Was Sage Mode Naruto enough for Mangekyou Sharingan Sasuke?

[Mori Jin]

The manga stated that it woulf hundreds of time faster then sound thats nowhere near light bub.

And as i said before you can deny my stament about him blocking it whit NE he will dodge it as proved with fact of me and the others guys above.

Now if you excuse me i got others stuff to do rather then spending my time on a debate thats literally not going anywhere.

Clone Naruto in Sage Mode dodged the 3rd Raikage at point blank range. Sage Mode has danger sensing which helps them dodge at the last second. Amaterasu ain't doing shit. It has only ever landed on people who can tank it or don't care Madara (and Kaguya I think?), Naruto who dealt with it using a chakra cloak, Raikage dodged it and didn't care the second time. Nagato who was disabled from the legs.And things that are too big to even miss with the attack Hachibi and the Juubi and Nagatos massive summonigs. It's never actually killed anything or anyone of worth except for Zetsus. Plus even Nagato sensed the build up of chakra when Itachi was going to use it and knew exactly what it was. Sage Mode has better sensing and tracking abilities, it'd be a piece of cake to sense it and deal with it accordingly.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

The manga stated that it would be hundreds of time faster then sound thats nowhere near light speed bub.

And as i said before you can deny my stament about him blocking it whit NE he will still dodge it as proved with fact of me and the other guys above.

Now if you excuse me i got others stuff to do rather then spending my time on a debate thats literally not going anywhere.

I'm still having hard time how does that not make natural lightning not be as fast as natural lightning, but ignoring that, it's still faster than anything SM Naruto can do.

So now Naruto using shunshin makes him as fast as Ay's lightning shunshin that was already prepared beforehand and has bijuu chakra levels behind it?

I think even you can see what's wrong with that.

And it's not going anywhere because of you, because you can't acknowledge the fact that Naruto can't dodge amaterasu, instead you say stuff like NE blocking it, Amaterasu not spawning on the target or SM Naruto's shunshin is comparable to Ay's lightning shunshin.:lol

If anything, I was the one wasting his time trying to reason with you after you spouted that BS.

 

[Detonator99]

Clone Naruto in Sage Mode dodged the 3rd Raikage at point blank range. Sage Mode has danger sensing which helps them dodge at the last second. Amaterasu ain't doing shit. It has only ever landed on people who can tank it or don't care Madara (and Kaguya I think?), Naruto who dealt with it using a chakra cloak, Raikage dodged it and didn't care the second time. Nagato who was disabled from the legs.And things that are too big to even miss with the attack Hachibi and the Juubi and Nagatos massive summonigs. It's never actually killed anything or anyone of worth except for Zetsus. Plus even Nagato sensed the build up of chakra when Itachi was going to use it and knew exactly what it was. Sage Mode has better sensing and tracking abilities, it'd be a piece of cake to sense it and deal with it accordingly.

Wow... I had forgotten that its was a actual clone that dodged the raikage lol, the real one its definitely dodging it.

Thanks for for remembering me all of this.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

What makes Amaterasu “undodgeable” is that it spawns on the target that is focused on. You need to get out of the users line of sight to effectively avoid it. Amaterasu itself is not instantaneous however. This is proven by the fact the the user needs to build up chakra in their eye, which in turn causes so much strain that their eye begins to bleed. In this short window of opportunity, if a sensor notices this, they can shunshin out of a users LOS. Perhaps without intel, someone like Naruto wouldn’t know to do this, but with basic intel on Amaterasu this is the only logical reaction to it.

 

[KidGamer65]

What makes Amaterasu “undodgeable” is that it spawns on the target that is focused on. You need to get out of the users line of sight to effectively avoid it. Amaterasu itself is not instantaneous however. This is proven by the fact the the user needs to build up chakra in their eye, which in turn causes so much strain that their eye begins to bleed. In this short window of opportunity, if a sensor notices this, they can shunshin out of a users LOS. Perhaps without intel, someone like Naruto wouldn’t know to do this, but with basic intel on Amaterasu this is the only logical reaction to it.

This is clearly not going to work unless you are fast enough to escape their tracking in the first place, and Naruto is nowhere near fast enough. That's why Ay waited till right before it was used to Shunshin away. If Naruto dashes away while the chakra is being built up Sasuke follows his movements and releases it right on him.

 

[Mori Jin]

Wow... I had forgotten that its was a actual clone that dodged the raikage lol, the real one its definitely dodging it.

Thanks for for remembering me all of this.

You're Welcome. People seem to "forget" this

 

[Mellanoma]

You're Welcome. People seem to "forget" this

The problem with Amaterasu is there is no sensing or anticipation just chakra build up. Someone can prep Ama and never use it.
2nd problem: It Spawns on the user directly

Yes, Naruto dodged and countered 3rd Raikage but you have to factor in anticipation.
If someone is lunging directly at you. Obviously you can time and adjust yourself properly
Sage Mode enhances that EVEN more which is why Naruto made it look easy

However Amaterasu Mechanic is much more different.
Simply because the user builds chakra, looks and cast it directly on the user.


