how ashura gained power to rival indra

[Opiuchus05]

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You guys act like he did this prior to their fight. That’s not what happened. Hagoromo chose Ashura as his successor this led to their rivalry. Hagoromo did NOT give him his power first then they fought.

As others have stated Ashura reached Indra’s level through help and hard training. The people in the background did NOT participate in their fight. They are back their to show the difference in how they obtained their powers.

Indra through birth and Ashura with help. You guys are taking the panels out of context to downplay Ashura.

YES Indra was stronger for a time. But Ahsura caught up eventually.

honestly this should be enough to get my point across

Physical energy (身体エネルギー, shintai enerugī) is collected from each and every one of the body's cells and can be increased through training, stimulants, and exercise. Spiritual energy (精神エネルギー, seishin enerugī, English TV: Mental Energy) is derived from the mind's consciousness and can be increased through studying, meditation, and experience. These two energies becoming more powerful will in turn make the created chakra more powerful

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[Uverdore9]

Indra had power of mental chakra awakened already in him and Asura got the same power as Indra by awakening the power of his bodily chakra through training, note that Asura had full access to body chakra even before the training, just the power was bloomed after that, which Indra already had and he got the same power as his brother. Come to think of it, Doujutsu are called Ocular powers.

 

[salamander uchiha]

ashura training and cooperating with others is what inspired hagoromo in the first place to make ashura the successor

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in other words ashura was stated to gain the same power as indra before being the successor of ninshuu before he could connect with other people
ashura wasnt always weak until hagoromo gave him power
ashura was still born with the sage's physical energies
he just had to train and training increases physical and spiritual energies to make chakra stronger

indra and ashura's chakra didn't vanish but transmigrated

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ashura's chakra transmigrated to hashi

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getting hashi's dna makes your physical energies stronger

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hashis cells makes a person able to use kotoamatsukami 2x a day instead of once every 10 years

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hashis poweful chakra with physical energies is because of ashura
the senju clan and uzumaki's are powerful because of be related to ashura

Wtf are you on about he's clearly using spsm in the scans I provided, It's the same power as Naruto used and was given by the sage.

You don't awaken 6psm you are given it and it's only given via sof6p or by becoming the jyubi jin.

As for Ashura awakening the same power as his brother it's clearly reffering to base/3 tomoe Indra. Indra inherited the sages powerful chakra gene Ashura awakened the power to rival that but he doesn't have anything to rival the yin or the eyes. Hence Hogaromo gave him the power up for that and so he could spread ninshu.

Now none of the scans you provide can counter what I've said and provided evidences for.

 

[Shogo Makishima]

Filler.

How can events that were described before hand be filler.


Ashura received power from hago and people around him like it and the anime even supports that notion

 

[super michael]

Hagoromo stated that before he only gave power to Ashura which result in Ashura and Indra war.

Hagoromo in the same page and chapter states this time he is giving Naruto and Sasuke powers.

Ashura, Naruto and Sasuke got power up by Hagoromo but not Indra.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

You're right. Ashura had to train to obtain his bodily chakra to match Indra's ocular chakra. That training was to obtain senjutsu.

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

Look at this panel again :

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To have the same power as his brother , he needed much effort and to have cooperation of other people .
Ashura didn't have power to rival Indra alone , he rivaled Indra with others' help ( Pretty much like how Naruto rivaled Sasuke with others' help )

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[shadowcb]

Indra had power of mental chakra awakened already in him and Asura got the same power as Indra by awakening the power of his bodily chakra through training, note that Asura had full access to body chakra even before the training, just the power was bloomed after that, which Indra already had and he got the same power as his brother. Come to think of it, Doujutsu are called Ocular powers.

I agree.

Hagoromo stated that before he only gave power to Ashura which result in Ashura and Indra war.

Hagoromo in the same page and chapter states this time he is giving Naruto and Sasuke powers.

Ashura, Naruto and Sasuke got power up by Hagoromo but not Indra.

The manga never tell us the type of power he gave Ashura. It could be anything IE: making Ashura his successor. You can't compare Naruto and Sasuke's situation to Ashura and Indra because those are two different situations. Naruto and Sasuke needed power to go up against Madara. Indra fought Ashura because Sage didn't make Indra his successor. The manga is telling us the brothers fought over power and that power was being Sage's successor. That is a type of power.

The manga clearly states Ashura obtained power that matched Indra's power with training and hardwork so Ashura didn't need anything from his father to match his brother's power.

You're right. Ashura had to train to obtain his bodily chakra to match Indra's ocular chakra. That training was to obtain senjutsu.

I believe you are correct because neither son received the same eye or body as their father. Instead they received a lesser eye power and body power. Indra's eye power allowed him to create the Mangekyo Sharingan so it would make sense for Ashura body power to allow him to create Sage mode. Those powers parallel each other.

