Uchiha Clan vs Otsutsuki Clan

[salamander uchiha]

Or Shisui could just turn her against the Otsutsuki.

True theirs no counter to Shisui''s eye.

 

[whiteboy2345]

You have no idea how focking hard I laughed at this. XDXDXD

So you're saying that Kaguya can counter Kotomatsukami, the one genjutsu that cannot be countered?

 

[Made in Heaven]

So you're saying that Kaguya can counter Kotomatsukami, the one genjutsu that cannot be countered?

Considering we've never seen Koto even work on a 3T user, much less a RenniSharingan user, yeah.
Considering IT activates faster than KA, yeah.
Considering Koto simply gives a command like "protect konoha" or "make me the alliance commander" and doesn't do complete mind control, yeah.
Considering sensors can pick up on that and inform the person being controlled, yeah.
Considering if the person themselves is a sensor, they can pick it up themselves, yeah.
Considering Kaguya would be too powerful for Shisui to control, yeah.

 

[darthvader5666]

Going with the Ootsutsuki on this one. Every Uchiha other than Rinnegan Sasuke and after, Juubi/Shinju Madara, and Juubito are non-factors. Too many Ootsutsukis for them to deal with. Also, they can't deal with Kaguya because they don't have the Yang Seal. Only way they have a chance is if soul rip works on Kaguya.

 

[whiteboy2345]

Considering we've never seen Koto even work on a 3T user, much less a RenniSharingan user, yeah.
Considering IT activates faster than KA, yeah.
Considering Koto simply gives a command like "protect konoha" or "make me the alliance commander" and doesn't do complete mind control, yeah.
Considering sensors can pick up on that and inform the person being controlled, yeah.
Considering if the person themselves is a sensor, they can pick it up themselves, yeah.
Considering Kaguya would be too powerful for Shisui to control, yeah.

So you literally have no manga evidence that can point to Shisui not being able to control Kaguya.

Shisui planned on using KA on the Uchiha, the manga never states he couldn't meaning it would work.
Shisui could be protected by Sasuke's Susano'o, negating IT.
KA creates a false reality within your own mind, rewriting memories and experiences to make your entire beliefs and personality change, it's not as simple as you made it.
Informing the person that they're being controlled has no guarantee of working, like I said it's a rewriting of experiences. She'll believe things that never happened, but she'll perceive them as a life experience.
If being a sensor negated KA, Itachi wouldn't have tried it on Sasuke, the Sharingan picks up on chakra making Uchiha's sensory types.
Power was never stated as a means by which one can resist KA, not manga factual at all.

 

[Devauzamaki]

So you literally have no manga evidence that can point to Shisui not being able to control Kaguya.

Shisui planned on using KA on the Uchiha, the manga never states he couldn't meaning it would work.
Shisui could be protected by Sasuke's Susano'o, negating IT.
KA creates a false reality within your own mind, rewriting memories and experiences to make your entire beliefs and personality change, it's not as simple as you made it.
Informing the person that they're being controlled has no guarantee of working, like I said it's a rewriting of experiences. She'll believe things that never happened, but she'll perceive them as a life experience.
If being a sensor negated KA, Itachi wouldn't have tried it on Sasuke, the Sharingan picks up on chakra making Uchiha's sensory types.
Power was never stated as a means by which one can resist KA, not manga factual at all.

You're an idiot lol. His eyes would have no effect on Kaguya cuz of her 3rd eye.

 

[Made in Heaven]

So you literally have no manga evidence that can point to Shisui not being able to control Kaguya

If you want to be an idiot as usual and think that go right ahead.

Shisui planned on using KA on the Uchiha, the manga never states he couldn't meaning it would work.

Planning =/= Actually happening. RenniSharingan isn't affected by IT, and you want to claim Koto would even work :lol

Shisui could be protected by Sasuke's Susano'o, negating IT.

In which case he isn't casting Koto when he can't see Kaguya and she isn't in her field of view. Not to mention Kaguya could cast IT from miles upon miles away, rendering Koto meaningless.

KA creates a false reality within your own mind, rewriting memories and experiences to make your entire beliefs and personality change, it's not as simple as you made it.

Nice bullshitfic. Must be why it failed hard core against Mifune.

And where was any of the bold even said?

Informing the person that they're being controlled has no guarantee of working

Must be why it worked for Mifune.

If being a sensor negated KA, Itachi wouldn't have tried it on Sasuke, the Sharingan picks up on chakra making Uchiha's sensory types.

Uchihas aren't sensor types :lol

 

[Styles]

Considering we've never seen Koto even work on a 3T user, much less a RenniSharingan user, yeah.
Considering IT activates faster than KA, yeah.
Considering Koto simply gives a command like "protect konoha" or "make me the alliance commander" and doesn't do complete mind control, yeah.
Considering sensors can pick up on that and inform the person being controlled, yeah.
Considering if the person themselves is a sensor, they can pick it up themselves, yeah.
Considering Kaguya would be too powerful for Shisui to control, yeah.

We've actually have seen koto work on a 3 tomoe user......it worked on MS Itachi.
IT have a period before it can be casted which is the light from the technique. KA works faster as seen with Itachi on himself and Danzo and mifune.

 

[whiteboy2345]

You're an idiot lol. His eyes would have no effect on Kaguya cuz of her 3rd eye.

