Why CES is unique to Sakura and Tsunade

[Darth AniCetuS]

The OP is saying noone can naturally with their own chakra replicate anything comparable to their CES. Natural energy gives him the ability to list heavy things. Without it he can't. You know, with his own chakra.

As I already said Tsunade has her own technique. Naruto has his own. The point still remains Naruto's feats using chakra to lift things outclasses Tsunade's. And he uses his own chakra to gather the NE. So again a technique.

Show me where Tsunade was having trouble lifting Bunta's sword?Weak fire back, that Rhino is tiny, Tsunade could knock that over clean if she couldn't lift it. Unfortunately noone here has proof that she can't lift it it seems.

That rhino is as big as the three great summons unless you can show a scan where he's not.
Anyway if I remember it correctly, Fukasuku was able to lift Gamabumta during the Pein fight as well
@Bold I'd have agreed if she had any feat close to that. I hope you don't believe that Bunta's sword could be as heavy as a full animal summon.

I leave Sakura along since her only feat of lifting something particularly heavy is in the fillers -smirk-

Agreed.

Noone knows the limitations to Tsunade's natural strength or when she is using it vs when she is not. It's very hard to deduce whether or not Sakura can do lifting with CES based on a very early mention of Tsunade having some measure of natural strength.

We're not talking about limitations here cuz we can only compare the feats and get an idea of strength based on them. As far Sakura is concerned, I doubt she has as much strength as Tsunade. All we've seen is her landing punches on the ground most of the time with causeing large area destruction but when it comes to her strength feat lifting heavy objects there are none.
Its even possible that lifting heavy objects is not at all related to CES and is something that only Tsunade is capable of unless it has been confirmed somewhere that CES plays a major part in it.

CES is no easy feat evident by how only three people have achieved it.

But to use it to dismiss or discredit SM is also kinda messed up as SM is no easy feat and might even be harder to achieve than CES

I know it wasn't your intent to discredit how difficult it is to achieve SM, but once you said that SM is moot because it uses NE that door became open.

NE, like Natural Chakra, is just as legit as both use an external source to enhanced strength.

If you want to talk about real, actual strength look no further than Gai, Ay or Lee.

Exactly.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

i can see all the Sakura faps are in attendance!

LMAO.....So weak! Sakura fans are so pathetic...

Basically Everyone in Naruto uses it subconciously or Knowingly....

Both Kisame and Suigetsu use it in a way to lift their big ass sword!

Maddy used it in taijutsu to fight against the armies.

Sasuke used it to contend against Kinshiki's monstrous strength.

its nothing special,everyone uses it beit subconciuosly or knowingly!
this is a world where basically everyone has chakra,you think they wouldn't know how to enhance their strenght with chakra? when others have gone on to re-animate corpses with chakra.


Some gather Chakra at the soles of their feet and releases with pinpoint timing to enable them move very fast,

Hell Hashirama has been known to use it subconciously via Maddy's statement!

Naruto used it in the last by gathering his Chakra/Kurama's/ Asura's and releasing it with pinpoint accuracy timing to an extent that it made a hole in the fu.cking moon,which dwarfs any show of CES foddera has ever and will ever replicate!

And shout out to the faps claiming CES is Naturally done,when in all actuality,you are being Enhanced by Chakra,the same chakra almost any Mode gives.

And it's all just futile talk when you have nothing to back that up.

Databook has only Tsunade, Sakura and Sarada as CES users. Rest of characters use other means to enhance their strength but it doesn't come close to the contextual CES in application.

If you want to argue, then you could start with bringing databook scans for Naruto having CES or any of your other characters. No-one is denying Naruto/Gai/Lee get a boost in strength from their Modes. It's CES in the literal sense, but it's not CES as per the meaning given by Kishimoto himself.

 

[Exaar]

If you want to argue, then you could start with bringing databook scans for Naruto having CES or any of your other characters. No-one is denying Naruto/Gai/Lee get a boost in strength from their Modes. It's CES in the literal sense, but it's not CES as per the meaning given by Kishimoto himself.

The term CES is fanmade, It doesn't exist in any of Part 1 or 2 official databooks.

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

The term CES is fanmade, It doesn't exist in any of Part 1 or 2 official databooks.

Another thread bites the dust

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

And it's all just futile talk when you have nothing to back that up.

Databook has only Tsunade, Sakura and Sarada as CES users. Rest of characters use other means to enhance their strength but it doesn't come close to the contextual CES in application.

