Why CES is unique to Sakura and Tsunade

[Joshutsu]

lol Bunta is right there

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I misread the panel, I updated my reply lol sorry I wouldn't try to look a scan in the face and say it was another frog when everyone can clearly see lol

I did request proof of size from Anti--- but he disappeared in face of my other requests it seems

 

[Reviewing Logic]

He's standing more upright than Bunta but he is pretty close in size. Him running on all 4s makes him look smaller I guess but I still am not shown Tsunade struggling with Bunta's sword, so noone could be limiting her by saying she cannot lift or knock down Rhino at full strength.

it is not about the struggling of lifting a sword it is more like what we need to do here is compare the swords weight with that of the rhino and compare the height that they lifted at


Naruto lifted that rhino and threw him quite far up

now he has other powerups and better chakra control and sage mode stats

 

[Cariostar]

None of those fogs are Bunta

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[Joshutsu]

it is not about the struggling of lifting a sword it is more like what we need to do here is compare the swords weight with that of the rhino and compare the height that they lifted at


Naruto lifted that rhino and threw him quite far up

now he has other powerups and better chakra control and sage mode stats

No, it's about him telling me she struggled and not showing me that she did. He said it in an attempt to limit her to disprove she cannot lift this like Naruto did. I'm not comparing a weapon to a summon to the weight of that summon lol that doesn't make sense.

I was wrong about the size of the Rhino but I did not compare it to the sword, more so saying the sword is indeed heavy and she lifted it seemingly effortless. So he can't limit her to the sword strength wise. Is that unreasonable?

Yes, current Naruto has that but that's not what I was talking about. Tsunade naturally can pull things off with regular chakra Naruto would enter SM to do. Which is what OP is talking about.

I'm just saying him saying the Rhino is too heavy for her is backed up by no limitation we have seen to her strength lifting wise. We'd have to quite literally see her fail to lift something comparably heavy to say that she could not.

 

[Joshutsu]

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See the edit and reply. I did not look properly, I mistook their placement. Edited the initial reply.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

No, it's about him telling me she struggled and not showing me that she did. He said it in an attempt to limit her to disprove she cannot lift this like Naruto did. I'm not comparing a weapon to a summon to the weight of that summon lol that doesn't make sense.

I was wrong about the size of the Rhino but I did not compare it to the sword, more so saying the sword is indeed heavy and she lifted it seemingly effortless. So he can't limit her to the sword strength wise. Is that unreasonable?

Yes, current Naruto has that but that's not what I was talking about. Tsunade naturally can pull things off with regular chakra Naruto would enter SM to do. Which is what OP is talking about.

I'm just saying him saying the Rhino is too heavy for her is backed up by no limitation we have seen to her strength lifting wise. We'd have to quite literally see her fail to lift something comparably heavy to say that she could not.

yeah but we can't say she can easily lift the rhino too

so far via manga feats Naruto lifted something heavier and that is a fact

 

[Joshutsu]

yeah but we can't say she can easily lift the rhino too

so far via manga feats Naruto lifted something heavier and that is a fact

I never said she could easily lift it. I said I think she can get it done.

I'm saying she easily lifted the sword so he can't limit her by her one lifting strength feat.

 

[Scryed]

It's not unique to them.

Anyone is capable of learning it since it's not a KKG itself. Issue here is that not everyone will manage to learn it let alone use it to that extent if they don't have good enough Chakra control. Just like SM could be learned by anyone but it doesn't mean they'll actually manage to learn it let alone master it.

If it's not something inherited by blood, it can potentially be learned by others.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

I never said she could easily lift it. I said I think she can get it done.

I'm saying she easily lifted the sword so he can't limit her by her one lifting strength feat.

and yet we can't also say she lifted the Rhino that is around Gamabunta's size

so far we know that Naruto can and not only can but throw him above the city

 

[Joshutsu]

and yet we can't also say she lifted the Rhino that is around Gamabunta's size

so far we know that Naruto can and not only can but throw him above the city

Exactly, the bottom line was. I think she can and he doesn't have anything concrete to tell me she cannot. I have more to believe otherwise \o/ we're never going to see anyway but she has more chance than she does not but feats.

 

[Cariostar]

See the edit and reply. I did not look properly, I mistook their placement. Edited the initial reply.

