[VS] Big Mom vs Whitebeard

[BusinessManTeno]

Lol
You talk about WB durability, yet big mom is dying right infront of our eyes cause she cant fight without eating... Trust me.. in terms of power... Whitebeard has it.. Durability, Big mom.. Prometheus and Zeus is not doing shit to blackbeard.. Lets stop acting like their top tiers.. lol her lightning element doesn't outclass enel, and fire does not outclass sabo/ace... Whitebeard can spam quakes and eventually they would rekt her... Also the only person he used quake to pointblank died if im correct.. the other ppl took major MAJOR damage.. akainu who was a logia took massive damage.. Big mom ONLY can take this if she can get within short range and has actual combat ability.. but her df will NOt help her in this fight

 

[Sakazuki]

Lol
You talk about WB durability, yet big mom is dying right infront of our eyes cause she cant fight without eating... Trust me.. in terms of power... Whitebeard has it.. Durability, Big mom.. Prometheus and Zeus is not doing shit to blackbeard.. Lets stop acting like their top tiers.. lol her lightning element doesn't outclass enel, and fire does not outclass sabo/ace... Whitebeard can spam quakes and eventually they would rekt her... Also the only person he used quake to pointblank died if im correct.. the other ppl took major MAJOR damage.. akainu who was a logia took massive damage.. Big mom ONLY can take this if she can get within short range and has actual combat ability.. but her df will NOt help her in this fight

Only way wb looses is if he has 3 or more heart attacks

 

[MickNerks]

Lol
You talk about WB durability, yet big mom is dying right infront of our eyes cause she cant fight without eating... Trust me.. in terms of power... Whitebeard has it.. Durability, Big mom.. Prometheus and Zeus is not doing shit to blackbeard.. Lets stop acting like their top tiers.. lol her lightning element doesn't outclass enel, and fire does not outclass sabo/ace... Whitebeard can spam quakes and eventually they would rekt her... Also the only person he used quake to pointblank died if im correct.. the other ppl took major MAJOR damage.. akainu who was a logia took massive damage.. Big mom ONLY can take this if she can get within short range and has actual combat ability.. but her df will NOt help her in this fight

Big Mom Dying??? Please show me that scan... I saw a fatigued BM, but when she jumped on the Sunny she looked like she was a far ways from death.

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I dont disagree that Whitebeard has displayed superior POWER to Big Mom. But in terms of Stamina, Strength, Versatility, Speed, and Durability Big Mom has far outshined MF Whitebeard.

I dont think it is wise to assume Zues or Prometheus couldnt play a role in a fight against MF Whitebeard. They could easily distract him with they elemental abilities, block his view, and even cause minimal to medium damage to slow whitebeard down. And to say Prometheus and Zues's attacks would have no effect on WB would contradict the Manga when it was clearly shown that during Marineford whitebeard sustained heavy injuries from cannons, gunfire, and sword stabs.

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Also, when it comes to Zues and Prometheus, Whitebeard has no way to actually defeat them or remove them from the battle, so they will never go away and can constantly hinder him in battle or attack him. You caim that they are nothing compared to Enel and Ace, but what are you basing that assumptiong off of, especially when prometheus has shown larger AoE than Ace and actually killed people and Zues's attack on Big Mom was larger than Enel's El Thor which was his strongest solo technique shown. They were described in the manga as being worst than Logia Types. And it was already shown that Haki does not work on them.

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You claim that Whitebeards quakes "WOULD EVENTUALLY" wreck her, but where are you drawing this conclusion from. Whitebeard gave a direct fist to both Akainu and Blackbeard and they both were ale to stand back up afterward. Meanwhile, nothing in the Manga has been able to harm Big Mom *PERIOD*. Even when left vaunerable because she became unconscious she still couldnt she injured. Even when she took a direct Yonko level attack (Zues Controlled) she was unphased (without haki defense). Luffy with a 4th Gear Kong Gun which sent Doflamingo, Craker, and Katakuri flying did absolutely nothing to Big Mom, she didnt lose any ground at all and didnt even look challenged by it. So how do you wager with all her durability feats that a couple quake fist could stop her, and that even to assume Whitebeard could touch Big Mom while she is on Zues.

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On top of all that, she can still summon storms, mountain sized fire balls that scortch the entire area, summon tidal wave, fly, has the strength surpassing that of giants, and incredibly destructive swordsmanship skills.

