A question of CLAN dilution

[Reviewing Logic]

I wouldn't worry about any of it. OP characters are boring and too much of genetic abilities takes away from their achievements. Let them evolve and have their own stories. Mary Sue and Gary Stu aren't interesting.

Well that is true but their new opponents are Mary Sue/ Gary Stu the clan... FROM SPACE

So if I allow Naruto to be technically a full on Uzumaki by stating that the standard trait of an Uzumaki is their life force

and also state that there are limits to that life force like a baby not being able to fully house all of Kuruma so you had to split the chakra into two and later give the full chakra to Naruto later on

bar the plot facts of having Minato die for story plot and having Naruto almost die for again story plot to meet Hagoromo and also have Obito inject other tailed beast chakra in Naruto

then the overall total would be 1 vs 3


then if Sarada has a fire affinity it would be 0 vs 3 (and maybe her eyes being some plot thing for the future)

one can also speculate that she is the only child we saw that has a parent that had MS and so we wouldn't know the result that would have to a child

then let us toss in another mixed Kid, Chou Chou and her expansion jutsu and we got 0 vs 4

 

[salamander uchiha]

Chakra chains are a hide jutsu not clan ability. Kushina also had yin affinity and not yang hinting at it being a yin thing. This also confirms strong life force isn't connected to yang energy.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Chakra chains are a hide jutsu not clan ability. Kushina also had yin affinity and not yang hinting at it being a yin thing. This also confirms strong life force isn't connected to yang energy.

so Chakra chains are a rarity like Susanoo

within the clan of course since the only other user with it is Karin

 

[salamander uchiha]

Nagato was another half Uzumaki. His father's hair was black in the anime. Seemed strong enough. :|

Nagato was weak as a boy. His strength was dependant on him gaining rinnegan and probably increasing hus chakra capacity via preta path. Also it's never been stated all uzumaki have red hair ir that is the case then Nagato's mother had dominant genes.

 

[salamander uchiha]

so Chakra chains are a rarity like Susanoo

within the clan of course since the only other user with it is Karin

Nah susanoo is dependant on attaining kekkei genkai. Chakra chains are just a secret jutsu which is likely yin related since both users have yin affinity. But kushina doesn't have yang eliminating it from being a yang related technique.
In other words there's potential for Sakura and Hinata to learn it because both have a yin affinity.
Ps it's an A rank jutsu and kekkei genkai don't have ranks

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Nah susanoo is dependant on attaining kekkei genkai. Chakra chains are just a secret jutsu which is likely yin related since both users have yin affinity. But kushina doesn't have yang eliminating it from being a yang related technique.
In other words there's potential for Sakura and Hinata to learn it because both have a yin affinity.
Ps it's an A rank jutsu kekkei genkai don't have ranks

nah I don't think anyone that isn't an Uzumaki can manifest it

Karin did it subconsciously

 

[Avani]

Well that is true but their new opponents are Mary Sue/ Gary Stu the clan... FROM SPACE

So if I allow Naruto to be technically a full on Uzumaki by stating that the standard trait of an Uzumaki is their life force

and also state that there are limits to that life force like a baby not being able to fully house all of Kuruma so you had to split the chakra into two and later give the full chakra to Naruto later on

bar the plot facts of having Minato die for story plot and having Naruto almost die for again story plot to meet Hagoromo and also have Obito inject other tailed beast chakra in Naruto

then the overall total would be 1 vs 3


then if Sarada has a fire affinity it would be 0 vs 3 (and maybe her eyes being some plot thing for the future)

one can also speculate that she is the only child we saw that has a parent that had MS and so we wouldn't know the result that would have to a child

then let us toss in another mixed Kid, Chou Chou and her expansion jutsu and we got 0 vs 4

Still there are enough previous instances to demonstrate that being related with a clan on one side only doesn't stop a person from achieving the properties of it.

+ Jiraiya, Kakashi, Sakura, Kabuto, Orochimaru, Minato etc didn't have any special ability by birth. But they were able to augment their skills in several other ways. Now that there are even cheat gadgets to use skills in other ways, the writer should be able to pull it off without playing too much on blood line.