He's standing more upright than Bunta but he is pretty close in size. Him running on all 4s makes him look smaller I guess but I still am not shown Tsunade struggling with Bunta's sword, so noone could be limiting her by saying she cannot lift or knock down Rhino at full strength.

Well, I don't have much to say then. Juts one thing:

I may be taking you wrong, I don't know, but the no limit showing isn't a real argument. She may have lift Gamabunta's sword effortlessly (and also make a huge leap, which is also pretty impressive), but a rhino of that dimensions shouldn't weigh less than 100 tons and Naruto toss it so high that

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[Joshutsu]

Well, I don't have much to say then. Juts one thing:

I may be taking you wrong, I don't know, but the no limit showing isn't a real argument. She may have lift Gamabunta's sword effortlessly (and also make a huge leap, which is also pretty impressive), but a rhino of that dimensions shouldn't weigh less than 100 tons and Naruto toss it so high that

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). I may have no way to measure how strong you need to be to do stuff like that, but as far as I can see it, Naruto's feat is leagues above Tsunade's.

It is against someone flat out saying she cannot. We've never seen her needing to step it up in that way. You can't limit someone without true reason.

Also me saying she can lift it is not also me saying she can throw it high and far away like Naruto. I can lift some heavy things but I sure can't toss them very high lol

 

[Cariostar]

We've never seen her needing to step it up in that way. You can't limit someone without true reason.

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Also me saying she can lift it is not also me saying she can throw it high and far away like Naruto. I can lift some heavy things but I sure can't toss them very high lol

Seems fair to me.

 

[FemmeFatale]

But sakura never had alot of natural strength

Even in part 1 her strength was freaky, explain how she set up her log jutsu

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Sorry, I went to watch the new Thor, great movie. But i'm back.

Great. I am planning to go myself.

Idc what you feel, the OP addressed CES in an aspect and you failed to prove otherwise by providing Naruto buffed with Nature energy. That falls apart simply out of disregard for the OPs statement. I am not fighting with it.

If that's the case then the thread title sure is misleading. The title should've been Why Tsunade's and Sakura's CES is unique to them instead of Why CES is unique to Sakura and Tsunade cuz we all know that ninjas all throughout the manga have used their chakra to increase their strength to do things they are not able to do normally. And then the OP made claims about how none can match Tsunade and Sakura's strength which I proved wrong obviously.....
So my example is perfectly fine and you're fighting or arguing with me for the wrong reasons.

I'm still waiting for my scan of Tsunade struggling to lift Bunta's sword because you ignored that and bolded what you want.

Yeah my bad, I thought she did. Anyway, waiting for scans of her lifting the sword as you're saying she did.

He's NOT as big as a big 3 summon, look at his scale size to Naruto in that panel. Now look at this:

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Cariostar has already countered that argument and with scans...

There's something called perspective, bruh.

Anyways,

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Are you really going to sit there and try to tell me that....

I'm pretty sure a woman who can knock down a developed susano which is much taller and more durable than the Rhino can knock it over if she could not lift it. Anyway, that's not the focus of this thread.

Are you telling me that lifting objects and punching and kicking things work the same?

Fukasuku's feat =/= Naruto's feat. Show me his feats please.

Again, show me tsunade's having trouble lifting his sword.

Never said Fukasuke's feat equals to Naruto's. I was simply giving an example that Fukasuku too has greater feats with CES (not Tsunade's and Sakura's CES as insecure fans confuse it with that) than Tsunade and Sakura.
Anyway thanks to Cariostar, your argument that the Rhino is smaller in size to the great summons has already been destroyed and I'd even say Naruto's feat was even greater than Fukasuku's as he stopped a charging Rhino, grabbed it from its horn tossed it so high up in the sky that everything down below were looking as big as the size of an ant.

I already said i'm not talking about Sakura because she only has a filler lifting feat that is comparable. She has strength feats but none in manga that compared to lifting the sword.

I've already agreed to this part. Sakura has no comparable or even closer strength feats.

I'm sorry if I find it hard to believe a woman who can without CES application lift Bunta's sword and even need CES as a tecnique.

And there's no proof that she lifted the sword on her own. All we saw was she redirecting the sword over Manda's head. Anyway what you believe doesn't matter unless you can show proof to prove them right.

