The Pope says there is no Hell.

[Lightbringer]

Lol no, Morality is something ingrained into us, by a Greater Being.

Except it's not and many cultures have proved this statement wrong as what is considered "moral" varies between people and nations. Take the Vikings for example, who thought it was morally good to die in battle, otherwise they wouldn't be able to enter Valhalla.

And if it were ingrained into us, then we wouldn't need a bible now would we?

The very basis of religion is teaching such things are of God so you're literally claiming they wrote those books for literal time pass, and not something worthwhile.

There are hundreds of different religions and your statement means that none of them are wrong, which isn't the case.

How can it build 'itself' from thousands of years? That's like saying after said years, a rock can form into a Whole another Earth, which literally doesn't make sense. And all those religious books aren't stupid to right all that they wrote, which begs the point, something such as 'hell' might exist which can be proven by the scientific study conducted by ancients. If you're aware, certain ancient technological accessories are nearly impossible to recreate with Modern Technology. Which begs the point they clearly had more scientific backup than us so thier 'word' is obviously more credible than ours.

Learn science, that's how. I said trillions, not thousands. The specifics are more than I am willing to write, but essentially it boils down to atoms colliding and merging with one another.

There are plenty of videos and sites which can explain it better than me.

Your second point is a half-assed one and not relevant to the argument. Just because Ancient Civilizations excelled at a few things doesn't means they excelled at everything. And you completely ignored the point I raised about the Egyptian religion. Are you saying that Egyptian mythology is true? Because if you're not, then all of those examples of Ancient civilizations being enlightened about the supernatural is invalid.

Coincidently, every civilization all over the world thought, hell exists.

Plus drew and painted scenarios of what'll happen in that 'hell'.

I don't think they'd use imaginations to draw in literal dead body placing tombs. That's not a place for utilizing imagination.

Coincidentally, many religions adopted elements from other cultures. The idea of bad people being punished in the after life is not a stretch of the imagination. Every culture had some form of prison or punishment for bad people in their society. It's not ingrained into our minds, it's just a common solution to a common problem. Sprinkle the real-world practice with a religious belief that there is some form of after-life and you get Hell.

And again, your point is redundant as the depiction of Hell from various religions were different and evolved over time. For example, in Zoroastrianism, once you do you have to cross a platform to get to heaven, and if you were sinful in life, then that bridge to heaven becomes narrower to the point where it becomes a tightrope for you to cross, which still makes it possible for even the worst of sinners to get into paradise. That's pretty different than anything Christians wrote about. If there was a "true hell" then that wouldn't be the case.

Lol, that's a thing, when someone tries to practicalize each and every thing, which cannot be explained by science.

Science doesn't claim to know everything yet, religion does except it does so without proof. Science tries to explain things within the boundaries of the evidence gathered.

Trying to say that Hell is a certainty without proof and you're only argument being that science doesn't know everything is a fallacy and ignorant. As far as the evidence goes, there is no indication of a soul nor is there an afterlife of any kind. Maybe there will be discoveries in the future, but as it stands, there is absolutely no indication of there being a Hell or an afterlife.

Eqyptian Mythology have similarities to Greek, Chinese, Bible, Romans, etc cera which begs the point, all of them coincidently figured out it's secret, and gave names to what they figured out, yet what they figured out had a core similarity, and if we pick out that core similarity, then the message it delivers, is literally the same.

Which means Majority, especially ancients, who're far devoloped than us, won't spend time creating fantasies, and could be trusted with thier findings, which infers, Hell could indeed exist.

They were all cultures which interacted with one another. Rome literally adopted Greek mythology into its own culture. As I said before, many religions change over time and adopt elements from other cultures.

So what you're saying is that every ancient religion is true then, right? Because if not, then you have no argument. If the religion is not true, then their idea of Hell isn't true either. You can't just cherry-pick.

And if you actually studied Egyptian mythology, you'd know that their idea of the Underworld changed as well throughout the ages. Originally the Underworld was guarded by cats to fend off serpents and Osiris was the ruler, which in later versions of their mythology they omitted that cats guard the underworld and replaced them with Anubis and jackals. Their original creator deity was Atem who later became Amun-Ra and Ra also merged with the deity Horus to become Horakhty.

