Apparently, Nagato's Edo Tensei robe can be, so, yes, it can seal rocks. Also, it won't be just piercing rocks, the Totsuka will penetrate to CT's core orb. After all, the blade has no physical form and is the ethereal version of the Sword of Kusanagi.
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That scan is nothing but hype. If he believe this shit than Prime Hiruzen > all Hokage
Except it's not hype, it's a fact. It has feats of sealing anything it pierces: For instance, Nagato's Edo Tensei clothes and the rear swrds from the 8-Hydra snake summoning. Actually, the scan I provided is all 100% factual.
I'm not in the mood to counter your other points. Kidgamer and VariaBossX already elaborated in so many different ways as to why your proposed strategy won't work.
That's not how it went for Jiraiya. He never called others until Jiraiya started getting the upper hand, but since Itachi has quick moves that will kill him once they hit, he'll never call the others.
-Already said why Animal Path stands no chance, go read my post.
-Already said why the other 3 aren't going to come in at all while Animal Path is here.
This parts irrelevant as Animal Path won't be alive, but I'll reply anyway.
Then Susanoo limbs crush them while Shurikenjutsu takes care of Preta.
Before or after Itachi kills them? Lol, before. Obviously, unless he stands there.
He'll be right in front of her, they aren't fast enough to do anything, nor can they do anything with their moveset once it reaches this point.
Uh..wrong. They appeared AFTER Gama Rinsho.
Not even gonna reply to this part. The way you have this fight laid out is pure nonsense.
-Since when was Animal Path able to summon all his summons before Itachi kills him, especially since Itachi can kill him before he ever summons them.
-Since when was it 4 on 1 when Itachi can quickly kill off Animal Path with 2/3 of his MS techniques?
That is all Itachi has to do, don't mention her fodder techniques here. Ribcage says hi.
The rest of this only comes about if we follow your ridiculous scenario
CT won't be used in his home village. Read the OP.
Apparently, Nagato's Edo Tensei robe can be, so, yes, it can seal rocks. Also, it won't be just piercing rocks, the Totsuka will penetrate to CT's core orb. After all, the blade has no physical form and is the ethereal version of the Sword of Kusanagi.
Except it's not hype, it's a fact. It has feats of sealing anything it pierces: For instance, Nagato's Edo Tensei clothes and the rear swrds from the 8-Hydra snake summoning. Actually, the scan I provided is all 100% factual.
I'm not in the mood to counter your other points. Kidgamer and VariaBossX already elaborated in so many different ways as to why your proposed strategy won't work.
I'm not going to repeat myself anymore on this point since it stems from the idea that Itachi will know that the Paths he is fighting are actually corpses controlled by chakra. Speaking of which:
Even Itachi knows what the six paths are and how it is used, he read the tablet of Uchiha's with all its secrets and even he knows that Madara is the leader and not Nagato.
Those panels in no way prove that Itachi knows what the Six Paths are. Neither do they prove that Itachi knows that Nagato will be controlling his Paths through chakra rods, that said Paths are actually corpses, or what each Path's ability is. To make things worse, you don't have any proof that all of the Rinnegan's abilities are explained on the tablet, specifically the way Nagato uses his through corpses. Even if they were there, you also have no proof that someone with only a Mangekyo Sharingan can read that part of the tablet.
Therefore, I shall stick with what I've been saying all along. Itachi has no knowledge of how Nagato uses his Paths, what they really are (corpses used like puppets), nor which Path possesses which ability. He doesn't even know most of their abilities at this point in the manga.
Let's ignore the other enemies Deva Path had to look out for as well as Kakashi. And the fact that merely being able to pull off Shinra Tensei at all means his reflexes would have to be good, just as good as Itachi's. And the fact that he dodged a larger attack in the form of Chouji and Chouza's enlarged fists just moments ago ...
Animal Path is less physically capable than the other Paths, as quite clearly shown in the same scan you posted, which is why Human Path had to throw her out of the way. And even then, Human Path would have dodged it as well had Rasenshuriken not expanded like it did. The other Paths still dodged it casually.
. They were there to slow him down. Deva using chakra rods was the quickest way he could dispatch them as well as dodge Rasenshuriken at the same time. Still not evidence that the Paths are slow.
to Kyuubi Naruto in both of the times that he tried to blitz Deva Path ...
Nevermind he was able to
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between them to launch Chibaku Tensei....
You do understand that had Deva Path really been too slow for Kyuubi Naruto, he would not be able to react in time to launch Shinra Tensei or Bansho Tenin?
More ad hominem and a failure to actually apply some common sense.
