how ashura gained power to rival indra

[Rikudou Tobi]

We're back at this again.

It seems like most people here can't speak or comprehend English properly. Hagoromo states that in the past he gave Asura power, and left Indra with absolutely nothing, and now, with giving both brothers power the results were the same. Hagoromo did not only give Asura the leadership of Ninshuu, but he also bequeathed his power to Asura.

If we're being honest with ourselves, clearly Indra found some way to counter Asura's Six Path's Senjutsu. And considering Asura's avatar is significantly smaller than Indra's Susano'o, it's not far fetched that Indra put up a heavy.

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A dishonest member of the base will say that Hagoromo means leadership of Ninshuu, and yet he doesn't give Ninshuu skills to Sasuke or Naruto. He gives them literal power. The context of this sentence is clear; Hagoromo gifted the remainder of his power unto Asura and somehow Indra managed to stalemate.

In order to make up for the past mistake, he gives that same power to both sides and the same result comes about.

You’re right that Hagoromoo gave Ashura power but what you’re talking about is the additional power. Ashura trained to gain power but then Hagoromoo gave Ashura power on top of the bodily powers he gained by training.

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[whiteboy2345]

You’re right that Hagoromoo gave Ashura power but what you’re talking about is the additional power. Ashura trained to gain power but then Hagoromoo gave Ashura power on top of the bodily powers he gained by training.

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Right. I acknowledge Asura's self-earned growth in power, but to disagree with Hagoromo's claims of giving him extra power like these fanboys are doing is just dishonest.

 

[Opiuchus05]

Wtf are you on about he's clearly using spsm in the scans I provided, It's the same power as Naruto used and was given by the sage.

You don't awaken 6psm you are given it and it's only given via sof6p or by becoming the jyubi jin.

As for Ashura awakening the same power as his brother it's clearly reffering to base/3 tomoe Indra. Indra inherited the sages powerful chakra gene Ashura awakened the power to rival that but he doesn't have anything to rival the yin or the eyes. Hence Hogaromo gave him the power up for that and so he could spread ninshu.

Now none of the scans you provide can counter what I've said and provided evidences for.

Hagoromo said that ashura awoken power to rival indra and then chose him to be the successor
Hagoromo already thought him to be as strong as indra
It was because of how ashura awoken his bodily chakra to be as powerful as indra that he chose him
it counters that hagoromo thinks he needed more power to fight indra
Ashuras chakra through hashis cells and indra chakra through madara brings out hagoromos
Hashis cells increase healing and danzo used it to augment physical energies
Ashuras chakra is just as strong and needed as indras

strong chakra genes and yin arent 2 separate parts of indras power.its why he was born powerful
strong genes made him born with powerful mental energies that didn't need to be made stronger through training

Ashura didn't have strong genes.so he had to train.increasing his physical and mental energies,his physical energies was inherited from the sage which made him rival indra.
Ashura would have had the bodily chakra at birth too if he had strong chakra genes

What makes the senju and uzumaku clan so strong is from what they inherited from ashura
The manga clearly shows he was weak for a bit but his distant clans being strong shows he had powerful chakra for them to inherit
Ashura wasn't some weakling who needed a power-up
He inherited things from the sage and eventually reached his potential he just had to train since he wasn't born with it

 

[Scryed]

IMO Ashura reached Indra through his own power which then encouraged Indra to improve even more. After he became more powerful, Hagoromo then gave Ashura power that allowed him to match his brother again and resulted in both of them eventually destroying each other.

Saying that Ashura's power bloomed and he was able to match his brother is stated in the manga. Hagoromo giving Ashura power and not Indra is also stated in the manga (He compared it directly to giving Naruto and Sasuke power so I highly doubt he was simply talking about Ninshu leadership). It's also a fact that they destroyed each other so they were equal at the end.

Nothing says Indra can't improve either and since he weaponized chakra and reinvented Ninjutsu, odds are he didn't only rely on his ocular powers.

 

[Uverdore9]

IMO Ashura reached Indra through his own power which then encouraged Indra to improve even more. After he became more powerful, Hagoromo then gave Ashura power that allowed him to match his brother again and resulted in both of them eventually destroying each other.

