People in part1 that can defeat 5g Lee in straight up Taijutsu?

[To Whatever]

LOL At everyone mentioning Neji. Pretty sure neji gets mauled. Where would you rank Lee's speed from base with the addition of each and every gate , genin to jonin? Combat speedwise.

Considering Sasuke became chunin level only after gaining Lee's speed it's safe to say weightless lee is chunin level speedwise?Kimimaro considered drunken lee super fast and the 1st gate by all means should give a much bigger combat speed boost than being drunk , Neji was chunin. Kimimaro's reaction is jonin level and he would comfortably neg 1st Gate Lee in taijutsu if prelims neji could. But if he considered drunken lee too fast it's more than likely he'd have big problems with 5th Gate Lee.

Base Gai Vs 5th Gate Lee would be a interesting watch.

Neji and Sasuke loses. Lee is kage level

 

[Umari Senju]

Gaara and maybe Sauce after Kakashi trains him....MAYBE. that is all

Don’t sleep on Gaara. Even while Lee was moving around at that speed he still managed to stay focused enough to erect that sand shell around his body to absorb the hits and spot a momentary flinch of pain when Lee tagged him and proceeded to Sand clone himself away and retaliate for the win.

Only strong possibility in my mind is Gaara.

Neji? No. He and everyone thought he would win BEFORE he showed them the Inner gates in the CE. Neji himself was shocked to see lee go all out like that. Even noted that he didn’t know lee had a tech like that.

Oops you said Taijutsu.....

Gai, Kakashi, Hiruzen :snick:

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Only top tier Jonin. The fact Kimamaru noted Lee was fast already puts his speed stats way above the others. He's a green beam of light sporadically shooting across the field when he's fighting low tiers and they get blitzed out right, and Neji isn't exempted from that.

 

[Uverdore9]

Gai claimed Neji's defeat comes upon using the 5th gate. Kimimaro could but he also has a chance of being defeated. CS2 Sasuke and Naruto Nine Tails mode and Kakashi and Gai.

 

[Jinrou]

LOL At everyone mentioning Neji. Pretty sure neji gets mauled. Where would you rank Lee's speed from base with the addition of each and every gate , genin to jonin? Combat speedwise.

Haha.. But Lee only being able to defeat Neji in his dreams suggests reverse lotus which involves continuous high speed attacks was the only way he could defeat him meaning even with 5G only, he didn't think he would be able to still take on Neji and win?

That's the way i interpret it lol.. but yeah, its still hard to see how Neji contends with 5G taijutsu xD

Considering Sasuke became chunin level only after gaining Lee's speed it's safe to say weightless lee is chunin level speedwise?Kimimaro considered drunken lee super fast and the 1st gate by all means should give a much bigger combat speed boost than being drunk , Neji was chunin. Kimimaro's reaction is jonin level and he would comfortably neg 1st Gate Lee in taijutsu if prelims neji could. But if he considered drunken lee too fast it's more than likely he'd have big problems with 5th Gate Lee.

Base Gai Vs 5th Gate Lee would be a interesting watch.

What makes it for certain Kimi's reactions are Jonin level? Because Gai was able to follow Lee through the entirety of the fight with Gaara. Kakashi would have been able to also btw .. I think he only opened the Sharingan to copy how Lee opened the gates because we see him later opening a gate in that rock climbing stuff?

Either way, the vanishing from sight thing from that fight was only applicable to the Genin.. Jonin like Gai and Kakashi had no trouble following him even up till 5G so other Jonin would have no trouble following him either is my guess. Except you think p1 5G Lee would be able to blitz Asuma, Kurenai and the rest?

 

[salamander uchiha]

LOL At everyone mentioning Neji. Pretty sure neji gets mauled. Where would you rank Lee's speed from base with the addition of each and every gate , genin to jonin? Combat speedwise.

