Showing just how nerfed Sasuke really was

[whiteboy2345]

Despite experience in fighting the Rinnegan, Naruto almost got decimated by Edo Nagato. It's clear evidence that when a Rinnegan user isn't using corpses to fight, it's almost impossible to win. Sasuke essentially has new summons with his new Rinnegan along with a bunch of other abilities. If he unleashed them all Naruto would be too overwhelmed. He wasted the Rinnegan on the TB

 

[SeveN797]

What im saying is Sasuke showed none of these paths when fighting kaguya or madara then all of a sudden he has these moves when he is about to fight naruto. The bijuu being sealed has nothing to do with naruto using their moves. They were sealed in kaguya and madara before that. And thats another nerf how did the tailed beast chakra go low he barely used them. He used shikaku. Hachibi once. 5 tails twice and son goku twice and the rest once. But it just so happens before his fight with Sasuke the chakra is low? Sounds like naruto was nerfed. Also he didnt use his air palms which could easily damage susanoo. He lost his ability to regenerate tsb. And for some reason he didnt use mass clones like against kaguya and no Sasuke couldn't tell the real one he because he thought for a second kaguya had killed naruto. It was really naruto that was nerfed

That's what I was saying from the start, plot was restricting him from the beginning, actually just like all Rinnegan users besides Nagato. Naruto was rocking with RSM, all bijuu's chakra, TSB's and all Sasuke got was Rinnegan with 1 jutsu which was ameno.

Bijuu being sealed was important as we've seen, otherwise they would replenish Naruto's chakra, Sasuke knew this and that he had to balance things out a bit, so he took them away.

Air Palms could damage lesser versions but not PS, don't give Naruto Kaguya's feats. How did he lost his ability to regenerate tsb ? he never possessed such ability, in fact no one does. The only known example in which an user consciously created a TSB was when Kaguya created that massive one in her own dimension. Madara and Naruto never created new ones to substitute those they lost.

He had no time use mass clones, few seconds after the fight started Sasuke sent him flying out of statue and immediately went for PS, Naruto had to answer with his own avatar, and they both used most of their chakra for double RS and Indra's arrow, so after they blowned up their avatars they both were running low on chakra as we've seen. He made 3 clones after, he could do more but, then he wouldn't have enough chakra for rasengan and couldn't defend himself from chidori. Also there was no point in making more clones, since once in base, base naruto gets stomped against 3t Sasuke in taijutsu. So it was more like Sasuke playing it smart than Naruto being nerfed.

 

[Liquid Snake]

That's what I was saying from the start, plot was restricting him from the beginning, actually just like all Rinnegan users besides Nagato. Naruto was rocking with RSM, all bijuu's chakra, TSB's and all Sasuke got was Rinnegan with 1 jutsu which was ameno.

Bijuu being sealed was important as we've seen, otherwise they would replenish Naruto's chakra, Sasuke knew this and that he had to balance things out a bit, so he took them away.

Air Palms could damage lesser versions but not PS, don't give Naruto Kaguya's feats. How did he lost his ability to regenerate tsb ? he never possessed such ability, in fact no one does. The only known example in which an user consciously created a TSB was when Kaguya created that massive one in her own dimension. Madara and Naruto never created new ones to substitute those they lost.

He had no time use mass clones, few seconds after the fight started Sasuke sent him flying out of statue and immediately went for PS, Naruto had to answer with his own avatar, and they both used most of their chakra for double RS and Indra's arrow, so after they blowned up their avatars they both were running low on chakra as we've seen. He made 3 clones after, he could do more but, then he wouldn't have enough chakra for rasengan and couldn't defend himself from chidori. Also there was no point in making more clones, since once in base, base naruto gets stomped against 3t Sasuke in taijutsu. So it was more like Sasuke playing it smart than Naruto being nerfed.