Jiraiya, Ma and Pa were fighting the Paths with a few assumptions in mind: that they were alive (hence why they were shocked when they came back,
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, and that their vision was shared with each other because of said Rinnegan. They were wrong on all counts. The Paths were not alive, they were corpses controlled by chakra. They did not possess the Rinnegan, Nagato did, and his Six Paths jutsu caused the Rinnegan to appear in their eyes as an effect of his chakra controlling them. Thus, they could not share vision with each other since they are dead. Which is why Jiraiya's revelation at the end (
Yet the jinchuriki are clearly there, clearly talking and clearly aware of what was going on. They literally state that Obito can't intrude on their conversation, which means that that entire exchange occurred outside the influence of Obito's chakra. In other words, each jinchuriki possessed consciousness. Again, not the same as Nagato's Paths. Yahiko would not suddenly resurface if Nagato stops giving chakra to Deva Path because there's no soul or consciousness in Deva Path. The same applies to the rest of Nagato's Paths. It doesn't get any simpler than that.
And I'm questioning your reading comprehension. Let's look at that quote again:
"Via using Sharingan genjutsu on one ninja, then using Sharingan genjutsu on another. "
The subject in this sentence is Itachi. He is using Sharingan genjutsu on one ninja, then using Sharingan genjutsu on another ninja. Unless English is not your first language, I don't see how you could misinterpret that sentence. Unless you were just creating a strawman ...
Do you even know what via means?
Itachi (the subject) cast a genjustu on all other ninjas (plural) all at once, no ninja is being used as a medium (via).
I responded:
"Via using Sharingan genjutsu on one ninja, then using Sharingan genjutsu on another. "
It's clear that Itachi is the subject of that sentence, as it is a direct response to the quote. It's also clear that Itachi casting Sharingan genjutsu is an action that he has to use more than once for multiple ninja to fall under it. Nowhere did I say Itachi can cast a genjutsu on several ninjas at once, especially seeing that he has no feats of doing so.
Itachi states he will activate Izanami ... after getting freed from Kabuto's genjutsu by Sasuke. Therefore he was unable to break free on his own, Sasuke can cast genjutsu on Itachi, and Izanami was not activated until
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, where his Sharingan fades away, in the chapter aptly named "Izanami's Activation".
Nowhere is the bolded stated in the scan provided. All Jiraiya says is that some of Naruto's enemies will be genjutsu users. Therefore I will regard that as speculation.
As for the rest, I seriously doubt Jiraiya would not teach Nagato, Yahiko and Konan how to defend against genjutsu when he knows they would likely be facing genjutsu users as well while trying to survive in their country.
And that's still not taking into account Nagato's feat of being able to create powerful genjutsu shields in the minds of the fodder in his village.
Kabuto praising Itachi's insight is not evidence that the Sharingan reads minds.
Madara being able to use Sage Mode sensing is not evidence that the Sharingan reads minds.
Upon realizing he was caught in a genjutsu, Orochimaru attempts to bring his hands together in much the same way Naruto did when he tried to counter genjutsu. Only unlike Naruto, he got his hand chopped off. What else do you think he was going to do, clap?
-Itachi would easily be able to crush Animal Path with Susanoo before things got ugly, considering Susanoo's strike speed, even if he got the first summon off, Susanoo would manhandle it along with the Animal Path since Sharingan will let him see the invisible chameleon.
happen? Only Naruto had an inkling of an idea of where Nagato was due to his ability to sense negative emotions, and he still got blindsided by Shinra Tensei. Itachi could have stopped this ambush from happening in the first place if he was able to see the chameleon, yet we don't see him until well after the Shinra Tensei, where Naruto and Bee were about to be captured, and Kabuto practically forgot Itachi was there.
Besides that, it feels like you're both overestimating Itachi's Susano'o strike speed and underestimating the speed at which Animal Path can launch summons, including the speed at which some summons can move. Itachi has only ever managed to stab stationary targets with Susano'o, and even then, the sealing process takes time as is seen with Nagato and Orochimaru both being able to say quite a bit before being sealed.
On the other hand, the chameleon was able to keep up with a Naruto and Bee blasted back with Shinra Tensei while invisible, and
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. After that Animal Path is free to bombard Itachi with the rhino, bull and immortal multiplying dog whilst he uses up his chakra keeping up Susano'o.
Jiraiya didn't have the skillset to easily one shot the summoned animals, that is why he had trouble, Itachi has Susanoo and Amaterasu, there is no issue for him here.
-Konan is a non factor as a Ribcage is enough to tank whatever weak attacks she has, Amaterasu lights her up and he calls it a day.
on his already sick body. If he uses either technique to deal with all of Animal Path's summons as well as Konan and Animal Path, then he is going to be half dead by the time the other Paths show up.
Once Animal Path is dead, I guess that Preta and Human Path will come out, but they stand no chance against Itachi either.
-Susanoo would easily smash Human Path, and since Ninjutsu is ineffective due to Preta Path, Taijutsu and Bukijutsu will be enough to handle Preta, so these Pain bodies die quickly as well.
