Highest W/L ratio

[salamander uchiha]

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Yeah he said he forgot. It more or less has to do with what went down in Kirigakure.

If he for instance, had a regular field trip, then he probably would have remembered.


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Boruto using his own formula to solve a math problem, to do it faster, than using textbook. Cheating is where you literally break the rules, in order to accomplish something else.

Whereas Boruto isn't a cheater, but he takes short cuts. That's the difference.

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Hope this clears it up for you.


Uzumaki are known for their longevity. Boruto being an Uzumaki, means that he would have better stamina than that of a regular person who isn't an Uzumaki, for example.


I don't really care for the excuse tbh. Unless your implying that Boruto is as fast as Naruto, or that Moegi/Konohamaru are smarter than Sasuke, then zip up your pride and accept those stats are BS like everyone else has.

It didn't address the points except the one about forgetting but thanks for your reply.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

W's: Sarada, Mitsuki, Itachi

L's: Hinata, Hiashi (probably) and Naruto

 

[lndra]

It didn't address the points except the one about forgetting but thanks for your reply.

Pretty sure it was addressed in the Anime. But I'll take that you agree with everything else I said, so thank you for the discussion ^_^ ~

 

[salamander uchiha]

Pretty sure it was addressed in the Anime. But I'll take that you agree with everything else I said, so thank you for the discussion ^_^ ~

Not everything(except Himawari)since I'm not interested in a back and for the exchange at the moment.

 

[lndra]

Not everything(except Himawari)since I'm not interested in a back and for the exchange at the moment.

Well if you get a chance, I'm waiting for the counter argument whenever.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Well if you get a chance, I'm waiting for the counter argument whenever.

There's not much to counter since most of what you say doesn't involve Boruto's cheater phase. Him using another method to solve a problem isnt cheating or a short cut its what he's learnt. I've not once critises him for that. And their isn't proof of Uzumaki stamina/chakra being superior to others especially for a 1/4 uzumaki that's speculative. The databook contains the authors portrayal not ours.
Anyway it'll lead to a back and forth exchange which will be a waste of time.

Like I said there's not much to counter.

 

[lndra]

There's not much to counter since most of what you say doesn't involve Boruto's cheater phase.

Duh since Boruto isn't a cheater to begin with. Using a short cut isn't really the same as cheating, the Anime already explained that.

Him using another method to solve a problem isnt cheating or a short cut its what hes learnt

I'm having trouble figuring out if you're actually reading or not.

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And their isn't proof of Uzumaki stamina/chakra being superior to others especially for a 1/4 uzumaki that's speculative. The databook contains the authors portrayal not ours.

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Plus, I'm not sure if pay attention to context clues or not, but most if not all Uzumaki Clan members have shown to be special in some type of way in regards to their prowess via bodily capabilities. Like Kushina, for example.

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I'm not sure if you would define that as stamina, or whatnot. But unless your implying that anyone but an Uzumaki member can survive such measures, even for a second, then your highly mistaken. So if you have some overwhelming points to prove otherwise, then...

Like I said there's not much to counter.

It was pretty easy.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

The most wins is Madara . Its a ****ing manga fact.


That Maddy

Ty and Madara rules

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[salamander uchiha]

Duh since Boruto isn't a cheater to begin with. Using a short cut isn't really the same as cheating, the Anime already explained that.



I'm having trouble figuring out if you're actually reading or not.

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Plus, I'm not sure if pay attention to context clues or not, but most if not all Uzumaki Clan members have shown to be special in some type of way in regards to their prowess via bodily capabilities. Like Kushina, for example.

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I'm not sure if you would define that as stamina, or whatnot. But unless your implying that anyone but an Uzumaki member can survive such measures, even for a second, then your highly mistaken. So if you have some overwhelming points to prove otherwise, then...


It was pretty easy.

Boruto is a cheater because he cheated. He went through that phase did he not? Did he use cheat codes for a game? Did he cheat in the Chunin exam? If he did he's a cheater isn't he? I accept he's moved on from that phase due to Sasuke's mentoring but he can still be referred to as a cheater since he did it.

I've read what you've written and a short cut is different to cheating? I think your trying to use the excuse of the short cut to justify his cheating phase as not being cheating?