Naruto used tsb to seal a limbo madara he then had them all when he fought kaguya. You're complaining sasuke only got ameno but naruto has had only rasengan for awhile while Sasuke had enton kirin chidori lightning stream genjutsus and other bullshit moves. You guys want him to have every move in the book and still complain. And wow big feat if Sasuke 3 tomoe wins in taijutsu. Base vs base naruto stomps him. Naruto could have made clones in an instant when Sasuke was talking about naruto not fighting seriously. I dont see where u get the he wouldn't be able to defend himself from chidori part from even if he used clones they can replenish his chakra with NE. Had that asspull of naruto not having tailed beast not happened Sasuke was dead after the indra arrow and rs clash

 

[SeveN797]

Naruto used tsb to seal a limbo madara he then had them all when he fought kaguya. You're complaining sasuke only got ameno but naruto has had only rasengan for awhile while Sasuke had enton kirin chidori lightning stream genjutsus and other bullshit moves. You guys want him to have every move in the book and still complain. And wow big feat if Sasuke 3 tomoe wins in taijutsu. Base vs base naruto stomps him. Naruto could have made clones in an instant when Sasuke was talking about naruto not fighting seriously. I dont see where u get the he wouldn't be able to defend himself from chidori part from even if he used clones they can replenish his chakra with NE. Had that asspull of naruto not having tailed beast not happened Sasuke was dead after the indra arrow and rs clash

Once limbo were gone, his TSB simply returned to him, he didn't make a new one out of nothing. I do have a full rights to complain since the difference is Sasuke worked for it and created his chidori variants by himself, while Naruto got his power ups from Sage, so im not sure why are you comparing it. Yeah early part 2 Naruto had only rasengans, not my fault that after 2 years of training the only thing he learnt was how to make a bigger rasengan, while Sasuke actually developed new jutsus and got stronger.

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Sasuke sharingan was off from here, he activated it only much later, when he was preparing chidori. I don't see naruto stomping him.


By the time Sasuke said that, they were already in avatars, Naruto can't make mass clones of Kurama avatar.


Viz scans says Kurama collected everything from that area, there was no NE left

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so yes if he made more clones, there're still no match for 3T since they're base clones. Sasuke beats all of them, and ends Naruto with chidori.

 

[Liquid Snake]

Once limbo were gone, his TSB simply returned to him, he didn't make a new one out of nothing. I do have a full rights to complain since the difference is Sasuke worked for it and created his chidori variants by himself, while Naruto got his power ups from Sage, so im not sure why are you comparing it. Yeah early part 2 Naruto had only rasengans, not my fault that after 2 years of training the only thing he learnt was how to make a bigger rasengan, while Sasuke actually developed new jutsus and got stronger.

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Sasuke sharingan was off from here, he activated it only much later, when he was preparing chidori. I don't see naruto stomping him.


By the time Sasuke said that, they were already in avatars, Naruto can't make mass clones of Kurama avatar.


Viz scans says Kurama collected everything from that area, there was no NE left

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so yes if he made more clones, there're still no match for 3T since they're base clones. Sasuke beats all of them, and ends Naruto with chidori.

His tsb were in the ground far away so im not sure if they returned to him or not. But no Sasuke didnt just train by himself he was a product of oros experiments and research. He didnt just get that by himself. Also naruto was training his chakra control learning different forms of rasengans. Sasuke did the least work for his power ups. What power up did he actually train for if the sharigan is based off emotions? He was given ems and cm. Him being able to utilize senjutsu was also a product if oros experiments. Naruto trained like hell for his wind release. Trained for SM which could be dangerous if ur not compatible. Had to fight kurama and then befriend him and conqueror hatred to get bm. So stop your fanfic about Sasuke working hard and naruto given power ups kinda makes u look dumb. I dont see why you think naruto cant make mass clones of kuramas avatars. Plz dont say because he didnt show if thats the case why are we talking about what Sasuke couldve done. And NE replenishes like i said naruto could have made one extra clone to amass senjutsu and right before Sasuke used chidori after he stole narutos chakra naruto could go to sm then its over. Also it should have been over when naruto blitzed him with rasengan but somehow tripped. There was nothing Sasuke could do at that point

 

[SeveN797]