If Itachi defeats Animal Path and/or Konan, Nagato is no longer going to send the Paths out in just pairs. He will send out the other 5 at the same time, or at the very least Deva + Preta + Naraka. Preta absorbs all of Itachi's ninjutsu whilst Deva Path can use a strong enough Shinra Tensei to protect both Naraka and Preta whilst Naraka goes to revive a defeated Path.
is what screwed Jiraiya over. Asura Path was able to get the best of him and push him back, allowing Naraka to revive the killed Pain bodies, which were all assembled into one spot. Itachi has Susanoo, so Asura would NEVER be able to do what he did to Jiraiya to him, and instead he'd get counter killed;
How will Itachi know the exact number of Paths he has to face? Up til now no one has given proof that Itachi was privy to that level of knowledge on Nagato's Paths.
and Naraka would get no opportunity to revive the other Pain bodies, so its Deva and Naraka vs Itachi. Naraka is a non factor for obvious reasons and Deva can't beat Itachi without CST or CT as he can't breach Susanoo, and OP has clearly stated that Pain will not use these moves.
Assuming that Itachi will know of Naraka's ability to resurrect the other Paths, that he will be able to maintain a full Susano'o if he's going to be using Amaterasu and Susano'o to take of Animal Path's summons, Animal Path + Konan, and that Deva Path doesn't just use the same level of Shinra Tensei he used on the boss toads to blast Itachi back whilst Naraka brings back any defeated bodies.
And if Itachi goes with Mangekyo techniques right off the bat on Animal Path + Konan, Nagato is not going to just send Paths out one by one (or in pairs) to get killed. He will bring out the rest of his Paths in full force, and it is then that Itachi will run out of steam.
Nagato shares the mind of his paths, because dead corpse don't have a mind of its own.
I'm not going to repeat myself anymore on this point since it stems from the idea that Itachi will know that the Paths he is fighting are actually corpses controlled by chakra. Speaking of which:
Don't repeat yourself, I have proof and you don't.
I showed proof that Itachi is alread aware of nagato's six path of pein which he easily took out during their last fight.
enough said...
Those panels in no way prove that Itachi knows what the Six Paths are. Neither do they prove that Itachi knows that Nagato will be controlling his Paths through chakra rods, that said Paths are actually corpses, or what each Path's ability is. To make things worse, you don't have any proof that all of the Rinnegan's abilities are explained on the tablet, specifically the way Nagato uses his through corpses. Even if they were there, you also have no proof that someone with only a Mangekyo Sharingan can read that part of the tablets.
Therefore, I shall stick with what I've been saying all along. Itachi has no knowledge of how Nagato uses his Paths, what they really are (corpses used like puppets), nor which Path possesses which ability. He doesn't even know most of their abilities at this point in the manga.
That means he beats konan, then moves on to fight pain one on one like jiraiya did.
Read OP
Let's ignore the other enemies Deva Path had to look out for as well as Kakashi. And the fact that merely being able to pull off Shinra Tensei at all means his reflexes would have to be good, just as good as Itachi's. And the fact that he dodged a larger attack in the form of Chouji and Chouza's enlarged fists just moments ago ...
No since it only takes one blink to repel, that means he is piss poor on reflexes and through his sensing ability he already saw chouji and his dad.
No surprise there, especially when one of thos paths failed to dodge anyway.
Animal Path is less physically capable than the other Paths, as quite clearly shown in the same scan you posted, which is why Human Path had to throw her out of the way. And even then, Human Path would have dodged it as well had Rasenshuriken not expanded like it did. The other Paths still dodged it casually.
More assumptions, you need proof other than that this whole fragment is baseless assumption on your part.
Especially when using corpse you can't measure strength when they are not alive according to you
Way to misinterpret that panel. The Naruto clones
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. They were there to slow him down. Deva using chakra rods was the quickest way he could dispatch them as well as dodge Rasenshuriken at the same time. Still not evidence that the Paths are slow.
It's not misinterpreting anything when he uses the clones as a leverage because the rasenshuuriken was right next him. Compared to itachi who didn't use any means of support did better than pein.
Not to mention he failed to dodge the last rasengan, so you're also wrong on that account.
Because run of the mill Fuma shuriken travel anywhere near as fast as Rasenshuriken. Even then Itachi still got caught when Sasuke
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. Replace that with a Rasenshuriken that decides to expand the same way it did against Human Path and you will have a dead Itachi.
It does move faster than a rasenshuuriken especially when you use raikiri to amplify it like he did towards itachi.
Did you see how many times Kakazu dodge the one in naruto's hand?
Even kcm naruto who is fatser missed when throwing it towards the third raikage, he had to get right next to him in order for it to work.
Even when Sasuke dispatched it only one piece of it touched itachi, naruto would still miss if it were up against itachi.