I've said it before the uzumaki have strong lifeforce and they're famous for that not large chakra reserves/stamina. I'll repeat that for you. Kushina survived kyubi extraction, half uzumaki Naruto pretty much died and 1/4 uzumaki would be pretty much normal in that aspect. If the trend continues.

Like I said the databook confirms what the author wants to tell us about his manga and his characters.

The most wins is Madara . Its a ****ing manga fact.


That Maddy

Ty and Madara rules

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I can't disagree with facts Madara sama solo'd pretty much an entire division in 1 shot.

 

[Cariostar]

The ghost arc was referred to as being canon the filler parts are those which contradict the manga.

If the Ghost Arc is canon (which it isn't) because "it was referred as it", then the whole arc would be canon, not what the fanbase says that is canon, that's just being selective as hell.

As an example Sarada has a high level mastery of shuriken skills

In canon, we only know that Sarada's specially is Shuriken Jutsu, not her level with them.

Sarada has Sakura's chakra control

I guest?

and Sasuke's talent

When was this stated?

so anything which contradicts that is filler.

Everything is filler. Contradiction or not.

Even Gaiden is canon but added parts to that are filler.

So?

As for The whole post it clears up everything

It doesn't.

But now it results that you're just literally saying that Sarada's low-end feats are filler but her high-end feats aren't

Sarada also has Sakura's chakra control and Sasuke's talent confirmed so we know parts which portray her as bad are filler and which portray her with peak skills are factual.

because the supposedly canon arc it's not really canon, it only comes to be canon when it comes to parts that you consider to be canon.

 

[lndra]

Boruto is a cheater because he cheated.

I'd say Boruto Movie 'Boruto' is a cheater, but that's also hard to say since he didn't go after the Kote device. It went to him, and he made the wrong choices after.

If Katasuke never intervened, Boruto wouldn't have used it, for example. Like I wouldn't necessarily call Naruto someone who 'steals' things because Mizuki tricked him into getting the Forbidden Scroll, for example.

He went through that phase did he not? Did he use cheat codes for a game?

Wouldn't that classify more as a short cut? The whole purpose was to give Boruto a modification in order to reach level 99, and at the same time, Boruto wasn't doing this. Katasuke was nursing that aspect too.

I accept he's moved on from that phase due to Sasuke's mentoring but he can still be referred to as a cheater since he did it.

The only aspect that he's moved on from is not half-assing anything and going through hard work to accomplish things by himself. The real problems of the film in regards to cheating is more so what he did after being manipulated. Rather than it just being a character flaw.

I've read what you've written and a short cut is different to cheating?

> Solves a math problem using his own formula to accomplish things faster

That wouldn't be classified as a cheat, but a short cut. A cheat would be:

> Boruto using a calculator to solve a math problem, when he wasn't supposed to. Or copying someone else's answers. In example.

He was never presented as that type of guy lol.

I've said it before the uzumaki have strong lifeforce and they're famous for that not large chakra reserves/stamina. I'll repeat that for you. Kushina survived kyubi extraction half uzumaki Naruto pretty much died and 1/4 uzumaki would be pretty much normal in that aspect. If the trend continues.

Pretty much what I'm trying to tell you. The Uzumaki Clan are a force to be reckon with via bodily powers, even more so than the Senju themselves bar Hashirama. Kushina, Nagato, and even Karin somewhat have impressive feats body wise.

Despite Naruto only lasting a few seconds after being stripped of Kurama, he was still capable of housing Kurama where most people wouldn't have the potential. Boruto as well, has the same blood running his veins. Definitely not as perfect as Naruto, definitely not even close to Kushina.

But compared to everyone else who isn't an Uzumaki? It's pretty obvious. They are known for their stamina, otherwise, most of their feats wouldn't be comprehensible.

 

[salamander uchiha]

If the Ghost Arc is canon (which it isn't) because "it was referred as it", then the whole arc would be canon, not what the fanbase says that is canon, that's just being selective as hell.



In canon, we only know that Sarada's specially is Shuriken Jutsu, not her level with them.



I guest?



When was this stated?



Everything is filler. Contradiction or not.



So?



It doesn't.

But now it results that you're just literally saying that Sarada's low-end feats are filler but her high-end feats aren't



because the supposedly canon arc it's not really canon, it only comes to be canon when it comes to parts that you consider to be canon.