If you want to argue, then you could start with bringing databook scans for Naruto having CES or any of your other characters. No-one is denying Naruto/Gai/Lee get a boost in strength from their Modes. It's CES in the literal sense, but it's not CES as per the meaning given by Kishimoto himself.

Still cant Read yeah?
See am a Pure Mathematics major who deals with facts and nothing else,i will take what has been shown in the manga,than what the Databook concorts.thank God Exaar brought your fanmade spout down a peg.

 

[SenseiSama]

Your title says CES :lol



Since when was Boil Release, Gentle Fist, and normal usage of Chakra modes?


Never said others good reproduce it, I'm saying CES is used by a lot of people.



So Neji was able to break through a tree with mere pokes without using Chakra?
So Hinata was able to scar a Juubi Clones body and sending it flying notably far away with mere pokes without using Chakra?

Their CES doesn't rely on a chakra mode which makes it a natural feat, the purpose of CES is to focus the physical energy someone naturally wields.


Boil release relies on bijuu chakra and Naruto hasn't been shown to use bijuu KKG without RSM

GF doesn't count as a physical strength because it relies on chakra purely, Neji used his chakra to break through a tree similar to how Uchiha use their chakra to make Susanoo projectiles. GF relies solely on chakra which is why we never saw a more powerful version until it was used by someone with stronger chakra.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

The term CES is fanmade, It doesn't exist in any of Part 1 or 2 official databooks.

Seems I had an erroneous notion there.

However, here's what the Databook says about Sakura's enhanced strength:

It's an adaptation of Medical Ninjutsu that requires delicate chakra control and concentration, chakra of the highest intensity developed instantaneously in the body is concentrated in its entirety in the fist.

Therein it says:

1. Medical Ninjutsu knowledge is required
2. Delicate chakra control
3. Concentration


Naruto meets only one of those requirements, and even that is a stretch. Naruto has never been stated to have delicate chakra control so I'll assume he doesn't meet that requirement either.

And there, you get why Naruto can't pull off CES in base and why he has not and uses Kurama's chakra to enhance his strength and why Gai or other ninja didn't accidentally learn CES.

Also, do me a favor by reading this part carefully: chakra of the highest intensity developed instantaneously in the body is concentrated in its entirety in the fist.

Body and fist are the key-words there.

Slow network btw, so I can't reply fast.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

stopped reading at

That Senju blood

for Sakura :kk:



literally the reason as to why no one else does it is because
a) they are minor characters
b) Tsunade is the only teacher (apparently)
c) they have something superior to focus on

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

stopped reading at

for Sakura :kk:



literally the reason as to why no one else does it is because
a) they are minor characters
b) Tsunade is the only teacher (apparently)
c) they have something superior to focus on

True. But among these secret techniques that can be learned, it's the gates I respect the most.

Neji had all that talent and was a hard-core Taijutsu practitioner and YET failed to open the first gate while Lee did it successfully. I guess CES isn't the only technique that can be learned by anyone. :nefer:

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Regardless, that's not Chakra Enhanced Strength. That's using SM to boost his strength.

SM Naruto doesn't mold any chakra into his fists. That's what only Sakura and Tsunade do to enhance their punch's strikes.

Never said Naruto's is the same CES that Tsunade and Sakura uses but it is again strength enhanced using chakra. And that's all people have been arguing about. Tsunade simply didn't bother to give it a more accurate name but just cuz its called CES doesn't mean other instances where other ninjas have used chakra to enhance their strength or attacks can't be classified as CES. Its stupid to think that it can't be called CES just cuz somebody didn't name their technique that falls under the CES category appropriately and chose to call it CES instead.
To be more precise, CES should be considered a category under which Tsunade's, Naruto's and every other ninja who has used similar techniques to enhance their abilities using chakra should fall in.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

True. But among these secret techniques that can be learned, it's the gates I respect the most.

Neji had all that talent and was a hard-core Taijutsu practitioner and YET failed to open the first gate while Lee did it successfully. I guess CES isn't the only technique that can be learned by anyone. :nefer:

Gates is a different Beast from CES lol

 

[Warlocks]

The OP is saying noone can naturally with their own chakra replicate anything comparable to their CES. Natural energy gives him the ability to list heavy things. Without it he can't. You know, with his own chakra.

Show me where Tsunade was having trouble lifting Bunta's sword?

Weak fire back, that Rhino is tiny, Tsunade could knock that over clean if she couldn't lift it. Unfortunately noone here has proof that she can't lift it it seems.