Yet Deva Path was
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to Kyuubi Naruto in both of the times that he tried to blitz Deva Path ...
Nevermind he was able to
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between them to launch Chibaku Tensei....
You do understand that had Deva Path really been too slow for Kyuubi Naruto, he would not be able to react in time to launch Shinra Tensei or Bansho Tenin?
Six tailed naruto was right behind him, he had to run and create ct in order to pull naruto away from him.
If he was really that fast, he wouldn't of gotten blown away
More ad hominem and a failure to actually apply some common sense. Jiraiya, Ma and Pa were fighting the Paths with a few assumptions in mind: that they were alive (hence why they were shocked when they came back,
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, and that their vision was shared with each other because of said Rinnegan. They were wrong on all counts. The Paths were not alive, they were corpses controlled by chakra. They did not possess the Rinnegan, Nagato did, and his Six Paths jutsu caused the Rinnegan to appear in their eyes as an effect of his chakra controlling them. Thus, they could not share vision with each other since they are dead. Which is why Jiraiya's revelation at the end (
Yet the jinchuriki are clearly there, clearly talking and clearly aware of what was going on. They literally state that Obito can't intrude on their conversation, which means that that entire exchange occurred outside the influence of Obito's chakra. In other words, each jinchuriki possessed consciousness. Again, not the same as Nagato's Paths. Yahiko would not suddenly resurface if Nagato stops giving chakra to Deva Path because there's no soul or consciousness in Deva Path. The same applies to the rest of Nagato's Paths. It doesn't get any simpler than that.
No, those are the remaining chakra of the jinchuuiriki (just like minato towards naruto) they are allowed to partake in the subconscious of the bijuu for a brief moment.
Kurama said bijuus conscious and not the jinchuuriki
manga>>>your worthless thoughts
Edo tensei i just posted proved you wrong once again because when they fough kcm naruto and bee, not one of them uttered a word.
Bringing back 3 Paths is nothing to the guy who flattened a whole village
Deidara can do the same thing with C3, it's not impressive at all.
Orochimaru can take down a small country, even Obito controlled a perfect jinchuuriki and controlled a whole mist village while destroying konaha with two kages at the same time.
Pain using the huge st put him at risk, which wasted him three paths just to get his chakra back.
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Because once again, you are misinterpreting my words.
You asked:
Or your grammar was off, especially when you've been misinterpreting every scan shown so far...
I wouldn't be surprised
I responded:
"Via using Sharingan genjutsu on one ninja, then using Sharingan genjutsu on another. "
It's clear that Itachi is the subject of that sentence, as it is a direct response to the quote. It's also clear that Itachi casting Sharingan genjutsu is an action that he has to use more than once for multiple ninja to fall under it. Nowhere did I say Itachi can cast a genjutsu on several ninjas at once, especially seeing that he has no feats of doing so.
Aaannnnddd that is where you are wrong, which leads you back to what Shikamru's dad stated or implied.
Hence why I posted the scan of kakashi taking out two of Danzou's anbu with one glare:
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He's also a novice compared to itachi
The manga disagrees with you:
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Itachi states he will activate Izanami ... after getting freed from Kabuto's genjutsu by Sasuke. Therefore he was unable to break free on his own, Sasuke can cast genjutsu on Itachi, and Izanami was not activated until
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, where his Sharingan fades away, in the chapter aptly named "Izanami's Activation".
Don't even start because that is completely wrong, I already beat that thread of how inzanami works.
Before you even joined:
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Inzanami was already prepared form here
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A you use the body sensation, then A' is when you replicate the same body sensation using your ocular powers (which you mistaken for him using).
That was all inzanami, even itachi said it was from the beginning:
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The user goes blind after the justu is finished
Nowhere is the bolded stated in the scan provided. All Jiraiya says is that some of Naruto's enemies will be genjutsu users. Therefore I will regard that as speculation.
As for the rest, I seriously doubt Jiraiya would not teach Nagato, Yahiko and Konan how to defend against genjutsu when he knows they would likely be facing genjutsu users as well while trying to survive in their country.
And that's still not taking into account Nagato's feat of being able to create powerful genjutsu shields in the minds of the fodder in his village.
Jiraiya never stated that he will teach nagato genjustu, so no proof or scans to back up your assumption.
Here is another proof:
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Nagato by no means shown any resistance to genjustu or knew how
Kabuto praising Itachi's insight is not evidence that the Sharingan reads minds.
Madara being able to use Sage Mode sensing is not evidence that the Sharingan reads minds.
So biting your lips mean you can break out of a genjsutu counter? :|
Didn't even say ocular genjustu, which is the worst part for you.
Because what is bitting the lips going to do for pain?