If Amaterasu was fired out of the eye I could see Naruto in SM dodging it but the fact that it "Spawns on the user" makes it near impossible for SM to avoid it.

Unless you are fast enough to get out of an MS eyesight it literally will spawn on you and finish you.

This is why I've always admired V2 Ay's speed. He literally blitzed out of the eyesight completely.

SM grants Naruto amazing reflexes and reaction speeds but Amaterasu requires more than reaction due to it's mechanic.
Naruto would need to be capable of out speeding the tracking of MS

 

[Peculiar Chester]

Gaara was able to react to it too, as I recall.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Clone Naruto in Sage Mode dodged the 3rd Raikage at point blank range. Sage Mode has danger sensing which helps them dodge at the last second. Amaterasu ain't doing shit. It has only ever landed on people who can tank it or don't care Madara (and Kaguya I think?), Naruto who dealt with it using a chakra cloak, Raikage dodged it and didn't care the second time. Nagato who was disabled from the legs.And things that are too big to even miss with the attack Hachibi and the Juubi and Nagatos massive summonigs. It's never actually killed anything or anyone of worth except for Zetsus. Plus even Nagato sensed the build up of chakra when Itachi was going to use it and knew exactly what it was. Sage Mode has better sensing and tracking abilities, it'd be a piece of cake to sense it and deal with it accordingly.

he can sense it but the problem is the speed needed to dodge it. So unless you can prove Naruto has speed on the level of V2 Raikage, he isn't dodging it. Listing a whole bunch of people who survived amaterasu is pointless since Naruto doesn't have the same luxuries they had. Don't get how Naruto dodging the 3rd raikage means he can escape amaterasu, when 3rd raikage is much slower than his son in v2 form.

 

[King Of Pop]

Gaara was able to react to it too, as I recall.

No gaara did no such thing .

 

[Mori Jin]

The problem with Amaterasu is there is no sensing or anticipation just chakra build up. Someone can prep Ama and never use it.
2nd problem: It Spawns on the user directly

Yes, Naruto dodged and countered 3rd Raikage but you have to factor in anticipation.
If someone is lunging directly at you. Obviously you can time and adjust yourself properly
Sage Mode enhances that EVEN more which is why Naruto made it look easy

However Amaterasu Mechanic is much more different.
Simply because the user builds chakra, looks and cast it directly on the user.


If Amaterasu was fired out of the eye I could see Naruto in SM dodging it but the fact that it "Spawns on the user" makes it near impossible for SM to avoid it.

Unless you are fast enough to get out of an MS eyesight it literally will spawn on you and finish you.

This is why I've always admired V2 Ay's speed. He literally blitzed out of the eyesight completely.

SM grants Naruto amazing reflexes and reaction speeds but Amaterasu requires more than reaction due to it's mechanic.
Naruto would need to be capable of out speeding the tracking of MS

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Nagato sensed it's build up, so yeah it can be sensed.

 

[Mori Jin]

he can sense it but the problem is the speed needed to dodge it. So unless you can prove Naruto has speed on the level of V2 Raikage, he isn't dodging it. Listing a whole bunch of people who survived amaterasu is pointless since Naruto doesn't have the same luxuries they had. Don't get how Naruto dodging the 3rd raikage means he can escape amaterasu, when 3rd raikage is much slower than his son in v2 form.

Can you prove he don't? His clone dodging the 3rd Raikage at point blank range is all the proof I need. Yeah he does he still has the chakra cloak, danger sensing that they don't have. That's a nice statement you made. Care to show where in the Manga it's said the 3rd Raikage is slower then his son?

 

[Mellanoma]

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Nagato sensed it's build up, so yeah it can be sensed.

Never said it couldn't be sensed. I was saying the mechanics of Amaterasu makes it difficult to dodge and near impossible for SM naruto. He can sense it but how can he dodge something that spawns on him? SM Naruto simply isn't fast enough to avoid eye contact of MS. Thats something that requires V2 Ay speed.

Naruto needs KCM level speeds.

 

[Mori Jin]

Never said it couldn't be sensed. I was saying the mechanics of Amaterasu makes it difficult to dodge and near impossible for SM naruto. He can sense it but how can he dodge something that spawns on him? SM Naruto simply isn't fast enough to avoid eye contact of MS. Thats something that requires V2 Ay speed.

Naruto needs KCM level speeds.

Your first sentence says it can't be sensed or anticipated, don't back track. Raikage who's not a sensor dodged it. Anyone faster then him and a sensor would also be able to do the same.

Sage Mode > KCM when it comes to sensing and reacting to fast opponents as said by Naruto. So no he don't need KCM, Sage Mode is more then enough.

