Was Sage Mode Naruto enough for Mangekyou Sharingan Sasuke?

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Useless clones then? That makes it easier to know which one is the real Naruto.


Doesn't stop amaterasu from spawning all over the clones regardless.


There's no such thing as sensing a jutsu before it's build up,, Amaterasu can only be built up and used almost instantly, even Kaguya and Obito who have a far superior SM were only able to sense it right before it was used:
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Senses it, and then gets burned, it doesn't matter how slow it burns, Naruto would be flailing around and screaming while he's burned to death just like Hachibi.

If Naruto can't move out of Sasuke's eyesight, what makes you think he can make clones, then move out of Sasuke's eyesight?

Naruto's gets hit by amaterasu before he can even make the handsign for KB, let alone make clones and then spread around.



No, Naruto won't even be able to make clones with arrows coming his away, he'd be to busy trying to dodge them and even then that barrage is weaker than RS which is weaker than kirin which Susanoo tanked.

And no, Naruto can't even do any of those when Susanoo is raining down arrows on him, so are telling me Naruto can make 3 clones, make rasenshuriken, and dodge Sasuke's arrows and Katons at the same time?

And that's not including genjutsu and amaterasu which are instant GG.
Can't take you post seriously...Your entire argument its based of a fanfic verse where naruto has speed level of a scrub meanwhile sasuke has a speed level far a bove of god :lmao:
I just cant.

Nope, SM Naruto cannot use Kyuubi unless kurama is allowed, which is not in this match.

And nope, unless he's as fast as V2, Ay, which he's not, Sasuke's eyesight tracks and burns him.

I already addressed all your idiotic attempts, Naruto is not dodging amaterasu, period.

Also i will drop the raikage being equal to Ay statement once you guys bring a far better argument rather just because he is.
 

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Put the Manga scan of Kyuubi using a chakra cloak. A sage mode Naruto that can use chakra cloaks. Amaterasu has never raped Naruto though and thats all that matters in this scenario :sigar:.

I expected this from a naruto fan Naruto has bonded with Kurama he doesn't have bubbling chakra cloak anymore only kurama has that. Perhaps you should get off Naruto's D once in a while. And yes Ama rapes Naruto ploy shield is strong with this one. But in a death match not written by Kishi plot shield is ot of the window.

Oh by the way it's a match between SM Naruto and MS Sasuke chakra cloak or kcm which is the bare minimum requirement to face Sasuke to even manage a draw isn't part of it.
 

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Susanoo still shit on Naruto, Sasuke can still move around and have susanoo active and he can dodge RS and even fly around on his hawk and rain down arrows and Katon on Naruto until he dies, if he survives, kirin is already ready, and let's not forget genjutsu.:lol

Amaterasu is just the easiest answer, and still too hard for you to accept.

Also did also mentioned how sasuke never reched the level where he pulled out his entou susanoo version without going blind? So that version of susanoo its not allowed for being canonically used by MS :lol

So there goes that entou arrow.
 

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I expected this from a naruto fan Naruto has bonded with Kurama he doesn't have bubbling chakra cloak anymore only kurama has that. Perhaps you should get off Naruto's D once in a while. And yes Ama rapes Naruto ploy shield is strong with this one. But in a death match not written by Kishi plot shield is ot of the window.

Oh by the way it's a match between SM Naruto and MS Sasuke chakra cloak or kcm which is the bare minimum requirement to face Sasuke to even manage a draw isn't part of it.

It was always Kurama's chakra. Given to him but used by Naruto. Nothing's changed and nothing's been shown in the Manga Of Naruto not being able to use it. Just like it was used in VOTE 2, against guess what? Amaterasu. Maybe you should get off Sasuke dìck, it might help you think better then usual. You ain't the one who made this thread nor was it restricted, so yes it is part of it, as it's part of Naruto's arsenal.
 

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"Naruto moves when he senses it"

He needs to move as fast as Ay's in his V2 to be faster than Sasuke's eyesight, if he moves, his eye tracks Naruto and burns him.

