Even Hashirama dodged while midair, anyways here's the scan.
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Considering Sakura would be falling from a massive height, speed isn't relevant as she has more than enough time to jump in order to avoid the shockwave. However, the shockwave cannot even be started as Hinata can intercept the falling Sakura with an Air Palm before she connects with the ground.
Above. She can dodge with her speed, there is no way someone of Hinata's Calibre is striking Sakura before she dodges it; unless you've a feat suggesting she can outrun Kaguya in her most strongest form.
lol Deflecting Air Palm when she can't even deflect knives :lol
When couldnt she 'deflect knives'? Anyways Naruto couldnt bruise her even, with his RSM punch whereas Sakura pushed her back plus breaking horn. Someone of Hinata's caliber'll never touch Sakura.
Even Hashirama dodged while midair, anyways here's the scan.
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Above. She can dodge with her speed, there is no way someone of Hinata's Calibre is striking Sakura before she dodges it; unless you've a feat suggesting she can outrun Kaguya in her most strongest form.
When couldnt she 'deflect knives'? Anyways Naruto couldnt bruise her even, with his RSM punch whereas Sakura pushed her back plus breaking horn. Someone of Hinata's caliber'll never touch Sakura.
Kakashi is no where in that scan. I'm asking to show me where a character who is already airborne is able to change their direction and momentum. I hope you do realize that qualifies as flight/levitation, right?
Sakura didn't out run Kaguya's hand though, she was saved by Kakashi :lol Hinata's CQC feats are in fact better, as is her hype and reflexes in the war, as well as The Last as shown with her fighting Six Paths Senjutsu puppets.
Against Shin and Obito.
Naruto didn't bruise her and neither did Sakura, Sakura merely broke a 2 inch horn, something Sasuke's sword also achieved against Kinshiki's horn because said horns are small and thin.
Kakashi is no where in that scan. I'm asking to show me where a character who is already airborne is able to change their direction and momentum. I hope you do realize that qualifies as flight/levitation, right?
No it does not in Kishimotos Manga. Ninjas can dodge for a brief amount of time before they fall. Kakashi paced parried Hidan when black thing came above shot Futton Atsagai.
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Theyre midair, you see the creature is only a inch above Hidan right?
Sakura didn't out run Kaguya's hand though, she was saved by Kakashi :lol Hinata's CQC feats are in fact better, as is her hype and reflexes in the war, as well as The Last as shown with her fighting Six Paths Senjutsu puppets.
This is 99% your fanfic. Youve to prove how fast Senjutsu Puppets are or can they keep up with Kaguya the Strongest Shinobi. Prove Hinatas reflexes surpass Sakuras. Sakura reacted by exclamation symbolism dodged said attack brief amount time. RSM Naruto blitzed By Juubi Hands.
Youve to prove those knives were weaker than air palm.
Naruto didn't bruise her and neither did Sakura, Sakura merely broke a 2 inch horn, something Sasuke's sword also achieved against Kinshiki's horn because said horns are small and thin.
'Something Sasuke's sword achieve huh'? Do you know that Sasuke blade chopped Madara? Plus pierced Madara? Size is not Durability, prove her face is stronger than horn.
No it does not in Kishimotos Manga. Ninjas can dodge for a brief amount of time before they fall. Kakashi paced parried Hidan when black thing came above shot Futton Atsagai.
Theyre midair, you see the creature is only a inch above Hidan right?
Sakura didn't dodge anything, she was saved. Not only that, her reacting to the hand is irrelevant since it was far away, just as Hinata reacting to the Ten Tails hand is irrelevant since it too was far away.
Youve to prove those knives were weaker than air palm.
Kakashi wasnt on ground you see them clashing midiair which why black body rised above them. If youre correct why should creature go up? Use logic please.
Fast enough to overwhelm and react to Naruto and Hiashi. :/
In context, Sakura had other things to do like healing warmen.
Sakura didn't dodge anything, she was saved. Not only that, her reacting to the hand is irrelevant since it was far away, just as Hinata reacting to the Ten Tails hand is irrelevant since it too was far away.
Kakashi wasnt on ground you see them clashing midiair which why black body rised above them. If youre correct why should creature go up? Use logic please.
No, this would simply mean Kakashi was hit by the attack and tanked it. Again, Ninjas have never been shown to be able to move in midair, that is what we call flight.
Hence why Shin used his clone to save himself from Sasuke's fire because he can't change his direction in midair.
Hence why Gai had to summon his turtle to use as a foot stool when fighting Kisame.
Hence why Naruto had to push his allies out of the Ten Tails attack in Chapter 610/611 (can't really remember which one it was).
Take with context. She's in no way near Naruto's level. She briefly kept up with him.This Naruto is Base.
Never said she was. But Hinata fighting puppets that overwhelmed Naruto easily put her above Sakura. Just as Kurotsuchi hitting Kinshiki puts her above Sakura, even if this means she is still below Sasuke.
What are you even saying lmao?!? When the shower of spike started, Hinata reacted to and deflected one while Sakura had to be saved by Kakashi from one. Nothing hard to grasp here.
You cant prove it. Sakura dodged it. She was close to Juubi arm yet dodged. Kaguya is at full power whichs super fast to naruto. Means he cant dodge.
lmao What's left to prove? Her air palm sent a giant, high speed spike flying away and you think it can't deal with small, thin knives? Like I said, simple physics can help clear many of your confusions.
