Kanye: “Slavery was a choice”

[Cornson]

Of cause slavery was a choice, you could chose to fight to the Death and fight against the people trying to enslave you or be inslaves, so when Kanyee says it was a choice he is not wrong... However maybe don't listen to the guy that claims with all honestly that he have "Dragon Energy" in his system...

 

[Animegoin]

Of cause slavery was a choice, you could chose to fight to the Death and fight against the people trying to enslave you or be inslaves, so when Kanyee says it was a choice he is not wrong... However maybe don't listen to the guy that claims with all honestly that he have "Dragon Energy" in his system...

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[Cornson]

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It's not bait, people wore forced in to slavery (or born in to it) but you could always throw away your life instead of living in slavery (you can't be a slave if you are already dead)

what i wrote wasn't bait, the topic itself is bait if anything is.

 

[Animegoin]

It's not bait, people wore forced in to slavery (or born in to it) but you could always throw away your life instead of living in slavery (you can't be a slave if you are already dead)

what i wrote wasn't bait, the topic itself is bait if anything is.

LMFAO no it’s bait and foolish. The whites were cruel beyond anything comprehensible and they bred fear through countless immoral and barbaric ways. People raised in captivity aren’t given a choice of free thought and even then, insurrections transpired. And once those insurrections were quashed, small legions of innocent slaves that didn’t even take part in the revolts would be killed to make examples of them. There have been countless slave revolts since the beginning of African slavery but let’s not act like centuries of conditioning, let alone the first decades of it, was an easily escapable feat. Also, the slave owners didn’t just kill you; they horrifically tortured you. Also, they (white slave owners) created systems where slaves would tell on other slaves in order prevent any and all uprisings. So a lot of the slaves didn’t know who were truly on their side if they did decide to revolt. I didn’t even touch on everything slavery entailed but you tried to oversimplify the sheer depth of enslavement and therefore it was bait, that I took but I didn’t at the same time.

 

[Cornson]

LMFAO no it’s bait and foolish. The whites were cruel beyond anything comprehensible and they bred fear through countless immoral and barbaric ways. People raised in captivity aren’t given a choice of free thought and even then, insurrections transpired. And once those insurrections were quashed, small legions of innocent slaves that didn’t even take part in the revolts would be killed to make examples of them. There have been countless slave revolts since the beginning of African slavery but let’s not act like centuries of conditioning, let alone the first decades of it, was an easily escapable feat. Also, the slave owners didn’t just kill you; they horrifically tortured you. Also, they (white slave owners) created systems where slaves would tell on other slaves in order prevent any and all uprisings. So a lot of the slaves didn’t know who were truly on their side if they did decide to revolt. I didn’t even touch on everything slavery entailed but you tried to oversimplify the sheer depth of enslavement and therefore it was bait, that I took but I didn’t at the same time.

Slavery was an invented before the first "white man nation" ever existed, there wore slavery all the way back in the oldest civilisation we have records from... and im sure similar ways to keep slaves in check was also present milenia's before american slave owners wore a thing. (even the indian's had slaves long before the white man ever set foot on the american shores)

 

[Animegoin]

Slavery was an invented before the first "white man nation" ever existed, there wore slavery all the way back in the oldest civilisation we have records from... and im sure similar ways to keep slaves in check was also present milenia's before american slave owners wore a thing. (even the indian's had slaves long before the white man ever set foot on the american shores)

Let’s not act as if that is what was being discussed; we were talking about how you said that slavery was a choice and I explained how it truly wasn’t using a few known examples.

 

[Cornson]

Let’s not act as if that is what was being discussed; we were talking about how you said that slavery was a choice and I explained how it truly wasn’t using a few known examples.

to be fair we wore talking about how Kanye West said slavery was a choice and i made a comment saying he was right: you could always "chose" death.

and right after i made a comment that maybe just maybe you shuden't be so quick to believe the words from the man who claims he have "Dragon Energy"

and it was after that you started writing to me like slavery was not a choice and then gave several examples on how system wore designed to punish several other slaves if 1 slaves rebelled. (and its not like a deny any of it, you also forgot to mention that they seperated slaves in different buildings so it would be easier to control slaves if their families was spread out instead of all in 1 building)

 

[Animegoin]

to be fair we wore talking about how Kanye West said slavery was a choice and i made a comment saying he was right: you could always "chose" death.

and right after i made a comment that maybe just maybe you shuden't be so quick to believe the words from the man who claims he have "Dragon Energy"

and it was after that you started writing to me like slavery was not a choice and then gave several examples on how system wore designed to punish several other slaves if 1 slaves rebelled. (and its not like a deny any of it, you also forgot to mention that they seperated slaves in different buildings so it would be easier to control slaves if their families was spread out instead of all in 1 building)

-WE weren’t talking about Kanye’s statement, you were; which is why I had intentionally made the portion of your initial comment that I was responding to bold. You can look back and see, it hasn’t been edited lol.

-I didn’t forget anything, which is why I’d said:

I didn’t even touch on everything slavery entailed but you tried to oversimplify the sheer depth of enslavement and therefore it was bait, that I took but I didn’t at the same time.

 

[Cornson]

-WE weren’t talking about Kanye’s statement, you were; which is why I had intentionally made the portion of your initial comment that I was responding to bold. You can look back and see, it hasn’t been edited lol.

-I didn’t forget anything, which is why I’d said:

Okay fine, "we" wore not talking about Kanye's statement. I was, i made a direct comment to the OP's claim where he/she said that's what Kanye said.

Then you commented on what i wrote, and it's at that point "we" started our conversation.

