Difference Between Sarada and Sakura. How Sarada could potentially be Worse

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No offense but the only mary sue i see here is boruto.
Well yeah one has so far unlocked the normal lowest form of the sharingan at a normal age for an Uchiha to unlock the sharingan and that is the inherited ability she has so far. The other get's a retconned never before seen eye technique that maybe the key to saving the world randomly as like a 10 year old. He also get's a random alien ghost seal of likely extreme power because he so called killed a god in a super forced scene put there so he could beat the bad guy with a rasengan just like Naruto did in his movies. Boruto also is able to put his own element into his rasengan almost immediately without trying while only Naruto could do that before with it taking a very unique training regiment and very hard work to achieve it himself. So who is the Sue really?
 
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Well yeah one has so far unlocked the normal lowest form of the sharingan at a normal age for an Uchiha to unlock the sharingan and that is the inherited ability she has so far. The other get's a retconned never before seen eye technique that maybe the key to saving the world randomly as like a 10 year old. He also get's a random alien ghost seal of likely extreme power because he so called killed a god in a super forced scene put there so he could beat the bad guy with a rasengan just like Naruto did in his movies. Boruto also is able to put his own element into his rasengan almost immediately without trying while only Naruto could do that before with it taking a very unique training regiment and very hard work to achieve it himself. So who is the Sue really?
Better not tell that to his fans they'll get :salt:y
On a more serious note some of the forced scenes made me laugh.
 

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Well yeah one has so far unlocked the normal lowest form of the sharingan
Which beat a bunch of MS Sharingan users

The other get's a retconned never before seen eye
Your acting as if most of the Dojutsu's in the series spawned from the first chapter of the story. I don't see you complaining about Mitsuki's new Sage Mode, lol.


technique that maybe the key to saving the world randomly as like a 10 year old.
What?

He also get's a random alien ghost seal of likely extreme power because he so called killed a god
Boruto got cursed from being the one who killed Momoshiki. Kawaki and Jigen also have the same seals.

Boruto also is able to put his own element into his rasengan almost immediately without trying
Boruto trained for a week straight in order to complete his Rasengan.

while only Naruto could do that before with it taking a very unique training regiment and very hard work to achieve it himself.
Naruto created a Futon Rasen Shurien, which was capable of destroying someone's chakra network. While Boruto, created a Rasengan that turns invisible, and dented a tree.


So who is the Sue really?
Probably the person who defeated a room full of MS Sharingan users after losing to them their first try, defeated a Chunin-level opponent by themselves in the Academy, somehow has better Sharingan feats than any other Uchiha before her, activated the Sharingan apparently out of nowhere because 'Sasuke left' instead of it happening naturally like everyone else, and did I mention that Sarada learned Shippuden level Sakura CES before she graduated?

Oh yeah :coffee:
 

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^ The reach with this fap. :lmao:

Well yeah one has so far unlocked the normal lowest form of the sharingan at a normal age for an Uchiha to unlock the sharingan and that is the inherited ability she has so far. The other get's a retconned never before seen eye technique that maybe the key to saving the world randomly as like a 10 year old. He also get's a random alien ghost seal of likely extreme power because he so called killed a god in a super forced scene put there so he could beat the bad guy with a rasengan just like Naruto did in his movies. Boruto also is able to put his own element into his rasengan almost immediately without trying while only Naruto could do that before with it taking a very unique training regiment and very hard work to achieve it himself. So who is the Sue really?
Lol pretty much as you listed. I dont believe anyone is but if there must be one in the series it's obviously him.

- destined child
- god seeks him out
- exclusive dojutsu
- non trackable rasengan.
- effortlessly perfect prodigy in ninjutsu so early on.
- sasukes butt buddy student

It's hilarious how hard they have to try to impress us. Meanwhile all sarada and himi has to do is just trigger their dojutsu activation and do one basic clan ability yet still be more badass. :lol:
 
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Lol pretty much as you listed. I dont believe anyone is but if there must be one in the series it's obviously him.
If we are talking about Mary Sue, that entitles a character being perfect, no? I don't really see how a character who needed to cheat in the examinations its perfect. But alas...

