out his ice, despite naturally being the weaker DF. Aokiji has the weakest DF out of the trio admirals, but his better Haki creates a balance.

He wouldve had to use haki to not be so hurt... He also got cut by vista haki enhanced sword and recieved no damage. He also got kicked by marco haki and recieved no damage. Jozu made aokiji bleed with haki ....

 

[Lord Tywin]

It's not about Haki. The theory is based on Kizaru putting his guard down n somehow Sugar touches him.
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None of them catch him off guard. I think he’s Observation Haki is going to be the best out of the admirals as it goes well with his fruit. But we’ve seen Kizaru being shot at from a blind spot. He’s never going to be caught off guard

 

[Skull Knight]

None of them catch him off guard. I think he’s Observation Haki is going to be the best out of the admirals as it goes well with his fruit. But we’ve seen Kizaru being shot at from a blind spot. He’s never going to be caught off guard

It's just a possibility(maybe 1/10000).
Top tiers like Aokiji n WB were also caught off guard.

 

[Lord Tywin]

It's just a possibility(maybe 1/10000).
Top tiers like Aokiji n WB were also caught off guard.

Not by the likes of Sugar or anyone else in DD family. Doflamingo is he only one that can hope to damage Kizaru but he needs to face Kizaru straight on. Anyone else would get slaughtered if faced with Kizaru without doflamingo

 

[Edogawa]

He wouldve had to use haki to not be so hurt... He also got cut by vista haki enhanced sword and recieved no damage. He also got kicked by marco haki and recieved no damage. Jozu made aokiji bleed with haki ....

All what Haki does is enhance base stats. Akainu's durability is high on its own without Haki. Crocodile doesn't have Haki yet tanked a Haki punch from Jozu only bleeding a little. What you're saying doesn't prove anything. If Akainu has the better Haki then he would have fodderized Aokiji, since on top of that, he has superior DF and physical strength. The only way for Aokiji to have stalemated Akainu with his inferior DF is a superior Haki. That's a conclusion derived from logically reading the manga.