And amaterasu can be as a big as a bijuu it'll cover Naruto and all his clones if he can even make them, taking off his clothes won't save him.

Unless you can prove that Naruto is able to move faster than Sasuke's MS can track, he gets burned to death, , I'm getting real tiered of repeating myself.

1. No he doesn't, he needs to move out of sasuke's line of sight. Raikage isn't a sensor hence him needing that speed as he didn't know when it was going to be used. Naruto does.

2. Has never been on an individual that wasn't mountain sized. So fanfic.

3. Unless you can prove Naruto can't move out of the way from an attack he sensed was already coming, he ain't getting burnt to death. Just like Madara didn't, just like Minato didn't and just like Naruto didn't. Cause you can't prove he gets defeated or caught unawares by Sasuje using amaterasu, whilst he's in Sage Mode.
 

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Can't take you post seriously...Your entire argument its based of a fanfic verse where naruto has speed level of a scrub meanwhile sasuke has a speed level far a bove of god :lmao:
I just cant.

Am not talking about kurama :lol.

Also i will drop the raikage being equal to Ay statement once you guys bring a far better argument rather just because he is.

Can Naruto make clones, make RS and dodge arrows at the same time? No

Can Naruto damage Susanoo that tanked kirin which is stronger than Naruto's RS? No

Can Naruto create 3 clones, make RS, and at aim at the hawk that has Susanoo and Sasuke while they're raining down arrows, Katons before kirin is ready while dodging said arrows and katons? No

Can Naruto even dodge Amaterasu? No

Can Naruto even counter genjutsu? No

The only fanfic I've seen here is Naruto having an NE coat that blocks amaterasu, Naruto being able to make rasengan stronger than the juubi TBB, and SM Naruto being on par with V2 Ay in movement speed, nothing unexpected from the same guy who claimed adult Naruto to be stronger than Kaguya.

I had already backtracked enough, MS Sasuke beats SM Naruto, end of discussion.
 

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It was always Kurama's chakra. Given to him but used by Naruto. Nothing's changed and nothing's been shown in the Manga Of Naruto not being able to use it. Just like it was used in VOTE 2, against guess what? Amaterasu. Maybe you should get off Sasuke dìck, it might help you think better then usual. You ain't the one who made this thread nor was it restricted, so yes it is part of it, as it's part of Naruto's arsenal.

Naruto using kurama's chakra as cloak hasn't been seen since they bonded only kurama can leak it into a cloak.

Perhaps you should read the title of the thread. It may give you an idea to the perimeters of the thread.
 

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1. No he doesn't, he needs to move out of sasuke's line of sight. Raikage isn't a sensor hence him needing that speed as he didn't know when it was going to be used. Naruto does.

2. Has never been on an individual that wasn't mountain sized. So fanfic.

3. Unless you can prove Naruto can't move out of the way from an attack he sensed was already coming, he ain't getting burnt to death. Just like Madara didn't, just like Minato didn't and just like Naruto didn't. Cause you can't prove he gets defeated or caught unawares by Sasuje using amaterasu, whilst he's in Sage Mode.

Lol not forgetting that naruto moved out of gamabunta head who is also as big as a biju in an instant, people forgetting that gaara's sand also protected him from amaterasu with nothing but pure speed zero sensing.

But at least they accept that sasuke's susanoo gets destroyed once in contact with his rasengan so i guess thats a progress.
 

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Naruto using kurama's chakra as cloak hasn't been seen since they bonded only kurama can leak it into a cloak.

Perhaps you should read the title of the thread. It may give you an idea to the perimeters of the thread.

Kurama has always leaked it, Naruto always asked for chakra and when he got enough (or alot of it) it turned into cloaks. That was always Kurama.

I have, have you? Where does it say he can't use Kurama's chakra?
 

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Lol not forgetting that naruto moved out of gamabunta head who is also as big as a biju in an instant, people forgetting that gaara's sand also protected him from amaterasu with nothing but pure speed zero sensing.