- destined child


- god seeks him out
What?

- exclusive dojutsu
There are multiple characters in this series with exclusive powers.

- non trackable rasengan.
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- effortlessly perfect prodigy in ninjutsu so early on.
So was Sasuke?

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- sasukes butt buddy student
Wow....
 

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I do agree to a certaint extent that Boruto has some Gary Stu qualities. Not hating, but it's true.

.Everything is coming to him easily without struggle
.Everyone seems to love/like him as a reminisce to Naruto
.He's an acclaimed genius and at the top of his class
.He has the power of Friendship

Boruto just has it way too easy, which is why he's disliked all over Youtube and other forums.
 
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If we are talking about Mary Sue, that entitles a character being perfect, no? I don't really see how a character who needed to cheat in the examinations its perfect. But alas...
Less to do with perfect and more to do with self-insertion to the plot. Almost like an immediate proxy for the author and while naruto/edo itachi was kinda the same in pt2 it was no where as transparent as boruto's until chptr 500'ish (maybe even later). Anyway the exam was forced as hell to get him to become the quick prodigy that he already was.

same shit different name. Cursed fate, destined fate. I.e ridiculous lengths to validate a character from the rest.

What?

There are multiple characters in this series with exclusive powers.
-_- No one on that planet ever had jougan whatever the hell its called so where is your list? Hashi? You're going to use hashi the known god of shinobi or someone comparable as your example of boruto being less sue'ish. Ok.


Meanwhile narusasu had to be the strongest living ninja. 2. Obtain required chakra. 3. "Die" . all just to meet hagoromo. They had to work their ass to the top to obtain abilities from a god not the other way around.


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Funny quote when you look back and realized this genin successfully landed this "trajectory" on a god whose reflexes quick enough to rival the fastest blitzer in the series. (Sasuke)

So was Sasuke?

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Look, my argument isn't he need to be fodder. My argument is he needed to build up to this point with opposing challenges and I'm glad you brought up sasuke. Boruto effortlessly has two elements at the age of 12 almost immidately meanwhile a legit dojutsu user has to go leap and bounds, from intense manga development down to getting his ass kicked by lee to eventually progress in learning chidori. This ike guy is just handing boruto stuff like it's candy and now desperately has to play the quick catch up game with sarada to balance out his nonsense. Terrible writing, late 4th ninja war arc quality all over again. Maybe even worst.


Over his own daughter. Wow indeed


You know that old saying when people said naruto is only op and effortlessly superior to everyone else because it's the title of the series? That was bs but in this case it just might be true for boruto.
 
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Okay character, but I have almost no interest in her goal progression and that's solely because there isn't anything going on for her right now. She wants to become Hokage, which will happen later down the road anyway and since everybody is trying to get stronger, that doesn't even make it special. Naruto tried to get aknowledged and was the weak shinobi who trained the whole time to catch up with his rival Sasuke and in part 2, his main goal besides getting Hokage was to bring Sasuke back. Sasuke trained because he wanted to kill Itachi and to revenge/rebuild his clan later in the series and to change the shinobi system. And even Sakura tried to catch up with the boys and to get a good supporter. Now what got Sarada? Training to get Hokage. Getting aknowledged first could help her but wouldn't be as significant like in Naruto's case, who was hated before.

The only thing I would be excited over her would be when she'll learn about the Uchiha past. She could change her opinion towards a Hokage and could keep revenge, but I don't know if that's suiting her character. Besides that, I can't see her potential as a character except getting stronger and stronger and being another Uchiha. And that needs to change hopefully when Kawaki wants to destroy her beloved village.

In the manga right now she's just "there". I have a similiar feeling towards Mitsuki but there's more of a potential to tell a more original story. It wouldn't be a problem if they were side characters, but they're not, they're main characters we'll probably see more than anyone else.
 