His tsb were in the ground far away so im not sure if they returned to him or not. But no Sasuke didnt just train by himself he was a product of oros experiments and research. He didnt just get that by himself. Also naruto was training his chakra control learning different forms of rasengans. Sasuke did the least work for his power ups. What power up did he actually train for if the sharigan is based off emotions? He was given ems and cm. Him being able to utilize senjutsu was also a product if oros experiments. Naruto trained like hell for his wind release. Trained for SM which could be dangerous if ur not compatible. Had to fight kurama and then befriend him and conqueror hatred to get bm. So stop your fanfic about Sasuke working hard and naruto given power ups kinda makes u look dumb. I dont see why you think naruto cant make mass clones of kuramas avatars. Plz dont say because he didnt show if thats the case why are we talking about what Sasuke couldve done. And NE replenishes like i said naruto could have made one extra clone to amass senjutsu and right before Sasuke used chidori after he stole narutos chakra naruto could go to sm then its over. Also it should have been over when naruto blitzed him with rasengan but somehow tripped. There was nothing Sasuke could do at that point

Lmao so now you're discrediting him from his lightining jutsus and giving it all to Oro? All Oro did is gave him CM, Kusanagi and probably trained kenjutsu with him. Kakashi taught him chidori and from that, Sasuke created his variants. Lmao a "product of oros experiments and research" you mean he's from test-tube and all his powers are thanks to oro? and you're telling me im dumb. Naruto's training for wind release equals Sasuke's training after time skip, cuz they were not equal before, more like Naruto was on a vacations back then, as we've seen the results of their trainings when during reunion Sasuke took a big dump on whole team 7.

"Trained for SM which could be dangerous" yeah so dangerous almost as battle to death with Itachi where Sasuke nearly died. He was given EMS just like naruto was given BM when Kurama agreed to help him.

Anyways no idea why are we talking about this, clearly you got rustled from the fact, that Naruto was given more powers from Sage and you had to bring up their old powers ups even if thread is about vote2 fight.

He can't make mass clones of Kurama avatar, because simply keeping avatar active requires a lot of chakra, and by using shadow clones you're dividing your chakra between clones. Naruto don't have enough to chakra divide it between hunders of clones along with keeping Kurama avatar active for them. He could make few kurama avatars and if he wanted to make more shadow clones, they would be without avatar as he doesn't possess enough chakra to give hundred of his clones Kurama avatar.

"And NE replenishes like i said naruto could have made one extra clone to amass senjutsu and right before Sasuke used chidori after he stole narutos chakra naruto could go to sm then its over. "

Not sure what are you talking about, I just explained that Kurama collected all NE that was there, there was no more NE for Naruto to collect and enter SM.

 

[shelke]

Lmao so now you're discrediting him from his lightining jutsus and giving it all to Oro? All Oro did is gave him CM, Kusanagi and probably trained kenjutsu with him. Kakashi taught him chidori and from that, Sasuke created his variants. Lmao a "product of oros experiments and research" you mean he's from test-tube and all his powers are thanks to oro? and you're telling me im dumb. Naruto's training for wind release equals Sasuke's training after time skip, cuz they were not equal before, more like Naruto was on a vacations back then, as we've seen the results of their trainings when during reunion Sasuke took a big dump on whole team 7.

"Trained for SM which could be dangerous" yeah so dangerous almost as battle to death with Itachi where Sasuke nearly died. He was given EMS just like naruto was given BM when Kurama agreed to help him.

Anyways no idea why are we talking about this, clearly you got rustled from the fact, that Naruto was given more powers from Sage and you had to bring up their old powers ups even if thread is about vote2 fight.

He can't make mass clones of Kurama avatar, because simply keeping avatar active requires a lot of chakra, and by using shadow clones you're dividing your chakra between clones. Naruto don't have enough to chakra divide it between hunders of clones along with keeping Kurama avatar active for them. He could make few kurama avatars and if he wanted to make more shadow clones, they would be without avatar as he doesn't possess enough chakra to give hundred of his clones Kurama avatar.