No, this would simply mean Kakashi was hit by the attack and tanked it. Again, Ninjas have never been shown to be able to move in midair, that is what we call flight.
Thats your opinion. Kakashi is midair. You cant change kishimotos drawings.
Hence why Shin used his clone to save himself from Sasuke's fire because he can't change his direction in midair.
Hence why Gai had to summon his turtle to use as a foot stool when fighting Kisame.
Hence why Naruto had to push his allies out of the Ten Tails attack in Chapter 610/611 (can't really remember which one it was).
Never said she was. But Hinata fighting puppets that overwhelmed Naruto easily put her above Sakura. Just as Kurotsuchi hitting Kinshiki puts her above Sakura, even if this means she is still below Sasuke.
Running is higher than dodging. It equates to CQC.
What are you even saying lmao?!? When the shower of spike started, Hinata reacted to and deflected one while Sakura had to be saved by Kakashi from one. Nothing hard to grasp here.
lmao What's left to prove? Her air palm sent a giant, high speed spike flying away and you think it can't deal with small, thin knives? Like I said, simple physics can help clear many of your confusions.
nope, it's clearly shown that Naruto pushing Kakashi out of the way and getting hurt himself. Moving in midair = flight, and that is not possible for normal ninjas. You can keep insisting otherwsie, but I'm not arguing this point anymore.
Sakura dodged higher than RSM speed. In close distance. Nothing you say'll change it.
Being a fast runner doesn't equate to being a good martial artists. Are you claiming Usain Bolt can beat Jackie Chan in a fight because "running is higher than dodging? :lol
Hinata was fighting for 2 whole days while Sakura was resting in the tents. If anyone is tired between the two, it's Hinata, and yet she's the one reacting to the spike unlike Sakura. You also have no proof that Sakura is tired of healing at that point in time, so refrain from speculation.
Prove spikes >>>> knives. According to me, knives >>>> spikes.
According to this guy, Juubi spikes that cut clean through one's body are inferior to knives that barely penetrate the skin. lol Okay buddy, you keep believing that
Kakuzu: His sharingan saved him so he dodged it. This time he wont.
After Kakashi see through said attack and dodged.
nope, it's clearly shown that Naruto pushing Kakashi out of the way and getting hurt himself. Moving in midair = flight, and that is not possible for normal ninjas. You can keep insisting otherwsie, but I'm not arguing this point anymore.
Being a fast runner doesn't equate to being a good martial artists. Are you claiming Usain Bolt can beat Jackie Chan in a fight because "running is higher than dodging? :lol
By your logic, Lee>>> itachi because martial artist? Just stop. Having greater speed lets you land your attacks more quickly than greater taijutsu user. I thought this is common sense. Ah, well.
Hinata was fighting for 2 whole days while Sakura was resting in the tents. If anyone is tired between the two, it's Hinata, and yet she's the one reacting to the spike unlike Sakura. You also have no proof that Sakura is tired of healing at that point in time, so refrain from speculation.
Your resorting to denying kishimoto's facts. Byakugou decreases your lifespan when you heal your allies. Because bodily energies in the cells are being exhausted. Lack of bodily energy makes you tired and weak and exhausted.
According to this guy, Juubi spikes that cut clean through one's body are inferior to knives that barely penetrate the skin. lol Okay buddy, you keep believing that
According to this guy, some 100 chapters away Juubi minions >>>>>> a newly character's tools when said character's kid shin dodged BM Naruto's strikes. I can't even with this logic.
By your logic, Lee>>> itachi because martial artist? Just stop. Having greater speed lets you land your attacks more quickly than greater taijutsu user. I thought this is common sense. Ah, well.
Itachi's taijutsu is better, so no. A better comparison to prove you wrong is Lee VS Neji. Lee is faster than Neji, even when we include Gates, yet Neji is still stronger than him. Gates Lee > Base Lee > Neji in speed, yet Neji is superior. Which proves my original point
Your resorting to denying kishimoto's facts. Byakugou decreases your lifespan when you heal your allies. Because bodily energies in the cells are being exhausted. Lack of bodily energy makes you tired and weak and exhausted.
According to this guy, some 100 chapters away Juubi minions >>>>>> a newly character's tools when said character's kid shin dodged BM Naruto's strikes. I can't even with this logic.
It being past tense or present tense is irrelevant because as now and the facts during this conversation; consist of a secondary fact confirming the first. By third war Sakura was already bound to be the best medic from her village, the last which takes place after the war confirmed that that she is the best/strongest.
For the thousandth time, Tsunade was surpassed and it's a manga fact.
You definitely have short term memory loss as I already told you I said that when I fell for your lie about translating Sakura's promo scan.
No a lie would be you saying kabuto runs the leaf hospital or you perpetuating that Sakura isn’t saradas morher, those are lies. Stop projecting and running from this ass whooping! Sakura surpassed Tsunade and its a fact that you keep ignoring.
Not that it matters since promo magazines aren't canon, only the actual film is.