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But there is no different beside kkg , Kakashi literally stated in part 1 during the tree climbing excercise that Sakura could theoretically learn any jutsu she wanted.
The thing about having perfect chakra control, super intellegence, and high mental resistance is that you don't have any weaknesses, the. She happens to be a taijutsu speCialist,

Sakura literally had to be nerfed or the plot wouldn't have went anywhere, Sakura was literally the most talented person on team 7. She replicated a Sanins skills set in 2 years,
 

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Less to do with perfect and more to do with self-insertion to the plot. Almost like an immediate proxy for the author and while naruto/edo itachi was kinda the same in pt2 it was no where as transparent as boruto's until chptr 500'ish (maybe even later). Anyway the exam was forced as hell to get him to become the quick prodigy that he already was.
Good point. Though honestly, Itachi/Naruto had few "negative" aspects to their characters at those points in the story. Whereas Boruto is just a brat, immature, ungrateful, etc. You know the jist. He's hardly near any standard. The examination provided a lool at his mindset, and that he was holding himself back. We at least have to agree at the fundamentals here.



same shit different name. Cursed fate, destined fate. I.e ridiculous lengths to validate a character from the rest.
Is that a bad thing though? Boruto was gonna hold that title as MC amyway. It barely effected Naruto/Sasuke, only when dealing with previous contradictions about "fate not being an advocate for his future" or saving the world via God hand outs.

At least here we get a negative connotation that it's bad.



-_- No one on that planet ever had jougan whatever the hell its called so where is your list? Hashi? You're going to use hashi the known god of shinobi or someone comparable as your example of boruto being less sue'ish. Ok.
If that was the case, how would Toneri know about the Jougan bro?

In terms of original powers, I was gonna run them along generally via entire series. Most prominent characters have their own unique powers/techniques that can't be easily obtained. For example, Deidara's art being a ninja form he uses specifically. Or Kakuzu's heart stealing abilities. Even Jashinism seems codependent on Hidan so far.

Eh... I just don't see an issue with bringing new stuff on the table. There's also this weird girl in Kara who appears to have a unique set of eyes. So maybe another Dojutsu? Who knows.


Meanwhile narusasu had to be the strongest living ninja. 2. Obtain required chakra. 3. "Die" . all just to meet hagoromo. They had to work their ass to the top to obtain abilities from a god not the other way around.
You right. But Boruto wasn't handed power like that - Momoshiki sought him out after Boruto felt his presence. There's also this underlying subtext that we are missing the bigger picture. Wheras a villain gave Boruto a seal Sasuke/Naruto are worried about, and the only existing characters who have it are both presumably villainous: Jigen, and Kawaki.

In that contrast Naruto and Sasuke were given powers in order to stop Madara (and Kaguya).




Funny quote when you look back and realized this genin successfully landed this "trajectory" on a god whose reflexes quick enough to rival the fastest blitzer in the series. (Sasuke)
Do you mean his Rasengan? Momoshiki thought it disappeared, and let his guard down lmao.





Look, my argument isn't he need to be fodder. My argument is he needed to build up to this point with opposing challenges and I'm glad you brought up sasuke. Boruto effortlessly has two elements at the age of 12 almost immidately meanwhile a legit dojutsu user has to go leap and bounds, from intense manga development down to getting his ass kicked by lee to eventually progress in learning chidori. This ike guy is just handing boruto stuff like it's candy and now desperately has to play the quick catch up game with sarada to balance out his nonsense. Terrible writing, late 4th ninja war arc quality all over again. Maybe even worst.
I can't post scans on mobile ATM, but I will send them to you later to confirm that I'm not lying to you.

1. Boruto stated he was practicing his ninjutsu abilities over the mini skip between Academy - Gaiden - Mist Arcs.

2. Konohamaru was stated to be the one who helped Boruto learn to utilize his natures via Manga.

After the CE, Naruro clarified that he had been training hard too. Though the disappoints is based on that most of the training is off screen ATM.

In any case, elemental natures in Boruto seem like a joke.

Iwabee had Earth Release Academy Arc
Sumire had Water Release
Mitsuki had lightning and wind too.
Random side fodders using elements in the academy, like the one guy Mitsuki beat up when Boruto met him the first time.

You get my drift.




