Highest W/L ratio

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Didn't really say I agree'd with this tbh 100%.
This is what cheating is. However, unless its stated anywhere that the game itself says not to do this. Then you have no argument.

Your supposed to play a game how you want to play it, there usually isn't rules unless your playing at a tournament or what-ever.

As long as you aren't breaking established rules, like Naruto saying you aren't allowed to to use this tool in the examinations, versus doing something that's easier because you find it so.

I never said that they had large chakra reserves, but they have better stamina than most. Their life force have been shown to be suburb, in fact, they have the best feats bar Hashirama alone.


I disagree based on:

1. Yamato saying that Naruto's chakra is what allows him to control the beast. Something along those lines
2. Minato even having trouble with being a Jinchuriki of Kurama at first
3. Kushina stating she needed to have special chakra in order to be a Jinchuriki, which is why Naruto could as well.


The stats are nonsense, most people will be inclined to agree.

They aren't fit for discussion purposes because they literally make no sense. It's dumb to even bring them up at this point.

Good now we've cleared up that Boruto cheated during the chunin exam we won't be discussing that. Don't try to dance around calling him a cheater I dont.

Kakashi confirms the root of Naruto's stamina is the 9 tails thats self explanatory.

Yamato doesn't overrule Kakashi and he's trying to make Naruto not draw kyubi chakra since he loses control.

Also it's confirmed a little of the kyyubi' s chakra mixes with Naruto's. Coupled with it being the root of his stamina/chakra should tell you he's naturally average if the databook from the statement is taken into consideration.

Kushina's special chakra refers to the chakra chains that suppress Kurama they're part of her seal. However they're not a kekkei Genkai but a hidden jutsu. She has yin release but not yang release so they're like composed of it. By special that is what is meant. She doesn't have the yang release/which is meant to give you physical energy/stamina/chakra. However she has strong lifeforce.

Kushina having special chakra isn't the reason Naruto became a jinchuriki it was because Minato didn't trust anybody else with the 9 tails. Unless you have the scan or databool entry confirming that's the reason he became the Jin.

Minato is irrelevant

Like I've said before strong lifeforce and I'll add Fuinn jutsu but that's about it. No mention of above average stamina or bodily power for them. Like I said if the trend co times Boruto and his gen fall into camp average. From kushina surviving the extraction, Naruto pretty much died being 1/2 uzumaki and Boruto is even less than that. Even if what you say were true he'd be among the average in that regard.

You can consider the databooks what you like but you don't overrule the author and what he considers canon. After all that's why they exist.

 

[lndra]

Good now we've cleared up that Boruto cheated during the chunin exam we won't be discussing that. Don't try to dance around calling him a cheater I dont.

Don't really remember approving or denying this tbh.

Kakashi confirms the root of Naruto's stamina is the 9 tails thats self explanatory.

Why do you think that's the case though?

Yamato doesn't overrule Kakashi and he's trying to make Naruto not draw kyubi chakra since he loses control.

I don't really see how Yamato's statements over or under rule Kakashi since they are refrencing different things.

Also it's confirmed a little of the kyyubi' s chakra mixes with Naruto's. Coupled with it being the root of his stamina/chakra should tell you he's naturally average if the databook from the statement is taken into consideration.

Sure

Kushina's special chakra refers to the chakra chains that suppress Kurama they're part of her seal. However they're not a kekkei Genkai but a hidden jutsu. She has yin release but not yang release so they're like composed of it. By special that is what is meant. She doesn't have the yang release/which is meant to give you physical energy/stamina/chakra. However she has strong lifeforce.

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Kushina having special chakra isn't the reason Naruto became a jinchuriki it was because Minato didn't trust anybody else with the 9 tails. Unless you have the scan or databool entry confirming that's the reason he became the Jin

Kushina's potent chakras is what gave Naruto the ability to even house Kyuubi without much difficulties as a child. No one was talking about 'the reason why he became a Jin'.

Minato is irrelevant

Since we are comparing the stamina of a Uzumaki to someone who isn't an Uzumaki, he's completely relevant.