Not only did I prove that Sakura could've done what Tsunade did, I proved that Tsunade didn't heal him, Kurama's chakra and Sakura did that. Tsunade restored is strength & chakra by transferring chakra via touch of the fore head; Sakura kept him alive for Tsunade to do that. Which is why she said good job.
Once again your doing what you accuse me of, ignoring the facts.
Susano'O is greater than a roof. And Sakura did in fact touch that roof with her fist to destroy it, wtf are you talking about?
Doesn't matter where Naruto punched her, his punch didn't damage her nor slow her down but Sakura's punch did the exact opposite despite Naruto not being able too and despite Kaguya's immense durbability.
And it wouldn't Physics, it would be Anatomy. XD
Being able to heal from Susano'O wounds doesn't mean Sakura can continue fighting with two blades in her chest as she has no endurance or durability feats to say the pain and bleeding wouldn't cause her to pass out.
#1 Wait.. But Sakura was able to still move and attack Madara after being impaled by a chakra rod right? Chakra rods restrict movements and cancel out ninjutsu right? Sakura continued to fight and heal while being impaled by Madara's chakra rod. So let's play your game, yes Sakura with the same technique in the same circumstance could produce the same result.
Your now playing the Shouda Coulda Woulda game XD
#2 The Regeneration is instant or works instantly that means that her body will begin healing the minute her abdomen or chest is punctured. Why do you think you've seen Tsunade bleed or hemorrhage with the technique active? Because the body repairs itself on a cellular level once any damage is gone. So yes, Sakura with the same technique in the same circumstance could produce the same result.
#3 Sakura does has durability feats please refer to #1 and then refer back to Sakura fighting with poison in her body in addition to a sword in her abdomen.
Again your being a hypocrite with your Shouda Coulda Woulda game XD
Especially considering two of Shin's knives were enough to bring her to her knees, so where are you coming from saying she can resist the power of Susano'O blades? :lol
He actually has 12+ MS and whether what you think he should or shouldn't have is irrelevant because you can't disprove or disprove what he has or doesn't have. All you need to remember is that Shin and his multiple MS nearly solo'd both Naruto & Sasuke at the same time, his visual techniques even bested Sasuke. Danzo never used Susano'O right? But he & his sharnigan allowed him to take Shisui's eye and even fight formidably against Sasuke in addition to his Susano'O.
So this means him having precognition is not a garuntee until you can prove otherwise.
Again, your the only one whose even used the word precognintion becuase I never said such a thing. I said he perceived Sasukes Katon from behind him or that his eyes reacted to Sasukes attack from the rear, which is true right?
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What would stop him from perceiving Sakura running straight at him and punching him in the chest? Lmao Sakura even screamed when she did it, is Shin deaf?
Shin's eyes there were using his clone to push him into Sasuke's fire. First panel shows a zoom in on Shin's MS, then the next shows the Shin clone being launched into the fire, and then we get the third panel of Naruto's observation of an eye power. Meaning Naruto is observing his S/T power, not whatever it is you are arguing.
Again, Shin precived his attack with his eyes. Which is his eyes rolling to the back of his head instantly was emphasized, thats my argument. How did Shin know where to move the clone? Or where to place himself? Wouldn't he have to know, see or sense where the attack was coming from?
per·ceive pərˈsēv/Submit
1. become aware or conscious of (something); come to realize or understand.
2. to notice something or someone by using sight, sound, touch, taste, or smell
Pay attention and connect the dots! Shin was able to move the Shin to cover himself from the attack or use the eye ability Naruto said Shin had because he perceived Sasukes attack.
I love how biased you are to try and off-hand Sakura being saved from Juubi clones as Kishimoto wanting to portray Team 7 teamwork when this EXACT logic can be used to off-hand Sakura hitting Kaguya or running away from Kaguya's hand.
When did I ever said that either instances weren't the result of teamwork? I would be just as clueless as you and even more willfully ignorant then what you are if I said anything less.
>Sakura reacted and her reflexes allowed her to evade Kaguya's chakra hand at it's first attempt to grab her, Kakashi saved Sakura from the second attempt of Kaguya grabbing her.
>Sakura was able to punch and damage Kaguya because Kakashi dropped her in the right place at the right time, period.
I'm not foolishness enough to think she did those things on her own or without the nuance of team work.
"Kakashi saved Sakura because they were working as a team and the theme of that chapter was having each others backs or covering for each others back, simple nuance"
"Sakura hit Kaguya because they were working as a team and the theme of that chapter was having each others backs or covering for each others back, simple nuance"
fixed @bold for you... anyway pre-war Hinata not having feats is your your problem and it doesn't make the fact that pre-war Sakura had feats Hinata didn't have..
>LMAO you said Sakura wasn't stronger then Hinata before the war.
>I post her superior stats (26>21) and her feats in general.
>You backpedal after I prove Sakura was stronger then Hinata pre-war.
>You say what that Sakura can't be superior to Hinata pre-war because Hinata doesn't have feats.
Bottom line, take this L.
Sidenote: Hinata not having feats is another reason why she didn't compare to her.
-Hinata reacted to a wooden spike that Sakura failed to
First off lol you don't know if she couldn't have or wouldn't been able to react to the spike simply because Kakashi grabbed her while the spikes were coming and had her in his arms before it did.... Meanwhile, Sakura is reacted to acid from space-time portals from short distances AND saving Obito by suddenly shielding him at the same time, the even moved him at the same time.