So it's just versus arguments that people worry about. ;p

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Still there is enough previous instances to demonstrate that being related with a clan on one side only doesn't stop a person from achieving the properties of it.

+ Jiraiya, Kakashi, Sakura, Kabuto, Orochimaru, Minato etc didn't have any special ability by birth. But they were able to augment their skills in several other ways. Now that there are even cheat gadgets to use skills in other ways, the writer should be able to pull it off without playing too much on blood line.

So it's just versus arguments that people worry about. ;p

this is NarutoBase after all

 

[salamander uchiha]

nah I don't think anyone that isn't an Uzumaki can manifest it

Karin did it subconsciously

Not a condition for it its like saying a non Nara can't use shadow jutsu they're hide clan jutsu. If you learn how you can.

Also in karins case it's likely her mother trained her on how to use the jutsu so she was able to manifest it in her time of need. Also kushina would've learnt it since ahead had already learnt fuinn jutsu and taught minato. It's likely Nagato could've learnt them had his mother known them and taught him.

If a jutsu is only specific to a group of people it's a bloodline limit and called a kekkei genkai but Adamantine chains don't fall into that department. All hidden jutsu that clans use fall into the department of skills that can be learnt by outsiders and so are hidden.

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Nara clan jutsu note in its description it's listed as hidden ninjutsu and yin natured.

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Note hidden, barrier,fuinn jutsu.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Not a condition for it its like saying a non Nara can't use shadow jutsu they're hide clan jutsu. If you learn how you can.

Also in karins case it's likely her mother trained her on how to use the jutsu so she was able to manifest it in her time of need. Also kushina would've learnt it since ahead had already learnt fuinn jutsu and taught minato. It's likely Nagato could've learnt them had his mother known them and taught him.

If a jutsu is only specific to a group of people it's a bloodline limit and called a kekkei genkai but Adamantine chains don't fall into that department. All hidden jutsu that clans use fall into the department of skills that can be learnt by outsiders and so are hidden.

maybe they just didn't state it as a blood line limit

and I doubt Karin was taught it

this is the scene

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Orochimaru stated "The same power as Uzumaki Kushina" "It finally came out"

feels more like she did it by instincts and genes then actual training and using

she could've used it before in the manga

 

[salamander uchiha]

maybe they just didn't state it as a blood line limit

and I doubt Karin was taught it

this is the scene



Orochimaru stated "The same power as Uzumaki Kushina" "It finally came out"

feels more like she did it by instincts and genes then actual training and using

she could've used it before in the manga

You miss what I'm saying Orochimaru was waiting for her to do it. If a technique is a genetic quality it's listed as a kekkei genkai. Like I said its likely karin's mother taught her the mechanics for it.

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Look at the description in the top for the jutsu it's clearly not a kekkei genkai. Like Nara clans shadow bind. Feelings don't over ride facts.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

You miss what I'm saying Orochimaru was waiting for her to do it. If a technique is a genetic quality it's listed as a kekkei genkai. Like I said its likely karin's mother taught her the mechanics for it.

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Look at the description in the top for the jutsu it's clearly not a kekkei genkai. Like Nara clans shadow bind. Feelings don't over ride facts.

I know that but GF (the chakra emitting) isn't stated as a KKG or other moves too

likely the databook is unreliable like the current one stating Naruto's intelligence is 90 or Sasuke's chakra is low



I mean the only way to have it not being genetic is it being stated that way or us seeing Karin learn it from her Mother

but Karin likely barely knew her mother due to bring orphaned at a young age

 

[salamander uchiha]

I know that but GF (the chakra emitting) isn't stated as a KKG or other moves too

likely the databook is unreliable like the current one stating Naruto's intelligence is 90 or Sasuke's chakra is low



I mean the only way to have it not being genetic is it being stated that way or us seeing Karin learn it from her Mother

but Karin likely barely knew her mother due to bring orphaned at a young age

The databook is reliable and used to explain techniqueshow kishi sees them and add detail to them. Iq, chakra etc are a different topic and since details aren't given on them we can't really know about them.