Like I've said before strong lifeforce and I'll add Fuinn jutsu but that's about it. No mention of above average stamina or bodily power for them. Like I said if the trend co times Boruto and his gen fall into camp average. From kushina surviving the extraction, Naruto pretty much died being 1/2 uzumaki and Boruto is even less than that. Even if what you say were true he'd be among the average in that regard.

I don't think you understand what average is.

High Tier: Uzumaki - Above Average Stamina
Half Uzumaki - Above Average Stamina

Any other Uzumaki descendants: Slightly above Average stamina

Regular Person - Average stamina

Non-Uzumaki members wouldn't have the best stamina in regards to someone who Uzumaki blood, no matter the context.

You can consider the databooks what you like but you don't overrule the author and what he considers canon. After all that's why they exist.

No one is talking about canon, it's called facts and opinions.

The Volume Books can't be said within the same phrase, however. Since they don't apply to real world examples in the story.

Unless your stating that Moegi/Konohamaru are as smart as Sasuke, or that Boruto is faster than Adult Sakura, and just as fast as Naruto. Then you understand my point.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Don't really remember approving or denying this tbh.


Why do you think that's the case though?


I don't really see how Yamato's statements over or under rule Kakashi since they are refrencing different things.


Sure

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Kushina's potent chakras is what gave Naruto the ability to even house Kyuubi without much difficulties as a child. No one was talking about 'the reason why he became a Jin'.


Since we are comparing the stamina of a Uzumaki to someone who isn't an Uzumaki, he's completely relevant.


I don't think you understand what average is.

High Tier: Uzumaki - Above Average Stamina
Half Uzumaki - Above Average Stamina

Any other Uzumaki descendants: Slightly above Average stamina

Regular Person - Average stamina

Non-Uzumaki members wouldn't have the best stamina in regards to someone who Uzumaki blood, no matter the context.


No one is talking about canon, it's called facts and opinions.

The Volume Books can't be said within the same phrase, however. Since they don't apply to real world examples in the story.

Unless your stating that Moegi/Konohamaru are as smart as Sasuke, or that Boruto is faster than Adult Sakura, and just as fast as Naruto. Then you understand my point.

You pretty much admitted it was cheating then tried to make excuses. I accept that as an admission to I don't need you to humble yourself.

Anyeay you've posting nothing but opinion/speculation as evidence I wanted some substantiated facts.

I do know what average is and I was hoping for the scan that confirms the above average stamina of the uzumaki clan.

Others bar a few = normal life force
Full Uzumaki strong lifeforce
1/2 uzumaki slightly above average lifeforce
1/4 Uzumaki likely average or below. But I'll go with average.

Even if they did have above average chakra following this cycle they'd have lesser with every division just as the above example. So Boruto having average stamina is sound.

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Since your forgetting the origin of chakra is stamina and this confirms the root of the stamina.

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What is meant by stamina is confirmed here.

There are many more confirmations in the manga as well.

I look forward to you providing the scans confirming that Naruto can house the kyubi because he's an uzumaki and that is why he was chosen. The scans that confirms Naruto has naturally above average chakra reserves and Uzumaki have them without the kyubi's chakra raising them.

I repeat how did kushina's chakra suppress the 9 tails ? Via the chakra chains of course.

Also the scans that confirm Boruto has them as well because the Boruto databook by the author disagrees with you. Although to say that Sarada and Mitsuki are average isn't really legit either.

As for the databook being inaccurate because of some characters being made stronger and others weaker, then yes the new author is obviously bringing down the level of Sasuke and Naruto so the new gen can shine. He's moving away from kishi to his own style which requires a down grade for OP characters. So that's the authors direction and they are the new official stats whether we like them or not.

This is the reason I didn't want to get into this it'll just be a backwards forward exchange and is fruitless. And we'll have to go over many other subjects moving away from the original points, for which I don't have time to sort through and look for the scans etc.

 

[lndra]

You pretty much admitted it was cheating then tried to make excuses. I accept that as an admission to I don't need you to humble yourself.

Don't really remember any of these accusations. Providing a reason a character does something is not an excuse. Even more so when a character is influenced or being manipulated to do something.

Anyeay you've posting nothing but opinion/speculation as evidence I wanted some substantiated facts.

99% of your arguments are this.

do know what average is and I was hoping for the scan that confirms the above average stamina of the uzumaki clan.