You said Sakura wasn't superior to Hinata before the war, the third databook disproves that and you can't counter it. You instead say it doesn't matter because Hinata had zero feats when the databook was published or before the war in general.
26 is greater then 21 right?
Hinata fought multiple Senjutsu-powered puppets in the last.
The same reason why Tsunade sent Sakura to heal the worlds saving grace.
And the same reason why Obito had to rely on Sakura instead of Naruto when he couldn't rely on the worlds saving grace.
Put two and two together and anyone can see that Hinata was assigned that position due to her power, which is why Hiashi acknowledges her as a strong Hyuga in chapter 614.
Hinata wasn't assigned to guard Naruto in like a kage body body guard lol, her entire clan prevalent to the wars effort was. lol Hinata wasn't anything special, she fit bill like the rest of her clan.
Doesn't really prove much considering I am talking about the war
lmao you mean it doesn't mean much because I disproved your statement of Sakura not being stronger then Hinata pre-war, it wouldn't be relevant now.
which is the last feats they get in Part 2 and where the two are at the pinnacle of their power, so anything else before the war is essentially irrelevant.
Says who? you? You don't get to say what's relevant or not to suit your argument but again this wouldn't be relevant is you wouldn't have denied that Sakura was stronger then Hinata pre-war.
This is like saying Naruto being assigned to go after Akastsuki puts him above Neji by the start of Part 2, which is not the case.[/QUOTE]
But you are bringing up feats from the beginning of Part 2 when I am referring to the end of the series.
I haven't brought up any early part 2 feats though, I said that Sakura was stronger then Hinata pre-war based on stats which is something you can't deny.
Sakura being sidelined shows she has very weak combat abilities, as other medics like Ino and Hana were fighting on the front lines despite also being medics.
You can't argue against it by default because it's a fact, I only brought it up because you implied Hinata/Ino did more then Sakura or was more influential in the war when Sakura over shadowed them both with one feat.
Sakura punching the ground like that is irrelevant if her fight is against a human who can jump higher than her shockwave, as shown in Chapters 611 and 651.
Again Sakura doesn't need to jump to hit Hinata, L,
I never said she was, I said she was on the front lines which shows she is strong, while Sakura was in the back, just like how Inochi, Ao, Mabui, and Shikaku were in the back and they too are not combat types.
How does intellect help her when she has no intellect feats of exploiting a CQC user's weaknesses? Do you have any feats?
Sakura has to hit Sakura to close her chakra points and Hinata is slower then Sakura but Sakura would just reopen her chakra points with yin seal release.
If all else fails, fall back on the ranking system, because you haven't argued Neji VS Sakura or Lee VS Chojuro before :lol
I don't have to fall back on rank in this discussion, I've given you many other reasons why Sakura beats Hinata. Bringing up Sakuras rank and Hinata's lower rank just solidifies that Sakura is more skilled then her or is an elite shinobi just as the other characters you mentioned.
Sakura is not the strongest medic in the Leaf, that is Kabuto.
If want me to believe Hinata can fly based on that gif, why can't you believe that Sakura surpassed Tsunade based on the DB or the character sheet Kishi made? Hypocrite!
Bottom line is that Sakura beats Hinata and you plus the other 7 think otherwise, your basically arguing with yourself at this point.. I'll give you the last word, it's my parting gift for you and anyone else present.
It being past tense or present tense is irrelevant because as now and the facts during this conversation; consist of a secondary fact confirming the first. By third war Sakura was already bound to be the best medic from her village, the last which takes place after the war confirmed that that she is the best/strongest.
For the thousandth time, Tsunade was surpassed and it's a manga fact.
Already addressed this, so I won't be repeating myself.
Not only did I prove that Sakura could've done what Tsunade did, I proved that Tsunade didn't heal him, Kurama's chakra and Sakura did that. Tsunade restored is strength & chakra by transferring chakra via touch of the fore head; Sakura kept him alive for Tsunade to do that. Which is why she said good job.
She did touch the roof though, that's how punches work
Doesn't matter where Naruto punched her, his punch didn't damage her nor slow her down but Sakura's punch did the exact opposite despite Naruto not being able too and despite Kaguya's immense durbability.
Naruto's basic punch sent her flying after using the harem technique. And yeah, it didn't do damage, just as Sakura's punch did not do any damage to Kaguya beyond a flimsy horn.
#1 Wait.. But Sakura was able to still move and attack Madara after being impaled by a chakra rod right? Chakra rods restrict movements and cancel out ninjutsu right?
Sakura continued to fight and heal while being impaled by Madara's chakra rod. So let's play your game, yes Sakura with the same technique in the same circumstance could produce the same result.
Only if the user transmits their Chakra into their opponent, which we see no indication of Madara doing, and multiple have to be used to do so, as shown with Nagato and Naruto or with Madara and Hashirama. At the same time, the rod has to penetrate a Chakra Point, as Hashirama points out to Sasuke that his Chakra Points were hit by Madara's rods.
Sakura was not healing after being impaled, she only threw a punch.
#2 The Regeneration is instant or works instantly that means that her body will begin healing the minute her abdomen or chest is punctured. Why do you think you've seen Tsunade bleed or hemorrhage with the technique active? Because the body repairs itself on a cellular level once any damage is gone. So yes, Sakura with the same technique in the same circumstance could produce the same result.
