Showing just how nerfed Sasuke really was

[Mellanoma]

Maybe sasuke can't use ct when he already has bijuus in ct
Covering susano'o with enton doesn't sound possible
He did absorb Narutos chakra a few times but kurama said that sasuke can't absorb and cast jutsu at the same time

Naruto was nerfed too,he could have used all the bijuus element and Naruto never wanted to kill sasuke

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[Hagoromo sennin]

Unrestricted Sasuke makes Naruto his *****.

Goes both ways,Unrestricted Naruto would do the same.

 

[Belserion]

Naruto solos

 

[whiteboy2345]

He lost,plain and simple....

That's not the point, the point is that with no plot armor or nerfing, Naruto would be at such a disadvantage that his death would be a certainty.

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

That's not the point, the point is that with no plot armor or nerfing, Naruto would be at such a disadvantage that his death would be a certainty.

Goes both Ways,with no plot armor on Sasuke too,Sarada would not have been born.....
We saw what Obito did with just the powers of a Juubi jin alone....

 

[Nick01]

Sasuke wasn't nearly as nerfed as Naruto.

Unrestricted Naruto w/ intent to kill would end the fight much much quicker. He's just too powerful.

At the end of the day Naruto fought to match, not to win nor kill, while Sasuke fought to win and kill.

 

[Dgrayman]

I feel sorry for Sasuke for Losing to Kawaki

kawaki solos

 

[whiteboy2345]

Goes both Ways,with no plot armor on Sasuke too,Sarada would not have been born.....
We saw what Obito did with just the powers of a Juubi jin alone....

Sasuke has more powers to unleash than Naruto and his powers are more deadly.

 

[SumireKakei]

They also nerfed Naruto for not letting him go all out so...

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

Sasuke has more powers to unleash than Naruto and his powers are more deadly.

Oh,seems you left out goududama on purpose.....

 

[salamander uchiha]

What about human path? Nagato pretty much solo'd Naruto with of if not for itachi sama.

 

[Cfighter]

Its not about anyone being Salty or shit like that,its about the fact that anyone at a point is nerfed to suite the plot...
During the VOTE,Sasuke had to remove the Bijuu's outa the equation,because he knew Naruto would defeat him...and wiith all his abilities and power,and the advantages of the Tailed beast,he drew with a Naruto that Had only HALF kurama,and Even then,Naruto wasnt serious,as Highlighted by Sasuke himself...lets Keep in mind that this was a Naruto who went toe to toe withe mantriach of Chakra and was one of the only people successful in severely wounding her....
damn!..
so anyone can be nerfed,and if examples are being made in the future,please lets consider both side.

Well yeah, that is price that you pay for when you, 1) create a Shonen manga in which the focus is placed on bigger stakes rather than dynamic characters, and 2) fail to create a plot outline, or at bare minimum have an idea where the story is headed before you put ink to paper.

Don't get me wrong, I have eternal respect for Kishimoto and I will always cherish and love Naruto despite its many flaws. When Kishimoto started this crazy party 2 decades ago with his original manga pilot, he very obviously had a different manga in mind before he eventually chiseled out the Naruto we all know today. It's also practically common knowledge that if it weren't for his editors in the beginning, we wouldn't have characters like Sasuke or Sakura—say what you want about that, but I take that as confirmation that Kishimoto either had absolutely no plan for the manga to begin with or again, had something different in mind before he worked out what he have today through editorial feedback. Part 1 is so fundamentally underrated by people, which is a shame because that's where the series highest points are and if Kishimoto essentially pulled each arc out of his ass as he went/received feedback during Part 1 then I truly do commend him for his phenomenal work.

However by the time Kishimoto started Part 2, the training wheels needed to come off. By then he had (ball-parking) 200~ chapters under his belt, built a solid foundation for where the main plot needed to go as well as set the stage for other plotlines as well. I can believe that Kishimoto planned ahead a basic story outline from Part 2's start all the way up to Naruto and Sasuke's reunion at Orochimaru's hideout... maybe he had something for Hidan and Kakuzu as well but I don't know if I'd believe even that. But planning out Jiraya vs Pain and the intricacies of their background? Tobi? The first major plot twist in the series where Itachi was actually a good guy? Naruto vs Pain? Nah, I really just don't believe he had those planned out until he needed to start planning them out. It becomes apparent that there was a severe lack of planning more and more as the series goes on beyond the Pain invasion arc leading up to the granddaddy of all that is legendary, while at the same time horribly disappointing, the War arc and conclusion.

I'm not saying a mangeka needs to have their entire story mapped out prior to Chapter 1, but there is a moment in all long-running manga where it becomes clear how much homework the mangeka did in advance and how that prep work (or lack thereof) will affect the manga going forward. They are at the end of the day story tellers, and as such have a responsibility to their audiences not to BS it as they go along. In my opinion, that "moment" in Naruto was Chapter 490—when Kabuto summons the 6th casket with a mystery character within. Now first, those were the REAL days of Naruto base because that's when we'd get super creative and interesting theories and discussions on these mysteries of Naruto... BUT if you look back at that chapter with what we know now, it makes absolutely no sense in any manor. How did Kabuto find Madara's body if it's safe keeping was (presumably) left to Obito and Zetsu? What was Obito freaking out about? Since Madara was able to break free of Edo Tensei later on, Obito should have some idea that Madara is just that gud and should have been thanking Kabuto for making his job INFINITELY easier. It was a great setup/mystery, but I just don't think even Kishimoto knew what was in it until he could come up with something convenient and the same was likely true for Tobi's identity for a long time as well.

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

What about human path? Nagato pretty much solo'd Naruto with of if not for itachi sama.