They can't feel pain according to you
Read the databook
Upon realizing he was caught in a genjutsu, Orochimaru attempts to bring his hands together in much the same way Naruto did when he tried to counter genjutsu. Only unlike Naruto, he got his hand chopped off. What else do you think he was going to do, clap?
I can see Itachi pushing Nagato to pull out all 6 the same instance with Jiraiya.
All 6 are just way too much for Itachi. I used to believe Tsukuyomi would be capable of 1 shotting Pain, but that's impossible.
When Naruto thinks back to Jiraiya teaching him about resisting genjutsu, he explains how genjutsu works. The user's chakra (Itachi's) has to enter the opponent's brain and it screws with their 5 senses. Basically how Tsukuyomi works is that Itachi emits chakra in a straight line from his Tsukuyomi eye. That's why if you look at his eye, his chakra can access the brain directly through the eyes (yea it's speculation but give me a more logical explanation).
^ The issue is that Nagato's chakra is controlling the corpses, the corpses don't have (living) brains. If anything, Tsukuyomi could only affect the pain that's looking at Itachi, Nagato can use the other 5's vision to help counter this.
Pain has all of Itachi's arsenal countered sadly.
-Tsukuyomi (as stated above)
-Amaterasu (Preta, and Tendo)
-Susano'o - Tendo was easily agile enough to dodge Gamabunta...Itachi's Susano'o lacks speed feats. He sliced and diced A bunch of serpent heads that share the same body...he stabbed a caught off guard, laughing Orochimaru, and stabbed Nagato who Kabuto already stated lost because of no mobility. + this is an ill Itachi that fought Hebi Sasuke, using Susano'o doesn't work in his favor. Itachi has this if this is his part 1 version since he had better stamina then.
Itachi has this. The only people who could defeat Itachi are Madara and Hashirama, and that's only because one inherited the power of Indra and the other Ashura's. Anyways..
If Pain drags Itachi towards him with Bansho Ten'in, Itachi summons Susano'o and Pain could possibly faceplant himself. If not, Preta could block it and absorb the chakra (assuming he gets there fast enough, because knowing Itachi he would probably only summon it at the right moment) but the sword of Totsuka could just go around and slice him in half at the back OR go for Tendo himself. Same for Chibaku Tensei. He could either use an excessive amount more of Yasaka Magatama (I doubt he needs to use much. When Bee and Naruto attacked the core, it exploded with unnecessary force, making me believe that Naruto and Bee's attack was just overkill) or flat out pierce it with Totsuka, ending it's gravitational attraction.
Any summonings will be controlled by Itachi's visual prowess and only end up becoming a hindrence for the opposers. If he doesn't control them, he just lights them up with Amaterasu.
The usefulness of the paths' eye connection is Itachi's absolute genjutsu prowess. The only way they know where Itachi is is if they look at him, which means that he can cast his Tsukuyomi on only one to affect them all, INCLUDING NAGATO (not to mention that if this is before Itachi implanted KA crow bun shin in Naruto, he could one-shot all paths AND Nagato with KA, lmfao). Also, Itachi noted that he could control DSM Kabuto with his genjutsu prowess to FORCE HIM TO TELL HIM SOMETHING, and if he could do that, he could just cast his genjutsu on Tendo in the end and indirectly force Nagato to tell him his location. He'd end him from there. (Btw, why couldn't he just do that from the start? He's more than capable.)
The Asura Path is blocked by the Susano'o, he's too fast to be grabbed by the Human or Naraka path (which needs to happen in order for them to utilize their powers), and even if they did, he could just transform into crows to escape their grasps. And if anything has the potential to break the Susano'o, Itachi just blocks it with the Yata.
BTW Itachi has his eyes everywhere too. He can use crow bunshins to hide behind places, watch the paths' movements, and relay the information back to him and then respond in kind.
Itachi would have a harder time fighting a healthy Nagato tbh.
If Jiraiya, who is a complete NOVICE in Genjutsu compared to Itachi, could take down two Paths with ease by using Genjutsu, I'm sure as hell certain Itachi could do triple the same with just as much effort.
Itachi has this. The only people who could defeat Itachi are Madara and Hashirama, and that's only because one inherited the power of Indra and the other Ashura's. Anyways..
If Pain drags Itachi towards him with Bansho Ten'in, Itachi summons Susano'o and Pain could possibly faceplant himself. If not, Preta could block it and absorb the chakra (assuming he gets there fast enough, because knowing Itachi he would probably only summon it at the right moment) but the sword of Totsuka could just go around and slice him in half at the back OR go for Tendo himself. Same for Chibaku Tensei. He could either use an excessive amount more of Yasaka Magatama (I doubt he needs to use much. When Bee and Naruto attacked the core, it exploded with unnecessary force, making me believe that Naruto and Bee's attack was just overkill) or flat out pierce it with Totsuka, ending it's gravitational attraction.