Tsunade does bleed when the seal is on, even Sakura bled with the seal on as shown when Naruto pulled the rod out of her.
#3 Sakura does has durability feats please refer to #1 and then refer back to Sakura fighting with poison in her body in addition to a sword in her abdomen.
Both got pierced by branches, yet Neji couldn't handle it while Karin was able to endure it and heal herself. The same case applies to Sakura and Tsunade until you can show that Sakura can tank Susano'O blades without going into shock or failing to endure the pain. This is different than being able to heal it, something like how Tsunade couldn't grow her legs back because her body couldn't handle doing it due to being so damaged. You need to prove Sakura can heal herself with her body under that level of damage.
He actually has 12+ MS and whether what you think he should or shouldn't have is irrelevant because you can't disprove or disprove what he has or doesn't have. All you need to remember is that Shin and his multiple MS nearly solo'd both Naruto & Sasuke at the same time, his visual techniques even bested Sasuke. Danzo never used Susano'O right? But he & his sharnigan allowed him to take Shisui's eye and even fight formidably against Sasuke in addition to his Susano'O.
Thanks for that sweet quote. Also, Danzo had one MS :lol
Anyways, again, already addressed this, so I won't be repeating myself.
Again, your the only one whose even used the word precognintion becuase I never said such a thing. I said he perceived Sasukes Katon from behind him or that his eyes reacted to Sasukes attack from the rear, which is true right?
What would stop him from perceiving Sakura running straight at him and punching him in the chest? Lmao Sakura even screamed when she did it, is Shin deaf?
Already addressed this, so I won't be repeating myself.
Again, Shin precived his attack with his eyes. Which is his eyes rolling to the back of his head instantly was emphasized, thats my argument. How did Shin know where to move the clone? Or where to place himself? Wouldn't he have to know, see or sense where the attack was coming from?
Pay attention and connect the dots! Shin was able to move the Shin to cover himself from the attack or use the eye ability Naruto said Shin had because he perceived Sasukes attack.
You're right on this point, but it doesn't change the bottom line that Shin was paying attention to someone other than Sakura. Just as Hidan, who was besting Kakashi in CQC, got hit by Shikamaru due to being off guard, or even Lee being able to split Madara in a similar fashion.
When did I ever said that either instances weren't the result of teamwork? I would be just as clueless as you and even more willfully ignorant then what you are if I said anything less.
>Sakura reacted and her reflexes allowed her to evade Kaguya's chakra hand at it's first attempt to grab her, Kakashi saved Sakura from the second attempt of Kaguya grabbing her.
>Sakura was able to punch and damage Kaguya because Kakashi dropped her in the right place at the right time, period.
I'm not foolishness enough to think she did those things on her own or without the nuance of team work.
Both are correct even "simple nuance" part, Sakura did what she did as a part of a team.
Already addressed this, so I won't be repeating myself.
Sidenote: Hinata not having feats is another reason why she didn't compare to her. while the spikes were coming and had her in his arms before it did....
Don't start using this line of logic, because I can just as easily argue like an idiot and say you don't know whether Hinata could or couldn't have "dodged" Kaguya's arm too.
Meanwhile, Sakura is reacted to acid from space-time portals from short distances AND saving Obito by suddenly shielding him at the same time, the even moved him at the same time.
If you observe that page properly, you can see Obito looking down at the pool of acid forming in front of him, as the waterfall is already hitting the sand in front of Obito. Sakura simply grabbed him and jumped away, with no impressive speed to speak of.
Hinata, Neji, her father along with other Hyuga you mean.
Team 8 was assigned to track down Sasuke and Itachi in order to capture the former and kill the latter, so the notion of being assigned a mission doesn't hold any merit here to begin with, let alone the fact that we are talking about War Sakura/Hinata, and in the war Hinata is made to protect Naruto by Shikaku not Sakura. You need to stop bringing up irrelevant things from the past.
How is that better than puppets that move on their own, puppets that have human-like movments, puppets that display actual CQC skill, puppets powered by Six Paths Senjutsu, and puppets that overwhelmed Naruto and Hiashi?
You're also once again trying to push Sakuras surprise attacks while ignoring the surprise part of them, as Sakura faked being poisoned to lure in Sasori, who would be off guard due to being unaware she had an antidote. She literally admits this herself, what tf are you even trying to play at? :lol
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Chico didn't save her from anything, she was controlling her which means she was responsible for her evasion.
Yup yet Sakura quickly went onto say that Sakura really didn't need her help.
That doesn't change my point. Sakura was able to dodge things thanks to Chiyo controlling her. Please show me where in that fight Sakura dodged any attacks bar the pin-pointed sword barrage? Even in that, Chiyo aided her in it.
Tsunade was out of Chakra. Obito chose Sakura because Naruto was busy and a clone wasn't enough, which doesn't say much given how much Naruto had wasted and used up up until then.
And that first point only proves Sakura > Hinata as a medic if anything since she is reviving near-dead peoples lives.
But when it comes to preventing deaths in terms of combat, Hinata was assigned the task by Shikaku.