"And NE replenishes like i said naruto could have made one extra clone to amass senjutsu and right before Sasuke used chidori after he stole narutos chakra naruto could go to sm then its over. "

Not sure what are you talking about, I just explained that Kurama collected all NE that was there, there was no more NE for Naruto to collect and enter SM.

Well, you are arguing with LiquitSnake, mate. You are being dumb.

 

[SeveN797]

Well, you are arguing with LiquitSnake, mate. You are being dumb.

I had that feeling while reading his posts, but still I have nothing better to do atm, so i may aswell answer to his nonsense.

 

[Liquid Snake]

Lmao so now you're discrediting him from his lightining jutsus and giving it all to Oro? All Oro did is gave him CM, Kusanagi and probably trained kenjutsu with him. Kakashi taught him chidori and from that, Sasuke created his variants. Lmao a "product of oros experiments and research" you mean he's from test-tube and all his powers are thanks to oro? and you're telling me im dumb. Naruto's training for wind release equals Sasuke's training after time skip, cuz they were not equal before, more like Naruto was on a vacations back then, as we've seen the results of their trainings when during reunion Sasuke took a big dump on whole team 7.

"Trained for SM which could be dangerous" yeah so dangerous almost as battle to death with Itachi where Sasuke nearly died. He was given EMS just like naruto was given BM when Kurama agreed to help him.

Anyways no idea why are we talking about this, clearly you got rustled from the fact, that Naruto was given more powers from Sage and you had to bring up their old powers ups even if thread is about vote2 fight.

He can't make mass clones of Kurama avatar, because simply keeping avatar active requires a lot of chakra, and by using shadow clones you're dividing your chakra between clones. Naruto don't have enough to chakra divide it between hunders of clones along with keeping Kurama avatar active for them. He could make few kurama avatars and if he wanted to make more shadow clones, they would be without avatar as he doesn't possess enough chakra to give hundred of his clones Kurama avatar.

"And NE replenishes like i said naruto could have made one extra clone to amass senjutsu and right before Sasuke used chidori after he stole narutos chakra naruto could go to sm then its over. "

Not sure what are you talking about, I just explained that Kurama collected all NE that was there, there was no more NE for Naruto to collect and enter SM.

battle to the death with a character not trying to kill him? He made that tough on himself because he wasnt strong enough. Learning senjutsu is dangerous it doesn't have a motive of not killing you lol. Sasuke learned alot of his techs from oros expertise. Yea he learned lightning variants but naruto also learned rasengan variants and also how to use wind release with them and also learned how to throw it on his own. Naruto had to befriend kurama and fight multiple bijuu to get his respect thats not technically given. Like Sasuke was given amaretsu itachis genjutsu. And he was given multiple upgrades from dna from different ppl injected into him because oro was planning that body for himself. He is an experiment. Also can u plz tell me what powers naruto got from sage? Besides sage senjutsu? His other abilities came from saving the bijuus and earning their respect. And how doesn't ge possess enough chakra to use hundred of avatars each clone has a piece of kurama in him they can easily do it because its not just his chakra its also kuramas and if he can share his chakra with the whole SA with just bm with rsm his clones should have no trouble. And like i said NE would replenish even if its just a little thats all he needed to easily counter Sasuke since he did it in base anyway. 3 secs in sm ends the battle just dodge and rasengan him gg.

 

[Liquid Snake]

Well, you are arguing with LiquitSnake, mate. You are being dumb.

Who are you? Just sit down and shut up pup

 

[Liquid Snake]

I had that feeling while reading his posts, but still I have nothing better to do atm, so i may aswell answer to his nonsense.

You had a feeling because i won't go along with you hyping up sasuke ? Lol hilarious

 

[shelke]

I had that feeling while reading his posts, but still I have nothing better to do atm, so i may aswell answer to his nonsense.