 

[Animegoin]

Okay fine, "we" wore not talking about Kanye's statement. I was, i made a direct comment to the OP's claim where he/she said that's what Kanye said.

Then you commented on what i wrote, and it's at that point "we" started our conversation.

Back on topic, from what I’ve provided thus far, enslavement wasn’t a choice.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I don't have speakers to hear what he said right now but knowing Kanye he was probably saying some shit like it was a choice because black people allowed slavery to happen instead of fighting back, they had the choice to accept or refuse. Slavery was a choice though technically, a choice by the slaver, they chose to do that to other human beings, so not hearing the context and just the headline it's not technically wrong but I know that's not what he meant.

 

[Multiply]

What??????? We were enslaved and that's that, "African Slavery" cannot be quantified by a word or an example in contrast of the Holocaust because it was much worse though.

This reply literally makes no sense and didn't address anything I said.

 

[Melanin]

This reply literally makes no sense and didn't address anything I said.

My reply makes perfect sense and it discounts everything that Kanye said. There isn’t a nugget of truth in saying Slavery was a choice, don’t bend over backwards trying to articulate Kanye’s point becuase he doesn’t have one.

 

[Multiply]

My reply makes perfect sense and it discounts everything that Kanye said. There isn’t a nugget of truth in saying Slavery was a choice, don’t bend over backwards trying to articulate Kanye’s point becuase he doesn’t have one.

This:

What??????? We were enslaved and that's that, "African Slavery" cannot be quantified by a word or an example in contrast of the Holocaust because it was much worse though.

Discounts everything Kanye said? Nah.

Kanye does have a point you are just blinded by your hate.

 

[Yeah right]

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[BanGinji]

You just don't understand what he's saying. He's not saying every slave for 400 years made the choice to be enslaved. He's saying that's almost what the perception of 'slavery' is because of the length and who it was that was enslaved.

He's essentially saying we weren't enslaved, we were imprisoned for 400 years mentally and physically. His argument is against the word slavery because it makes people automatically think of blacks like the word Holocaust does with the Jews. In that regard, I don't disagree with him. I think both words would work fine.

I think you are giving him too much credit. Mashing his 2 separate points into cohesion. The latter having some merit..

But anyway, my take away is that he's implying that blacks back then very well could have united and revolted. He went on and on about free thinking and free will etc, I think be believes that blacks had a choice to use thier free will and overcome the challenge of slavery. Cute.. And I wish it were true. But without outside intervention, (via legislation or slave sympathizers etc) the likelihood of that succeding is highly improbable.

 

[Multiply]

I think you are giving him too much credit. Mashing his 2 separate points into cohesion. The latter having some merit..

But anyway, my take away is that he's implying that blacks back then very well could have united and revolted. He went on and on about free thinking and free will etc, I think be believes that blacks had a choice to use thier free will and overcome the challenge of slavery. Cute.. And I wish it were true. But without outside intervention, (via legislation or slave sympathizers etc) the likelihood of that succeding is highly improbable.

@Bold, and they did... Several times... So is Kanye really wrong? Those slaves made that choice that everyone gave Killmonger a metaphorical standing ovation for. It follows the same meaning as death before dishonor. If someone puts a gun to your head are you gonna sit down or are you going to bully up?

 

[Lightbringer]

@Bold, and they did... Several times... So is Kanye really wrong? Those slaves made that choice that everyone gave Killmonger a metaphorical standing ovation for. It follows the same meaning as death before dishonor. If someone puts a gun to your head are you gonna sit down or are you going to bully up?

Except, if I'm not mistaken, there are records of over 200 attempts and full-scale revolts by slaves. And guess what, they all failed.

Life is tangible, honor is not. If you "bully up" with a gun to your head, you die. That's that and there goes your honor. Killmonger is a fictional character in a fictional movie. Great writing in a movie does not translate the same into reality. Those are nice soundbites, but in reality, most people don't want to die and would choose life over "honor."

And as an example of a real life situation with that sort of logic in mind, recall when Ben Carson said that if in the case of a school shooter, the students should all rush at him because he wouldn't have enough bullets to shoot them all down and it would prevent more deaths. Even though it's a different context, the idea remains the same, and in reality, that idea is pretty stupid when death is a sure thing and no guarantee of success.

 

[minamoto]

Except, if I'm not mistaken, there are records of over 200 attempts and full-scale revolts by slaves. And guess what, they all failed.

Life is tangible, honor is not. If you "bully up" with a gun to your head, you die. That's that and there goes your honor. Killmonger is a fictional character in a fictional movie. Great writing in a movie does not translate the same into reality. Those are nice soundbites, but in reality, most people don't want to die and would choose life over "honor."

And as an example of a real life situation with that sort of logic in mind, recall when Ben Carson said that if in the case of a school shooter, the students should all rush at him because he wouldn't have enough bullets to shoot them all down and it would prevent more deaths. Even though it's a different context, the idea remains the same, and in reality, that idea is pretty stupid when death is a sure thing and no guarantee of success.

Tute i see you blablabla a lot in this section...lemme ask u : do u even know wut u r talkin about???..

 

[JStar King]

You make enslavement sound simple but it was also placing blacks at the absolute bottom of all aspects of life. Do you also think the Nazis didn’t **** with the blacks and only focused on the Jews? If so, you’re a fool. The ramifications of African slavery had forever marked its people in a way that’s inescapable, especially when you take into account what transpired after the abolishment of slavery in America and abroad.

There were black SS officers in WW2 as well, so he didn't mess with all of them.