You've definitely not understood my post otherwise you wouldn't have posted such a reply.
I'll put it simply can a canon and does a canon arc have filler in it? Yes or No.

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For Sarada's shuriken skills she has 4/5 stars for marksmanship in the Boruto databook and in the Boruto Movie when Sasuke''s trying to teach Boruto advanced shuriken skills he(Boruto) confirms that's Sarada's speciality.

I'm not going to post much more read over the post in the proper context.

 

[LeSauce]

Ewwww, this thread is filled with a whole bunch of filler/new generation talk.

Is this what NB has come to? People just talking about a flipping cash grab as if it matters?

 

[salamander uchiha]

I'd say Boruto Movie 'Boruto' is a cheater, but that's also hard to say since he didn't go after the Kote device. It went to him, and he made the wrong choices after.

If Katasuke never intervened, Boruto wouldn't have used it, for example. Like I wouldn't necessarily call Naruto someone who 'steals' things because Mizuki tricked him into getting the Forbidden Scroll, for example.



Wouldn't that classify more as a short cut? The whole purpose was to give Boruto a modification in order to reach level 99, and at the same time, Boruto wasn't doing this. Katasuke was nursing that aspect too.


The only aspect that he's moved on from is not half-assing anything and going through hard work to accomplish things by himself. The real problems of the film in regards to cheating is more so what he did after being manipulated. Rather than it just being a character flaw.


> Solves a math problem using his own formula to accomplish things faster

That wouldn't be classified as a cheat, but a short cut. A cheat would be:

> Boruto using a calculator to solve a math problem, when he wasn't supposed to. Or copying someone else's answers. In example.

He was never presented as that type of guy lol.


Pretty much what I'm trying to tell you. The Uzumaki Clan are a force to be reckon with via bodily powers, even more so than the Senju themselves bar Hashirama. Kushina, Nagato, and even Karin somewhat have impressive feats body wise.

Despite Naruto only lasting a few seconds after being stripped of Kurama, he was still capable of housing Kurama where most people wouldn't have the potential. Boruto as well, has the same blood running his veins. Definitely not as perfect as Naruto, definitely not even close to Kushina.

But compared to everyone else who isn't an Uzumaki? It's pretty obvious. They are known for their stamina, otherwise, most of their feats wouldn't be comprehensible.

This is going backwards and forwards I'm done since I think you really didn't understand my post.

Boruto Movie Boruto is a cheater I'm glad we agree. Using means that break the rules of a game/exam is cheating although it is a type of short cut. Perhaps the confusion lies when all shortcuts are lumped into one category.

I'll repeat Boruto using his own formula to solve a math problem isn't cheating I've stated that several times. It is a type of short cut but it's not breaking any rules.


Lifeforce, body and physical energy are 3 things Ashura had and passed on.

Kushina is a full uzumaki yet doesn't have yang release/physical energy which is responsible for the large chakra reserves and still has strong life force. The 2 aren't connected so surviving extraction to do with lifeforce not yang release or bodily power for which the Uzumaki weren't known for or famous for.

Housing a a tailed beast isn't proof of any of those 3. In fact the root of Naruto's stamina/chakra is confirmed to be the kyubi. Not his partial Uzumaki inheritance that's another point refuting the massive stamina.

Like I said the authors stats reflect what he wants to convey this may and will likely change in the future.

I think I'm done I'm glad we agree on some things.

 

[lndra]

This is going backwards and forwards I'm done since I think you really didn't understand my post.

There's not that much to understand when the argument doesn't really make sense.

Boruto Movie Boruto is a cheater I'm glad we agree.

Didn't really say I agree'd with this tbh 100%.

Using means that break the rules of a game/exam is cheating

This is what cheating is. However, unless its stated anywhere that the game itself says not to do this. Then you have no argument.

Your supposed to play a game how you want to play it, there usually isn't rules unless your playing at a tournament or what-ever.

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although it is a type of short cut. Perhaps the confusion lies when all shortcuts are lumped into one category.

As long as you aren't breaking established rules, like Naruto saying you aren't allowed to to use this tool in the examinations, versus doing something that's easier because you find it so.

I'll repeat Boruto using his own formula to solve a math problem isn't cheating I've stated that several times. It is a type of short cut but it's not breaking any rules.

That's what I said too.

Lifeforce, body and physical energy are 3 things Ashura had and passed on.