So, though I believe that WB in his Prime would be able to beat Big Mom, there is no way MF sick Whitebeard would be able to win that fight.

 

[Solarmoth]

Big mom can beat whiteboard by putting soul in quake vibrations. She has better durability and strength overall.

 

[Sakazuki]

Big Mom Dying??? Please show me that scan... I saw a fatigued BM, but when she jumped on the Sunny she looked like she was a far ways from death.

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I dont disagree that Whitebeard has displayed superior POWER to Big Mom. But in terms of Stamina, Strength, Versatility, Speed, and Durability Big Mom has far outshined MF Whitebeard.

I dont think it is wise to assume Zues or Prometheus couldnt play a role in a fight against MF Whitebeard. They could easily distract him with they elemental abilities, block his view, and even cause minimal to medium damage to slow whitebeard down. And to say Prometheus and Zues's attacks would have no effect on WB would contradict the Manga when it was clearly shown that during Marineford whitebeard sustained heavy injuries from cannons, gunfire, and sword stabs.

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Also, when it comes to Zues and Prometheus, Whitebeard has no way to actually defeat them or remove them from the battle, so they will never go away and can constantly hinder him in battle or attack him. You caim that they are nothing compared to Enel and Ace, but what are you basing that assumptiong off of, especially when prometheus has shown larger AoE than Ace and actually killed people and Zues's attack on Big Mom was larger than Enel's El Thor which was his strongest solo technique shown. They were described in the manga as being worst than Logia Types. And it was already shown that Haki does not work on them.

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You claim that Whitebeards quakes "WOULD EVENTUALLY" wreck her, but where are you drawing this conclusion from. Whitebeard gave a direct fist to both Akainu and Blackbeard and they both were ale to stand back up afterward. Meanwhile, nothing in the Manga has been able to harm Big Mom *PERIOD*. Even when left vaunerable because she became unconscious she still couldnt she injured. Even when she took a direct Yonko level attack (Zues Controlled) she was unphased (without haki defense). Luffy with a 4th Gear Kong Gun which sent Doflamingo, Craker, and Katakuri flying did absolutely nothing to Big Mom, she didnt lose any ground at all and didnt even look challenged by it. So how do you wager with all her durability feats that a couple quake fist could stop her, and that even to assume Whitebeard could touch Big Mom while she is on Zues.

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On top of all that, she can still summon storms, mountain sized fire balls that scortch the entire area, summon tidal wave, fly, has the strength surpassing that of giants, and incredibly destructive swordsmanship skills.

So, though I believe that WB in his Prime would be able to beat Big Mom, there is no way MF sick Whitebeard would be able to win that fight.

As long as sick wb doesn't have a heart attack he wins. You can't just assume he will have a heart attack every single time. Oda said his strength was never diminished from being sick. Meaning old sick quake fist = prime quake fist. So even if sick wb doesn't have a heart attack there's no reasons he can't spam quake fists and end the fight.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

As long as sick wb doesn't have a heart attack he wins. You can't just assume he will have a heart attack every single time. Oda said his strength was never diminished from being sick. Meaning old sick quake fist = prime quake fist. So even if sick wb doesn't have a heart attack there's no reasons he can't spam quake fists and end the fight.

There is no way a top tier can end a top tier so quickly. It'll be at least of couple of days and we already saw characters deal with the quake punches so I don't why you keep relying on WB spamming quake punches when he couldn't spam them against any admiral in Marineford. Sick WB still has diminished reflexes so at best he'd win extreme diff without the heart attacks. With heart attacks, its a guaranteed lost to any top tier.

-WB was damaged by every blow he took but COA wasn't really a thing
-Akainu could match WB's brute strength and one of BM's primary gimmicks is her strength.
-WB isn't a mobile fighter but BM is.
-Akainu could match a gura punch so BM can.

 

[MickNerks]

As long as sick wb doesn't have a heart attack he wins. You can't just assume he will have a heart attack every single time. Oda said his strength was never diminished from being sick. Meaning old sick quake fist = prime quake fist. So even if sick wb doesn't have a heart attack there's no reasons he can't spam quake fists and end the fight.

No where in my post did i mention Whitebeards Hearts attacks or say it would cause him to lose this match. Even without him suffering from a heart attack he would still lose given the fighting capabilities he displayed during the MF War.