That sword is heavy, just hitting the ground and landing infront of her proved that and then being able to hold a big 3 summon pinned on the ground. I have nothing more I can say. I have presented my side \o/

Again I hope you do not believe that the sword is even half the weight of the three great summons. Its ludicrous to think that Gamabunta would carry a sword that is half or more than half of his own weight lol. No doubt a sword that big must be heavy but it won't be even close to the weight of the three great summons.

 

[Team7monaa]

Either way no one has shown strength feats that Tsunade or Sakura couldn’t be replicate.

 

[Sir Cool Blizzard]

Which is a Senjutsu boosted Naruto, who could not naturally lift a stone frog.

Whereas Tsunade used her natural chakra to lift Bunta's sword with CES. There's nothing that limits Tsunade from lifting the Rhino other than you having not seen it either.

The Rhino is half the size if that much of a big 3 summon. It's horn is small enough to be gripped lol

I have stopped commenting on NB for the last couple of years due to my lack of interest in the new Boruto series compared to the original series, but this is just sad. Members nowadays don't even remember the most explicit and eye-catching feats in Naruto series anymore. Its as if I m seeing youtube comments by some casual fans.Smh
It was not Sage Naruto that struggled to lift the statue but Base Naruto. Hell even imperfect sage Naruto lifted it and hurled it away toppling the other statues nearby.

Also, I think even a 5 year old knows that you can't estimate something's weight just based on its height. Further, even though the Rhino indeed is shorter than the toad summons, its not by half as you are claiming, unless its intentional on your part to downplay Naruto. Regardless the Rhino is shorter but it also had a greater length compared to the Toads, so one can't say for certain which one is bigger in terms of VOLUME. But one thing is for certain, that is a rhino is definitely more 'denser' than a toad, so it can even be heavier. Also if one wants to approximate its weight, by scaling its atleast ten times taller than a normal rhino which weighs in tons. Hell even the skinniest Rhino would weigh atleast one ton. So we can safely say that the Rhino summon was atleast a thousand tons (1 ton * 10x10x10....each 10 multiplier for being atleast ten times the size of a real Rhino in that dimension) by weight. But this is not what is mind boggling about that feat. Whats insane is how Naruto threw that Giant Rhino as high as the clouds themselves as per the portrayal. Unless you suffer from the down syndrome you must know how difficult it is to throw something that high compared to just lifting it. But the fact that you think tsunade merely lifting and swinging Gamabunta's sword is a better feat for you, really makes me question your mental caliber. Laughable.

And that statement about its horn being small enough to be even held in hands, just made me lose it.
Even Burj Khalifa's spire can be held in hands if held from its pointed end. Is it really difficult to grasp for you that the radius of a conical object varies from zero at one end to some other value that the other end?? uttahere:
I have got nothing against Sakura and Tsunade fans in general, but I guess people are somewhat right when they think that they are retarded. :yeah:

 

[Joshutsu]

I have stopped commenting on NB for the last couple of years due to my lack of interest in the new Boruto series compared to the original series, but this is just sad. Members nowadays don't even remember the most explicit and eye-catching feats in Naruto series anymore. Its as if I m seeing youtube comments by some casual fans.Smh
It was not Sage Naruto that struggled to lift the statue but Base Naruto. Hell even imperfect sage Naruto lifted it and hurled it away toppling the other statues nearby.

Also, I think even a 5 year old knows that you can't estimate something's weight just based on its height. Further, even though the Rhino indeed is shorter than the toad summons, its not by half as you are claiming, unless its intentional on your part to downplay Naruto. Regardless the Rhino is shorter but it also had a greater length compared to the Toads, so one can't say for certain which one is bigger in terms of VOLUME. But one thing is for certain, that is a rhino is definitely more 'denser' than a toad, so it can even be heavier. Also if one wants to approximate its weight, by scaling its atleast ten times taller than a normal rhino which weighs in tons. Hell even the skinniest Rhino would weigh atleast one ton. So we can safely say that the Rhino summon was atleast a thousand tons (1 ton * 10x10x10....each 10 multiplier for being atleast ten times the size of a real Rhino in that dimension) by weight. But this is not what is mind boggling about that feat. Whats insane is how Naruto threw that Giant Rhino as high as the clouds themselves as per the portrayal. Unless you suffer from the down syndrome you must know how difficult it is to throw something that high compared to just lifting it. But the fact that you think tsunade merely lifting and swinging Gamabunta's sword is a better feat for you, really makes me question your mental caliber. Laughable.