So your citation of the Egyptians being so enlightened about the afterlife neglects that they changed their religious beliefs quite significantly throughout the ages.

 

[Avani]

For example, in Hinduism, once you do you have to cross a platform to get to heaven, and if you were sinful in life, then that bridge to heaven becomes narrower to the point where it becomes a tightrope for you to cross, which still makes it possible for even the worst of sinners to get into paradise. That's pretty different than anything Christians wrote about. If there was a "true hell" then that wouldn't be the case.

That's Zoroastrianism. In Hinduism There is no special physical hell or heaven to go to. It's endless cycle of rebirths to fix your Karma, till self-realization kicks in and one is able to break the cycle to attain Moksha. So you are experiencing your share of heaven and hell right here right now.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

"disappearance" of a sinful soul, sounds more rational than burning someone for eternity. But oh well, I guess my mom and dad don't have a place to go after death, it seems. Would've enjoyed to see them burn, while laughing at them.

I'd say, just about 99% of the earth's population will disappear, by his logic. Including him.

Religion is insane.

And here is where a good portion of Dreckerplayer's issue is. The dude's superiority complex and anger, summed up in a post. Now we know, people.

OT: The pope seems to have cognitive dissonance in his faith. Sounds about right.

 

[Ōkami]

Now they can fiddle kids without fear.

 

[Lightbringer]

That's Zoroastrianism. In Hinduism There is no special physical hell or heaven to go to. It's endless cycle of rebirths to fix your Karma, till self-realization kicks in and one is able to break the cycle to attain Moksha. So you are experiencing your share of heaven and hell right here right now.

My mistake. But either way, my point still stands. It was just an example of how different the concept of the afterlife is for each religion.

 

[Uverdore9]

Except it's not and many cultures have proved this statement wrong as what is considered "moral" varies between people and nations. Take the Vikings for example, who thought it was morally good to die in battle, otherwise they wouldn't be able to enter Valhalla.

And if it were ingrained into us, then we wouldn't need a bible now would we?

No, I meant the feeling is ingrained in our mind, not that we've to compulsory slave towards said feeling. We won't live according to how we were planned to live, so we need Bible to guide us.

There are hundreds of different religions and your statement means that none of them are wrong, which isn't the case.

Exactly my point, none of them are wrong. You'll find a character like Jesus, life story, in many forms of people, in many religions, representing him. Likewise, Hell contains similarities but are represented metaphorically in different ways.

Learn science, that's how. I said trillions, not thousands. The specifics are more than I am willing to write, but essentially it boils down to atoms colliding and merging with one another.

There are plenty of videos and sites which can explain it better than me.

Your second point is a half-assed one and not relevant to the argument. Just because Ancient Civilizations excelled at a few things doesn't means they excelled at everything. And you completely ignored the point I raised about the Egyptian religion. Are you saying that Egyptian mythology is true? Because if you're not, then all of those examples of Ancient civilizations being enlightened about the supernatural is invalid.

Actually they excelled at everything in all facets known to us today. Most of thier inventions are buried by the US Government and Money Makers who don't wanna reveal these types of technology to the world.

Egyptian pyramids cannot be recreated nowadays plus, these pyramids, exact method of making, is as of yet unrevealed.

Which proves thier enlightenence and intellect superior to ours.

Every mythology is true. Because it's like water converted to ice, the source of these myths are the same, just in different forms.

Coincidentally, many religions adopted elements from other cultures. The idea of bad people being punished in the after life is not a stretch of the imagination. Every culture had some form of prison or punishment for bad people in their society. It's not ingrained into our minds, it's just a common solution to a common problem. Sprinkle the real-world practice with a religious belief that there is some form of after-life and you get Hell.

