A question of CLAN dilution

[Reviewing Logic]

So there are some people who believe a clan member and their genes can't be diluted if the mingle with someone outside their respected clan

Dominate genes do apply in real life but does it apply in Naruto?


Case #1
Naruto Uzumaki

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His Mother had high class Uzumaki genes and chakra

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Besides the fact that he doesn't have red hair like his mother this individual also had a weaker chakra immunity and lack of other Uzumaki things like Chakra chains (were his mother did indeed have).

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Case #2

Mukai Kohinata

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An individual that came from a family that was distantly related to the Hyūga clan. Only could Awaken the byakugan for his left eye compared to both, as well as only capable of doing a halved version of the Eight Trigrams Thirty-Two Palms (an already halved version of the sixty four) — the Eight Trigrams Sixteen Palms.


Case #3

Sarada Uchiha

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Sasuke Uchiha being the Father and having dominant genes like her physical appearance. As stated by Naruto particularly the eyes.

Even so she wears glasses and has vision problems. Needs to continue to wear glasses when using the Sharingan.

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Granted this doesn't mean that each of those members would be barred from becoming powerful because of such dilutions (as seen with the anbu guy). It also doesn't mean other power factors could fill the void, like Naruto being an Ashura incarnate. Rather it seems the dilution is there at least in the series, hence why clan's usually keep it in the clan.

 

[Avani]

Nagato was another half Uzumaki. His father's hair was black in the anime. Seemed strong enough. :|

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Nagato was another half Uzumaki. His father's hair was black in the anime. Seemed strong enough. :|

yeah that is what is weird

Kishi isn't consistent with these things

Naruto could've tanked that extraction like his Mom but he didn't so Nagato is an oddity/outlier compared to the norm

3 against 1

 

[Avani]

yeah that is what is weird

Kishi isn't consistent with these things

Naruto could've tanked that extraction like his Mom but he didn't so Nagato is an oddity/outlier compared to the norm

3 against 1

Haku's father was a normal guy ( no clan at all) too. :|

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Haku's father was a normal guy ( no clan at all) too. :|

but I wouldn't know what a full blood of Haku's clan is capable of?

plus for those type of KKG like Chouji's clan, physical abilities etc... might be easier to pass without difficulties, especially if they are just the first in a chain of mixed genes.

also Nagato can't do chakra chains :flakez:

 

[Avani]

+ your third example Mukai Kohinata was written by Takashi Yano ( novel writer) not Kishimoto so consistency part is not much relevant.

 

[Dissonant Values]

yeah that is what is weird

Kishi isn't consistent with these things

Naruto could've tanked that extraction like his Mom but he didn't so Nagato is an oddity/outlier compared to the norm

3 against 1

Naruto had also been fighting in combat and had distributed his chakra to every shinobi in the alliance at the time of extraction.

So the question is, which left a person weaker? Childbirth or All out War?

 

[Avani]

but I wouldn't know what a full blood of Haku's clan is capable of?

Can you for anyone? It's a fictional verse based on pseudo science.

plus for those type of KKG like Chouji's clan, physical abilities etc... might be easier to pass without difficulties, especially if they are just the first in a chain of mixed genes.

also Nagato can't do chakra chains :flakez:

Did Nagato need to?

 

[Reviewing Logic]

I mean the whole thing is inconsistent

I would've loved it if the Uzumaki all shared traits or if the genes would've been passed down more correctly

now it is

2 vs 2 (took out the novel)

Naruto had also been fighting in combat and had distributed his chakra to every shinobi in the alliance at the time of extraction.

So the question is, which left a person weaker? Childbirth or All out War?

us men don't know the struggles of childbirth :stfu:

 

[Avani]

I mean the whole thing is inconsistent

With what?

I would've loved it if the Uzumaki all shared traits or if the genes would've been passed down more correctly

So that you can make 100+ thread about them all being copy of each other and boring? I thought you had enough of Sakura being a copy of Tusnade. But nope, you want all Uzumakies to have all the same traits and skills and style of fighting as well...

now it is

2 vs 2 (took out the novel)

Meaning it may work either way.

us men don't know the struggles of childbirth :stfu:

I can agree on that.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

With what?



So that you can make 100+ thread about them all being copy of each other and boring? I thought you had enough of Sakura being a copy of Tusnade. But nope you want all Uzumakies to have all the same traits and skills and style of fighting...


now it is

2 vs 2 (took out the novel)


us men don't know the struggles of childbirth :stfu:

KKG abilities you can do more then just that


Nagato had Rinnegan

Naruto has Bijuu mode, rasengan and sage mode

I don't mean just having those abiltities alone

you can branch off

I mean actually having a genetic tree that one can easily calculate without inconsistenacy

it would help out versus matches and prediction threads

so no it isn't like Sakura :elmo:



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what qualifies as an Uzumaki

what doesn't :wut:

Is one more Uzumaki then the other

 

[Avani]

KKG abilities you can do more then just that


Nagato had Rinnegan

Naruto has Bijuu mode, rasengan and sage mode

I don't mean just having those abiltities alone

you can branch off

I mean actually having a genetic tree that one can easily calculate without inconsistenacy

it would help out versus matches and prediction threads

so no it isn't like Sakura :elmo:



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what qualifies as an Uzumaki

what doesn't :wut:

Is one more Uzumaki then the other

Was Itachi more Uchiha than rest of them? Obito? Sasuke?