Saying that Ashura's power bloomed and he was able to match his brother is stated in the manga. Hagoromo giving Ashura power and not Indra is also stated in the manga (He compared it directly to giving Naruto and Sasuke power so I highly doubt he was simply talking about Ninshu leadership). It's also a fact that they destroyed each other so they were equal at the end.

Nothing says Indra can't improve either and since he weaponized chakra and reinvented Ninjutsu, odds are he didn't only rely on his ocular powers.

He was not talking about leadership. Hagoromo didnt give leadership to Naruto and Sasuke. He said he didnt give indra power, Asura is way below the level of Indra.

 

[Strangerthing]

He was not talking about leadership. Hagoromo didnt give leadership to Naruto and Sasuke. He said he didnt give indra power, Asura is way below the level of Indra.

How is he below the level of Indra? Are you by any chance ignoring Manga facts? If anything they are equal.

 

[Uverdore9]

How is he below the level of Indra? Are you by any chance ignoring Manga facts? If anything they are equal.

They were not equal before the power was given.

 

[Strangerthing]

They were not equal before the power was given.

That statement means what exactly? Nothing, nothing at all because in the end they both «died» and became equal in power.

In the Manga you find Hagoromo saying Ashura trained and earned his power to rival his brother.

#stopignoringmangafacts2018

 

[lImmortal Regis]

Hagoromo stated that before he only gave power to Ashura which result in Ashura and Indra war.

Hagoromo in the same page and chapter states this time he is giving Naruto and Sasuke powers.

Ashura, Naruto and Sasuke got power up by Hagoromo but not Indra.

This. It was even stated in the manga. On top of that Naruto had Kurama as a jin

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[Rikudou Tobi]

Right. I acknowledge Asura's self-earned growth in power, but to disagree with Hagoromo's claims of giving him extra power like these fanboys are doing is just dishonest.

People are disagreeing? Well that’s low

 

[shadowcb]

Wow people still fail to understand Naruto and Sasuke's situation is different than Ashura and Indra's situation. Naruto and Sasuke needed a power that would make them both physically stronger so they could face Madara. Since Ashura and Indra's situtaion is different you can't apply Naruto and Sasuke's situation and the reasons they obtained their power to the brothers.

If people would read and comprehend the manga would they be able to easily understand the power Ashura obtained was becoming Sage's successor to ninshuu. These two scenes makes that clear -

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- In the first scene the manga states Indra started the war between him and Ashura because he wasn’t chosen to be Sage's successor. That scene is tell us the type of power Ashura received and why they fought.

In the second scene Sage says his sons fought was because he only gave power to one son so he believed by giving power to Naruto and Sasuke that would stop them from fighting. That scene again telling us the reason the brothers fought. The manga just use the word "power" instead of saying "Successor to ninshuu" because that is a type of power.

So of you need to understand or stop ignoring the fact there are different types of power.

 

[Scryed]

He was not talking about leadership. Hagoromo didnt give leadership to Naruto and Sasuke. He said he didnt give indra power, Asura is way below the level of Indra.

I know. That's what I said. Reread what I wrote incase you misunderstood.

 

[Uverdore9]

I know. That's what I said. Reread what I wrote incase you misunderstood.

Trolololol. I glimpsed your initial words and made up my post LOL.

 

[salamander uchiha]

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Hogaromo confirms he gave power to Ashura and not Indra and this time he's going to share his power with the Indra incarnate as well.

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He's clearly confirming he bequeathed power to Ashura last time and to to the incarnate's this time. And what did he give them? Power ups. It's only Ashura fans who're in denial.

 

[shadowcb]

Some of you still don't understand. We aren't denying Ashura received power from Sage. The problem is some of you are denying the type of power Ashura received. Sage making Ashura the successor to ninshuu is a type of power and is the power he received. It's no different than if the oldest son is chosen to be the new king after his father. The son gained power by becoming the new king.

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- the manga tells us that Sage made Ashura the successor to ninshuu and states Indra started the war between him and Ashura because he wasn’t chosen to be Sage's successor.

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- the manga confirms making Ashura the successor to ninshuu is a type of power by calling it power.