And again, your point is redundant as the depiction of Hell from various religions were different and evolved over time. For example, in Zoroastrianism, once you do you have to cross a platform to get to heaven, and if you were sinful in life, then that bridge to heaven becomes narrower to the point where it becomes a tightrope for you to cross, which still makes it possible for even the worst of sinners to get into paradise. That's pretty different than anything Christians wrote about. If there was a "true hell" then that wouldn't be the case.

It's not differemt tho.

Jacob, a character in bible, so a 'stairway' in his dream and called it the 'bridge between earth and heaven'.

Which correlates to the Zoroastraian ideology of bridge thinning when sinners walk in it as, Avani stated.

Science doesn't claim to know everything yet, religion does except it does so without proof. Science tries to explain things within the boundaries of the evidence gathered.

Which is why religious substances are 'fact' because ancients were more 'scientific' than we think they were.

Trying to say that Hell is a certainty without proof and you're only argument being that science doesn't know everything is a fallacy and ignorant. As far as the evidence goes, there is no indication of a soul nor is there an afterlife of any kind. Maybe there will be discoveries in the future, but as it stands, there is absolutely no indication of there being a Hell or an afterlife.

Bible says something about the Hell being 'Earth' itself, correlating to what Avani said, about Hinduism beliefs.

So I think the stories match with each other.

They were all cultures which interacted with one another. Rome literally adopted Greek mythology into its own culture. As I said before, many religions change over time and adopt elements from other cultures.

So what you're saying is that every ancient religion is true then, right? Because if not, then you have no argument. If the religion is not true, then their idea of Hell isn't true either. You can't just cherry-pick.

And if you actually studied Egyptian mythology, you'd know that their idea of the Underworld changed as well throughout the ages. Originally the Underworld was guarded by cats to fend off serpents and Osiris was the ruler, which in later versions of their mythology they omitted that cats guard the underworld and replaced them with Anubis and jackals. Their original creator deity was Atem who later became Amun-Ra and Ra also merged with the deity Horus to become Horakhty.

So your citation of the Egyptians being so enlightened about the afterlife neglects that they changed their religious beliefs quite significantly throughout the ages.

This part matches with the 'Trinity' belief existing in all religions.

This 'merging' is depiction of Jesus 'sitting' in 'God's right hand' as Horus has 'healing abilities' like Jesus and had 12 disciples, coinciding with what happened in Bible.

Plus, There are stories were the person representing Jesus goes to hell to rescue his 'father' in various mythology, which is why later it is replaced with Jackals, because Cats are considered 'Holy' and Godly in ancient Egypt.

They are not supposed to live in hell, but were send there for an unfair situation.

 

[Lightbringer]

No, I meant the feeling is ingrained in our mind, not that we've to compulsory slave towards said feeling. We won't live according to how we were planned to live, so we need Bible to guide us.




Exactly my point, none of them are wrong. You'll find a character like Jesus, life story, in many forms of people, in many religions, representing him. Likewise, Hell contains similarities but are represented metaphorically in different ways.







Actually they excelled at everything in all facets known to us today. Most of thier inventions are buried by the US Government and Money Makers who don't wanna reveal these types of technology to the world.

Egyptian pyramids cannot be recreated nowadays plus, these pyramids, exact method of making, is as of yet unrevealed.

Which proves thier enlightenence and intellect superior to ours.

Every mythology is true. Because it's like water converted to ice, the source of these myths are the same, just in different forms.






It's not differemt tho.

Jacob, a character in bible, so a 'stairway' in his dream and called it the 'bridge between earth and heaven'.

Which correlates to the Zoroastraian ideology of bridge thinning when sinners walk in it as, Avani stated.





Which is why religious substances are 'fact' because ancients were more 'scientific' than we think they were.



Bible says something about the Hell being 'Earth' itself, correlating to what Avani said, about Hinduism beliefs.

So I think the stories match with each other.






This part matches with the 'Trinity' belief existing in all religions.

This 'merging' is depiction of Jesus 'sitting' in 'God's right hand' as Horus has 'healing abilities' like Jesus and had 12 disciples, coinciding with what happened in Bible.

Plus, There are stories were the person representing Jesus goes to hell to rescue his 'father' in various mythology, which is why later it is replaced with Jackals, because Cats are considered 'Holy' and Godly in ancient Egypt.