But at least they accept that sasuke's susanoo gets destroyed once in contact with his rasengan so i guess thats a progress.

Convenitenly forgotten moments.

Some still don't.
 

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Can Naruto make clones, make RS and dodge arrows at the same time? No
Would have been nice if he could use this many with his entou yes :lol

Can Naruto damage Susanoo that tanked kirin which is stronger than Naruto's RS? No
Kirin its weaker then RS:lol
Also not forgetting those mountain level rasengans pal.
Can Naruto create 3 clones, make RS, and at aim at the hawk that has Susanoo and Sasuke while they're raining down arrows, Katons before kirin is ready while dodging said arrows and katons? No
And as stated above it would have been cool if sasuke could spamm those arrows but he can't without going bllind.
Also who said that naruto can only spamm 3 clones:lol the frog sage Pa said that he could only use 4 clones to gather NE not to fight lol he ended up spaming on the kurama fight :lol

inb4 you idiots say that it was on his subconscious they were fighting there as chakra not just as astral figures
Can Naruto even dodge Amaterasu? yes
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Can Naruto even counter genjutsu? No
Actually he can, thats the reason why tobirama created the shadow clone jutsu. Even if their chakra is devided once one manipulates his own chakra it resonates through the others thus releasing the one that was put under genjutsu, thats how kakashi was able to grab itachi when he putted him on a genjutsu.

The only fanfic I've seen here is Naruto having an NE coat that blocks amaterasu, Naruto being able to make rasengan stronger than the juubi TBB, and SM Naruto being on par with V2 Ay in movement speed, nothing unexpected from the same guy who claimed adult Naruto to be stronger than Kaguya.

I had already backtracked enough, MS Sasuke beats SM Naruto, end of discussion.
Oh that the denial still goes on... K then lets try it again these time i wont be droping too hard facts
Here we have naruto and sasuke attacking him with a senjutsu applied bijudama along with sasuke's senjutsu arrow. and what happens to the shield its just a light damage.
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Now lets take alook at when they throw a few rasengans into that shield and this is what we get.Hole
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My point its rasengan can indeed be mountain level as stated by the author it doesn't matter how much you and your friends are crying about it :lol, move on.
 

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Would have been nice if he could use this many with his entou yes :lol


Kirin its weaker then RS:lol
Also not forgetting those mountain level rasengans pal.

And as stated above it would have been cool if sasuke could spamm those arrows but he can't without going bllind.
Also who said that naruto can only spamm 3 clones:lol the frog sage Pa said that he could only use 4 clones to gather NE not to fight lol he ended up spaming on the kurama fight :lol

inb4 you idiots say that it was on his subconscious they were fighting there as chakra not just as astral figures

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Actually he can, thats the reason why tobirama created the shadow clone jutsu. Even if their chakra is devided once one manipulates his own chakra it resonates through the others thus releasing the one that was put under genjutsu, thats how kakashi was able to grab itachi when he putted him on a genjutsu.


Oh that the denial still goes on... K then lets try it again these time i wont be droping too hard facts
Here we have naruto and sasuke attacking him with a senjutsu applied bijudama along with sasuke's senjutsu arrow. and what happens to the shield its just a light damage.
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Now lets take alook at when they throw a few rasengans into that shield and this is what we get.Hole
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My point its rasengan can indeed be mountain level as stated by the author it doesn't matter how much you and your friends are crying about it :lol, move on.

He'll never move on :lmao:
 

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-Still not an Invasion of Pain Arc feat.
-Still not an Invasion of Pain Arc feat.
-Exploding doesn't change anything.
-V2 was a counter attack, not bolstered defenses.

If this were War Arc Sage Mode Naruto, you might be right. But then you're acknowledging that Naruto needs like 4 more arcs to catch up to MS Sasuke, and I don't think you're wanting to admit that.

Invasion of Pain Arc Sage Mode Naruto can only use 2 Rasenshuriken before running out of Senjutsu chakra and needing prep to reactivate Sage Mode. Do you believe that 100+ Oodama Rasengan use less chakra than 2 Rasenshuriken?