And that statement about its horn being small enough to be even held in hands, just made me lose it.
Even Burj Khalifa's spire can be held in hands if held from its pointed end. Is it really difficult to grasp for you that the radius of a conical object varies from zero at one end to some other value that the other end?? uttahere:
I have got nothing against Sakura and Tsunade fans in general, but I guess people are somewhat right when they think that they are retarded. :yeah:

At this point in the thread all I am seeing is, 'I have nothing to prove Tsunade cannot lift the Rhino.

Since apparently I don't have enough facts to prove she can. None of you have enough to prove otherwise. It leaves us smack dab in the middle. You've also made too many assumptions about my thought process when I said nothing of the sort.

Me using the sword as a base line for her minimum lifting strength is not hinting a think a weapon of a big 3 summon equals or matches it's weight.

Otherwise i'm over the back and forth. Noone has proof she can't until there was further limitations set on her strength as she has proven she can lift pretty heavy things.

 

[Joshutsu]

Great. I am planning to go myself.



If that's the case then the thread title sure is misleading. The title should've been Why Tsunade's and Sakura's CES is unique to them instead of Why CES is unique to Sakura and Tsunade cuz we all know that ninjas all throughout the manga have used their chakra to increase their strength to do things they are not able to do normally. And then the OP made claims about how none can match Tsunade and Sakura's strength which I proved wrong obviously.....
So my example is perfectly fine and you're fighting or arguing with me for the wrong reasons.



Yeah my bad, I thought she did. Anyway, waiting for scans of her lifting the sword as you're saying she did.



Cariostar has already countered that argument and with scans...






Are you telling me that lifting objects and punching and kicking things work the same?



Never said Fukasuke's feat equals to Naruto's. I was simply giving an example that Fukasuku too has greater feats with CES (not Tsunade's and Sakura's CES as insecure fans confuse it with that) than Tsunade and Sakura.
Anyway thanks to Cariostar, your argument that the Rhino is smaller in size to the great summons has already been destroyed and I'd even say Naruto's feat was even greater than Fukasuku's as he stopped a charging Rhino, grabbed it from its horn tossed it so high up in the sky that everything down below were looking as big as the size of an ant.



I've already agreed to this part. Sakura has no comparable or even closer strength feats.



And there's no proof that she lifted the sword on her own. All we saw was she redirecting the sword over Manda's head. Anyway what you believe doesn't matter unless you can show proof to prove them right.



Again I hope you do not believe that the sword is even half the weight of the three great summons. Its ludicrous to think that Gamabunta would carry a sword that is half or more than half of his own weight lol. No doubt a sword that big must be heavy but it won't be even close to the weight of the three great summons.

Go watch asap! lol

OP addressed people enhancing their strength with other abilities to aid them. He is just pointing out that they don't use anything but their own chakra to have feats comparable to those with buffs.

I Think she lifted it because she ended up in the air with it gripping by the handles and then dropped it on Manda. Idk who would have helped her.

Yes, length wise the Rhino is the size of the biju. Running on all 4s he is shorter than them. I concede to that point.

No lifting and punching isn't the same. I was saying even if people were saying she could not lift it that i'm sure she could knock it over very easily. Just drawing reference for vs purposes. Though I said a few replies back I was not bringing this into the discussion beyond mention because I am focusing on lifting.

I have no reason to believe she didn't lift it that's why. If I saw her get assistance then sure.

I said several times i nthe thread I do not believe the weapon of a big 3 summon is it's weight. Something of that size and length must be heavy. Definitely heavier than the average ninja can carry.

Being able to pin Manda to the point he could not get back up it must be decently heavy to keep him planted. Not as heavy as a Rhino, but heavy enough to show she can lift heavy things, that by scans took her no effort as she did it in a matter of seconds. I think she can lift the Rhino.


But as I said to someone's alt just before this. It seems we've hit a middle ground and won't get much further than this. Noone can show me scans to limit her in strength and I don't have a scan of her lifting something comparable to a big 3 summon. However I think she can lift it up and it's ok if you don't. I don't think she could sent it sky high like Naruto.