They are not supposed to live in hell, but were send there for an unfair situation.

Wow is all I have to say.

I mean you'll simply keep trying to find a way to justify this nonsensical belief no matter what anyone says. You can't live without the idea of there being a God of some form of afterlife. So you fool yourself by saying that evidence is buried by the Government and romanticizing Ancient Civilizations by saying how enlightened they were about everything and how that knowledge is lost to us. You're belief is supported not by evidence, but by other over-embellished beliefs about historical civilizations and their religions. It's just downright absurd.

Instead of realizing that the human mind is able to produce similar ideas of basic concepts regardless of culture, and also that Ancient Cultures evolved and traded with others and shared ideas which were then adopted to their society and religions, you reinterpret it as there being an ingrained knowledge of there being an afterlife. All cultures were able to produce weapons and art, but does that mean that the knowledge of art and the crafting of weapons is innate? No.

Your rationalization of how Egyptian mythology changed as a direct correlation to Christianity is honestly the most ridiculous thing I've read in a long time. If that's how your mind operates, then there's nothing more for me to say. You're too far gone to think objectively.

 

[Uverdore9]

Wow is all I have to say.

I mean you'll simply keep trying to find a way to justify this nonsensical belief no matter what anyone says. You can't live without the idea of there being a God of some form of afterlife. So you fool yourself by saying that evidence is buried by the Government and romanticizing Ancient Civilizations by saying how enlightened they were about everything and how that knowledge is lost to us. You're belief is supported not by evidence, but by other over-embellished beliefs about historical civilizations and their religions. It's just downright absurd.

Instead of realizing that the human mind is able to produce similar ideas of basic concepts regardless of culture, and also that Ancient Cultures evolved and traded with others and shared ideas which were then adopted to their society and religions, you reinterpret it as there being an ingrained knowledge of there being an afterlife. All cultures were able to produce weapons and art, but does that mean that the knowledge of art and the crafting of weapons is innate? No.

Your rationalization of how Egyptian mythology changed as a direct correlation to Christianity is honestly the most ridiculous thing I've read in a long time. If that's how your mind operates, then there's nothing more for me to say. You're too far gone to think objectively.

Lol no. What I'm saying is, there's obviously something of meaning in what the ancients have spoken through writings and paintings, not blatantly saying, Hell exists lol.

I'm putting forth a suggestion.

It's because I've read various mythologies and let's say they interacted, every religion and civilization with each other, why the heck should they take a nonsensical idea and implement on thier own religion? You seem to be off the impression, ancients don't process common sense, which is false, because if that was the case, rational thinking + extraterristrial level technologies'd be far beyond thier brain could process.

They don't accept things without processing what it says, or if it makes rational sense.

About the Government hiding such inventions, I'm correct, because Nikola Tesla's free earth energy invention and it's blueprints were stolen + still kept in secrecy by the US Goverment.

Plus Unidentified Objects called Ufos are actually military officers going around nations with the saucer technology, Nikola, made blueprints for in the 90's.

 

[Lightbringer]

Lol no. What I'm saying is, there's obviously something of meaning in what the ancients have spoken through writings and paintings, not blatantly saying, Hell exists lol.

I'm putting forth a suggestion.

It's because I've read various mythologies and let's say they interacted, every religion and civilization with each other, why the heck should they take a nonsensical idea and implement on thier own religion? You seem to be off the impression, ancients don't process common sense, which is false, because if that was the case, rational thinking + extraterristrial level technologies'd be far beyond thier brain could process.

They don't accept things without processing what it says, or if it makes rational sense.

About the Government hiding such inventions, I'm correct, because Nikola Tesla's free earth energy invention and it's blueprints were stolen + still kept in secrecy by the US Goverment.

Plus Unidentified Objects called Ufos are actually military officers going around nations with the saucer technology, Nikola, made blueprints for in the 90's.