Considering Sasuke became chunin level only after gaining Lee's speed it's safe to say weightless lee is chunin level speedwise?Kimimaro considered drunken lee super fast and the 1st gate by all means should give a much bigger combat speed boost than being drunk , Neji was chunin. Kimimaro's reaction is jonin level and he would comfortably neg 1st Gate Lee in taijutsu if prelims neji could. But if he considered drunken lee too fast it's more than likely he'd have big problems with 5th Gate Lee.

Base Gai Vs 5th Gate Lee would be a interesting watch.

Your probably one of the very few Hyuga fans like myself who isn't biased because of favouritism. You bring good and valid points as always.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Neji is the first one to come to mind.

 

[Guntah]

Kimimaro with his curse mark could pull it off.

 

[neosmith500]

Haha.. But Lee only being able to defeat Neji in his dreams suggests reverse lotus which involves continuous high speed attacks was the only way he could defeat him meaning even with 5G only, he didn't think he would be able to still take on Neji and win?

That's the way i interpret it lol.. but yeah, its still hard to see how Neji contends with 5G taijutsu xD

Lee said he always dreamed of beating neji , not that he could only beat him in his dreams. Lee seemed pretty confident that he would've taken neji and neji's reaction to seeing his combat speed cements the notion of neji getting spanked in Taijutsu "neg diff" without him even being able to "touch" lee , which i think was the whole point of the Gates.

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What makes it for certain Kimi's reactions are Jonin level? Because Gai was able to follow Lee through the entirety of the fight with Gaara. Kakashi would have been able to also btw .. I think he only opened the Sharingan to copy how Lee opened the gates because we see him later opening a gate in that rock climbing stuff?

Either way, the vanishing from sight thing from that fight was only applicable to the Genin.. Jonin like Gai and Kakashi had no trouble following him even up till 5G so other Jonin would have no trouble following him either is my guess. Except you think p1 5G Lee would be able to blitz Asuma, Kurenai and the rest?

Well because Sasuke was only noted as chunin level after gaining lee's speed level and people like Neji were already considered chunin level. So their reactions should be in the higher tiers of chunin level. Add the sound4 who were also chunin level physically then use Kimimaro to scale up and it leads me to think his reactions were indeed jonin level as his reaction and combat speed are tiers above CE Neji , Sasuke and the sound4 who were chunin level.

Kimimaro with his curse mark could pull it off.

Not too sure about that. A partial cm Kimi got easily negged by drunken in a single exchange and was about to get sent back on his ass with a hit to the gut within a second of Taijutsu w/Lee.

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5th Gate lee should have a wide gulf in speed between drunken lee even without bein unpredictable.

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[Jinrou]

Lee said he always dreamed of beating neji , not that he could only beat him in his dreams. Lee seemed pretty confident that he would've taken neji and neji's reaction to seeing his combat speed cements the notion of neji getting spanked in Taijutsu "neg diff" without him even being able to "touch" lee , which i think was the whole point of the Gates.

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Haha... made a mistake with the dream stuff.. But what i'm saying is Reverse Lotus is a move irrespective of the perks of Gates from 3 and above. He can open gates which he can use to wreck.. and he can use techniques with those gates which he can use to wreck more. [

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What i'm saying is if he still needs a technique on top of the added benefits of just opening gates, then its kinda portrayed opening the gates only would not be enough as he would still have to use a technique which in this case is Reverse Lotus. (Even has a DB entry iirc).

But yeah despite this portrayal i think is being shown, i also find it hard to believe Neji would best him in just Tai.

Well because Sasuke was only noted as chunin level after gaining lee's speed level and people like Neji were already considered chunin level. So their reactions should be in the higher tiers of chunin level. Add the sound4 who were also chunin level physically then use Kimimaro to scale up and it leads me to think his reactions were indeed jonin level as his reaction and combat speed are tiers above CE Neji , Sasuke and the sound4 who were chunin level.

How does that bold work though. Seems to me like their chuunin level was low tier and Kimi's reactions should be maybe mid/high tier chuunin level. Doubt it was Jonin. Drunken Lee isn't gates fast and he was having problem with the speed? I'm not sure that portrays Jonin level?

