There were Jews and other “non-aryans” from occupied and opposing countries that were in the Nazi army as well, that doesn’t mean that they wouldn’t have been enslaved and/or executed after the war. A “few” special exceptions mean absolutely nothing and to suggest that blacks weren’t an enemy to Aryan supremacy is beyond foolish.
Kanye: “Slavery was a choice”
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When your options are comply or die.. "choice" fundamentally looses it's meaning.
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Old news now.
Let’s talk about the 86,000 Hondurans that are about to be kicked out of the U.S.
So you didn't even bothered.
Okay let's talk about the purpose of borders and how immigration laws work then. Boring topic, but if you insist.
I'm actually curious about where you heard this news from and how this very large and specific number of Hondurans came to be. I'm assuming this has to do with the caravan? Cause if that's the case i don't think there's anything to discuss aside from the purpose of borders.
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I took his statement as referring to mental slavery.
Implying blacks are still slaves today, not physically but mentally and that that mental slavery was in part the reason blacks were physically slaves for as long they were.
I don’t see how so many people are having trouble understanding what the man said.
Meh... who cares anyway
Implying blacks are still slaves today, not physically but mentally and that that mental slavery was in part the reason blacks were physically slaves for as long they were.
I don’t see how so many people are having trouble understanding what the man said.
Meh... who cares anyway
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Saying that mental slavery was in part of the reason black were physically slaves is still saying that slavery as a whole is a choice. He clearly said that 400 years as a slaves sounds like a choice. And Kanye doesn't seem to realize that there were over 200 known slave rebellions which all failed. So his statement, all in all, is not true and ignorant.
His statement in my view was more along the lines if what Harriet Tubman had to say concerning the mindset of many slaves she spoke to.
I think people that want to be offended will infer what they need to in any given statement so as to achieve their goal of being offended.
Also anytime a provacative statement is made concerning a sensitive topic their will be a measure of outrage whether the outrage has merit or not.
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It just sounds like you're downplaying what Kanye said by assuming what his context was. His statement, in any context, is fundamentally wrong.
Considering his comments lately have revolved around the issue of free thinking and particularly the tweet that got this going, saying he liked the way Candace Owens thinks is enough for me to reasonably infer that context because it ties in well with the rest of what hes been saying.
On the other hand to make a random comment out of no where that black slaves made a choice to hop on boat and become slaves for 400 years doesnt match up to anything that i’m aware of him saying and I find that interpretation of his comment to be simple minded and thoughtless.
I don’t believe any provocative statement is wrong if it leads to a deeper discussion, better understanding and possible solution to a given problem.
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His statement only proves his ignorance on the topic and the only discussion forming out of it is having to straighten out the facts from the alternative facts of an issue that should already be common knowledge.
Kanye has been proven to be unhinged by saying things without purpose or research. He's a cultural icon and his words can influence people and if he continues to profess falsehoods, then people will believe those falsehoods and the cycle of ignorance and misinformation continues.
I'm not saying he has no right to say these things. But he shouldn't be defended by apologists or excused for what he says. What you say matters and words have consequences.
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Just by going by YouTube comments, right now, for some dumb reason, free thinking means going conservative. How the F is that free thinking?
Kanye should have said question everything, put your money on every game. Something that means question authority. Because the way he told the world, and how they are using it, is think RED to get AHEAD.
Kanye should have said question everything, put your money on every game. Something that means question authority. Because the way he told the world, and how they are using it, is think RED to get AHEAD.
it's isen't even 400 years even if we still had slaves today, there wore slaves for 150-ish years, there isen't a single person that was a slave back then that is alive today. But that doesn't mean you should just forget or rewrite history, but on the other hand maybe don't claim there is a slave culture when there clearly isn't anymore, there might be a few hundred thousand/a few million racists left, but that's it, so maybe it's time to outgrow the slave mentality and look ahead to try and improve the future instead of wanting justice (vengence) for the past.
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People claim it's free thinking because they look at the people vocal on the left (the regressive left that want to get rid of free speech) and go well the left is clearly not for free speech so what choise do i have when i feel there is nothing more imporant than the right to be able to speak my mind?
and it's not like people are going to the right, its people abandoing the left and starting to call themselves "center" instead... and it's then the left call those people Far right.
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Discrimination and systematic racism exists which impedes on the progress of the black community. One example is redlining, which is when banks disproportionately deny qualified loan applicants in predominantly minority neighborhoods. There are tons of those sorts of discriminatory practices which are overlooked or flat-out denied and then rephrased as nothing but the imagining of a "slave-mentality."
What people refer to as "special privileges" such as affirmative action or welfare is for a community that has less privileges than the average white person and are necessary to give that community a chance.
Moral grievances aside, from a more objective standpoint, helping any community to prosper will help the rest of the nation in the process. The more a population is able to flourish, the better and more happier that nation becomes. We all live in the same country, so helping one another for everyone to succeed is a goal I'm sure you would agree on. But in order to do that, we must first identify the problems we are facing and not simply ignoring them or making the case as to why x and y don't deserve them.
Honestly i think it's alot more likely that those poor minority people are being declined lones because they are poor than because they are minorities do to a country wide conspiricy to deny loans to poor people of color... it's not like poor white people are getting access to loans either...
The average white people are part of the middle class and the middle class is at the poverty line or under it yet they don't get affirmative actions because those go to people of color every single year you see white people that are more qualfied to go to collage yet getting skipped because people of color squising by them with a lower average on their test scores. (i know this and im not even american, i never even been on that continent...)
I agree with this segment, even though i am not from your country.
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But "what you think" and "what you perceive" is not what's accurate. And I know you know this is not a smart outlook to hold based on your stance on religion and science. What matters is what's true and what's not based on the facts.
There are cases of this, such as a somewhat recent case where the largest bank in Wisconsin actively discriminated disproportionately against minority neighborhoods from 2008-2010.
I understand that it's hard to admit when another race is being actively discriminated against by your own, but there is empirical evidence of this and it's been happening since the foundation of the U.S. Just because slavery and Jim Crow no longer exist doesn't mean that there is no more racist practices in the government or in business.
Guess i just find it illogical to waste time and resources to deny people lones or services based or color, ***, religion or gender when you could earn profit instead, however maybe i just have to accept that i expect to much of americans?