No, Ashura didn't have SPSM.

 

[Nick01]

Got to love people posting scans yet completely ignore this one

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Ashura gained the same power as indra through suffering and training. Bias uchiha fanboys as always

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The only thing Hago gave to Ashura was "Leadership over Ninshuu". How some can't understand something so simple is beyond me.

 

[super michael]

But why didn’t Hagoromo state all he gave was leadership to Nishuu? Why state power was given only Ashura but not Indra. Why write in the next panel that this time both Naruto and Sasuke were given power.

See doesn’t make sense. Hagoromo didn’t state leaderships, successor, Ninshu, etc Hagoromo state Ashura got power which in next panel states both Naruto and Sasuke got power unlike Indra.

 

[Uverdore9]

But why didn’t Hagoromo state all he gave was leadership to Nishuu? Why state power was given only Ashura but not Indra. Why write in the next panel that this time both Naruto and Sasuke were given power.

See doesn’t make sense. Hagoromo didn’t state leaderships, successor, Ninshu, etc Hagoromo state Ashura got power which in next panel states both Naruto and Sasuke got power unlike Indra.

You're absolutely correct. Indra was neglected for Asura's upraising.

 

[shadowcb]

But why didn’t Hagoromo state all he gave was leadership to Nishuu? Why state power was given only Ashura but not Indra. Why write in the next panel that this time both Naruto and Sasuke were given power.

See doesn’t make sense. Hagoromo didn’t state leaderships, successor, Ninshu, etc Hagoromo state Ashura got power which in next panel states both Naruto and Sasuke got power unlike Indra.

The same thing came be said if Ashura received a power that made him stronger. Why didn't the manga tell us the type of power and how it made him stronger.

The manga already told us Ashura obtained power equal to his brother so there is no need to explain the type power he received from Sage. If Ashura would have obtain a power from Sage that made his stronger than he would have been stronger than Indra an only Indra would have died in their battle.

The manga is telling us Indra fought Ashura because he wasn't Sage's successor. In other words Indra fought Ashura over power.


Like I said Naruto and Sasuke's situation is different than Ashura and Indra's situation. Naruto and Sasuke needed power to go up against Madara.

Remember, the brothers represent yin and yang. They parallel each other and are equal. Since Indra has MS than it wouldn't make any sense for Ashura to SPSM.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I agree.



The manga never tell us the type of power he gave Ashura. It could be anything IE: making Ashura his successor. You can't compare Naruto and Sasuke's situation to Ashura and Indra because those are two different situations. Naruto and Sasuke needed power to go up against Madara. Indra fought Ashura because Sage didn't make Indra his successor. The manga is telling us the brothers fought over power and that power was being Sage's successor. That is a type of power.

The manga clearly states Ashura obtained power that matched Indra's power with training and hardwork so Ashura didn't need anything from his father to match his brother's power.



I believe you are correct because neither son received the same eye or body as their father. Instead they received a lesser eye power and body power. Indra's eye power allowed him to create the Mangekyo Sharingan so it would make sense for Ashura body power to allow him to create Sage mode. Those powers parallel each other.

No, Ashura didn't have SPSM.

Ashura has truth seeking orbs so he has to have spsm. His reincarnates that we know all have senjutsu of some sorts whether it be the Senju clans Sage mode or Frog Sage mode they were still able to manipulate some type of senjutsu. Ahsura's evidently came in the fomr a truth seeking orbs in his avatar state.

 

[super michael]

Here is the chapter if someone knows a better translation please post it.

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- Hagoromo says leaving power to 1 which was to Ashura.
- Hagoromo says the power was divided between Naruto and Sasuke.

We don’t know when Indra got his MS and when Hagoromo gave him power. In the filler we see Ashura receive power from other people when Indra used his MS.

Power is the only word used, one gets everything while later power gets divided to two people.


There is absolutely no mention of leadership, Ninshuu, etc. Power is the only thing mentioned.

 

[shadowcb]

Ashura has truth seeking orbs so he has to have spsm. His reincarnates that we know all have senjutsu of some sorts whether it be the Senju clans Sage mode or Frog Sage mode they were still able to manipulate some type of senjutsu. Ahsura's evidently came in the fomr a truth seeking orbs in his avatar state.

I don't believe he had SPSM or TSB because Indra wouldn't have been about to counter it's ability to erase ninjutsu with just the MS. It make more sense for him to have sage mode. Ashura would have had the most complete sage mode with the ability to use jutsu like frog fu and Kabuto's Inorganic Reincarnation. With both abilities the user is using nature energy directly without having to add it to chakra first. Kaguya Ōtsutsuki used Inorganic Reincarnation or a variation of that jutsu when she fought Naruto and had the mountain attack him.