Gentle fist itself isn't a kekkei genkai it's a fighting style based around emitting chakra.
The justu are listed as kekkei genkai since they're dependant on the kekkei genkai itself.

So on those grounds it's legit short of kishi coming out and dismissing them they're the same as manga facts.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

The databook is reliable and used to explain techniqueshow kishi sees them and add detail to them. Iq, chakra etc are a different topic and since details aren't given on them we can't really know about them.

Gentle fist itself isn't a kekkei genkai it's a fighting style based around emitting chakra.
The justu are listed as kekkei genkai since they're dependant on the kekkei genkai itself.

So on those grounds it's legit short of kishi coming out and dismissing them they're the same as manga facts.

but both the Uzumaki chains and the GF taijutsu style are dependent on genetic based bodies

the Uzumaki strong life force and the Hyuga ability to emit chakra from any tenketsu point

 

[salamander uchiha]

but both the Uzumaki chains and the GF taijutsu style are dependent on genetic based bodies

the Uzumaki strong life force and the Hyuga ability to emit chakra from any tenketsu point

No gentle fist in general isn't dependant on kekkei genkai since jonin level ninja can also learn to emit chakra from their hands and feet etc(for reference when neji firt uses rotation) and can target internal organs and move like hyuga.
When it comes to using specific jutsu targeting tenketsu points that itself is where the kekkei genkai comes into play. That's why those jutsu are listed as KKG. Thw Hyuga however can learn them easier because of Byakugan. And if we are to go by Boruto, he can use GF to a degree without Byakugan.

Strong lifeforce isn't the reason for chakra chains. Chains bind and are a fuinn barrier jutsu hybrid. So they're not kekkei genkai. Now this is my theory that they're yin related since form to chakra etc. Both karin and Kushina give form to chakra. In kushina case she uses a barriver jutsu with them and in karins case to attack no barrier jutsu. There's a variance in their use of it. Kushina doesn't have yang release so we also know strong lifeforce isn't connected to yang nature(an off topic point) and neither are chakra chains.

Chakra chains have never been stated to be dependent on or associated with strong life force, or a bodily ability if that was the case they would definitely be listed as a kekkei genkai.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

No gentle fist in general isn't dependant on kekkei genkai since jonin level ninja can also learn to emit chakra from their hands and feet etc(for reference when neji firt uses rotation) and can target internal organs and move like hyuga.
When it comes to using specific jutsu targeting tenketsu points that itself is where the kekkei genkai comes into play. That's why those jutsu are listed as KKG. Thw Hyuga however can learn them easier because of Byakugan. And if we are to go by Boruto, he can use GF to a degree without Byakugan.

but to release chakra from any point in the body is a genetical ability

besides hands and feet and also wrapping your external body with chakra no other ninja could eject chakra from another chakra point

unless they use a KKG based special move that proves else

Boruto likely only knows the GF taijutsu and not the chakra release

we usually see the difference between this

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Strong lifeforce isn't the reason for chakra chains. Chains bind and are a fuinn barrier jutsu hybrid. So they're not kekkei genkai. Now this is my theory that they're yin related since form to chakra etc. Both karin and Kushina give form to chakra. In kushina case she uses a barriver jutsu with them and in karins case to attack no barrier jutsu. There's a variance in their use of it. Kushina doesn't have yang release so we also know strong lifeforce isn't connected to yang nature(an off topic point) and neither are chakra chains.

Chakra chains have never been stated to be dependent on or associated with strong life force, or a bodily ability if that was the case they would definitely be listed as a kekkei genkai.

my life force statemtn is just speculation like your yin statement

again both of us are going on a limb by stating Karin learnt it and Karin never did it before until that scene

so far no other individual used it besides Uzumaki's

it could be related to their genes or again it could be a hidden move taught but if it was taught then Karin could've used it before against other opponents but didn't


instead due to fear of Sasuke dying he awakened it (is my thought)

 

[salamander uchiha]

but to release chakra from any point in the body is a genetical ability

besides hands and feet and also wrapping your external body with chakra no other ninja could eject chakra from another chakra point

unless they use a KKG based special move that proves else

Boruto likely only knows the GF taijutsu and not the chakra release

we usually see the difference between this

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my life force statemtn is just speculation like your yin statement

again both of us are going on a limb by stating Karin learnt it and Karin never did it before until that scene

so far no other individual used it besides Uzumaki's

it could be related to their genes or again it could be a hidden move taught but if it was taught then Karin could've used it before against other opponents but didn't


instead due to fear of Sasuke dying he awakened it (is my thought)

It's a hidden move which is taught that is definite and not a kekkei Genkai because it's not listed as such in the databook.

