[VS] Minato and Hashirama vs Itachi and Madara

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He ain't. And he's right. When they fought again later in the war, they stalemated. The same Hashirama against a far stronger Madara stalemated. Obito's statement doesn't prove much either. If Madara was really holding back, there would be no reason for him to bring Kurama into it.
Kyuubi was a negative for him in the battle. Considering how Minato said Obito wouldnt be able to control the kyuubi for a lot of time; Obito held back greatly against Minato because of the struggle to control the kyuubi as he said "I underestimated him" in the end; proving a massive amount of concentration should be passed onto the Kyuubi to maintain control over it. Which made the fight an advantage for Hashirama.
 

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He literally states that Hashirama could stop him. A far stronger Madara than his EMS self states that. That in itself should put this argument to rest.

Not to mention, I'd really like to see some proof that the Susanoo armor in Kurama is in any way superior to a PS's resistant.
In the terms of Madara’s words in that manga scan; It should be noted that Hashirama had to use Sage mode frequently to stop Madara; which is why Madara brought the Kyuubi to the battle was to compensate for his HUGELY lacking chakra reserves. Remember, that was a full 100% Kurama on that battlefield.

Anyway, when Madara And Hashirama fought at their last battle (non-edo), Madara planned the entire scenario and it went without a hitch. From exhausting Hashirama’s sage mode, to removing their avatars from the equation and finally to getting close enough to the real Hashirama to obtain his DNA. So, it can be assumed that Madara didn’t really have killing intent at that moment and wasn’t using the kyuubi as well as he could’ve. We’ve seen how Madara likes to play recklessly when he has a plan as demonstrated in the war arc.
 

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Kyuubi was a negative for him in the battle. Considering how Minato said Obito wouldnt be able to control the kyuubi for a lot of time; Obito held back greatly against Minato because of the struggle to control the kyuubi as he said "I underestimated him" in the end; proving a massive amount of concentration should be passed onto the Kyuubi to maintain control over it. Which made the fight an advantage for Hashirama.
I think having a Bijuu seemingly stronger than the other eight others together is well worth some chakra drain on Madara's massive reserves. The disadvantages don't outweigh the benefits. And if it was, there would make no sense for Madara to bring it into battle, let alone if he was holding back.
 

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In the terms of Madara’s words in that manga scan; It should be noted that Hashirama had to use Sage mode frequently to stop Madara; which is why Madara brought the Kyuubi to the battle was to compensate for his HUGELY lacking chakra reserves. Remember, that was a full 100% Kurama on that battlefield.

Anyway, when Madara And Hashirama fought at their last battle (non-edo), Madara planned the entire scenario and it went without a hitch. From exhausting Hashirama’s sage mode, to removing their avatars from the equation and finally to getting close enough to the real Hashirama to obtain his DNA. So, it can be assumed that Madara didn’t really have killing intent at that moment and wasn’t using the kyuubi as well as he could’ve. We’ve seen how Madara likes to play recklessly when he has a plan as demonstrated in the war arc.
That doesn't mean he's Hashiarma's equal. Hell, Hashirama seemed not to change in strength at all during all that time, and yet he was able to stalemate Edo Madara in battle, that by itself should be enough to show their difference in strength.
 

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No, for saying Minato can take Madara.
What can Madara actually do to a guy who can literally teleport out of any damage Madara can ever dish out? Also i am actually assuming that this madara doesn't has rinnegan for use. And another reason why Madara would probably lose is that he doesn't have sensing capability to survive FTG slash(though if he uses Susanoo from start its difficult to say) overall Minato could even teloport Susanoo upper portion like he did to Kurama's Bijudama.
 

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What can Madara actually do to a guy who can literally teleport out of any damage Madara can ever dish out? Also i am actually assuming that this madara doesn't has rinnegan for use. And another reason why Madara would probably lose is that he doesn't have sensing capability to survive FTG slash(though if he uses Susanoo from start its difficult to say) overall Minato could even teloport Susanoo upper portion like he did to Kurama's Bijudama.
Lmfao what? Minato can only teleport to where his Kunai is thrown or to where he’s marked. Madara has displayed the sensory ability to sense chakra from villages away, and the same has been shown from Hashirama. Madara’s reaction time is impeccable as displayed when TTJ Madara flawlessly countered Minato’s and Kakashi’s joint effort at blitzing him, this blitzing them instead. The real question is what does Minato have to take down Madara? Madara who was only capable of being stopped by Hashirama?
 