Over his own daughter. Wow indeed
How do we know Sasuke isn't training Sarada? In any case, Sasuke stepped in for Boruto like Naruto did for Sarada. I don't see the big deal unless we see Sasuke intentionally choosing one over the other. In any case Sasuke hasn't trained with Boruto since the film, so we might not see that until the Part 1 ending like Naruto did.

Presumably the other characters might go off and find their masters too. Maybe.


You know that old saying when people said naruto is only op and effortlessly superior to everyone else because it's the title of the series? That was bs but in this case it just might be true for boruto.
Well Boruto is strong no doubt, but he ain't number one yet.

Mitsuki has SM, and Sarada is near his level. Outside of them, no one else in their gen stacks up IMO.

The time skip Boruto will probably be one of the strongest in his gen. Maybe.

Tell me what you think. Sorry for any spelling mistakes in adv guys.

On mobile. Shit is annoying af

Everything is coming to him easily without struggle
Eh. Boruto was struggling with learning Mitsuki's wind technique, and he had a poor man's Rasengan in the film.

Everyone seems to love/like him as a reminisce to Naruto
People disliked Boruto in the first few episodes, but when they got to know him, it was clear.

On that side... I don't think there is any character that is hated IMO via context between characters.

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He's an acclaimed genius and at the top of his class
One of top, Sarada is the honor student of their graduation class. Plus we know what happens to Boruto later down the line: Needing to cheat.

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He has the power of Friendship
XD You killing me!!

Boruto just has it way too easy, which is why he's disliked all over Youtube and other forums.[/SIZE]
I disagree. He's well liked, especially the Manga version. People just don't like him disrespecting his old man. It's a shame, but what can you do?
 

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Less to do with perfect and more to do with self-insertion to the plot. Almost like an immediate proxy for the author and while naruto/edo itachi was kinda the same in pt2 it was no where as transparent as boruto's until chptr 500'ish (maybe even later). Anyway the exam was forced as hell to get him to become the quick prodigy that he already was.



same shit different name. Cursed fate, destined fate. I.e ridiculous lengths to validate a character from the rest.

What?



-_- No one on that planet ever had jougan whatever the hell its called so where is your list? Hashi? You're going to use hashi the known god of shinobi or someone comparable as your example of boruto being less sue'ish. Ok.


Meanwhile narusasu had to be the strongest living ninja. 2. Obtain required chakra. 3. "Die" . all just to meet hagoromo. They had to work their ass to the top to obtain abilities from a god not the other way around.




Funny quote when you look back and realized this genin successfully landed this "trajectory" on a god whose reflexes quick enough to rival the fastest blitzer in the series. (Sasuke)



Look, my argument isn't he need to be fodder. My argument is he needed to build up to this point with opposing challenges and I'm glad you brought up sasuke. Boruto effortlessly has two elements at the age of 12 almost immidately meanwhile a legit dojutsu user has to go leap and bounds, from intense manga development down to getting his ass kicked by lee to eventually progress in learning chidori. This ike guy is just handing boruto stuff like it's candy and now desperately has to play the quick catch up game with sarada to balance out his nonsense. Terrible writing, late 4th ninja war arc quality all over again. Maybe even worst.




Over his own daughter. Wow indeed


You know that old saying when people said naruto is only op and effortlessly superior to everyone else because it's the title of the series? That was bs but in this case it just might be true for boruto.
I cant disagree with facts, what did you expect of the Gary Stu type character, he fullfill all the hopes of the Naru/Hina fans. Things come easy to him, he demonstrated skills and abilities which even his classmates acknowledge, he busts out TNJ with such maturity. Being the main character he gets most of the focus so people label side characters as Mary Sue/Gary Stu because we don't know all the struggles they go through or their imperfections. These jokers make me laugh with their try hard BS.
 

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Characters without struggles have Mary Sue traits. I don't think anyone is a Stu yet, although, your being slightly bias in this case.

We can admit characters suck in areas. Sarada is perfect, name me one flaw she has currently.

Even if you cant, that's fine. The story isn't over. But we can talk about it currently.

Sarad busting out Shippuden level strength and defeating countless MS sharingans in the Academy is the biggest sue offender this series has.

Again, we gotta be fair here. Not saying anyone is perfect but BS is BS.
 