During Marineford Whitebeard was taking damage from fodder on his own crew and the Marines, so to assume Big Mom would not be able to put him down should be an overreach of one's imagination.

 

[Sakazuki]

There is no way a top tier can end a top tier so quickly. It'll be at least of couple of days and we already saw characters deal with the quake punches so I don't why you keep relying on WB spamming quake punches when he couldn't spam them against any admiral in Marineford. Sick WB still has diminished reflexes so at best he'd win extreme diff without the heart attacks. With heart attacks, its a guaranteed lost to any top tier.

-WB was damaged by every blow he took but COA wasn't really a thing
-Akainu could match WB's brute strength and one of BM's primary gimmicks is her strength.
-WB isn't a mobile fighter but BM is.
-Akainu could match a gura punch so BM can.

Well tbh big mom's size imo would benefit wb

 

[Sakazuki]

No where in my post did i mention Whitebeards Hearts attacks or say it would cause him to lose this match. Even without him suffering from a heart attack he would still lose given the fighting capabilities he displayed during the MF War.

During Marineford Whitebeard was taking damage from fodder on his own crew and the Marines, so to assume Big Mom would not be able to put him down should be an overreach of one's imagination.

Wb wouldn't loose to anyone if he didn't have a heart attack, sick or not, except Roger or garp. If he didn't have a heart attack he wouldve owned akainu and everyone else at mf and completely destroyed it

 

[BusinessManTeno]

Big Mom Dying??? Please show me that scan... I saw a fatigued BM, but when she jumped on the Sunny she looked like she was a far ways from death.

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I dont disagree that Whitebeard has displayed superior POWER to Big Mom. But in terms of Stamina, Strength, Versatility, Speed, and Durability Big Mom has far outshined MF Whitebeard.

I dont think it is wise to assume Zues or Prometheus couldnt play a role in a fight against MF Whitebeard. They could easily distract him with they elemental abilities, block his view, and even cause minimal to medium damage to slow whitebeard down. And to say Prometheus and Zues's attacks would have no effect on WB would contradict the Manga when it was clearly shown that during Marineford whitebeard sustained heavy injuries from cannons, gunfire, and sword stabs.

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Also, when it comes to Zues and Prometheus, Whitebeard has no way to actually defeat them or remove them from the battle, so they will never go away and can constantly hinder him in battle or attack him. You caim that they are nothing compared to Enel and Ace, but what are you basing that assumptiong off of, especially when prometheus has shown larger AoE than Ace and actually killed people and Zues's attack on Big Mom was larger than Enel's El Thor which was his strongest solo technique shown. They were described in the manga as being worst than Logia Types. And it was already shown that Haki does not work on them.

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You claim that Whitebeards quakes "WOULD EVENTUALLY" wreck her, but where are you drawing this conclusion from. Whitebeard gave a direct fist to both Akainu and Blackbeard and they both were ale to stand back up afterward. Meanwhile, nothing in the Manga has been able to harm Big Mom *PERIOD*. Even when left vaunerable because she became unconscious she still couldnt she injured. Even when she took a direct Yonko level attack (Zues Controlled) she was unphased (without haki defense). Luffy with a 4th Gear Kong Gun which sent Doflamingo, Craker, and Katakuri flying did absolutely nothing to Big Mom, she didnt lose any ground at all and didnt even look challenged by it. So how do you wager with all her durability feats that a couple quake fist could stop her, and that even to assume Whitebeard could touch Big Mom while she is on Zues.

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On top of all that, she can still summon storms, mountain sized fire balls that scortch the entire area, summon tidal wave, fly, has the strength surpassing that of giants, and incredibly destructive swordsmanship skills.

So, though I believe that WB in his Prime would be able to beat Big Mom, there is no way MF sick Whitebeard would be able to win that fight.