What about Goudodama,That shit almost soloed the four re-animated Hokage's combined...
and Naruto is in possession of it...
a moveset that erases any Jutsu...
yet against their fight,he never used it,atleast to its full potential.

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

Well yeah, that is price that you pay for when you, 1) create a Shonen manga in which the focus is placed on bigger stakes rather than dynamic characters, and 2) fail to create a plot outline, or at bare minimum have an idea where the story is headed before you put ink to paper.

Don't get me wrong, I have eternal respect for Kishimoto and I will always cherish and love Naruto despite its many flaws. When Kishimoto started this crazy party 2 decades ago with his original manga pilot, he very obviously had a different manga in mind before he eventually chiseled out the Naruto we all know today. It's also practically common knowledge that if it weren't for his editors in the beginning, we wouldn't have characters like Sasuke or Sakura—say what you want about that, but I take that as confirmation that Kishimoto either had absolutely no plan for the manga to begin with or again, had something different in mind before he worked out what he have today through editorial feedback. Part 1 is so fundamentally underrated by people, which is a shame because that's where the series highest points are and if Kishimoto essentially pulled each arc out of his ass as he went/received feedback during Part 1 then I truly do commend him for his phenomenal work.

However by the time Kishimoto started Part 2, the training wheels needed to come off. By then he had (ball-parking) 200~ chapters under his belt, built a solid foundation for where the main plot needed to go as well as set the stage for other plotlines as well. I can believe that Kishimoto planned ahead a basic story outline from Part 2's start all the way up to Naruto and Sasuke's reunion at Orochimaru's hideout... maybe he had something for Hidan and Kakuzu as well but I don't know if I'd believe even that. But planning out Jiraya vs Pain and the intricacies of their background? Tobi? The first major plot twist in the series where Itachi was actually a good guy? Naruto vs Pain? Nah, I really just don't believe he had those planned out until he needed to start planning them out. It becomes apparent that there was a severe lack of planning more and more as the series goes on beyond the Pain invasion arc leading up to the granddaddy of all that is legendary, while at the same time horribly disappointing, the War arc and conclusion.

I'm not saying a mangeka needs to have their entire story mapped out prior to Chapter 1, but there is a moment in all long-running manga where it becomes clear how much homework the mangeka did in advance and how that prep work (or lack thereof) will affect the manga going forward. They are at the end of the day story tellers, and as such have a responsibility to their audiences not to BS it as they go along. In my opinion, that "moment" in Naruto was Chapter 490—when Kabuto summons the 6th casket with a mystery character within. Now first, those were the REAL days of Naruto base because that's when we'd get super creative and interesting theories and discussions on these mysteries of Naruto... BUT if you look back at that chapter with what we know now, it makes absolutely no sense in any manor. How did Kabuto find Madara's body if it's safe keeping was (presumably) left to Obito and Zetsu? What was Obito freaking out about? Since Madara was able to break free of Edo Tensei later on, Obito should have some idea that Madara is just that gud and should have been thanking Kabuto for making his job INFINITELY easier. It was a great setup/mystery, but I just don't think even Kishimoto knew what was in it until he could come up with something convenient and the same was likely true for Tobi's identity for a long time as well.

Bro,if you looked at the plot well enough,you'd see Kishi was just making shit up as it goes...
Juubi,
Mangeykou sharingan,
space Aliens,
Kaguya,
when did a Ninjacartoon turn into Nova series....

 

[Warlocks]

naruto was restricted from using others 8 biju ability

+ naruto was restricted from using TSB and yin--yang release which can nullify anything

+naruto was heavily exhausted

+0.5 kurama also was heavily exhausted

+naruto chakra arms was able to keep up with kaguya chakra arms

+kaguya was able 1 shot PS with chakra arm but same attack didn't even scratch naruto

+naruto chakra arm arms was = to kaguya chakra arms in durability and strength

+he was even able to overpower her chakra arms

+he didn't even use 9 super frs which even kaguya was unable to absorb

naruto was able keep-up with kaguya while sasuke was nothing but a fodder to kaguya make things worse sasuke wasn't even able to touch her smh.............

 

[Cfighter]

Bro,if you looked at the plot well enough,you'd see Kishi was just making shit up as it goes...
Juubi,
Mangeykou sharingan,
space Aliens,
Kaguya,
when did a Ninjacartoon turn into Nova series....

I know, that's what I was saying XD I suppose I did write more than I thought, so I don't blame you if you didn't read it all lmao. The bulk of it was that my opinion is as soon as Kishi had Kabuto summon that sixth coffin I think he started bullshitting his way through lol

 

[lndra]

I love these threads

 

[Disaster]

Let's just say he was nerfed for the better and get over it already.

 

[shelke]

Literally every character that possessed the Rinnegan was nerfed. The eye is just too damn broken for even this series to handle it.

Basically, this. Rinnegan is a broken eye. It has a counter and a bat from hell offense to every tech anyone can throw at it. At full capacity or without any Deux Ex machina involved, any Rinnegan user would win against his opponent. It's just a fact.

 

[whiteboy2345]

naruto was restricted from using others 8 biju ability

+ naruto was restricted from using TSB and yin--yang release which can nullify anything

+naruto was heavily exhausted

+0.5 kurama also was heavily exhausted

+naruto chakra arms was able to keep up with kaguya chakra arms

+kaguya was able 1 shot PS with chakra arm but same attack didn't even scratch naruto

+naruto chakra arm arms was = to kaguya chakra arms in durability and strength

+he was even able to overpower her chakra arms

+he didn't even use 9 super frs which even kaguya was unable to absorb

naruto was able keep-up with kaguya while sasuke was nothing but a fodder to kaguya make things worse sasuke wasn't even able to touch her smh.............

It's funny that so many of those abilities rely on who? Oh, Kurama, not Naruto.