 

[Guntah]

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Not too sure about that. A partial cm Kimi got easily negged by drunken in a single exchange and was about to get sent back on his ass with a hit to the gut within a second of Taijutsu w/Lee.

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5th Gate lee should have a wide gulf in speed between drunken lee even without bein unpredictable.

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Then again, the moment he went into his third dance, he almost killed Lee.

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Granted, Lee was in a poor state at the time, but so was Kimimaro, so I think it equals things out. Not to mention what Kimimaro did survive against Gaara. He had an entire desert thrown at and had all that sand try to crush him, but yet he got back up and went on fighting.

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Given that, I think he could survive a beating from Lee, including a Front Lotus, and once it was over, he'd get back up and finish Lee off.

 

[neosmith500]

Haha... made a mistake with the dream stuff.. But what i'm saying is Reverse Lotus is a move irrespective of the perks of Gates from 3 and above. He can open gates which he can use to wreck.. and he can use techniques with those gates which he can use to wreck more. [

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What i'm saying is if he still needs a technique on top of the added benefits of just opening gates, then its kinda portrayed opening the gates only would not be enough as he would still have to use a technique which in this case is Reverse Lotus. (Even has a DB entry iirc).

But yeah despite this portrayal i think is being shown, i also find it hard to believe Neji would best him in just Tai.

The reverse Lotus is simply a combo. Lee opened the 4th Gate and did ntn but knock Gaara around the stage with plain kicks/punches. Ntn special about it other than the speed/power which is attained from the opening of the 3rd Gate and up.

How does that bold work though. Seems to me like their chuunin level was low tier and Kimi's reactions should be maybe mid/high tier chuunin level. Doubt it was Jonin. Drunken Lee isn't gates fast and he was having problem with the speed? I'm not sure that portrays Jonin level?

I wouldn't say Neji's reaction is low tier if he could outperform weightless Lee amped by the 1st Gate in taijutsu and that was in the prelims. Scale up to the SRA and i'm pretty sure his reactions should be mid/high chunin. Considering Kimimaro would've destroyed KN0 Naruto like he did his clone army yet had problems with drunken lee who is tiers upon tiers slower/weaker than KNO Naruto in all stats just shows how unpredictable and skilled drunken became. Tho Kimimaro even portrayed base lee fresh from surgery as harder to fight than a army KN0 Naruto and a army of clones yet all Lee did was a speed blitz followed by a single kick.

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At worst Lee should have mid chunin level reactions in base with Neji and 2t Sasuke edging him out by far in reaction/reflex. This leads me to put them at mid/high chuunin level in reaction. Low Jonin seems about right for kimi imo especially with Kabuto noting how big of a help he would've been when they attacked the leaf.

 

[Jinrou]

The reverse Lotus is simply a combo. Lee opened the 4th Gate and did ntn but knock Gaara around the stage with plain kicks/punches. Ntn special about it other than the speed/power which is attained from the opening of the 3rd Gate and up.

Lmao.. destroyed. Like i'm legit embarrassed at my attempts at rebuttal on this point XD Great post!

I wouldn't say Neji's reaction is low tier if he could outperform weightless Lee amped by the 1st Gate in taijutsu and that was in the prelims. Scale up to the SRA and i'm pretty sure his reactions should be mid/high chunin. Considering Kimimaro would've destroyed KN0 Naruto like he did his clone army yet had problems with drunken lee who is tiers upon tiers slower/weaker than KNO Naruto in all stats just shows how unpredictable and skilled drunken became. Tho Kimimaro even portrayed base lee fresh from surgery as harder to fight than a army KN0 Naruto and a army of clones yet all Lee did was a speed blitz followed by a single kick.

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At worst Lee should have mid chunin level reactions in base with Neji and 2t Sasuke edging him out by far in reaction/reflex. This leads me to put them at mid/high chuunin level in reaction. Low Jonin seems about right for kimi imo especially with Kabuto noting how big of a help he would've been when they attacked the leaf.

