do byakugu stand a chance against teh powers of Byakugan????..

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

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are you saying that he could've maintained his curse seal even in such a state?


Sasuke had to drop his as well when he almost depleted his chakra against Itachi

If his tenketsu got sealed, how would he use his chakra? Neji tried to seal them at the beginning of the fight but kodomaru blocked it. Not that time. If the chakra in his seal isn't great enough to open the chakra points then obvious outcome is he can't use chakra.

 

[Darth Natsu Shazneel]

������������ Well played. I got the image a long time ago. Can't remember where I found it.

Hopefully not from Drake’s latest album.

 

[Darth Natsu Shazneel]

Zatshu narth dzeel...but rastapasta is alone arguing agaisnt 10 byakugan fans....not fair..

Oh it requires one to beat that one. Its usually a class on what something is. Never really a debate. If you wanna beat Rasta just use the dictionary. 9 out of 10 times you will win.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

If his tenketsu got sealed, how would he use his chakra? Neji tried to seal them at the beginning of the fight but kodomaru blocked it. Not that time. If the chakra in his seal isn't great enough to open the chakra points then obvious outcome is he can't use chakra.

his golden armour

something not made out of chakra protected him for the first time, likely he could also use it for a certain time, hence why after that he kept his distance instead of taking a risk against Neji at a mid to close range


regardless his curse seal like the byakugou is a seal that adds a chakra bonus to the user to which if the points of his body are sealed it prevented him from accessing it

 

[Jinrou]

Neji shut off the chakra points in Hinata's arms only. Her remaining chakra points were untouched meaning she could channel all the chakra she had in her body and make it pool at the arms to somehow open the blocked points but it never happened as she continued to fight Gentle fist-less. That suggests to me at least that regular chakra might not be able to do what Kurama's did for Naruto.

Yes.. Hinata (Juubi spawn) and Himawari (Kurama didn't have the safety of a seal hence why Naruto was out for a whole day as it implies Kurama was hit as well) have locked tailed beast type chakra.. but i see it in a way like.. if X has closed points and Y channels regular chakra into X (cancelling genjutsu style) the points won't reopen but if Y channels tailed beast chakra, the points would open.

At least that's my interpretation.. I could be wrong though.

 

[UnderTheRedHood]

So much for CES can't be parried lmao.

Byakugo can't open Chakra points anyways. Where does this argument even come from?

Byakugo is released from brain/forehead - chakra points have nothing to do with Byakugo

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

his golden armour

something not made out of chakra protected him for the first time, likely he could also use it for a certain time, hence why after that he kept his distance instead of taking a risk against Neji at a mid to close range


regardless his curse seal like the byakugou is a seal that adds a chakra bonus to the user to which if the points of his body are sealed it prevented him from accessing it

The difference between Byakugou and cursed seal is level of chakra. Manga says a great amount of chakra would be needed to force the points open. So kodomaru would have needed to muster up that amount of chakra to force the chakra points open. He's been fighting for a bit, was tired and injured. Was never going to pull anywhere as much chakra out of that seal as Naruto did to open his.

Byakugou already naturally has much more chakra since it's three years worth. So as long as the chakra isn't significantly depleted there is a big difference between kodomaru there and this hypothetical Byakugou user scenario

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Neji shut off the chakra points in Hinata's arms only. Her remaining chakra points were untouched meaning she could channel all the chakra she had in her body and make it pool at the arms to somehow open the blocked points but it never happened as she continued to fight Gentle fist-less. That suggests to me at least that regular chakra might not be able to do what Kurama's did for Naruto.

Yes.. Hinata (Juubi spawn) and Himawari (Kurama didn't have the safety of a seal hence why Naruto was out for a whole day as it implies Kurama was hit as well) have locked tailed beast type chakra.. but i see it in a way like.. if X has closed points and Y channels regular chakra into X (cancelling genjutsu style) the points won't reopen but if Y channels tailed beast chakra, the points would open.

At least that's my interpretation.. I could be wrong though.

Technically hinata could not do 64 palms so I don't think she had the ability to open and shut tenketsu then. She could probably do it now put in the same scenario.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

Byakugou user opens seal to re-open chakra points but once they open the seal Byakugan user simply needs to close them again and this time Byakugou users are helpless. Someone like Hanabi and Neji should be able to do this.