I've already provided evidence in the Manga that Uzumaki's have better stamina than most. Based on the feats from Uzumaki clan remembers.

Did you suddenly forget by Kushina example?

Others bar a few = normal life force
Full Uzumaki strong lifeforce
1/2 uzumaki slightly above average lifeforce
1/4 Uzumaki likely average or below. But I'll go with average

I don't really understand how a 1/4 Uzumaki would have average or below stamina, makes no sense.

Full Uzumaki - Higher than average
Half Uzumaki - Above Average
Uzumaki descendants - Slightly above average
Non Uzumaki - Average

Unless your stating that ALL non-Uzumaki characters in this series have the same stamina has a 1/4 Uzumaki or even close to any Uzumaki descendant, than your highly mistaken.

Even if they did have above average chakra following this cycle they'd have lesser with every division just as the above example. So Boruto having average stamina is sound.

There's nothing really about them having large quantities of chakra tbh. It's more of a fan base opinion rather than a fact, it's just that Naruto has large reserves so they substituted that to all of them.

But in fan fiction land, if the Uzumaki's were known for their large quantites of chakra. Boruto being a descendant of them, would have higher reserves than the average non-Uzumaki person. By per logic.

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Since your forgetting the origin of chakra is stamina and this confirms the root of the stamina.

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What is meant by stamina is confirmed here.

When did I forget this?

I look forward to you providing the scans confirming that Naruto can house the kyubi because he's an uzumaki and that is why he was chosen. The scans that confirms Naruto has naturally above average chakra reserves and Uzumaki have them without the kyubi's chakra raising them.

1. Kushina was chosen to house Kurama because she had the right chakra to

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2. Yamato makes the same reference

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And lastly, no one ever said anything about Naruto being chosen.

I repeat how did kushina's chakra suppress the 9 tails ? Via the chakra chains of course.

Learn how to read

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Also the scans that confirm Boruto has them as well because the Boruto databook by the author disagrees with you. Although to say that Sarada and Mitsuki are average isn't really legit either.

There's really nothing that confirms these stats unless you having evidence to these statements.

I mean does Konohamaru or Moegi have any feats that showcase their intelligence being higher than that of Sasuke?
Is Boruto shown faster than Sakura? On par with Naruto?
Why does Mitsuki have ??? chakra and Naruto/Sasuke have stated chakra, despite the Manga showing that their pools are large.

As for the databook being inaccurate because of some characters being made stronger and others weaker, then yes the new author is obviously bringing down the level of Sasuke and Naruto so the new gen can shine. He's moving away from kishi to his own style which requires a down grade for OP characters. So that's the authors direction and they are the new official stats whether we like them or not.

This is the reason I didn't want to get into this it'll just be a backwards forward exchange and is fruitless. And we'll have to go over many other subjects moving away from the original points, for which I don't have time to sort through and look for the scans etc.

These Volume Books aren't even Data-books. I'd hardly call them comparable to begin with - They don't even read well.

It's not even counting the fact that non-Genin shinobi are ranked in the same area as Genin, but it just looks ridiculously when you try to put them altogether. It's almost like they could somehow be on par with more stronger ninja, whilst on paper, that isn't the case.

So either the Manga is lying, or that the Volume Books aren't quite comprehensible to that part. These stats are hardly comparable to one another.

Anyone with a brain cell knows this. There was a thread about the latest Volume stats where about majority of the people just laughed at them, but I'll just leave you to defending them for what-ever insane reason.

Contrived, I bet.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Don't really remember any of these accusations. Providing a reason a character does something is not an excuse. Even more so when a character is influenced or being manipulated to do something.


99% of your arguments are this.


I've already provided evidence in the Manga that Uzumaki's have better stamina than most. Based on the feats from Uzumaki clan remembers.

Did you suddenly forget by Kushina example?


I don't really understand how a 1/4 Uzumaki would have average or below stamina, makes no sense.

Full Uzumaki - Higher than average
Half Uzumaki - Above Average
Uzumaki descendants - Slightly above average
Non Uzumaki - Average

Unless your stating that ALL non-Uzumaki characters in this series have the same stamina has a 1/4 Uzumaki or even close to any Uzumaki descendant, than your highly mistaken.