There's nothing obvious about that. You're just cherrypicking. You can't claim that all religions are right because that would directly contradict what the religions say about one another. And the fact that they share similarities isn't a work of the divine. Most cultures in history shared similarities and common practices. That doesn't mean there was any sort of godly intervention or spiritual enlightenment. Humans think alike, regardless of culture and one of the easiest ways to rationalize the world without prior knowledge of science, laws of physics, evolution, etc. is to suggest that it was created by greater beings that watch over us. You wouldn't be able to explain that the human body is made of atoms and strings of DNA and how the Sun was a ball of plasma and that color is merely the wavelengths of light that we perceive. It's a lot easier just to say there is a God beyond understanding with immeasurable power that controls all things. Let's use kids as an example, I'm sure you as a young child tried to explain certain aspects of the world which ended up being wrong as you grew up. I know when I was young, I thought you could breath in space which evidently turned out to be not true.

Religious stories are adopted for a variety of reasons. It could make a more compelling story to draw a larger audience or for religions that were spoken by word of mouth, stories got mixed into together and became part of that religion. Take the bible for example. It was a bunch of stories written in different eras of time by different people and molded into one book. Early Christians would probably not accept half of the New Testament as legitimate.

In current society, Christians accept that Christmas was the day for birth of Christ, yet Christmas itself and its traditions were taken from the Nordic Winter Festival of Yuletide which evolved after the Vikings integrated with Europeans and converted to Christianity.

 

[Nerosmoke]

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"Souls are not punished. Those who repent obtain God's forgiveness and go among the ranks of those who contemplate him, but those who do not repent and cannot be forgiven disappear. There is no hell — there is the disappearance of sinful souls." -Pope Francis

Even the Pope is skeptical of the bible.

the 2nd in line to be pope was also arresting with a truck load of little boys. of course he claims there is no hell. because the place he is going is prison love fest for a sicko like him.

 

[Professor Finesser]

And another thing,

Who does he think he is, a prophet?What would he know?

He says "smile", but I'm somewhat disappointed. Where are all the pedo popes gonna go, when they die? It's like he made that statement to make all the "sinners" feel better about death.They need to be punished, I feel sorry for none of them...then on top of that, people with common sense aren't convinced of a heaven or hell, so he's still not doing himself any justice.

And then telling them their souls are gonna disappear just because they were predisposed sounds more like an insult and a set up, more than anything. The ones in need of a "hell" are the one's who choose to do wrong on a "whim".Those are the most evil kind of people on this planet.

I think being a "pope" is just a bypass for undercover pedophiles, like drug trafficking.

Punished for eternity? Really? I wouldn't wish that on anyone, not even Hitler. No its more insane to believe anyone deserves to be in constant pain and suffering for all of FOREVER for something that happened in such a small lifetime. Even with Hitler I think he should only get like a couple hundred years at most of suffering. There's gotta be a point where enough is enough.

 

[Edogawa]

That is just what the media page says. There is not a single clip of him that I know of where he says that quotes. Media outlets are well known to make up quotations or distort them for attention objectives.

Anyway, the Pope is just a swine. No one actually cares about what he says these days . All he cares about is maintaining a good reputation of himself amongst liberal population, and he'll violate his own principles just for sake of liberals praising his hypocritical stance on left wing policies, even when his belief clearly is against it.

I myself have faith in heaven and hell. It's far better to believe and prepare for hereafter when you discover it's true after you die than not to believe and not prepare for them after you die.

 

[Lightbringer]

That is just what the media page says. There is not a single clip of him that I know of where he says that quotes. Media outlets are well known to make up quotations or distort them for attention objectives.

Anyway, the Pope is just a swine. No one actually cares about what he says these days . All he cares about is maintaining a good reputation of himself amongst liberal population, and he'll violate his own principles just for sake of liberals praising his hypocritical stance on left wing policies, even when his belief clearly is against it.

I myself have faith in heaven and hell. It's far better to believe and prepare for hereafter when you discover it's true after you die than not to believe and not prepare for them after you die.

Wow, that's kinda like how the vast majority of the bible is not supported by scientific or archaeological evidence, but you still believe in it. Hmm, interesting double standard.