I believe the orbs we saw Ashura holding in his avatar state are just his version of the TBB. His powers, like his brother's, comes directly from his father so his power would have been in its strongest state which would have allowed him to do more with his power than his descendants.

IE: Sasuke needed the sharingan, rinnegan, and chakra from all the tail beast to create Indra's arrow. Clearly, the manga is implying that was Indra's jutsu. Since Indra didn't have all those powers that means he didn't need all those powers to create that arrow. Since the brothers parallel each other the same would apply to Ashura. He would be able to do things that Naruto's couldn't do without more power.

 

[shadowcb]

Here is the chapter if someone knows a better translation please post it.

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- Hagoromo says leaving power to 1 which was to Ashura.
- Hagoromo says the power was divided between Naruto and Sasuke.

We don’t know when Indra got his MS and when Hagoromo gave him power. In the filler we see Ashura receive power from other people when Indra used his MS.

Power is the only word used, one gets everything while later power gets divided to two people.


There is absolutely no mention of leadership, Ninshuu, etc. Power is the only thing mentioned.

Two completely different situations. Naruto and Sasuke wouldn't have stood a change against Madara without power from Sage. The brother fought over power (successor). There are different types of power. Being named the successor to Sage who have follows or more is a type of power. The hokage position is a type of power.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I don't believe he had SPSM or TSB because Indra wouldn't have been about to counter it's ability to erase ninjutsu with just the MS. It make more sense for him to have sage mode. Ashura would have had the most complete sage mode with the ability to use jutsu like frog fu and Kabuto's Inorganic Reincarnation. With both abilities the user is using nature energy directly without having to add it to chakra first. Kaguya Ōtsutsuki used Inorganic Reincarnation or a variation of that jutsu when she fought Naruto and had the mountain attack him.

I believe the orbs we saw Ashura holding in his avatar state are just his version of the TBB. His powers, like his brother's, comes directly from his father so his power would have been in its strongest state which would have allowed him to do more with his power than his descendants.

IE: Sasuke needed the sharingan, rinnegan, and chakra from all the tail beast to create Indra's arrow. Clearly, the manga is implying that was Indra's jutsu. Since Indra didn't have all those powers that means he didn't need all those powers to create that arrow. Since the brothers parallel each other the same would apply to Ashura. He would be able to do things that Naruto's couldn't do without more power.

Indra was born with His father’s strong chakra genes so Indra had Six path chakra. The best way to gauge Indra’s chakra type is to look at Dms Kakashi/Obito, they both had six path chakra and were the only MS users to use Perfect Susano’o with no drawbacks.
The only difference is that Indra’s chakra potency or levels was way much more since it was strong enough to reincarnate into different people over the century while Obito was only able to do something similar for like a couple of minutes.

So I figured that six path chakra can stand up to Tsb from being erased.

As for Ashura, he cannot preform a tailed beast bomb without becoming a perfect jinchuuriki, even Hachibi madebir perefectly clear that only bijus can preform a tailed beast and for humans they need to be a jinchuuriki. Ashura’s avatar resembles no biju in fact his cloak is just his life energy/stamina so where is the biju bomb coming from?
He’s not a jinchuuriki so therefore he does not have it. Those things are are truth seeking orbs. He had 7 orbs around his neck and he had 5 in his hand. A biju including the ten tails cans not have 12 biju bombs out at the same time and they would explode around the neck of anybody neck of any biju including the ten tails. Those things are not biju bombs, you can’t just wear them like jewelry like that because they all detonate. Even the most perfect jinchuriki is unable to do that.

 

[Umari Senju]

You're absolutely correct. Indra was neglected for Asura's upraising.

Now this is very true. Indra already has the power he didn’t need the training Ahsura required which was by the help of others and cooperation.

Indra needed to understand that not everything can be shouldered alone. He didn’t need martial training but leadership training and Hagoromo definitely failed in that department.

 

[davidou]

Of course he trained and became equal to if not stronger than his emo brother.

Patience and cooperation>Power and rage.

 

[whiteboy2345]

We're back at this again.

It seems like most people here can't speak or comprehend English properly. Hagoromo states that in the past he gave Asura power, and left Indra with absolutely nothing, and now, with giving both brothers power the results were the same. Hagoromo did not only give Asura the leadership of Ninshuu, but he also bequeathed his power to Asura.

If we're being honest with ourselves, clearly Indra found some way to counter Asura's Six Path's Senjutsu. And considering Asura's avatar is significantly smaller than Indra's Susano'o, it's not far fetched that Indra put up a heavy.

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A dishonest member of the base will say that Hagoromo means leadership of Ninshuu, and yet he doesn't give Ninshuu skills to Sasuke or Naruto. He gives them literal power. The context of this sentence is clear; Hagoromo gifted the remainder of his power unto Asura and somehow Indra managed to stalemate.

In order to make up for the past mistake, he gives that same power to both sides and the same result comes about.