Running headlong into a brick wall only does one thing: it hurts ones head. Don't say I didn't warn you. :kd:

 

[SeveN797]

battle to the death with a character not trying to kill him? He made that tough on himself because he wasnt strong enough. Learning senjutsu is dangerous it doesn't have a motive of not killing you lol. Sasuke learned alot of his techs from oros expertise. Yea he learned lightning variants but naruto also learned rasengan variants and also how to use wind release with them and also learned how to throw it on his own. Naruto had to befriend kurama and fight multiple bijuu to get his respect thats not technically given. Like Sasuke was given amaretsu itachis genjutsu. And he was given multiple upgrades from dna from different ppl injected into him because oro was planning that body for himself. He is an experiment. Also can u plz tell me what powers naruto got from sage? Besides sage senjutsu? His other abilities came from saving the bijuus and earning their respect. And how doesn't ge possess enough chakra to use hundred of avatars each clone has a piece of kurama in him they can easily do it because its not just his chakra its also kuramas and if he can share his chakra with the whole SA with just bm with rsm his clones should have no trouble. And like i said NE would replenish even if its just a little thats all he needed to easily counter Sasuke since he did it in base anyway. 3 secs in sm ends the battle just dodge and rasengan him gg.

Sasuke wasn't given anything by Itachi. Even after getting EMS, none of Itachi's powers transferred to him. He just get 2nd light in his eyes, but he was using his own MS powers. The multiple upgrades from dna from different ppl hardly did anything. I already said what powers he got from sage in my 1st post.

Im not going refer to your whole post this time, you keep changing subject too much and already drove me away with your 3rd post with the power ups bullshit. Their previous power ups doesn't matter or how did they obtain them, especially that Sasuke didn't have CM or Oro's power during vote2 so why bring them up. My point was, at the end before the vote2 fight, Naruto was given much more different powers than Sasuke, I already explained it in my 1st post.

 

[NarutoWA]

Here is a list of OP abilities that were nerfed and canonically were super effective however Kishi limited sasuke severly to the point the fight ended in a draw.

No Deva Path abilities:

Clearly he is capable of doing Deva path abilities. Why wasn't Deva used during the fight?

Effortlessly CTing 9 Bijuu

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No Kagutsuchi (EMS Right Eye)

How come Sasuke couldn't wrap his Susanoo in Enton flames to use offensively and defensively? It was a clear counter for Naruto's chakra Cloak as he needs to remove it so the entire thing doesn't burn.

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Preta Path was SEVERELY Nerfed. MORE THAN ANY OTHER ABILITY as Sasuke should have absorbed a vast majority of Naruto's chakra based on feats.

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^^ How is it you can absorb 9 bijuu simultaneously but Kishi don't allow him to absorb the jutsu Naruto uses?

Sasuke should have absorbed this attack

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But as I stated before Plot restricted him severly.



Yet with all these restrictions. Him and Naruto still ended up equally hurt


Thoughts?

What did you smoke?

 

[Liquid Snake]

Sasuke wasn't given anything by Itachi. Even after getting EMS, none of Itachi's powers transferred to him. He just get 2nd light in his eyes, but he was using his own MS powers. The multiple upgrades from dna from different ppl hardly did anything. I already said what powers he got from sage in my 1st post.

Im not going refer to your whole post this time, you keep changing subject too much and already drove me away with your 3rd post with the power ups bullshit. Their previous power ups doesn't matter or how did they obtain them, especially that Sasuke didn't have CM or Oro's power during vote2 so why bring them up. My point was, at the end before the vote2 fight, Naruto was given much more different powers than Sasuke, I already explained it in my 1st post.

He was given amaretsu and the genjutsu. If your saying transferring eyes doesn't give you their powers you're lost because kakashi and madara are proof.
Also naruto wasnt given anything from hago besides sage senjutsu. Sasuke was given basically every move he uses with rinnegan. Ameno CT absorbing ninjutsu and dinension travel . so wtf are you talking about he wasnt given anything

 

[SeveN797]

He was given amaretsu and the genjutsu. If your saying transferring eyes doesn't give you their powers you're lost because kakashi and madara are proof.
Also naruto wasnt given anything from hago besides sage senjutsu. Sasuke was given basically every move he uses with rinnegan. Ameno CT absorbing ninjutsu and dinension travel . so wtf are you talking about he wasnt given anything

He used amaterasu and MS genjutsu before getting EMS, with his own MS, what the hell are you talking about?