There's nothing really about them having large quantities of chakra tbh. It's more of a fan base opinion rather than a fact, it's just that Naruto has large reserves so they substituted that to all of them.

But in fan fiction land, if the Uzumaki's were known for their large quantites of chakra. Boruto being a descendant of them, would have higher reserves than the average non-Uzumaki person. By per logic.


When did I forget this?



1. Kushina was chosen to house Kurama because she had the right chakra to

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2. Yamato makes the same reference

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And lastly, no one ever said anything about Naruto being chosen.



Learn how to read

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There's really nothing that confirms these stats unless you having evidence to these statements.

I mean does Konohamaru or Moegi have any feats that showcase their intelligence being higher than that of Sasuke?
Is Boruto shown faster than Sakura? On par with Naruto?
Why does Mitsuki have ??? chakra and Naruto/Sasuke have stated chakra, despite the Manga showing that their pools are large.



These Volume Books aren't even Data-books. I'd hardly call them comparable to begin with - They don't even read well.

It's not even counting the fact that non-Genin shinobi are ranked in the same area as Genin, but it just looks ridiculously when you try to put them altogether. It's almost like they could somehow be on par with more stronger ninja, whilst on paper, that isn't the case.

So either the Manga is lying, or that the Volume Books aren't quite comprehensible to that part. These stats are hardly comparable to one another.

Anyone with a brain cell knows this. There was a thread about the latest Volume stats where about majority of the people just laughed at them, but I'll just leave you to defending them for what-ever insane reason.

Contrived, I bet.

Your back tracking, Boruto broke the rules and cheated even though it was prohibited. Whether co-opted or not he performed the action. In a court of law he's guilty but in your court he's excused.

So your answer to everything is side stepping and misrepresnting Yamato's statement because he was trying to encourage Naruto to rely on his own strength and not the 9 tails's. He's even trying to manipulate him in that scan you provided by using Sakura and Sasuke.

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Naruto doesn't stand it thats Yamato trying to make him stop using it's chakra here Jiraiaya confirms it's the internal 9 tails chakra that heals him that's why he's able to withstand the damage. Note Yamato is in the room and listening to the conversation.

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Even the root of his stamina the origin of chakra is the Kyubi.

I repeat how did Kushina suppress the 9 tails chakra you answer that question and you'll know Naruto hasn't inherited that chakra.

You obviously don't understand how averages work it's a general norm. We know not everybody has the same chakra reserves that's obvious.

Just as average people die from extraction instantly 100% uzumaki survive extraction for a short while, 1/2 UzumKi last a few seconds and 1/4 uzumaki would fall into the camp of everybody else. If your using that as the proof then the same applies to their chakra/stamina it's not rocket science it just takes the removal of bias to see it.

Im still waiting for the evidence that the Uzumaki clan have a nice average stamina/chakra? Naruto doesn't as his originated from the kyubi. I hate to break it you even the 9 tails chakra mixing with his own enhances his natural chakra so it's strong because of that.

Unless your suggesting tailed beast chakra is weaker than or as weak as humans.

You can try to dismiss the canon stats by making excuses but they're canon deal with it. Boruto has less chakra than his comrades. Until new stats come out with updated stats they're facts.

 

[LordRaikage]

naruto>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SASUKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

 

[Dantee]

I went 30-0 in free for all.

 

[lndra]

Your back tracking, Boruto broke the rules and cheated even though it was prohibited. Whether co-opted or not he performed the action. In a court of law he's guilty but in your court he's excused.

Don't really think you understand what backtracking means tbh.

So your answer to everything is side stepping and misrepresnting Yamato's statement because he was trying to encourage Naruto to rely on his own strength and not the 9 tails's. He's even trying to manipulate him in that scan youprovided by using Sakura and Sasuke.

I don't really think you understand Yamato's statement at all, he's inferring that Naruto's chakra and strength is what allows him to control and use the Kyuubi's chakra, the same reason why Kushina's powerful chakras allowed her to house the Kyuubi.

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Naruto doesn't stand it thats Yamato trying to make him stop using it's chakra here Jiraiaya confirms it's the int
ernal 9 tails chakra that heals him that's why he's able to withstand the damage. Note Yamato is in the room and listening to the conversation.