Any summonings will be controlled by Itachi's visual prowess and only end up becoming a hindrence for the opposers. If he doesn't control them, he just lights them up with Amaterasu.
The usefulness of the paths' eye connection is Itachi's absolute genjutsu prowess. The only way they know where Itachi is is if they look at him, which means that he can cast his Tsukuyomi on only one to affect them all, INCLUDING NAGATO (not to mention that if this is before Itachi implanted KA crow bun shin in Naruto, he could one-shot all paths AND Nagato with KA, lmfao). Also, Itachi noted that he could control DSM Kabuto with his genjutsu prowess to FORCE HIM TO TELL HIM SOMETHING, and if he could do that, he could just cast his genjutsu on Tendo in the end and indirectly force Nagato to tell him his location. He'd end him from there. (Btw, why couldn't he just do that from the start? He's more than capable.)
The Asura Path is blocked by the Susano'o, he's too fast to be grabbed by the Human or Naraka path (which needs to happen in order for them to utilize their powers), and even if they did, he could just transform into crows to escape their grasps. And if anything has the potential to break the Susano'o, Itachi just blocks it with the Yata.
BTW Itachi has his eyes everywhere too. He can use crow bunshins to hide behind places, watch the paths' movements, and relay the information back to him and then respond in kind.
Itachi would have a harder time fighting a healthy Nagato tbh.
If Jiraiya, who is a complete NOVICE in Genjutsu compared to Itachi, could take down two Paths with ease by using Genjutsu, I'm sure as hell certain Itachi could do triple the same with just as much effort.
-Proof that Itachi can take control of Pain's summonings? Pain is evidently controlling them with Rinnegan seen as they have the Rinnegan eyes. There is no way in hell Itachi can spam Amaterasu enough times to destroy every single summoning. He'd be dead from no chakra.
-I agree with your point on Chibaku tensei except that he won't be able to Totsuka slash the core because there will be thick layers of rock covering the core. Magatamas are enough though imo.
-You make the Tsukuyomi 1 shots due to shared vision argument but there's an issue: Jiraiya explains in early shippuden how genjutsu works. It's the opponent's chakra (Itachi) entering the victim (pain body) which disrupts the chakra flow and screwing with the 5 senses. How is Itachi's chakra going to reach Nagato? The 6 pains seems to share hearing yet when 3 were caught, the other 3 were unphased by the genjutsu.
-Itachi is going to make one of the dead bodies give away Nagato's location? They're dead bodies for a reason, Nagato controls them like puppets. That's like Itachi using genjutsu on Kankuro's puppets.
-Jiraiya is a novice in genjutsu yes, but there's a slight issue. He didn't cast the genjutsu, Ma and Pa did. It was also stated by Shikamaru in part 1 that sound based genjutsu is the most lethal, when warning Temari about Tayuyua's flute.
-A bunch of crow clone spam isn't going to help Itachi all too much. Nagato positions his 6 paths to cover as many blind spots as possible. Susano'o and Amaterasu are his only hopes of taking down the paths, but as mentioned earlier Preta and Deva have speed feats over Susano'o, and Preta/Deva can repel/absorb amaterasu.
Nagato shares the mind of his paths, because dead corpse don't have a mind of its own.
Don't repeat yourself, I have proof and you don't.
I showed proof that Itachi is alread aware of nagato's six path of pein which he easily took out during their last fight.
enough said...
You're joking right?
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Which is completely false, otherwise he wouldn't of known how to take nagato out
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That means he beats konan, then moves on to fight pain one on one like jiraiya did.
Read OP
No since it only takes one blink to repel, that means he is piss poor on reflexes and through his sensing ability he already saw chouji and his dad.
No surprise there, especially when one of thos paths failed to dodge anyway.
More assumptions, you need proof other than that this whole fragment is baseless assumption on your part.
Especially when using corpse you can't measure strength when they are not alive according to you
It's not misinterpreting anything when he uses the clones as a leverage because the rasenshuuriken was right next him. Compared to itachi who didn't use any means of support did better than pein.
Not to mention he failed to dodge the last rasengan, so you're also wrong on that account.
It does move faster than a rasenshuuriken especially when you use raikiri to amplify it like he did towards itachi.
Did you see how many times Kakazu dodge the one in naruto's hand?
Even kcm naruto who is fatser missed when throwing it towards the third raikage, he had to get right next to him in order for it to work.
Even when Sasuke dispatched it only one piece of it touched itachi, naruto would still miss if it were up against itachi.
Six tailed naruto was right behind him, he had to run and create ct in order to pull naruto away from him.
If he was really that fast, he wouldn't of gotten blown away
Ma and Pa were observing the fight against pain, they knew how the visions worked.
The fact that they didn't know that one pain had the ability to revive pain, didn't mean they didn't know what happened in the battle thus far.