Kushina is a full uzumaki yet doesn't have yang release/physical energy which is responsible for the large chakra reserves and still has strong life force. The 2 aren't connected so surviving extraction to do with lifeforce not yang release or bodily power for which the Uzumaki weren't known for or famous for.

I never said that they had large chakra reserves, but they have better stamina than most. Their life force have been shown to be suburb, in fact, they have the best feats bar Hashirama alone.

Housing a a tailed beast isn't proof of any of those 3. In fact the root of Naruto's stamina/chakra is confirmed to be the kyubi. Not his partial Uzumaki inheritance that's another point refuting the massive stamina.

I disagree based on:

1. Yamato saying that Naruto's chakra is what allows him to control the beast. Something along those lines
2. Minato even having trouble with being a Jinchuriki of Kurama at first
3. Kushina stating she needed to have special chakra in order to be a Jinchuriki, which is why Naruto could as well.

Like I said the authors stats reflect what he wants to convey this may and will likely change in the future.

The stats are nonsense, most people will be inclined to agree.

They aren't fit for discussion purposes because they literally make no sense. It's dumb to even bring them up at this point.

 

[Cariostar]

I'll put it simply can a canon and does a canon arc have filler in it? Yes or No.

No. Unless the arc that you are referring as canon is actually an adaption of a canon arc, which is not the case of Ghost Arc.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Ls: Sasuke or Sakura

Wins: Itachi

Ls : Sasuke/Sakura & Sarada ( defeated by Boruto clone )
Wins : Boruto & Naruto

*Naruto.

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nope u really need to reread the manga :lol
sasuke used cm 1st

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2t vs base and still no rage mode and here base naruto was = 2t sasuke

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2t+cm vs base naruto

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naruto used rage mode after sasuke start to using cm+2t
again naruto start to use rage mode against 2t+cm sasuke
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1) Curse Mark level 1 Sasuke outdid Base Naruto.

This/the next page.

https:// mangaseeonline.us/read-online/Naruto-chapter-219-page-7.html

2) Base Sasuke outdid Naruto in Taijutsu. He easily evaded his punch whilst landing his own kick.

This/the next two pages.

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3) Base Sasuke easily speed blitzed Naruto.

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4) Chidori matched Rasengan, proving they're equal in power with those moves.

5) Curse Mark Level One Two Tomoe Sharingan Sasuke owned Base Naruto.

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6) 3 Tomoe Sharingan Sasuke owned Kyuubi Naruto.

This/the next 10 pages.

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7) Curse Mark Level Two Sasuke matched One Tailed Kyuubi Naruto in power and landed the finishing hit.

And Sasuke mistook the 3rd Tomoe's predictive capability as a Curse Mark enhancement..

 

[chaos control]

Highest win ratio goes to Sarada and Itachi. Both have never lost a battle and remain undefeated. Sarada =greatest of new gen. Heir to the sharingan.1 tomoe surpasses all other dojutsu. Then it's madara because he negged your fav (everyone's fav)

1. Itachi lost to Sasuke, to the guy in Itachi Shinden, and he ran from Jiraiya (which may be considered a loss)

2. Sarada has too little fights to really be included. By your logic, Shinki is tied with Sarada (he beat Chouchou), as well as other random shinobi that have only had a small number of fights and won them all. She is very good though (one of the most impressive thus far in the new gen).

3. Madara doesn't solo my fave because Madara is my fave (unless of course he solos himself).

 

[chaos control]

Highest win ratio is Sasuke.

Sasuke has lost to:

Haku, Lee, Gaara, Itachi (part 1), the gokage, Madara, Naruto

He also needed tremendous help against:
Bee, Obito, Kaguya, Momoshiki


Sasuke doesn't have anywhere near the highest win/loss ratio.

 

[Nick01]

Ls : Sasuke/Sakura & Sarada ( defeated by Boruto clone )
Wins : Boruto & Naruto

highest win ratio is boruto,naruto,hinata & himawari

highest loss ratio is -->

sarada vs random fodder

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sarada vs rocks

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sarada vs boruto clone

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now sasuke ---->

defeated by his boss and became a official uzumaki clan underling

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and sakura destroyed by naruto more than twice ( some example )

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Sasuke

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Sarada

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Boruto

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I think the result is pretty clear.

Agreed and

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