It's not real world. You expect more from Kishi who is mainly just an artist than from

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[Reviewing Logic]

Was Itachi more Uchiha than rest of them? Obito? Sasuke?

It's not real world. You expect more from Kishi who is mainly just an artist than from

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idk the question leads to plotholes or even more questions

I mean in Toriko is follows something more linear

I agree that Kishi is just a manga artist and he was doing a weekly series that was forever changing but maybe datebooks could've solved this (if they weren't a statistical mess)

 

[Avani]

idk the question leads to plotholes or even more questions

I mean in Toriko is follows something more linear

I agree that Kishi is just a manga artist and he was doing a weekly series that was forever changing but maybe datebooks could've solved this (if they weren't a statistical mess)

As I said :

It's not real world. You expect more from Kishi who is mainly just an artist than from

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Frankly for the number of chapters, it's density of content and consistent weekly publication for 15 years, plot holes aren't that many.

Toriko? Great if you like a cooking manga.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

As I said :

It's not real world. You expect more from Kishi who is mainly just an artist than from

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Frankly for the number of chapters, it's density of content and consistent weekly publication for 15 years, plot holes aren't that many.

I guess :NO:

on the Itachi and Obito thing... besides plot one can say that each Uchiha has the potential to unlock sharingan and also do fire jutsus


rather for some clans we don't have a standard to go by... like what makes an Uzumaki?

the clan head didn't even have red hair

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[Avani]

I guess :NO:

on the Itachi and Obito thing... besides plot one can say that each Uchiha has the potential to unlock sharingan and also do fire jutsus


rather for some clans we don't have a standard to go by... like what makes an Uzumaki?

the clan head didn't even have red hair

He was old and maybe colour faded... or he married an Uzumaki lady. Ouch! Diluted at source.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

He was old. His hair could have been any colour when he was younger...

not sure if this was a miss colouring but the people in the back also didn't have red hair

then that would mean that maybe what makes an Uzumaki is their life force in which case did Naruto not have it?

was he just overly exhausted due to the war and his feats?

did being an Ashura incarnate have some reason for it?



Karin allowed Tsunade to suck a ton of her chakra and she was still able to run around freely so she had a good life force, Nagato could handle two Rinnegans

Kushina and Mito Kuruma...

which gets to the point of Naruto


was handling Kuruma due to his life force... Minato took half of the burden though but current Naruto has the full 100%

 

[123fire]

wow a mod discussing with us? cool beans

 

[Reviewing Logic]

quite frankly the 2 vs 2 is somewhat unstable since Naruto could indeed have a strong life force like his mom via Uzumaki genes and not just because he is an Ashura incarnate

and Sarada's eye condition could be something else entirely that gets resolved later in the series

if that is the case and Uzumaki/clan genes stay prominent forever (toss aside the Anbu novel guy) then that would mean Boruto and Himawari also have 100% Uzumaki life force potential

which would be awesome to say the least

 

[Avani]

not sure if this was a miss colouring but the people in the back also didn't have red hair

then that would mean that maybe what makes an Uzumaki is their life force in which case did Naruto not have it?

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Gara had died instantly when bijju was removed. Naruto had been fighting all over the locations using shadow clones for far too long, sharing chakra, had fought Nagato before reaching the location, illuminating the way at dark... Gara instantly pointed out that Naruto was using too much of itand was risking himself already when he went to help him though Naruto downplayed it.

And then he had bijju taken out. Still survived long enough for Gara to find Sakura. Not sure how many jinchuriki would survive all that. Kushina was dying and said she would die even if she sealed it back. She was only hoping to delay it's manifestation when dying with a sealed Kyuubi. Minato probably was a self made person without a " clan".

So how do you compare? With whom?

was he just overly exhausted due to the war and his feats?

You think he should still have more chakra? Moreover can Madara not draw his chakra along with Kyuubi? Their chakra isn't completely separately stored at that point but constantly mingling.

It's all just conjecture and several of the possibilities. Why complicate a work of fiction; made for teens at that.

did being an Ashura incarnate have some reason for it?

Transmigration is not incarnation...they are different concepts..

Karin allowed Tsunade to suck a ton of her chakra and she was still able to run around freely so she had a good life force, Nagato could handle two Rinnegans

Yea. Nauto killed Nagato with a book- so much for handling two rinnegans. Karin was not as busy as Naruto.

Kushina and Mito Kuruma...

which gets to the point of Naruto


was handling Kuruma due to his life force... Minato took half of the burden though but current Naruto has the full 100%

What are you even trying to say? Minato took half because Naruto was a newborn infant. Naruto is the first jinchuriki since Sot6P created it to have full control over it. It was ready to kill Kushina and she didn't hope to survive even if she sealed it back because she was too weak to control it.

They are different. Giving Naruto everything other Uzumaki have is boring and a Gary Stu in making.

quite frankly the 2 vs 2 is somewhat unstable since Naruto could indeed have a strong life force like his mom via Uzumaki genes and not just because he is an Ashura incarnate

and Sarada's eye condition could be something else entirely that gets resolved later in the series

if that is the case and Uzumaki/clan genes stay prominent forever (toss aside the Anbu novel guy) then that would mean Boruto and Himawari also have 100% Uzumaki life force potential

which would be awesome to say the least

I wouldn't worry about any of it. OP characters are boring and too much of genetic abilities takes away from their achievements. Let them evolve and have their own stories. Mary Sue and Gary Stu aren't interesting.