You're arguing that the corpse aren't even alive and that they can't feel pain, so why would you bring a scan up that supports Ma's claim?
corpse also can't use their brain or mind, unless someone is using it for them
Uh ya?
It's a corpse remember?
You stated that they can't feel pain remember?
No, those are the remaining chakra of the jinchuuiriki (just like minato towards naruto) they are allowed to partake in the subconscious of the bijuu for a brief moment.
Kurama said bijuus conscious and not the jinchuuriki
manga>>>your worthless thoughts
Edo tensei i just posted proved you wrong once again because when they fough kcm naruto and bee, not one of them uttered a word.
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Deidara can do the same thing with C3, it's not impressive at all.
Orochimaru can take down a small country, even Obito controlled a perfect jinchuuriki and controlled a whole mist village while destroying konaha with two kages at the same time.
Pain using the huge st put him at risk, which wasted him three paths just to get his chakra back.
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Or your grammar was off, especially when you've been misinterpreting every scan shown so far...
I wouldn't be surprised
Aaannnnddd that is where you are wrong, which leads you back to what Shikamru's dad stated or implied.
Hence why I posted the scan of kakashi taking out two of Danzou's anbu with one glare:
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He's also a novice compared to itachi
Good lord, the manga disagrees with the manga?
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Don't even start because that is completely wrong, I already beat that thread of how inzanami works.
Before you even joined:
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Inzanami was already prepared form here
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A you use the body sensation, then A' is when you replicate the same body sensation using your ocular powers (which you mistaken for him using).
That was all inzanami, even itachi said it was from the beginning:
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The user goes blind after the justu is finished
At bolded I will regard that as a speculation...
Jiraiya never stated that he will teach nagato genjustu, so no proof or scans to back up your assumption.
Here is another proof:
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Nagato by no means shown any resistance to genjustu or knew how
Madara said that Sasuke had straight commas(itachi's eyes), which allows you to read your opponents movements even if they're in sagemode.
Kabuto stated that he can use his sharingan to read minds, that is pure manga evidence.
Just because you disagree, doesn't mean your say worth anything.
Again, Manga>>>>>>>>>>you
where does it say that?
You didn't provide any databook...
So biting your lips mean you can break out of a genjsutu counter? :|
Didn't even say ocular genjustu, which is the worst part for you.
Because what is bitting the lips going to do for pain?
They can't feel pain according to you
Read the databook
If naruto failed, what makes you think Orochimaru would succeed?
You don't know what he was going to do, it was a paralyzing genjustu just like he did to naruto.
His own dimension
Because his other techniques were countered, as
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Except taijustu frog katas, try again
:vincent::vincent::vincent:
Exactly where was this stated?
Full of assumptions again, I already beat you...
No proper scan no nothing to back up these false abilities you claim.
All of this can be countered with my previous posts in this thread. So yeah, I'm not going to bother anymore. I can only repeat my stance and have my argument be misinterpreted and/or ignored (by only one person, it appears) so many times. Clearly if I continue with this it will just devolve into more repetition and/or more off-topic tangents. So I'll simply agree to disagree.
-Proof that Itachi can take control of Pain's summonings? Pain is evidently controlling them with Rinnegan seen as they have the Rinnegan eyes. There is no way in hell Itachi can spam Amaterasu enough times to destroy every single summoning. He'd be dead from no chakra.
-I agree with your point on Chibaku tensei except that he won't be able to Totsuka slash the core because there will be thick layers of rock covering the core. Magatamas are enough though imo.
-You make the Tsukuyomi 1 shots due to shared vision argument but there's an issue: Jiraiya explains in early shippuden how genjutsu works. It's the opponent's chakra (Itachi) entering the victim (pain body) which disrupts the chakra flow and screwing with the 5 senses. How is Itachi's chakra going to reach Nagato? The 6 pains seems to share hearing yet when 3 were caught, the other 3 were unphased by the genjutsu.
-Itachi is going to make one of the dead bodies give away Nagato's location? They're dead bodies for a reason, Nagato controls them like puppets. That's like Itachi using genjutsu on Kankuro's puppets.
-Jiraiya is a novice in genjutsu yes, but there's a slight issue. He didn't cast the genjutsu, Ma and Pa did. It was also stated by Shikamaru in part 1 that sound based genjutsu is the most lethal, when warning Temari about Tayuyua's flute.
-A bunch of crow clone spam isn't going to help Itachi all too much. Nagato positions his 6 paths to cover as many blind spots as possible. Susano'o and Amaterasu are his only hopes of taking down the paths, but as mentioned earlier Preta and Deva have speed feats over Susano'o, and Preta/Deva can repel/absorb amaterasu.
- I'm pretty sure a Susano'o is going to be able to cut through rock to get to the core of the Chibaku Tensei, or at most have to slice through it.