Hinata wasn't assigned to guard Naruto in like a kage body body guard lol, her entire clan prevalent to the wars effort was. lol Hinata wasn't anything special, she fit bill like the rest of her clan.
Yeah, because Hinata is shown to be superior during the war, both by feats and hype in terms of CQC skills and battle prowess.
Says who? you? You don't get to say what's relevant or not to suit your argument but again this wouldn't be relevant is you wouldn't have denied that Sakura was stronger then Hinata pre-war.
No, lol, it's just common sense. This is like using CE Lee beating CE Sasuke to argue for the two in the Sasuke Retrival arc. There's a wide gap in time, so bringing up past feats in place of ignoring latest feats is wrong.
I haven't brought up any early part 2 feats though, I said that Sakura was stronger then Hinata pre-war based on stats which is something you can't deny.
I never said Hinata is, and yes Ino is a medic, as Tsunade's rules say each team has to be a medic. That's why she knows mystic palm. And there's also Hana who is a medic nin as well and she was fighting too.
lol Tsunade's rule says that medics are not supposed to be at the forefront of fights. Not that thy can't help others fight. Hence why Sakura went on missions against Akatsuki and Orochimaru. Are you trying to argue medic nins are not meant to fight at all? lol
You can't argue against it by default because it's a fact, I only brought it up because you implied Hinata/Ino did more then Sakura or was more influential in the war when Sakura over shadowed them both with one feat.
Those are puppets and S/T ninjutsu, and the latter wasn't even when she was engaged in combat, but observing while Naruto fought. Applying her being able to decipher those things to CQC means nothing when she has no feats in doing so, just as someone like Shikamaru has no feats in deciphering how to counter Sasori's fighting style until shown otherwise. You are applying different forms of intelligence to different categories.
Sakura has to hit Sakura to close her chakra points and Hinata is slower then Sakura
Pretty sure Jackie Chan is slower than Usain Bolt, but I guarantee you the CQC specialist who knows an actual martial arts form is the one landing the first hit vs someone who's just fast
And that's not even mentioning Hinata fought puppets in CQC fast enough to react to Naruto and block his attacks, all without Byakugan. Sakura has no CQC feats to compare.
Even assuming Sakura's speed is greater, how do you know it is enough to affect Hinata's performance? Hiashi was blitzed by the Tenseigan Puppets, yet Hinata, who is slower than him based on what we know, still matched up. Meaning she can handle opponent's in CQC even if they are faster than her in movement/running speeds.
but Sakura would just reopen her chakra points with yin seal release.
It is referring to future Sakura, likely as an adult, as 699 shows Tsuande making an artifical arm unlike Sakura. And where in the Last was this said? Databook?
If want me to believe Hinata can fly based on that gif, why can't you believe that Sakura surpassed Tsunade based on the DB or the character sheet Kishi made? Hypocrite!
I just finished telling you I am aware that Hinata flying is ambiguous and up for debate, so I am not using it in my arguments. You should try doing the same instead of relying on possibilities and maybes.
Itachi's taijutsu is better, so no. A better comparison to prove you wrong is Lee VS Neji. Lee is faster than Neji, even when we include Gates, yet Neji is still stronger than him. Gates Lee > Base Lee > Neji in speed, yet Neji is superior. Which proves my original point
Neji is clearly capable of percieving his movements. 5th gates lee percieved by Byakugan activated Neji. Neji is a prodigy who completely mastered the arts + the chakra emittion to five metres ability which helps in sensing incoming attacks and blocking with Rotation. Hiashi and Hanabi both amazed at how powerful he was. Kakashi admitted not Sasuke even would beat him. Tenten admitted Neji defense>>>> Gaara defense and Temari thought Gaara defense is unbreakable. You should try seeing the haxxs Kishimoto endowed to Neji to enable him wreck Lee and thats only upto 4th gate. 5th gate lee beats Neji - Gai words. Comparing Adult Sakura who dodged Kaguyas fastest attack + enormous ability in CQC fending off a human whose weaker henchmen dodged freaking BM. Naruto complimented him afterwards proving my argument. You still dont get how far above Hinata, Sakura is, which is why you keep making 'skill' arguments. Can you beat a enraging bull straight fast to you with better 'skill'? Nope. The power and speed and reflexes Sakura possesses is not a joke, so I hope you dont compare her with any war arc individual, let alone part one individuals to prove your point. You cant prove the level of difference so what yourr claiming is nothing more than assumption. You're entire argument depends on a skinny guy with better boxing skill than Muhammed Ali beating him in battle, which wont ever happen as long physics is applied. Skill is a small minute part.
Did you know chakra lackage exhausts speed + reflexes? Did you know healing requires expendage of chakra which Sakura lost to some ten thousand individuals minimum? You do know alliance contain 80,000 shinobi in total?
It seems youre low on chakra so your reflexes are dulled... - Sasuke words during Deidara fight.
lmfao @ the bold XD And I wasn't even talking about Juubi Clones lol
See? You missed your context. Naruto exhausted fell down yet you single out sakura for not dodging? Is this what we call favouritism? Sakura tired weakened.
ven assuming Sakura's speed is greater, how do you know it is enough to affect Hinata's performance? Hiashi was blitzed by the Tenseigan Puppets, yet Hinata, who is slower than him based on what we know, still matched up. Meaning she can handle opponent's in CQC even if they are faster than her in movement/running speeds.]Already addressed this, so I won't be repeating myself.