You see learning the mechanics of a jutsu and being able to use it are different. Karin used it because of her want to get to Sasuke she could've practised it bit never really got it. Her want for Sasuke drove her. Same as Naruto he tried to use rassngan and couldn't use it when the need came he was able too. Or when he tried summoning he did try for it but couldn't when the need came for it he used it. The point is the need brought the jutsu to fruition.

Releasing chakra from a point isn't a genetic ability he used a fodder version of palm bottom in the Boruto movie. It made the other ninjas face vibrate with chakra. It's just easier to release from the hands and feet but targeting another's chakra points is genetic ability. However releasing from a specific point is easier and definite coupling kekkei Genkai with GF.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

It's a hidden move which is taught that is definite and not a kekkei Genkai because it's not listed as such in the databook.

You see learning the mechanics of a jutsu and being able to use it are different. Karin used it because of her want to get to Sasuke she could've practised it bit never really got it. Her want for Sasuke drove her. Same as Naruto he tried to use rassngan and couldn't use it when the need came he was able too. Or when he tried summoning he did try for it but couldn't when the need came for it he used it. The point is the need brought the jutsu to fruition.

Releasing chakra from a point isn't a genetic ability he used a fodder version of palm bottom in the Boruto movie. It made the other ninjas face vibrate with chakra. It's just easier to release from the hands and feet but targeting another's chakra points is genetic ability. However releasing from a specific point is easier and definite coupling kekkei Genkai with GF.

you could be right about the chains

the Hyuga bit though


Boruto being able to do it or not is not the question since he is more Hyuga then anything I mean the release of chakra from any point in the body not just the hands and feet

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also putting that chakra into one's body (not some external damage like CES) is another specilaization

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[salamander uchiha]

you could be right about the chains

the Hyuga bit though


Boruto being able to do it or not is not the question since he is more Hyuga then anything I mean the release of chakra from any point in the body not just the hands and feet

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also putting that chakra into one's body (not some external damage like CES) is another specilaization

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I think you misunderstood what I said releasing chakra from points in the hands and feet can be learnt but elite jonin can learn it. A Hyuga with Byakugan can learn it even as a genin and from all over whoch is kekkei genkai related. The second eay to learn it at a vasic level easier if your a kid is if you have a Hyuga(Hinata but likely Hanabi) instructing you by showing you and telling you where the points are the rest is down to practise.

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Note the picture you can see chakra points when tenten shows jonin skill level. So a jonin can learn to release it.

Now chakra points on individuals apart from end point (ie finger ttips etc) would be different and targeting them impossible without the Byakugan coupled with the gentlefist.

I've never denied that the Hyuga can do this and are the only ones to have this capacity at its peak level.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

I think you misunderstood what I said releasing chakra from points in the hands and feet can be learnt but elite jonin can learn it. A Hyuga with Byakugan can learn it even as a genin and from all over whoch is kekkei genkai related. The second eay to learn it at a vasic level easier if your a kid is if you have a Hyuga(Hinata but likely Hanabi) instructing you by showing you and telling you where the points are the rest is down to practise.

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Note the picture you can see chakra points when tenten shows jonin skill level. So a jonin can learn to release it.

Now chakra points on individuals apart from end point (ie finger ttips etc) would be different and targeting them impossible without the Byakugan coupled with the gentlefist.

I've never denied that the Hyuga can do this and are the only ones to have this capacity at its peak level.

I get what you mean

but even releasing from the hand and feat putting it into a person's system (like you stated) is a Hyuga feat

by not doing so then you just have CES like Tsunade