- Obito, Madara, and even SASUKE WITH 3T was able to take control of summonings with ease. These people aren't anywhere near his mastery in terms of genjutsu. If Sasuke can do it without MS and weak genjutsu control, (Danzo even stated comparing their genjutsu is like comparing the sky to the earth) so can Itachi.
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Look closely at Manda's eyes.
- The Paths share vision only.
- Nagato cannot and will not send his body far away from the Paths. If he did, he'd lose control of them and they would be rendered useless. In which case Itachi just sends hordes of crow bunshins to find out where he's located. In the midst of them is the crow with Shisui's eye which can see through objects and see Nagato. He can then proceed to have the clone cast his KA on Nagato directly and end the fight from the start. Even if Konan manages to start to kill some of them, Itachi could have his KA casted on her instead and have her kill Nagato because he's a threat to the Leaf.
- Crow clones are going to be extremely useful. They aren't there just to find Nagato but to also inform Itachi about where and how the Paths are going to position themselves. Not to mention Itachi's precognition and senses with the Sharingan. He'll be able to respond fluidly and almost easily. Itachi was able to stalemate with KM Naruto and Bee as they teamed him in Taijutsu, and KM Naruto > Sage Naruto by far in Taijutsu, and SM Naruto > all Paths in Taijutsu.
- As for the genjutsu? Don't underestimate Itachi. The one and only person said to rival Itachi's genjutsu prowess was Shisui Uchiha, nobody else. If all their eyes are connected and Itachi casts a genjutsu on one, it can affect all. You're right though, you need to also disrupt their chakra network by using Genjutsu. But this could be the exception. Anything one path/the main path sees, the rest see as well. If one is experiencing Tsukuyomi, the others will see what that path is seeing as well. The problem is, Itachi and Shisui have shown long distance Genjutsu attacks that work quite well and can cast it on multiple people simultaneously. He has enough skill to cast genjutsu on every single one of them. Itachi doesn't need to just use Tsukuyomi as his main Genjutsu. We've yet to see him use his full arsenal in battle, for he has yet to truly try. He doesn't need to use Tsukuyomi to render them debilitated. And if he does want to use Tsukuyomi, he can use it twice casted upon Preta Path and Naraka Path, the two most useful of the Paths. While they're in Genjutsu, he can just pierce them with the Totsuka. Without them, the rest of the Paths, including Tendo, have NO chance of beating Itachi. If Tendo tries to stop it by pushing him away, he just slices them in half. If he tries to stop him by pulling him/his Susano'o or his sword away towards him, Itachi slices him in half too.
-Btw, once he finds Nagato's location, which he will, he could just cast Tsukuyomi on him and, taking into account his terrible physical condition, it'll most likely end up killing him. If he doesn't use Tsukuyomi again because he's too sick to, there's always KA to make Nagato his personal biitch. And if the bunshins don't find his location because they're stopped by Konan, the information on the crone's surroundings will still be transferred back to Itachi, and he'll close in on his location from there. After all, his reasoning was Kage level at age seven. I'm sure he'll figure it out.His Sharingan simply checks for chakra networks and once he finds it it's over.
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He used over triple this much Amaterasu in the rest of the battle against Sasuke while he wasn't even trying. Not to mention he implanted Amaterasu in Sasuke in the end, used Susano'o, and LET Sasuke break out of his Tsukuyomi. What would happen if he tried?
All of this can be countered with my previous posts in this thread. So yeah, I'm not going to bother anymore. I can only repeat my stance and have my argument be misinterpreted and/or ignored (by only one person, it appears) so many times. Clearly if I continue with this it will just devolve into more repetition and/or more off-topic tangents. So I'll simply agree to disagree.
Itachi rapes. Chibaku tensei gets melted with amaterasu, shinra gets burned by amaterasu(as it can burn anything), king of hell gets burned by amaterasu, gedo gets burned by amaterasu, susano'O punches and destroys pain, tsukuyomi rapes pain. Normal genjutsu rapes pain. He is the best genjutsu user.
Itachi rapes. Chibaku tensei gets melted with amaterasu, shinra gets burned by amaterasu(as it can burn anything), king of hell gets burned by amaterasu, gedo gets burned by amaterasu, susano'O punches and destroys pain, tsukuyomi rapes pain. Normal genjutsu rapes pain. He is the best genjutsu user.
No, itachi alone wasnt enough to destroy chibaku tensei, he needed kcm Naruto and KB best ninjutsu and yasaka magatama to stop ct from edo nagato. Itachi alone wont stop pains CT
Jiraiya is stronger than Itachi and Kisame combined, according to Itachi himself. Jiraiya himself got child-abused by Pain with lowest of difficulty. So this means Pain shits on Itachi with very low difficulty. As a matter of fact, Deva Pain or Animal Pain individually stomp on Itachi.