Pull up a manga scan saying her eye can resist KA.

 

[Made in Heaven]

We've actually have seen koto work on a 3 tomoe user......it worked on MS Itachi.
IT have a period before it can be casted which is the light from the technique. KA works faster as seen with Itachi on himself and Danzo and mifune.

Okay.

Light is the fastest thing in the universe. That's faster than Shisui inserting the Chakra into his opponent for the genjutsu garunteed.

 

[whiteboy2345]

Look, KA worked on Itachi.

We have no evidence that it can't work on Kaguya, and considering the Otsutsuki don't know what the **** KA is, they're ****ed.

 

[Styles]

Okay.

Light is the fastest thing in the universe. That's faster than Shisui inserting the Chakra into his opponent for the genjutsu garunteed.

Yes but it also took a while for that light to even shine. I'm not saying KA would work on kaguya but it is casted faster than IT by the manga.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Look, KA worked on Itachi.

We have no evidence that it can't work on Kaguya, and considering the Otsutsuki don't know what the **** KA is, they're ****ed.

KA worked on Itachi, so it will work on Kaguya.

We also have no evidence it can work on Kaguya. Stop using such dumbass logic. Their all Byakugan users, more or less, they will all be able to tell Kaguya is under a genjutsu, if it even works, and tell her of it.

Yes but it also took a while for that light to even shine. I'm not saying KA would work on kaguya but it is casted faster than IT by the manga.

That's because it needed to be shined on the moon for it to enevlop the world. Not the same case if we are talking about a group of 20 something people.

 

[whiteboy2345]

KA worked on Itachi, so it will work on Kaguya.

We also have no evidence it can work on Kaguya. Stop using such dumbass logic. Their all Byakugan users, more or less, they will all be able to tell Kaguya is under a genjutsu, if it even works, and tell her of it.

You have no evidence that Kaguya should by any means be immune to Kotoamatsukami. I'll wait for manga evidence.

 

[Made in Heaven]

You have no evidence that Kaguya should by any means be immune to Kotoamatsukami. I'll wait for manga evidence.

Rennigan block IT. RenniSharingan > Rennigan. IT > Koto. Koto isn't getting past RenniSharingan.

And the power of an individual does dictate whether they can be controlled. Obito could control Kurama with 3T, something no other Uchiha could do bar Madara, while Sasuke could control all the Bijuus at once with Rennigan. So yeah, how powerful an opponent is does play into them being controlled or not.

That's even assuming a genjutsu that has NO RIKUDO CHAKRA would even work, as only Rikudo Chakra can work on Kaguya/Madara. XD

That's even assuming Kaguya won't be able to tell on her own with her Byakugan that she's being controlled with how powerful her eyes are to the point that they could see Indra and Ashura's chakras on Naruto and Sasuke

 

[whiteboy2345]

Rennigan block IT. RenniSharingan > Rennigan. IT > Koto. Koto isn't getting past RenniSharingan.

And the power of an individual does dictate whether they can be controlled. Obito could control Kurama with 3T, something no other Uchiha could do bar Madara, while Sasuke could control all the Bijuus at once with Rennigan. So yeah, how powerful an opponent is does play into them being controlled or not.

That's even assuming a genjutsu that has NO RIKUDO CHAKRA would even work, as only Rikudo Chakra can work on Kaguya/Madara. XD

That's even assuming Kaguya won't be able to tell on her own with her Byakugan that she's being controlled with how powerful her eyes are to the point that they could see Indra and Ashura's chakras on Naruto and Sasuke

So you have yet to pull up a scan...just guessing shit.

Guess I should have expected this from you.

:elmo:

 

[Made in Heaven]

Let's also add that Danzo stole Shisui's eye. And Kaguya >>>>>>> Danzo, so Shisui gets blitzed.

So you have yet to pull up a scan...just guessing shit.

Guess I should have expected this from you.

:elmo:

No Rikudo Chakra means no effect on Kaguya :lol

 

[SZiaee]

IT > Koto

Wrong , IT is Tsukuyomi (Itachi's MS genjutsu) but for infinite number of people .
We already know that Kotoamatsukami is the best genjutsu and instant kill which is why Obito and Kabuto were searching for Shisui's MS so hard ... Shit , Kabuto wasn't interested in Nagato's Rinnegan but the same Kabuto was looking for Shisui's MS . That should tell you how OP is that eye

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Wrong , IT is Tsukuyomi (Itachi's MS genjutsu) but for infinite number of people .
We already know that Kotoamatsukami is the best genjutsu and instant kill which is why Obito and Kabuto were searching for Shisui's MS so hard ... Shit , Kabuto wasn't interested in Nagato's Rinnegan but the same Kabuto was looking for Shisui's MS . That should tell you how OP is that eye

Kaguya casts IT before Shisui could even see her. Goodbye Koto plus there's no proof that it'd even work on her.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Wrong , IT is Tsukuyomi (Itachi's MS genjutsu) but for infinite number of people .
We already know that Kotoamatsukami is the best genjutsu and instant kill which is why Obito and Kabuto were searching for Shisui's MS so hard ... Shit , Kabuto wasn't interested in Nagato's Rinnegan but the same Kabuto was looking for Shisui's MS . That should tell you how OP is that eye

IT and Tsukyomi arent the same just because they have similiar names