The knowledge and jutsus

[Warlocks]

Nagato was like 35-40 not 90...he wasn't older than Tsunade and she was in 50-60 range



Sage mode is absorbing nature's chakra......Shinju is the true form of juubi ie it is the collection of biju chakra......i don't think you can absorb biju chakra with SM

i think bz said shinju+kaguya=juubi

 

[Silva Aka]

Gyukī said shinju is the original form of juubi. Juubi is a mass of natural energy. Shinjū is natural energy.

 

[SeveN797]

That orb was a drawing mistake. Prior and after that moment, Madara was never shown with an orb when absorbing a Jutsu, except that instant whereas Nagato was always either himself or through Gakido Pain. So it's pretty obvious the orb in that scan was a mistake, as Kishimoto made drawing mistakes a lot. I'll point out examples:

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] Madara isn't shown with an orb when absorbing FRS. Compare that to the scan you posted for Pain.

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] Not shown with an orb when absorbing Jinton.

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] Not shown with an orb when absorbing Amatersu, and added with the fact he was blind, thus making your presumption of him using Preta Path invalid, if he could absorb Jutsu while blind.

I want to also add on few things:

1. Nagato has shown no limit when absorbing techniques. ET Madara's limit was FRS; if he was actually using Gakido, he would make no such statement.

2. Nagato could use Gakido with other techniques simultaneously. ET Madara couldn't absorb and use Susanoo at the same time.

3. Blind Madara was absorbing techniques with no eyes. You want to claim Blind Madara has Preta Path too? The fact of the matter that he could absorb while blind invalidates that he was using Gakido with Rinnegan.

4. Databook lists Nagato as sole user of Gakido.

The only similar absorption trait Nagato and Madara had was both required Rinnegan to absorb, but that trait can be said for Momoshiki as well. Everything else was different. There is no concrete proof he had Gakido, especially if he could absorb whilst blind.

Well, you're still doing better job, than some guy that tried to convince me that Madara was using Susanoo in my scan.

Drawing mistake is it then? Let's see

First and 2nd scan with FRS and Jinton are both drawn after the absorption is already done, hence no orb is present. As in opposite to my scan, where Madara is in the middle of absorbing.

I give it the 3rd to you, I don't know what did Madara use there to get rid of amaterasu, neither I can explain it, it makes no sense to me.

1. The statement "too much energy" was already discussed a lot here, I see no point of repeating it.

2. True, but just because Nagato used it once in conjuction with other techniques, it doesn't mean it became a completely different jutsu after that moment and changed some rules which define it. Preta path = Orb which sucks away jutsu, or it can be used to steal chakra from people's body while making physical contact like Nagato did to Bee and Sasuke did to Naruto.

3. We don't know what did he use to absorb amaterasu, but surely it wasn't preta. We had a full view, right from the start when he got hit to the point after ama was absorbed, neither Madara's hand was raised or preta's path orb was present there.

4. I believe you're reffering to third databook. Yes Nagato is the only listed user because it only covers chapters 245 to 402.

 

[Prince Badman]

That orb was a drawing mistake. Prior and after that moment, Madara was never shown with an orb when absorbing a Jutsu, except that instant whereas Nagato was always either himself or through Gakido Pain. So it's pretty obvious the orb in that scan was a mistake, as Kishimoto made drawing mistakes a lot. I'll point out examples:

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] Madara isn't shown with an orb when absorbing FRS. Compare that to the scan you posted for Pain.

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] Not shown with an orb when absorbing Jinton.

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] Not shown with an orb when absorbing Amatersu, and added with the fact he was blind, thus making your presumption of him using Preta Path invalid, if he could absorb Jutsu while blind.

I want to also add on few things:

1. Nagato has shown no limit when absorbing techniques. ET Madara's limit was FRS; if he was actually using Gakido, he would make no such statement.

2. Nagato could use Gakido with other techniques simultaneously. ET Madara couldn't absorb and use Susanoo at the same time.

3. Blind Madara was absorbing techniques with no eyes. You want to claim Blind Madara has Preta Path too? The fact of the matter that he could absorb while blind invalidates that he was using Gakido with Rinnegan.