How do you know what the Pope cares about? It's interesting how your first statement asks for evidence, yet your second statement is nothing but assumption.

So you only believe in Hell and are abiding religious views out of fear? That's pretty selfish and exactly proves a point about how religion propagates fear in order to maintain power and influence. If don't do x and y, then you are damned for eternity. You must fear God and abide by his law which the Church interprets for you.

And what happens if you choose the wrong religion, and you die and it turns out that the Judaic Hell was not the real hell, but you instead were damned because of the religious standards from another belief?

 

[Edogawa]

Wow, that's kinda like how the vast majority of the bible is not supported by scientific or archaeological evidence, but you still believe in it. Hmm, interesting double standard.

How do you know what the Pope cares about? It's interesting how your first statement asks for evidence, yet your second statement is nothing but assumption.

So you only believe in Hell and are abiding religious views out of fear? That's pretty selfish and exactly proves a point about how religion propagates fear in order to maintain power and influence. If don't do x and y, then you are damned for eternity. You must fear God and abide by his law which the Church interprets for you.

And what happens if you choose the wrong religion, and you die and it turns out that the Judaic Hell was not the real hell, but you instead were damned because of the religious standards from another belief?

Actually, there are things in bible supported by scientific research, but this thread isn't about science and I'm not about to turn into one. It's funny how you stray off topic.

Hypocrisy is prevalent among people with political power. Pope is no different. He supports things which clearly are in violation with his ideology all for purpose of great reputation. That sounds like hypocrisy.

You're mixing and twisting things out of ignorance. Firstly, you assume things about me when you don't know anything about me. Secondly, I don't know who goes to hell and who doesn't, nor do I claim so. But what I do believe in out of my personal faith is that there is eternal destination after life, and you're free if you don't want to. And finally, I don't need religious institutions to interpret things for me, when I'm able to do that myself.

At least I've got nothing to lose after I die discovering hereafter is true and I've prepared for it, unlike dying refusing to believe and prepare for it, when discovering hereafter is true where you lose everything.

 

[Punk Hazard]

2018 edition of the bible? Who wrote this one, Johnson?

Nowhere in the Bible is the word or even concept of Hell mentioned.

 

[Mori Jin]

Nowhere in the Bible is the word or even concept of Hell mentioned.

Probably taken out or left out in the new editions. I wonder what else they'll take out.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Probably taken out or left out in the new editions. I wonder what else they'll take out.

No, never included in the first place. The word used to describe death in the Bible is "Sheol," which is a general term for death and isn't in reference to any place. The Bible makes no mention of the concept of an afterlife or souls leaving the human body to go anywhere.

 

[Mori Jin]

No, never included in the first place. The word used to describe death in the Bible is "Sheol," which is a general term for death and isn't in reference to any place. The Bible makes no mention of the concept of an afterlife or souls leaving the human body to go anywhere.

Ah well I ain't going to claim to be an expert on Christianity. But okay.

 

[Lightbringer]

Actually, there are things in bible supported by scientific research, but this thread isn't about science and I'm not about to turn into one. It's funny how you stray off topic.

Not really,no. All that's supported is people's reinterpretation of vague passages to align with a scientific narrative. Like when people try to reinterpret the world being created in 6 days as billions of years.

Most of the bible is not supported by scientific evidence.

Hypocrisy is prevalent among people with political power. Pope is no different. He supports things which clearly are in violation with his ideology all for purpose of great reputation. That sounds like hypocrisy.

How do you come to that conclusion? Pretty sure supporting things that are violating his ideology would hurt his reputation, not strengthen it.

How do you know that what he's saying is not his own genuine belief?

You're mixing and twisting things out of ignorance. Firstly, you assume things about me when you don't know anything about me. Secondly, I don't know who goes to hell and who doesn't, nor do I claim so. But what I do believe in out of my personal faith is that there is eternal destination after life, and you're free if you don't want to. And finally, I don't need religious institutions to interpret things for me, when I'm able to do that myself.

But you were just assuming and twisting things about the Pope and you were defending religion and I simply pressed you on what you said.