The second problem is people claiming the power Sage gave Ashura had to be something to make Ashura physically stronger because Naruto and Sasuke obtained a power that made them both physically stronger. They either fail to understand or deny the fact that Naruto and Sasuke's situation was different than Ashura and Indra's situation. It wouldn't make any sense to make Naruto and Sasuke the successor to ninshuu when they both needed a power that would allow them to face Madara. So it wouldn't any sense to give Ashura a power to make his stronger when Ashura obtained his own power to match is brother's power and Sage was trying to achieve peace. There wouldn't be any reason to make him stronger. Remember they weren't fighting before Ashura became the successor.

 

[Opiuchus05]

Some of you still don't understand. We aren't denying Ashura received power from Sage. The problem is some of you are denying the type of power Ashura received. Sage making Ashura the successor to ninshuu is a type of power and is the power he received. It's no different than if the oldest son is chosen to be the new king after his father. The son gained power by becoming the new king.

Here -

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- the manga tells us that Sage made Ashura the successor to ninshuu and states Indra started the war between him and Ashura because he wasn’t chosen to be Sage's successor.

Here -

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- the manga confirms making Ashura the successor to ninshuu is a type of power by calling it power.

The second problem is people claiming the power Sage gave Ashura had to be something to make Ashura physically stronger because Naruto and Sasuke obtained a power that made them both physically stronger. They either fail to understand or deny the fact that Naruto and Sasuke's situation was different than Ashura and Indra's situation. It wouldn't make any sense to make Naruto and Sasuke the successor to ninshuu when they both needed a power that would allow them to face Madara. So it wouldn't any sense to give Ashura a power to make his stronger when Ashura obtained his own power to match is brother's power and Sage was trying to achieve peace. There wouldn't be any reason to make him stronger. Remember they weren't fighting before Ashura became the successor.

Exactly
Indra attacked and started the feud after hagoromo gave ashura power
It wouldn't make since for hagoromo to give ashura power to fight indra if indra didn't become angry afterwards

 

[salamander uchiha]

Exactly
Hagoromo had to give Naruto and sasuke the sun and moon seal to fight madara who gained kaguyas power

Intellectual dishonest Rokudo gave the seals and his chakra ( power up) 6PSM was given by the sage as was Sasuke's Rinnegan.

 

[Uverdore9]

Indra didnt inherit power from sage as sage himself said he ignored indra. That itself proves the level asura was in. In a scale of 1000, maybe a 0.000001 level?

 

[Brady]

Wow people still fail to understand Naruto and Sasuke's situation is different than Ashura and Indra's situation. Naruto and Sasuke needed a power that would make them both physically stronger so they could face Madara. Since Ashura and Indra's situtaion is different you can't apply Naruto and Sasuke's situation and the reasons they obtained their power to the brothers.

If people would read and comprehend the manga would they be able to easily understand the power Ashura obtained was becoming Sage's successor to ninshuu. These two scenes makes that clear -

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- and -

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- In the first scene the manga states Indra started the war between him and Ashura because he wasn’t chosen to be Sage's successor. That scene is tell us the type of power Ashura received and why they fought.

In the second scene Sage says his sons fought was because he only gave power to one son so he believed by giving power to Naruto and Sasuke that would stop them from fighting. That scene again telling us the reason the brothers fought. The manga just use the word "power" instead of saying "Successor to ninshuu" because that is a type of power.

So of you need to understand or stop ignoring the fact there are different types of power.

Hagoromo speaks in the same context. Just because Asura didn't need an enemy to fight, it wasn't insensible to give Asura power considering chakra could be corrupted.

Ignoring this contextual fact is ignorant. A number of possibilities exist, including Indra using Izanagi after stalemating with Asura, considering Black Zetsu manipulated Indra after he "lost the battle for succession". How could Indra lose if they both died? My theory is that Indra brought himself back with an Izanagi timelapse and then went his own way.

 

[Brady]

He trained that's how, as stated by the sage. Everything else is butthurt uchiha fanboy nonsense.

Obviously he trained and became equal to Indra, however he also was given extra power. How Indra countered or survived that power is unknown and at this point doesn't matter, however, to suggest Asura wasn't given power despite Hagoromo claiming he did in fact give Asura power is just unreasonable.