4. Databook lists Nagato as sole user of Gakido.

The only similar absorption trait Nagato and Madara had was both required Rinnegan to absorb, but that trait can be said for Momoshiki as well. Everything else was different. There is no concrete proof he had Gakido, especially if he could absorb whilst blind.

wasn't the rinnegan that Nagato used originally Madara's....so why on earth wouldn't he be able to use same jutsus as Nagato??????

 

[Prince Badman]

i think bz said shinju+kaguya=juubi

naah Kaguya and Shinju are different.......Madara told Hashi that Shinju was the original form of juubi

 

[Silva Aka]

wasn't the rinnegan that Nagato used originally Madara's....so why on earth wouldn't he be able to use same jutsus as Nagato??????

Right the guy has several excuses LOL. Rinnegan = Six paths + Seventh Path power. All jutsu of Rinnegan is available to All users. I think Obito has stated he can use Ningendo(Human Path) on a victim to draw out information. I bet Edogawa will find an excuse for that also Lol.

 

[Prince Badman]

Right the guy has several excuses LOL. Rinnegan = Six paths + Seventh Path power. All jutsu of Rinnegan is available to All users. I think Obito has stated he can use Ningendo(Human Path) on a victim to draw out information. I bet Edogawa will find an excuse for that also Lol.

dunno about Obito but he did create six paths using Edo jinchuriki....although he did not use them, if he did it would have been epic

 

[Silva Aka]

dunno about Obito but he did create six paths using Edo jinchuriki....although he did not use them, if he did it would have been epic

Obito claimed he can use Ningendo to Kabuto.

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[Edogawa]

First and 2nd scan with FRS and Jinton are both drawn after the absorption is already done, hence no orb is present. As in opposite to my scan, where Madara is in the middle of absorbing.

Not true. I'll show comparisons:

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1. Bottom left panel, FRS was absorbed and the orb was still activated (look closely).
2. First top right panel shows the orb is still in effect after absorbing Rasengan and Chakra Arm.

I give it the 3rd to you, I don't know what did Madara use there to get rid of amaterasu, neither I can explain it, it makes no sense to me.

Naruto said it was the same absorption he used while ET, so it can't be Gakido otherwise Naruto would have said so.

1. The statement "too much energy" was already discussed a lot here, I see no point of repeating it.

Discussed by who? Denials with illiterate interpretation of the sentence, like that fellow. The statement literally means FRS is the max thing he could absorb. If you don't see any point in discussing it, then you agree whatever absorption he's doing is different from Nagato's, if he's gonna make a statement.

2. True, but just because Nagato used it once in conjuction with other techniques, it doesn't mean it became a completely different jutsu after that moment and changed some rules which define it. Preta path = Orb which sucks away jutsu, or it can be used to steal chakra from people's body while making physical contact like Nagato did to Bee and Sasuke did to Naruto.

If Madara is using Gakido, then he wouldn't complain about not being able to absorb and use technique at the same time. So yes, there is difference in their absorption.

3. We don't know what did he use to absorb amaterasu, but surely it wasn't preta. We had a full view, right from the start when he got hit to the point after ama was absorbed, neither Madara's hand was raised or preta's path orb was present there.

Which still undermines your points, not to mention Naruto's statement.

4. I believe you're reffering to third databook. Yes Nagato is the only listed user because it only covers chapters 245 to 402.

Databook 4 covers up to Naruto The Last and still lists Nagato as sole user of the 6 Paths, e.g. ST/BT, Animal Path, Naraka Path etc.

 

[Edogawa]

wasn't the rinnegan that Nagato used originally Madara's....so why on earth wouldn't he be able to use same jutsus as Nagato??????

He was never implied or shown to use them, even in the upmost circumstances. What stopped him from using the paths? Also, I think it's stupid to think Nagato couldn't create his own techniques, even with Madara's Rinnegan.

 

[Warlocks]

naah Kaguya and Shinju are different.......Madara told Hashi that Shinju was the original form of juubi

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[Silva Aka]

He was never implied or shown to use them, even in the upmost circumstances. What stopped him from using the paths? Also, I think it's stupid to think Nagato couldn't create his own techniques, even with Madara's Rinnegan.

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