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None of those statements counter or showcase anything different than what is stated above. How Naruto is able to house and even stabilize the Kyuubi's chakra, whereas even Sakura made the mental note that

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Even the root of his stamina the origin of chakra is the Kyubi.

I repeat how did Kushina suppress the 9 tails chakra you answer that question and you'll know Naruto hasn't inherited that chakra.

Learn how to read.

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You obviously don't understand how averages work it's a general norm. We know not everybody has the same chakra reserves that's obvious.

You definitely don't understand how averages work tbh. A clan that is known for their life force, means that they have greater in that aspect than average people. Meaning anyone who comes from that lineage, would have a higher life force than the 'average', whether they be half, 1/4, 1/6, 1/8th, and so forth.

Just as average people die from extraction instantly 100% uzumaki survive extraction for a short while, 1/2 UzumKi last a few seconds and 1/4 uzumaki would fall into the camp of everybody else. If your using that as the proof then the same applies to their chakra/stamina it's not rocket science it just takes the removal of bias to see it.

This logic would only work if Naruto was not shown capable of surviving a Bijuu extraction, if only for a few seconds, whereas a normal person like Gaara, died immediately from extraction. However, Naruto was capable of being saved afterwards thanks to Sakura's medical ninjutsu.

A regular person wouldn't have this chance, hence why Chiyo had to sacrifice her life.

Im still waiting for the evidence that the Uzumaki clan have a nice average stamina/chakra? Naruto doesn't as his originated from the kyubi. I hate to break it you even the 9 tails chakra mixing with his own enhances his natural chakra so it's strong because of that.

I thought we already discussed what stamina was?

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Do I literally have to explain Uzumaki feats to you?

Unless your suggesting tailed beast chakra is weaker than or as weak as humans.

What the hell?

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ou can try to dismiss the canon stats by making excuses but they're canon deal with it. Boruto has less chakra than his comrades. Until new stats come out with updated

I don't really think you have an argument for this. It's just pathetic seeing someone try to defend something that doesn't make sense to begin with.

I'm still waiting for you to counter how Moegi and Konohamaru are smarter than Sasuke, however. To make sense of these "stats"

 

[salamander uchiha]

Don't really think you understand what backtracking means tbh.


I don't really think you understand Yamato's statement at all, he's inferring that Naruto's chakra and strength is what allows him to control and use the Kyuubi's chakra, the same reason why Kushina's powerful chakras allowed her to house the Kyuubi.

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None of those statements counter or showcase anything different than what is stated above. How Naruto is able to house and even stabilize the Kyuubi's chakra, whereas even Sakura made the mental note that

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Even the root of his stamina the origin of chakra is the Kyubi.


Learn how to read.

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You definitely don't understand how averages work tbh. A clan that is known for their life force, means that they have greater in that aspect than average people. Meaning anyone who comes from that lineage, would have a higher life force than the 'average', whether they be half, 1/4, 1/6, 1/8th, and so forth.



This logic would only work if Naruto was not shown capable of surviving a Bijuu extraction, if only for a few seconds, whereas a normal person like Gaara, died immediately from extraction. However, Naruto was capable of being saved afterwards thanks to Sakura's medical ninjutsu.

A regular person wouldn't have this chance, hence why Chiyo had to sacrifice her life.



I thought we already discussed what stamina was?

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Do I literally have to explain Uzumaki feats to you?



What the hell?

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I don't really think you have an argument for this. It's just pathetic seeing someone try to defend something that doesn't make sense to begin with.

I'm still waiting for you to counter how Moegi and Konohamaru are smarter than Sasuke, however. To make sense of these "stats"

Since you didn't answer any of the questions or points raised even ignoring some things your indirect concession is accepted.

Ps. I don't feel like repeating everything I've stated.

 

[lndra]

Since you didn't answer any of the questions or points raised even ignoring some things your indirect concession is accepted.

Ps. I don't feel like repeating everything I've stated.

No counter? Concession accepted.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Agreed and

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Read my post. It's Naruto.

naruto>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SASUKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Sounds like you read my post but don't want to accept that Naruto has less wins and more lossed despite Sasuke having more battles.