I leave Sakura along since her only feat of lifting something particularly heavy is in the fillers -smirk-



Noone knows the limitations to Tsunade's natural strength or when she is using it vs when she is not. It's very hard to deduce whether or not Sakura can do lifting with CES based on a very early mention of Tsunade having some measure of natural strength.

last naruto CES>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sakura/tsunade CES

 

[Melanin]

last naruto CES>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sakura/tsunade CES

Simply becuase of the bijū chakra he possess..

Give Sakura or Tsunade senjutsu let alone bijū chakra and they'd be unmatched in terms of striking power or any strength enhancements.

 

[Warlocks]

here naruto using CES :lol
if this naruto can do CES than CES = basic jutsu

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[Warlocks]

Simply becuase of the bijū chakra he possess..

Give Sakura or Tsunade senjutsu let alone bijū chakra and they'd be unmatched in terms of striking power or any strength enhancements.

nope its his own chakra

yellow = naruto chakra

red = bijū chakra
bold
naruto body >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sakura body
naruto chakra>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sakura chakra

 

[Made in Heaven]

Their CES doesn't rely on a chakra mode

Irrelevant. Still Chakra enhanced strength.

Boil release relies on bijuu chakra and Naruto hasn't been shown to use bijuu KKG without RSM

lol Mei is a Jinchuriki now?

Anyways, still irrelevant. Still Chakra enhanced strength.

GF doesn't count as a physical strength because it relies on chakra purely, Neji used his chakra to break through a tree similar to how Uchiha use their chakra to make Susanoo projectiles.

Not the same at all. Neji's pokes are enhanced by Chakra to give them more force, hence CES. How the bloody hell do you compare that to a Chakra demon? :lol

 

[Joshutsu]

As I already said Tsunade has her own technique. Naruto has his own. The point still remains Naruto's feats using chakra to lift things outclasses Tsunade's. And he uses his own chakra to gather the NE. So again a technique.



That rhino is as big as the three great summons unless you can show a scan where he's not.
Anyway if I remember it correctly, Fukasuku was able to lift Gamabumta during the Pein fight as well
@Bold I'd have agreed if she had any feat close to that. I hope you don't believe that Bunta's sword could be as heavy as a full animal summon.



Agreed.



We're not talking about limitations here cuz we can only compare the feats and get an idea of strength based on them. As far Sakura is concerned, I doubt she has as much strength as Tsunade. All we've seen is her landing punches on the ground most of the time with causeing large area destruction but when it comes to her strength feat lifting heavy objects there are none.
Its even possible that lifting heavy objects is not at all related to CES and is something that only Tsunade is capable of unless it has been confirmed somewhere that CES plays a major part in it.

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Sorry, I went to watch the new Thor, great movie. But i'm back.

Idc what you feel, the OP addressed CES in an aspect and you failed to prove otherwise by providing Naruto buffed with Nature energy. That falls apart simply out of disregard for the OPs statement. I am not fighting with it.

I'm still waiting for my scan of Tsunade struggling to lift Bunta's sword because you ignored that and bolded what you want.

He's NOT as big as a big 3 summon, look at his scale size to Naruto in that panel. Now look at this:

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Are you really going to sit there and try to tell me that....

I'm pretty sure a woman who can knock down a developed susano which is much taller and more durable than the Rhino can knock it over if she could not lift it. Anyway, that's not the focus of this thread.

Fukasuku's feat =/= Naruto's feat. Show me his feats please.

Again, show me tsunade's having trouble lifting his sword.

I already said i'm not talking about Sakura because she only has a filler lifting feat that is comparable. She has strength feats but none in manga that compared to lifting the sword.

I'm sorry if I find it hard to believe a woman who can without CES application lift Bunta's sword and even need CES as a tecnique.

That sword is heavy, just hitting the ground and landing infront of her proved that and then being able to hold a big 3 summon pinned on the ground. I have nothing more I can say. I have presented my side \o/

 

[Cariostar]

He's NOT as big as a big 3 summon, look at his scale size to Naruto in that panel. Now look at this:

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Are you really going to sit there and try to tell me that....

There's something called perspective, bruh.

Anyways,

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[Joshutsu]

There's something called perspective, bruh.

Anyways,

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He's standing more upright than Bunta but he is pretty close in size. Him running on all 4s makes him look smaller I guess but I still am not shown Tsunade struggling with Bunta's sword, so noone could be limiting her by saying she cannot lift or knock down Rhino at full strength.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

None of those fogs are Bunta, also Gamakichi I believe his name is? Got so much bigger by the time of the war Naruto was shocked.


He's standing more upright than Bunta but he is pretty close in size.

lol Bunta is right there

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