I’ve countered this arguement before, Hiashi was getting attacked by pure long-ranged energy beams and did not engage in any form of CQC with the puppets other than rotation not to mention they had killing intent , Hinata has like four puppets with no serious killing intent because they were asked to retrieve Hinata for toneri and she barely managed to escape that. The scenario’s are completely different. This is the only arguement you have to assume Hinata would land a strike?
Point proven, as this is not what I am referring to. When Hiashi's body guards are defeated, he attempts to run away (speed feat), but is caught up to by and pinned down by one puppet before others dogpile him. That's the only moment I am talking. And that shows that the puppets are faster than Hiashi, yet Hinata fought those puppets without the aid of her Byakugan in CQC.
No proof. They could have wanted to catch him alive for his Byakugan, but since he escaped, they settled for Hanabi.
Hinata has like four puppets with no serious killing intent because they were asked to retrieve Hinata for toneri and she barely managed to escape that.
Once again, no proof that the puppets had killing intent or not. We know for a fact that the Tenseigan weapon controls the puppets directly, and while Toneri can issue them orders, it doesn't mean they are always under his control, as the Byakugans within the vessel controlled Toneri when he fused them into his body, showing that the vessel, and in turn the puppets, for whatever reason, has a will of it's own. Heck, we even see the Kaguya-looking one talk on her own when Hinata and Toneri visit Hamura's temple.
All speculation aside, however, whether they have killing intent or not is irrelevant here. Naruto V Sasuke was a fight that lacked killing intent on the former's end, are you going to start discrediting Sasuke's feats here because Naruto wasn't fighting with killing intent? I doubt it.
In the same vein, Hinata still managed to fight off multiple puppets powered by Six Paths Senjutsu. Puppets that are faster than Hiashi. Puppets that had good enough reflexes, speed, and taijutsu to avoid, block, and counter some of Naruto's own taijutsu.
This is the only arguement you have to assume Hinata would land a strike?
Considering this alone is beyond anything Sakura has shown in taijutsu, hell yeah. But even then, if you want more proof, you can just reread my posts to Melanin, as I'm not going to repeat myself.
Point proven, as this is not what I am referring to. When Hiashi's body guards are defeated, he attempts to run away (speed feat), but is caught up to by and pinned down by one puppet before others dogpile him. That's the only moment I am talking. And that shows that the puppets are faster than Hiashi, yet Hinata fought those puppets without the aid of her Byakugan in CQC.
That dosen’t change anything these puppets are nothing special if you rewatch the scene where the squad splits up and Sakura and Sai go out to find Hanabi and Naruto and Shikamaru find Toneri you can see Shikamaru also fighting off those exact same puppets and his taijutsu is literally non-existent, unless you’re insinuating that Shikamaru would defeat Sakura in CQC purely based on that?
No proof. They could have wanted to catch him alive for his Byakugan, but since he escaped, they settled for Hanabi.
Once again, no proof that the puppets had killing intent or not. We know for a fact that the Tenseigan weapon controls the puppets directly, and while Toneri can issue them orders, it doesn't mean they are always under his control, as the Byakugans within the vessel controlled Toneri when he fused them into his body, showing that the vessel, and in turn the puppets, for whatever reason, has a will of it's own. Heck, we even see the Kaguya-looking one talk on her own when Hinata and Toneri visit Hamura's temple.
There was no killing intent, Toneri controls his puppets it’s not that hard to comprehend they don’t have a mind of its own and if there was any bloodlust from Toneri he would have killed her himself instead he used the puppet show to distract her so he can reel her in himself.
All speculation aside, however, whether they have killing intent or not is irrelevant here. Naruto V Sasuke was a fight that lacked killing intent on the former's end, are you going to start discrediting Sasuke's feats here because Naruto wasn't fighting with killing intent? I doubt it.
Naruto was willing to die if it meant defeating Sasuke it’s not comparable to some puppets trying to retrieve their masters future bride.
In the same vein, Hinata still managed to fight off multiple puppets powered by Six Paths Senjutsu. Puppets that are faster than Hiashi. Puppets that had good enough reflexes, speed, and taijutsu to avoid, block, and counter some of Naruto's own taijutsu.
So did Shikamaru congratulations and assuming all of Toneri’s puppets are created using Six Paths Senjutsu Sakura herself blitzed her way through a dozen of them.
That dosen’t change anything these puppets are nothing special if you rewatch the scene where the squad splits up and Sakura and Sai go out to find Hanabi and Naruto and Shikamaru find Toneri you can see Shikamaru also fighting off those exact same puppets and his taijutsu is literally non-existent, unless you’re insinuating that Shikamaru would defeat Sakura in CQC purely based on that?
That dosen’t change anything these puppets are nothing special if you rewatch the scene where the squad splits up and Sakura and Sai go out to find Hanabi and Naruto and Shikamaru find Toneri you can see Shikamaru also fighting off those exact same puppets and his taijutsu is literally non-existent, unless you’re insinuating that Shikamaru would defeat Sakura in CQC purely based on that?