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With Minato's feat teleporting Flash Jubi TBB (strongest attack in NV), he could beat Hashirama and Madara at the same time. Itachi is a non-factor as always.
 

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I think having a Bijuu seemingly stronger than the other eight others together is well worth some chakra drain on Madara's massive reserves. The disadvantages don't outweigh the benefits. And if it was, there would make no sense for Madara to bring it into battle, let alone if he was holding back.
Obito was weakened against minato so madara should also be weakened it's common knowledge really. The weakening is too much; not ordinary. When you concentrate on something else you cannot connect your attacks in the right manner. Hashirama had full concentration in his attacks. Madara didnt even stay away far from hashirama to shoot bijuu dama from a distance. It's clear he was holding back. You're forgetting what madara said "This perfect susanoo has the power comparable to bijuu" he didnt say kyuubi; meaning Perfect one is equal to all the bijuu in power; nearly.
 

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Obito was weakened against minato so madara should also be weakened it's common knowledge really. The weakening is too much; not ordinary. When you concentrate on something else you cannot connect your attacks in the right manner. Hashirama had full concentration in his attacks. Madara didnt even stay away far from hashirama to shoot bijuu dama from a distance. It's clear he was holding back. You're forgetting what madara said "This perfect susanoo has the power comparable to bijuu" he didnt say kyuubi; meaning Perfect one is equal to all the bijuu in power; nearly.
Perfect susanoo is equal to the jubi now lol **** outta here boy
 

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Lmfao what? Minato can only teleport to where his Kunai is thrown or to where he’s marked. Madara has displayed the sensory ability to sense chakra from villages away, and the same has been shown from Hashirama. Madara’s reaction time is impeccable as displayed when TTJ Madara flawlessly countered Minato’s and Kakashi’s joint effort at blitzing him, this blitzing them instead. The real question is what does Minato have to take down Madara? Madara who was only capable of being stopped by Hashirama?
Yep but he never dodged the slash in EMS. Neither is his sensory ability better than TTJ or SM. If you can prove his sensory ability is better only than it counts. Also Raikage in their fight proves himself faster in their fight. Than think what are is his odds against Minato.
 

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First of all, intel matters a lot lol but that's fine. I'll assume they have detailed intel. This is sort of tricky. In my mind, Hashirama > Madara, not by a whole lot, but he has beaten him before (don't try and say he was holding back, Kishi drew those panels of them fighting way before he even thought of making the Susano'o probably, and even so, it's hard to believe he was holding back against his favorite person to fight, besides the fact that he just loves fighting so much), and Itachi > Minato, but probably not by that much. It's always tricky to debate when Itachi is involved, because most characters don't have an answer to MS genjutsu, specifically Tsukuyomi. Tsukuyomi is short range, which is obviously the best case scenario when compared to it having a longer range, but it also means that Minato can't approach Itachi, unless Itachi refuses to use it on Minato, understanding that he is less of a thread than Hashi. In that case, Minato could separate Itachi from Madara and Hashi, purposefully keeping him out of short range of his partner. Itachi would obviously understand the strategy, and he might very well try and use his Susano'o to try and get back to within range, or simply use Tsukuyomi on Minato. If he were to use it, it would be a while before he could use it again, as it strains his eye significantly and costs a lot of chakra, something that Itachi does not have the luxury of freely wasting. In the case that Itachi uses Susano'o, Minato could easily dodge the Totska Sword with his Space Time jutsus, and potentially push him back with Kurama. Assuming Minato does his job of keeping Itachi away from Hashirama, the team of Hokages should win.

As a side note, I think that Madara wouldn't let Itachi join in against Hashirama (if he was physically able to) if he successfully dealt with Minato.
 
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