 

[Exaar]

The difference between Byakugou and cursed seal is level of chakra. Manga says a great amount of chakra would be needed to force the points open. So kodomaru would have needed to muster up that amount of chakra to force the chakra points open. He's been fighting for a bit, was tired and injured. Was never going to pull anywhere as much chakra out of that seal as Naruto did to open his.

Byakugou already naturally has much more chakra since it's three years worth. So as long as the chakra isn't significantly depleted there is a big difference between kodomaru there and this hypothetical Byakugou user scenario

Again, Your ignoringt the control element.

If your network is shut down, How are they going to control such large amounts of chakra to do it in the first place?.

They haven't gotten a living chakra enity inside them to ask for chakra like naruto did

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[Melanin]

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Again CES is applied for the lifting

I said that first.

now you are basically going on about if they have natural strength or not

When did I do that again? I just said the CES can amplify strengths in every degree.

You must be reading another qoute.

idk why you are jumping from one random point to the next

Nope I've stayed consistent, nice try.

I've been repeating the same things over & over.

CES amplifies more then just kicks and punches.

The Yin Seal stores charka.

Your losing the argument and now your diverting.

A) NO WHERE WAS IT MENTIONED TO BE EXTERNAL = basing the assumption of it being so is opinion

I'm not assuming anything, I'm using my brain and your not.

When you seal something away it becomes external from what it was apart of, its not a puzzle.

it's common sense.

B) NO WHERE DID CES showcase being applied from anywhere else but the feet and hands... AGAIN you can even make fanfic about muscles but that isn't CES

read the databook!

Translation:

It would seem Tsunade’s “outrageous strength” completely ignores the laws of nature!! The challenge to common sense that is her power is due in no small part to her artful chakra control and fine-tuning. To give things a name, by instantly collecting chakra into her fist and fingers, she obtains a power of destruction bodily strength alone cannot achieve.

One finger, and Naruto cannot close in on her. And she can handle Gamabunta’s huge dosu** with absurd ease…?!
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-Here’s to a painful and bitter end! Such is Tsunade-hime’s insane, “Legendary”, power!!

This all goes back to chakra control; to enhance your OVERALL strength massively. Not just your brute strength. Nowhere in the manga nor the databooks was it stated Tsunade had immense NATURAL strength. It was always stated to be the result of chakra control.

 

[Jinrou]

Technically hinata could not do 64 palms so I don't think she had the ability to open and shut tenketsu then. She could probably do it now put in the same scenario.

I know... but i'm referring more to the large amount of chakra reopens the points... point. Granted p1 Hinata doesn't have large chakra reserves but i would think if the aforementioned could work, then it should have worked with Hinata as well as she didn't know her chakra points were blocked and she continued trying to use GF meaning the chakra pooled at the closed points but it didn't pry them open.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Again, Your ignoringt the control element.

If your network is shut down, How are they going to control such large amounts of chakra to do it in the first place?.

They haven't gotten a living chakra enity inside them to ask for chakra like naruto did

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I was answering what he said. It's different. But to answer you I'd need to know your believe because I don't want to argue all night. Do you think Byakugou is a chakra point? Is it a random point in the chakra network? Or is it outside the chakra network?

 

[Joshutsu]

i'm surprised people in support of byakugo are arguing this again. We already won years ago. I applaud you all for reminding them though. I will not participate this time but i dont even need to XD

 

[Reviewing Logic]

The difference between Byakugou and cursed seal is level of chakra. Manga says a great amount of chakra would be needed to force the points open. So kodomaru would have needed to muster up that amount of chakra to force the chakra points open. He's been fighting for a bit, was tired and injured. Was never going to pull anywhere as much chakra out of that seal as Naruto did to open his.

Byakugou already naturally has much more chakra since it's three years worth. So as long as the chakra isn't significantly depleted there is a big difference between kodomaru there and this hypothetical Byakugou user scenario

and again GF can be scaled as well as shown via Himawari

 

[Exaar]

I was answering what he said. It's different. But to answer you I'd need to know your believe because I don't want to argue all night. Do you think Byakugou is a chakra point? Is it a random point in the chakra network? Or is it outside the chakra network?

Hard to tell but i'd assume yes but that's irrelevant.

Regardless of if it's connected or not, it still needs a network to be molded for what ever use it's being used for, be it Healing or CES or anything else.

 

[lndra]

I guess it depends on the user for both.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Hard to tell but i'd assume yes but that's irrelevant.

Regardless of if it's connected or not, it still needs a network to be molded for what ever use it's being used for, be it Healing or CES or anything else.