This is a good point. But there is also the factor of Naruto's Shadow Clones during the Pain invasion. He had 2 clones back at the mountain gathering NE for reserves pretty much half of the fight meaning the Sage Mode Naruto that battled the 5 paths at least wasn't at full power. At least I think. Wouldn't that mean he was only at 1/3 the power?
 

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This is a good point. But there is also the factor of Naruto's Shadow Clones during the Pain invasion. He had 2 clones back at the mountain gathering NE for reserves pretty much half of the fight meaning the Sage Mode Naruto that battled the 5 paths at least wasn't at full power. At least I think. Wouldn't that mean he was only at 1/3 the power?

No you don't lose power becsuse of that all it means is Naruto had 1/3 chakra. However once he released the clones the natural energy should've been unbalanced and Naruto should've become a stone statue but a little plot shield was there as usual.
 
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No you don't lose power becsuse of that all it means is Naruto had 1/3 chakra. However once he released the clones the natural energy should've been unbalanced and Naruto should've become a stone statue but a little plot shield was there as usual.


How is that a plot shield? He trained for that and it was his idea. That's like saying Sasuke reverse summoning Manda to protect him from Deidara's suicide bomb was plot shield.

That was just good planning on his end. Also it does mean he was at 1/3 the power. He had 1/3 chakra which means he could only do 1/3 the effort.

Don't get me wrong against Pain it still wouldn't have changed the outcome. He still would have needed Kurama. But if we are putting him against MS Sasuke we should at least take that's into account.
 

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How is that a plot shield? He trained for that and it was his idea. That's like saying Sasuke reverse summoning Manda to protect him from Deidara's suicide bomb was plot shield.

That was just good planning on his end. Also it does mean he was at 1/3 the power. He had 1/3 chakra which means he could only do 1/3 the effort.

Don't get me wrong against Pain it still wouldn't have changed the outcome. He still would have needed Kurama. But if we are putting him against MS Sasuke we should at least take that's into account.

What on earth. The chakra is divided into 3 parts each drawing natural energy in balance with it's 3rd of chakra. While main body Naruto is battling he's using and losing chakra. So the moment he release a shadow clone and gains natural energy it should be less or more than his original therefore becoming completely ineffective or turning him into a toad. That didn't happen so therefore clear plot shield for Naruto.

Reverse summoning is still possible and that doesn't negate common sense.

1/3 the chakra doesn't mean Naruto was 1/3 as capable and he was fighting pretty much a drained pain so that's hardly a feat. His strength or speed didn't fall to 1/3 and neither did his jutsu strength.
 

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What on earth. The chakra is divided into 3 parts each drawing natural energy in balance with it's 3rd of chakra. While main body Naruto is battling he's using and losing chakra. So the moment he release a shadow clone and gains natural energy it should be less or more than his original therefore becoming completely ineffective or turning him into a toad. That didn't happen so therefore clear plot shield for Naruto.

Reverse summoning is still possible and that doesn't negate common sense.

1/3 the chakra doesn't mean Naruto was 1/3 as capable and he was fighting pretty much a drained pain so that's hardly a feat. His strength or speed didn't fall to 1/3 and neither did his jutsu strength.

Not a plot shield you just can't read.

They don't gather natural energy and that it. They convert it to sage chakra (meaning its pre balanced) then they send it over.

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Sp already did a skit of this fight. Their details are pretty accurate as Naruto gets slaughtered once Susanoo is brought out.
 

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Literally showed a manga scan and nothing was wrong with his ribcage. You can step on hardwood and hear a creak and it'll still be perfectly fine. Making a noise don't mean it broke at all.

It literally showed in the manga that it was creaking and taking damage that's what the creaks mean, here's another example:

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Creak creak and visible cracks in the onmyoudon shield.

Let the rasengan explode and the same thing that happened to obito would have happened to madara. Hence him stepping it up to v2
 
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