LMAO!!! you talking about zeus that was powered up by namis eggs (See what I did there?) And that move was STILL not stronger than this

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Which was seen across the WHOLE island.. and struck all the way down.... and Prometheus...? All he did was scorch a portion of a forest.. lol . In no way does it compare to ace fure

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You guys hype big mom up soo much that its pretty sad.. The ONLY thing truly powerful about big mom is her durability and STRENGTH ALONE.. Not her df.. Her df literally plays almost no part in how much of a monster she is.. AT ALL

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Wb wouldn't loose to anyone if he didn't have a heart attack, sick or not, except Roger or garp. If he didn't have a heart attack he wouldve owned akainu and everyone else at mf and completely destroyed it

Even Prime WB can't own any admiral or yonko. People usually put these big gaps between Roger, WB and the rest but Garp's mere existence counters that. Prime Garp had the power to kill the PK but while old(but still in shape since he's always active), was portrayed below Akainu. Oda's statements about WB already proved that being old cause a minor drop in strength at best.

Its extreme diff all around minus the few high diffs here n' there among the top tiers.

 

[Sakazuki]

Even Prime WB can't own any admiral or yonko. People usually put these big gaps between Roger, WB and the rest but Garp's mere existence counters that. Prime Garp had the power to kill the PK but while old(but still in shape since he's always active), was portrayed below Akainu. Oda's statements about WB already proved that being old cause a minor drop in strength at best.

Its extreme diff all around minus the few high diffs here n' there among the top tiers.

Well.. I did think the admirals were portrayed a bit stronger than the older fellas.. Didn't oda say this new generation would end up surpassing the last anyways?

 

[MickNerks]

LMAO!!! you talking about zeus that was powered up by namis eggs (See what I did there?) And that move was STILL not stronger than this

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Which was seen across the WHOLE island.. and struck all the way down.... and Prometheus...? All he did was scorch a portion of a forest.. lol . In no way does it compare to ace fure

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You guys hype big mom up soo much that its pretty sad.. The ONLY thing truly powerful about big mom is her durability and STRENGTH ALONE.. Not her df.. Her df literally plays almost no part in how much of a monster she is.. AT ALL

Im really not trying to Hype big mom up at all. Im only listing feats she's actually shown in the manga. If this was a match vs Kaido I would suggest that Kaido would win since he has shown to have to same tier of strength and durability as Big Mom. If this was against Prime Whitebeard I would give this to Prime Whitebeard for obious reasons.

But the Whitebeard who competed in Marineford was in horrible condition and showed nothing that would give him an edge over the current Big Mom.

 

[Solarmoth]

In terms of DF versatility and power, yomi yomi no mi. Can big mom possess Brook's soul with Prometheus?

 

[Sakazuki]

In terms of DF versatility and power, yomi yomi no mi. Can big mom possess Brook's soul with Prometheus?

In terms of power wbs fruit is already said to be the strongest paramecia. So you are wrong again

 

[Bogard]

Big Meme is so trash that i wonder how this thread even went for so long

 

[Solarmoth]

In terms of power wbs fruit is already said to be the strongest paramecia. So you are wrong again

Strongest doesn't mean the most versatile. Why has the most blunt force ability but big mom's soul can possess his quake vibrations and kill WB easily. Most versatile are Brook's and big mom's. Since it's questionable whether she can put soul in an other soul. Other than that WB is nothing before big mom. Not even his haki will work.

 

[Sakazuki]

Strongest doesn't mean the most versatile. Why has the most blunt force ability but big mom's soul can possess his quake vibrations and kill WB easily. Most versatile are Brook's and big mom's. Since it's questionable whether she can put soul in an other soul. Other than that WB is nothing before big mom. Not even his haki will work.

Instead of thinking her soul can possess his quake, you should be thinking his quake would demolish her soul.

And if oda, the creator of one piece says quake is the strongest paramecia than it is, regardless of what you think. You said big mom's triumphed wbs fruit in terms of power, I was just letting you know, oda has already disproved ANY paramecia being stronger than wbs

 

[Solarmoth]

Instead of thinking her soul can possess his quake, you should be thinking his quake would demolish her soul.

And if oda, the creator of one piece says quake is the strongest paramecia than it is, regardless of what you think. You said big mom's triumphed wbs fruit in terms of power, I was just letting you know, oda has already disproved ANY paramecia being stronger than wbs

It's been proven that the gura gura no mi cannot affect soul no mi because it is intangible. Quake is just a vibration and manipulation of air. These two things have zero chances of winning against big mom who have intangible beings in her arsenal.

 

[A v i]

Big Meme is so trash that i wonder how this thread even went for so long

I think I am starting to see why even a dying WB was seen as a bigger threat than BM.Zzz