You don't have proof to say So, and irrelevant as I said. Sasuke had no killing intent against Deidara but this does not dismiss Deidara's feats. Same applies to Madara vs Hashirama, Orochimaru vs Sasuke, Pain vs Naruto, and so on! Lack of killing intent or not is meaningless and does not diminish the feats displayed by Hinata.
Toneri controls his puppets it’s not that hard to comprehend
I literally proved to you they do. The tenseigan has a will of its own and this is shown when the Byakugan that took over toneri's body mind controlled him. Meaning Toneri's will and the vessels will are not the same :lol
And there is the kaguya looking puppet who outright spoke and addressed Hinata differently than Toneri. Lmao
and if there was any bloodlust from Toneri he would have killed her himself instead he used the puppet show to distract her so he can reel her in himself.
Like I said, I don't care to argue this killing intent argument as it isn't diminishing Hinata's feats, just like in any other case where one side is fighting without killing intent, like Kaguya VS Team 7 or Hiruzne VS Orochimaru. You can keep insisting otherwise but it isn't changing anything.
Naruto was willing to die if it meant defeating Sasuke it’s not comparable to some puppets trying to retrieve their masters future bride.
Naruto willing to die doesn't negate the fact that he was not fighting with killing intent. What kind of dumb argument is this lmao???
And yeah they are comparable because according to you no killing intent equals irrelevant feats.
So did Shikamaru congratulations and assuming all of Toneri’s puppets are created using Six Paths Senjutsu Sakura herself blitzed her way through a dozen of them.
Nope. Shikamaru never did that and Sakura fought maiden puppets we see are responsible for cleaning floors and serving dinner. Not the combat based puppets that Hinata fought and the ones that overwhelemd Naruto and hiashi lmao ♡♡♡
Neji is clearly capable of percieving his movements. 5th gates lee percieved by Byakugan activated Neji. Neji is a prodigy who completely mastered the arts + the chakra emittion to five metres ability which helps in sensing incoming attacks and blocking with Rotation. Hiashi and Hanabi both amazed at how powerful he was. Kakashi admitted not Sasuke even would beat him. Tenten admitted Neji defense>>>> Gaara defense and Temari thought Gaara defense is unbreakable. You should try seeing the haxxs Kishimoto endowed to Neji to enable him wreck Lee and thats only upto 4th gate. 5th gate lee beats Neji - Gai words.
No, 5th Gate Lee would be stronger than the version of Neji who fought Hinata, and that's only a possibility. The version of Neji with Rotation and 64 Palms is superior to 5th Gate Lee as well.
But we are not here to argue this, as my original point is that running/movement speed being superior does not equate to being superior in CQC. Like I said twice already, Usain Bolt isn't beating Jackie Chan in CQC just because he can run faster, as CQC involved being able to control the momentum and movement of your body, fists, and legs, as well as react accordingly. CQC and running are two very different things.
Comparing Adult Sakura who dodged Kaguyas fastest attack + enormous ability in CQC fending off a human whose weaker henchmen dodged freaking BM.
lol If we are going off of Naruto's compliments, he has called Hinata strong, yet never done so with Sakura.
You still dont get how far above Hinata, Sakura is, which is why you keep making 'skill' arguments. Can you beat a enraging bull straight fast to you with better 'skill'? Nope.
That's how humans survived in the first place. But this comparison is flaws to begin with, as due to the moments of different creatures, one require different means of combat. Sakura is not a bull anyways. She's a human who only knows how to throw a straight forward punch that has never hit a single on-guard opponent. And you want to argue that will work on someone who has Byakugan, Gentle Fist mastery, general taijutsu expertise, actual credible feats in CQC, and actual credible reaction feats in CQC? Go ahead then :lol
The power and speed and reflexes Sakura possesses is not a joke, so I hope you dont compare her with any war arc individual, let alone part one individuals to prove your point. You cant prove the level of difference so what yourr claiming is nothing more than assumption.
Power gets shut down by Gentle Fist. Power is irrelevant if she can't hit her on-guard opponent, which she has no feats of doing. Power is irrelevant when the oppnent is capable of dodging and countering.
Already explained the speed and reflexes issues, so this will be my last time repeating it. Runnin speed is irrelevant in CQC, reflexes go to Hinata as shown by 614 and The Last.
Did you know chakra lackage exhausts speed + reflexes? Did you know healing requires expendage of chakra which Sakura lost to some ten thousand individuals minimum? You do know alliance contain 80,000 shinobi in total?
Yeah, I know, but that doesn't mean Sakura was using Chakra to heal, as we literally see her do nothing but apply bandages. Is that too exhausting for her? Is that more exhausting than fighting endless Zetsus and staying up all night to keep an eye out for them?
Can we just cut the 'lols' and 'lmfaos'? Because you seem to use it when you cant deny what I said.
There's no need to deny straight up nonsensical arguments. Just gotta laugh it off.
See? You missed your context. Naruto exhausted fell down yet you single out sakura for not dodging? Is this what we call favouritism? Sakura tired weakened.
Naruto is exhausted after fighting the Ten Tails, entering Sage mode, and spamming like 5 rasenshurikens, him being tired is believable and acceptable. Now show me what Sakura had done during the 2 days of the war that would make you are ANYONE believe she is tired VS Hinata who spent those 2 days fighting nonstop in one of the most hectic parts of the battle field.