Also me saying she can lift this Rhino is not saying she is as strong or stronger than SM Naruto in strength (lifting) since that would also imply the Rhino is the limit of Naruto's lifting strength which we do not know and it does not seem that way since he was able to throw it away.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Go watch asap! lol

I will.

OP addressed people enhancing their strength with other abilities to aid them. He is just pointing out that they don't use anything but their own chakra to have feats comparable to those with buffs.

As I said not only the thread title is misleading but the OP itself is as well. CES is not unique to Tsunade and Sakura. Only their version of it is. So I have to disagree.

I Think she lifted it because she ended up in the air with it gripping by the handles and then dropped it on Manda. Idk who would have helped her.

Well there's no scans she did or didn't. And the scans that we do have, there she's just guiding the sword and holding it in place. The sword was coming down anyway so she doen't actually need to bear the weight of it and she simply needed to change the direction of the sword mid air which again is not that difficult when compared to carrying the entire weight of the sword.

Yes, length wise the Rhino is the size of the biju. Running on all 4s he is shorter than them. I concede to that point.

Yes the Rhino probably is heavier than Bunta considering the Rhinos are know to have very heavy and thick skin.

No lifting and punching isn't the same. I was saying even if people were saying she could not lift it that i'm sure she could knock it over very easily. Just drawing reference for vs purposes. Though I said a few replies back I was not bringing this into the discussion beyond mention because I am focusing on lifting.

Well I don't see how that fits here in this argument. We already are aware of her CES attack destruction and I don't think anyone denies that her CES attack power is the greatest no doubt when it comes to her CES technique but that isn't what's being discussed here.

I have no reason to believe she didn't lift it that's why. If I saw her get assistance then sure.

Well in that case there's no reason to believe that she could lift anything heavier than that sword cuz you didn't see her lifting anything heavier than that sword either but here we are arguing that she could lift things heavier than the sword lol. What needs to be proved first that she lifted the sword alone since nobody saw that she did. Guiding the sword that is already falling down is much easier than lifting a sword high up against the gravity.

I said several times i nthe thread I do not believe the weapon of a big 3 summon is it's weight. Something of that size and length must be heavy. Definitely heavier than the average ninja can carry.

Yes but nowhere near as close to the weight of the three great summons. Fact is Tsunade's feat is not even comparable to Naruto's. Not to mention it hasn't even been proved that she was the one who lifted the sword on her own. Still for her style of CES, its the greatest feat.

Being able to pin Manda to the point he could not get back up it must be decently heavy to keep him planted. Not as heavy as a Rhino, but heavy enough to show she can lift heavy things, that by scans took her no effort as she did it in a matter of seconds. I think she can lift the Rhino.

....I didn't mean to laugh there but that argument is ridiculous lol. That sword sure must have been heavy but do you honestly believe Manda couldn't move because of its weight? Imagine a knife moved right through the palm of your hand into the thick wooden table. Would you dare to move your pierced hand to pull out the knife or would you use your other hand to pull out the knife without moving your pierced hand? Any logical person would use their other hand to pull out the knife cuz moving the pierced hand would hurt way too much.
Now come to Manda's situation, that sword pierced through his thick skull and brain deep into the ground. Do you honestly believe Manda would risk moving his head and cause more damage lol? I don't think so.

But as I said to someone's alt just before this. It seems we've hit a middle ground and won't get much further than this. Noone can show me scans to limit her in strength and I don't have a scan of her lifting something comparable to a big 3 summon. However I think she can lift it up and it's ok if you don't. I don't think she could sent it sky high like Naruto.

First you need to prove that she was the one who lifted the sword all on her own before making such claims or it simply comes off as mindless wank no offence.
Based on the feats we've seen from her I doubt she even comes close to Naruto's SM feats.

Also me saying she can lift this Rhino is not saying she is as strong or stronger than SM Naruto in strength (lifting) since that would also imply the Rhino is the limit of Naruto's lifting strength which we do not know and it does not seem that way since he was able to throw it away.

Yes we do not know their limits but their feats sure gives you an idea. Speculating that its not there limit is pointless cuz if we go that way then I can speculate whatever I want lol.