Even in Christianity, there's different sects. There's protestant, catholic, evangelical, Lutheran, etc. Each of them claim that they're interpretation of the Bible is the correct one, otherwise you go to Hell preaching the wrong interpretation is a sin that damns your soul.

So how do you even know your own interpretation is the right one? Even if you claim to be Christian and following the Bible, for all you know, you're still going to be damned because you refused to be believe in the true words of the Bible and instead followed your own.

It's just an endless cycle of trying to convince you of you who you should follow in order to save your soul. Religion and fear of Hell is a tool in order to coerce you into submission.

At least I've got nothing to lose after I die discovering hereafter is true and I've prepared for it, unlike dying refusing to believe and prepare for it, when discovering hereafter is true where you lose everything.

Yes you do. You have your life to lose.

It'd be tragic if you've prepared and sacrificed your life over nothing. What if there is no Hell or afterlife? You then just wasted the one chance you had at life preparing for something that doesn't exist and abiding by laws which turned out to be nothing but mumbo jumbo. As an example, Isaac Newton was a devout Christian and he believed that if he never had any sort of intimate relationship with women, then he'd be closer to God in heaven. But for all we know, he's just dust under the dirt and whatever pleasures he abstained from and the pain he caused himself in devotion to his religion was all for naught. You have people from every religion doing crazy things for something that might end up being a waste of time and offering up no reward.

 

[Edogawa]

Not really,no. All that's supported is people's reinterpretation of vague passages to align with a scientific narrative. Like when people try to reinterpret the world being created in 6 days as billions of years.

Most of the bible is not supported by scientific evidence.

Science is not your area of expertise so I don't need your opinion.

How do you come to that conclusion? Pretty sure supporting things that are violating his ideology would hurt his reputation, not strengthen it.

How do you know that what he's saying is not his own genuine belief?

Social conservatism in Europe is weak. That's why when supports social liberalism, when the bible explicitly disagrees with it, his support from liberals (who make up the majority) strengthen. This is why he's a hypocrite.

Yes you do. You have your life to lose.

Everything in the universe will die, so there is no loss.

It'd be tragic if you've prepared and sacrificed your life over nothing. What if there is no Hell or afterlife? You then just wasted the one chance you had at life preparing for something that doesn't exist and abiding by laws which turned out to be nothing but mumbo jumbo. As an example, Isaac Newton was a devout Christian and he believed that if he never had any sort of intimate relationship with women, then he'd be closer to God in heaven. But for all we know, he's just dust under the dirt and whatever pleasures he abstained from and the pain he caused himself in devotion to his religion was all for naught. You have people from every religion doing crazy things for something that might end up being a waste of time and offering up no reward.

You ask: What if there is no hereafter? And I'll ask you: What if there is hereafter?

If there is no hereafter, then this goes to my answer above that I had nothing to lose, because I will basically turn into nothingness, so there is absence of feelings and emotions and regret. If there is hereafter, then I also had nothing to lose since I will live in pleasure too. Can't say the same for people who deny hereafter. In the end, either if there was hereafter or not, I'll be the winner.

You've got a narrow view of life. Everybody can enjoy life in how they see it. Even Isaac Newton from his personal perspective enjoyed his life, even if what he viewed enjoyment differs from your own. You may think enjoying life is about drinking, smoking weed and having *** with different girls, which is all fine if it's your opinion, but other people can enjoy life in different ways, even if may seem weird to you. Not everyone has your views and not everyone has mine either, but I could care less.

Warren Buffet spends 85% of his day reading books; it can seem he's not enjoying life to others, but from his own perspective, this is what he finds pleasure in. Once again, Lightbringer, you don't need to smoke weed, party, *** and all that in order to find joy in life. Anyone can find joy in their lives in how they see fit.

Not a single thing can physically prove that there is hereafter, but the only way to know is when we die. You have your faith and I have mine. if I'm right that there is hereafter, then I have nothing to lose and if you're right there is no hereafter, then I also have nothing to lose. Can't say the same about you, though. If there is hereafter, you're going to live in eternal punishments and regrets for living denial your whole life.