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Naruto got RSM which increases the user's physical strength, increases speed, grants universal comprehension of all things, grants TSB, sensing ability rises as well, 9 different bijuu's chakra along with their chakra natures, instant knowledge of all his new abilities.

Sasuke got Rinnegan with 4 jutsus in total - Ameno, CT, Preta, Outer path to merge bijuu's chakra to his susanoo. Also he didn't have access and knowledge on them from the start like Naruto, only when the plot allowed him to use it.

 

[Mellanoma]

Naruto is a Pseudo JJ.
RSM>Rinnegan.

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Btw Pseudo means Bogus... just like your claim that RSM is stronger than Rinnengan lol

Madara, Nagato and Kaguya disagrees.... Matter of fact the only Rinnegan user Naruto fought solo was Sasuke and Sasuke didn't even use the Rinnegan due to restrictions. Still tied Naruto

sasuke fan act like that naruto never counter a Rinnegan user

naruto fought every Rinnegan user and beat them too

+he knows every Rinnegan jutsu and knows how to counter them

So what if you know there abilities. Knowing them and stopping them are two separate things

Naruto knew all about Nagato/Pain abilities yet still lost both fights.

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Madara as well

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I can understand you guys taking up for your favorite but to sit here and say

RSM > Rinnegan is just down right stupid.

Unrestricted Rinnegan is simply too strong.

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

Godou damage doesn't erase anything that's bs fan fic. The erasing is done by a jutsu via the dama. Noodles has 0 access to that jutsu.

STFU fool,Naruto has Godoudama as seen against Kaguya...
And saying it doesnt Negates all jutsu and turns everythig to dust is pure stupidity....
get your facts right or get the **** off sausage fapper.

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

He used amaterasu and MS genjutsu before getting EMS, with his own MS, what the hell are you talking about?

Last time im typing this
Naruto got RSM which increases the user's physical strength, increases speed, grants universal comprehension of all things, grants TSB, sensing ability rises as well, 9 different bijuu's chakra along with their chakra natures, instant knowledge of all his new abilities.

Sasuke got Rinnegan with 4 jutsus in total - Ameno, CT, Preta, Outer path to merge bijuu's chakra to his susanoo. Also he didn't have access and knowledge on them from the start like Naruto, only when the plot allowed him to use it.

Lol...Please get your sordid facts right,Yes Naruto used all those aforementioned abilities on Kaguya,and was the only individual almost keeping up with her,with Sasuke not being able to even touch her,Yet during their fight,Naruto couldnt use the Bijuu's mighty chakra,goduodama,understanding of all chakra and whatnot,and all the things you beautifully claimed Naruto used against Sasuke...it seemed like he was only using BM at best against a Rinnegan Sasuke...
Oh,and lets factor in the fact that Sasuke who was almost useless against Kaguya,was almost winning against someone who could hold his own against a God of chakra....
Please read the actuall manga.
oh and lets forget Kishi Obviously nerfed Naruto,so we can wank Sasuke....

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

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Btw Pseudo means Bogus... just like your claim that RSM is stronger than Rinnengan lol

Madara, Nagato and Kaguya disagrees.... Matter of fact the only Rinnegan user Naruto fought solo was Sasuke and Sasuke didn't even use the Rinnegan due to restrictions. Still tied Naruto




So what if you know there abilities. Knowing them and stopping them are two separate things

Naruto knew all about Nagato/Pain abilities yet still lost both fights.

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Madara as well

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I can understand you guys taking up for your favorite but to sit here and say

RSM > Rinnegan is just down right stupid.

Unrestricted Rinnegan is simply too strong.

Wow,i cant believe anyone could be as stupid as you....
you posted Imgaes of Naruto when he hadnt attained RSM,while trying to derail RSM,nice logic fool.

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rememeber while Naruto was busy doing this?
Thats a Rinnegan,2 pairs infact..