Haha... bold is proof that skill in the actual art goes a long way. Agreed with this too. Btw, do you have any ideas to your own thread question? xD

 

[neosmith500]

Then again, the moment he went into his third dance, he almost killed Lee.

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Granted, Lee was in a poor state at the time, but so was Kimimaro, so I think it equals things out. Not to mention what Kimimaro did survive against Gaara. He had an entire desert thrown at and had all that sand try to crush him, but yet he got back up and went on fighting.

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Given that, I think he could survive a beating from Lee, including a Front Lotus, and once it was over, he'd get back up and finish Lee off.

The point is , Kimi was forced to use his kkg against lee because he was getting defeated in taijutsu even with his bone swords. He then activated partial cm , attempted taijutsu on lee and was about to get one-paneled after the attempt. This thread isn't about someone surviving the Gates , it's about someone outperforming Gated Lee in a taijutsu exchange , like lee did to kimimaro here.

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[neosmith500]

Haha... bold is proof that skill in the actual art goes a long way. Agreed with this too. Btw, do you have any ideas to your own thread question? xD

Of course it does. I'm gonna need to really think about my own thread better to give all my thoughts but Base Gai is the first that comes to mind but i just have a hard time imagining this.

 

[King Of Pop]

Of course it does. I'm gonna need to really think about my own thread better to give all my thoughts but Base Gai is the first that comes to mind but i just have a hard time imagining this.

Yea I was actually going to ask you what you think about base gai against this lee.

 

[Jinrou]

Of course it does. I'm gonna need to really think about my own thread better to give all my thoughts but Base Gai is the first that comes to mind but i just have a hard time imagining this.

Haha.. that bold would then indicate you're thinking p1 5G Lee could tango with Konoha Jonin? What do you think about this post by King Of Pop?

That's not the same thing. Genjutsu and speed have nothing to do with the other. You can't train your eye to keep up with something way faster, you can only train yourself to become faster and by default you will be better in perceiving speed. That's why Minato can perceive v2 Ay and react, when sasuke using sharingan could not physically track him because minato>>>sasuke in speed.

Yea I was actually going to ask you what you think about base gai against this lee.

Borrowed your quote from the sharingan genius thread. Makes sense imo. But do you also think only Base Gai could take on p1 5G Lee?

 

[neosmith500]

Yea I was actually going to ask you what you think about base gai against this lee.

Haha.. that bold would then indicate you're thinking p1 5G Lee could tango with Konoha Jonin? What do you think about this post by King Of Pop?

Base Gai was portrayed above 5 Gate lee when he casually waved away Gaara's sand like it was ntn + when he threatened him at the hospital. Sand shield>>>>>thin armor>>Gated Lee's hits. Gai's casual feat against the gourd sand leads me to believe that he would've been able to easily break gaara's weaker sand armor with a single full powered punch. W/That in mind i see Gai taking him mid diff. Reason for mid is because drunken lee was portrayed as somewat of aproblem for gai to handle , so lee should be able to tag him before getting out-performed.

 

[Jinrou]

Base Gai was portrayed above 5 Gate lee when he casually waved away Gaara's sand like it was ntn + when he threatened him at the hospital. Sand shield>>>>>thin armor>>Gated Lee's hits. Gai's casual feat against the gourd sand leads me to believe that he would've been able to easily break gaara's weaker sand armor with a single full powered punch. W/That in mind i see Gai taking him mid diff. Reason for mid is because drunken lee was portrayed as somewat of aproblem for gai to handle , so lee should be able to tag him before getting out-performed.

lol nah man... I can't agree. What would Base Kakashi's (no sharingan) difficulty level be then? Or do you think he loses to p1 5G Lee?

 

[neosmith500]

lol nah man... I can't agree. What would Base Kakashi's (no sharingan) difficulty level be then? Or do you think he loses to p1 5G Lee?

That fine. I'm finding it hard to imagine kakashi outperforming lee. Reason i made the thread to get some opinions. I take it you think lee would beat Gai?