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I do agree to a certaint extent that Boruto has some Gary Stu qualities. Not hating, but it's true.

.Everything is coming to him easily without struggle
.Everyone seems to love/like him as a reminisce to Naruto
.He's an acclaimed genius and at the top of his class
.He has the power of Friendship

Boruto just has it way too easy, which is why he's disliked all over Youtube and other forums.
Nah. People just jumping guns and acting as if they understand what a Mary sue or Gary stu is. Half the people using these terms can be found ranting at mangaka for not turning their favourite in to a Stu and don't even notice it.
 

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Nah. People just jumping guns and acting as if they understand what a Mary sue or Gary stu is. Half the people using these terms can be found ranting at mangaka for not turning their favourite in to a Stu and don't even notice it.
Can you explain it then? I kinda want an outside opinion on this topic.
 

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Characters without struggles have Mary Sue traits. I don't think anyone is a Stu yet, although, your being slightly bias in this case.

We can admit characters suck in areas. Sarada is perfect, name me one flaw she has currently.

Even if you cant, that's fine. The story isn't over. But we can talk about it currently.

Sarad busting out Shippuden level strength and defeating countless MS sharingans in the Academy is the biggest sue offender this series has.

Again, we gotta be fair here. Not saying anyone is perfect but BS is BS.
It's like your logical abilities take a vacation when it comes to the S word. She is properly trained and an Uchiha. The countless MS sharingan clones were not defeated by her alone either as far as I can remember. She was saved by Naruto and in the end Naruto scared them in to submission using Kurama I think. Can you link this special arc where she achieved that feat alone?
 

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It's like your logical abilities take a vacation when it comes to the S word. She is properly trained and an Uchiha. The countless MS sharingan clones were not defeated by her alone either as far as I can remember. She was saved by Naruto and in the end Naruto scared them in to submission using Kurama I think.

Can you link this special arc where she achieved that feat alone?
Who is properly trained to defeat a single MS Sharingan user, let alone a bunch of them, as an Academy student?

Granted I never said Salad defeated them all. Plus, Sarada was never saved by Naruto after the fact. She stepped in and protected Sakura. I'm talking about when they decided to rescue her, after she dealt with her DNA issue.

I think it was Chapter 8 or 9 of the Gaiden.
 

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Characters without struggles have Mary Sue traits. I don't think anyone is a Stu yet, although, your being slightly bias in this case.

We can admit characters suck in areas. Sarada is perfect, name me one flaw she has currently.

Even if you cant, that's fine. The story isn't over. But we can talk about it currently.

Sarad busting out Shippuden level strength and defeating countless MS sharingans in the Academy is the biggest sue offender this series has.

Again, we gotta be fair here. Not saying anyone is perfect but BS is BS.
Nah. You just failed to pick on the flaws.

Sarada wears glasses- physical handicap/ flaw. It's too early to comment on how these characters will be shaped finally but, Sarada has other flaws- she hides her weakness by wearing an attitude at times - like in one anime episode when she was trying to learn to balance on water - she lost control and was noticed by Boruto and friends. She acted as if somehow they were at fault for questioning her presence to silence them. This personality quirk can be attributed to both of her parents. She also has her moments of insecurities.

Otherwise a character wearing too obvious flaws on the sleeve for the sake of it, is also an example of weak writing. It shouldn't be forced in the story.

Who is properly trained to defeat a single MS Sharingan user, let alone a bunch of them, as an Academy student?

Granted I never said Salad defeated them all. Plus, Sarada was never saved by Naruto after the fact. She stepped in and protected Sakura. I'm talking about when they decided to rescue her, after she dealt with her DNA issue.

I think it was Chapter 8 or 9 of the Gaiden.
She was not facing them alone even if she landed some blow in the end. Find the page you are referring to then we can talk further.
 
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I don't think things can get any worse than Sakura as the MC. Sarada would do just fine with Sasuke's talents and a much better and tolerable personality.

And her goal of becoming a hokage is much better than chasing after a boy to get his affection without caring much about anything else.

Looking forward to Sarada's growth as a character.
 
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