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[Megax Rocker7]

Appearntly doing this:

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Can make you dodge this:

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Naruto faps always have a new positions to rape logic with.

Ay already knew about Amaterasu and was preparing shunshin beforehand, with Karin saying that his chakra is rising to bijuu level, that's what took Ay to be faster than Sasuke's MS tracking:

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Ay preparing Shunshin and boosting his chakra.

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Sasuke uses Amaterasu, but Ay already used his charged up shunshin to move out of Sasuke's eyesight and Sasuke used Amaterasu on Ay's after image, thus amaterasu spawned on the Samurai who was on the way of Sasuke's eyesight.

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Ay was so fast that Sasuke had no idea where he is, because his MS was unable to track his lightning shunshin

Naruto can sense it, but he can't move as fast Ay in his V2, so Sasuke's amaterasu hits him without a problem.

Now waiting for Naruto faps to say that SM Naruto is on the same league as V2 Ay shunshin in terms of speed.

 

[Mori Jin]

V2 Raikage dodges Amaterasu:

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KCM Naruto dodges V2 Raikage:

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Naruto then says he's faster in Sage Mode using it's danger sensing ability and is able to dodge at the last minute. This is after using KCM against V2 4th Raikage.

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Sage Mode Naruto senses and dodges Amaterasu easily.

 

[Edogawa]

where its the evidence that revived madara its slower? Show me the facts and then we can talk.

Do you actually know how to debate? I'm asking this to make sure I don't waste my precious time arguing with chumps. Madara says Tobirama was faster than him; Tobirama is as fast as Minato because they use the same Jutsu; Minato used FTG to dodge Ay's full speed; Ay used his full speed to dodge Amatersu, while being known as fastest Shinobi in manga and databook. And you argue Madara is as fast as Ay or Amatersu? Lmao. Go learn how burden of proof works, Narutard.

Naruto addresses the "raikages" as extremely fast, even after seeing ay going at full speed he never stated that he the other was slower.Not forgetting that both ay and his father are stated to have biju chakra levels and whe know for a fact that its those high levels of chakra that allow them to be that fast.

Don't care how fast 3rd Raikage is. What I seen in the manga is he blitzed fodders and that's it. What I read in the manga is, he's known only for his durability and not speed, contrast to his son. You can stop depending on 3rd Raikage's fanfic speed feats.

Madara blitzed SM Naruto, and Madara is not faster than Amatersu, regardless of how broken he is, so Amatersu blitzes and burns SM Naruto low diff.

 

[KidGamer65]

Appearntly doing this:

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Can make you dodge this:

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Naruto faps always have a new positions to rape logic with.

Ay already knew about Amaterasu and was preparing shunshin beforehand, with Karin saying that his chakra is rising to bijuu level, that's what took Ay to be faster than Sasuke's MS tracking:

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Ay preparing Shunshin and boosting his chakra.

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Sasuke uses Amaterasu, but Ay already used his charged up shunshin to move out of Sasuke's eyesight and Sasuke used Amaterasu on Ay's after image, thus amaterasu spawned on the Samurai who was on the way of Sasuke's eyesight.

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Ay was so fast that Sasuke had no idea where he is, because his MS was unable to track his lightning shunshin

Naruto can sense it, but he can't move as fast Ay in his V2, so Sasuke's amaterasu hits him without a problem.

Now waiting for Naruto faps to say that SM Naruto is on the same league as V2 Ay shunshin in terms of speed.

:lol Naruto faps are probably the worst cancer on this site. And it's always the same exact idiots too.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

V2 Raikage dodges Amaterasu:

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KCM Naruto dodges V2 Raikage:

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Naruto then says he's faster in Sage Mode using it's danger sensing ability and is able to dodge at the last minute. This is after using KCM against V2 4th Raikage.

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Sage Mode Naruto senses and dodges Amaterasu easily.

That's reaction speed, Naruto needs movment speed on par with V2 Ay to be faster than Sasuke's eyes, which he only has in KCM which is boosted by Kurama which is bijuu level shunshin which is the thing Ay used to dodge amaterasu.

Tilting his body won't prevent the flames from spawning all over him.

:lol Naruto faps are probably the worst cancer on this site. And it's always the same exact idiots too.

For real, at least the Sakura/Hinata wankers give us a good laugh, these dudes on the other hand post shit that's painful to read.

 

[Mori Jin]

That's reaction speed, Naruto needs movment speed on par with V2 Ay to be faster than Sasuke's eyes, which he only has in KCM which is boosted by Kurama which is bijuu level shunshin which is the thing Ay used to dodge amaterasu.

Tilting his body won't prevent the flames from spawning all over him.



For real, at least the Sakura/Hinata wankers give us a good laugh, these dudes on the other hand post shit that's painful to read.

Creating mass amount of clones and spreading them out and shunsining out of there when he senses the build up of chakra in his eye will.