There is a difference. But ultimately this is talking about opening tenketsu not doing Jutsu. 64 palms blocks 64 chakra points on the chakra network. The chakra network is not completely useless. There are over 300 chakra points on the network. The hyuuga technique just blocks the most vital ones for Jutsu and chakra molding. Now if Byakugou was a chakra point or any point in the chakra network, she opens it where does that chakra go, it would flow in the chakra network till it inevitably gets to the next closed point stopping it's flow. Byakugou users can regulate the amount of chakra the take from this single point so all she has to do is force a large amount out. If it's on the chakra network it simply flows and forces the closed points open.

 

[Melanin]

lol you just solo'd yourself

what have I been saying all this time

storing chakra like a bank

I never contradicted your analogy or challenged it and I even gave one of my own.

You say it's like storing only in a bank.

I said it's like drawing blood from your body to a bag.

Both analogies in no way contradict the other, the only thing I'm soloing is your arguments.

now back on topic.. you said that Tsuande nor manga has said that the chakra was sealed and you posted a mistranslation too.

she never said sealed away or implied it was external to her like the Jin seal

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Shuzine said to Tsunade, "don't release the seal" so wouldn't that mean Tsunade would have to have a seal in order for shizune to ask her not to open it? lol your not this dumb.

you ended your spin of byakguou and CES

I've done no such thing, I did however solo you in this argument.

I posted facts that back up everything I've stated and it's time for you to admit defeat.

You said Tsunade/Sakura can only enhanced their strength in two way, their fist and feet right? I jus posted a DB that says Tsunade lifted a giant sword with her artful chakra control and fine-tuning.

You also said the the chakra in the byakugou seal isn't sealed charka XD

^^^^you lost are creditability there.

again where does it say it is external?

do you see where it says stored?

Then released?

The fact that the chakra is released into their body means where ever it's coming from is external.

Also read up what CES is and how it is used again since you think it can apparently enhance muscle body strength

no you read up!

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Translation:

It would seem Tsunade’s “outrageous strength” completely ignores the laws of nature!! The challenge to common sense that is her power is due in no small part to her artful chakra control and fine-tuning. To give things a name, by instantly collecting chakra into her fist and fingers, she obtains a power of destruction bodily strength alone cannot achieve.





One finger, and Naruto cannot close in on her. And she can handle Gamabunta’s huge dosu** with absurd ease…?!


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-Here’s to a painful and bitter end! Such is Tsunade-hime’s insane, “Legendary”, power!!

 

[Made in Heaven]

If his tenketsu got sealed, how would he use his chakra? Neji tried to seal them at the beginning of the fight but kodomaru blocked it. Not that time. If the chakra in his seal isn't great enough to open the chakra points then obvious outcome is he can't use chakra.

Because of his golden armor, genius. When Neji hit his Tenketsu afterwards, Kidomaru's chakra stopped flowing and his seal deactivated.

Now I want you to tell me something. What is more similar to the Byakugo Seal? A Cursed Seal or a sentient creature?

The difference between Byakugou and cursed seal is level of chakra. Manga says a great amount of chakra would be needed to force the points open. So kodomaru would have needed to muster up that amount of chakra to force the chakra points open. He's been fighting for a bit, was tired and injured. Was never going to pull anywhere as much chakra out of that seal as Naruto did to open his.

Byakugou already naturally has much more chakra since it's three years worth. So as long as the chakra isn't significantly depleted there is a big difference between kodomaru there and this hypothetical Byakugou user scenario

Bold is bullshit you made up with no proof. Hinata blocked points on a Juubi clone who has bijuu chakra, so the level of chakra is irrelevant. Himawari also did the same to Naruto

Where was it said Chakra Points can be opened with a great amount of Chakra? Hope this isn't more BS.

The manga does say a lot of chakra is needed to reopen the points, but that doesn't equate to Yin Seal being able to function when the chakra points are closed. Until you can show that Yin Seal can function with closed chakra points, you have no leg to stand on.

In fact, Sasuke had his Chakra point closed despite having a Six Paths Seal sending Six Paths Chakra through his body

i'm surprised people in support of byakugo are arguing this again. We already won years ago. I applaud you all for reminding them though. I will not participate this time but i dont even need to XD

Imagine being so delusional like this guy to claim victory without having a scan of a chakra seal being able to counter Gentle Fist to this very day, instead having to rely on equating a sentient being with a seal lmao.